Why Most Guru's Are A Joke

15 years ago

He says he knows guys making 100k a day online. That's 36.5 million a year. I kinda don't believe him. If he ran in those kind of circles he could surely afford something besides the default Wordpress theme.

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seasoned

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

He says he knows guys making 100k a day online. That's 36.5 million a year. I kinda don't believe him. If he ran in those kind of circles he could surely afford something besides the default Wordpress theme.

HECK, Warren buffet could be riding an old beatup truck, and LEGITIMATELY have a bumper sticker saying "My other vehicle is an Embraer Phenom 300"! After all, he is CEO of berkshire hathway, and they own netjets which owns Phenom 300s!

And YEAH, I doubt him too, but the fact that he didn't pay a million for that one site, etc... doesn't mean anything.

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Dennis Gaskill

15 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

HECK, Warren buffet could be riding an old beatup truck, and LEGITIMATELY have a bumper sticker saying "My other vehicle is an Embraer Phenom 300"! After all, he is CEO of berkshire hathway, and they own netjets which owns Phenom 300s!

And YEAH, I doubt him too, but the fact that he didn't pay a million for that one site, etc... doesn't mean anything.

Steve, the "theme" part was kind of tongue in cheek, that's why there was a wink after it.

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rohnsmith

15 years ago

yes I have also seen people saying that they have made X amount of money in just few days and the X they displays is very high. so it is hard to believe in these kind of content or website with one page only ....

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Zentech

15 years ago

Most gurus are world-class experts in one thing: getting you to buy things intended to make you just like them. This is where they make the big money.

Now, is it possible to use what they sell to actually become one of them? Yeah, probably in a FEW exceptional cases. Is it likely YOU will be one of those cases?

NO.

Millions of dollars could be saved if people realized this. But many don't WANT to realize it, because that would be unpleasant, so the gurus can always count on big income streams.

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seasoned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Zentech

Most gurus are world-class experts in one thing: getting you to buy things intended to make you just like them. This is where they make the big money.

Actually, it is EASY to sell garbage as they do! The secret of a good sales person?

NON TECHNICAL

1. Get a REALLY good and useful product!
2. LOVE IT!
3. In an as succinct and enjoyable a way as possible, overwhelm the prospect with benefits.
4. Offer a reasonable price, preferably 3 prices.

TECHNICAL

1. Get a REALLY good and useful product!
2. LOVE IT!
3. In an as succinct and enjoyable a way as possible, overwhelm the prospect with statistics and specs.
4. Offer a reasonable price, preferably 3 prices.

So how do many "GURUS" generally do it?

1. Get a product!
2. In an as wordy and tiring a way as possible, overwhelm the prospect with statistics, specs, and benefits. Promise even slightly potential things as benefits, like "And SHAVING will improve your sexlife!". BTW sex and money are two BIG sellers! Don't worry if they aren't true. In fact, you can even advertise SUPPLEMENT features as features of the main product.
3. Don't forget LOTS of prompts to buy, in case they are tired of watching/reading.
4. Make BOLD promises
5. Offer BONUSes to cover your bases. Don't worry if the bonuses have NOTHING to do with the product!
6. Offer a price that may be rather low. In fact, you can remove things from the base product, and include them in a supplement that people must buy AFTER they buy the base product!
7. If they don't order at that price, knock it down.
8. Try to somehow provide a back end service that you can charge for.
9. BTW always treat it like gold! Say it is limited supply or at least offered for a limited time, etc....

You may have heard the statement "HE's a great salesman, he could sell ICE to an eskimo"? Well, that is #3. The eskimo may even have bought simply to get rid of the salesperson. And the salesperson probably sold them a refrigerator to keep the ice cold!

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jwhitebiz

15 years ago

This is my site. Those numbers are real. There are guys that make $100,000/day as affiliates. There is a media buyer that may become a guru kind of now like me to cleanse the industry a bit as well that nets $3 million a month. He's done as much as $500k in one day NET with a CPA based Yahoo buy.

There are owners of offers that do 3000 sales/day and that's just on the front end.

Sorry, if I came off a bit pissed, but I plan to give out some actual GOOD info.

The reason I have no theme up yet is because I'm not here to impress really. I'll get one up, if you noticed I just set the blog up....and I know who made this post, and they should have waited because I was waiting to get more content up.

Talking about Warren Buffet makes great sense...

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Kay King

15 years ago

There are guys that make $100,000/day as affiliates.

Name one.

One single online affiliate who makes $365,000,000 per year. A great launch might earn a million in a day. Point is - when you throw out the "guys that make $100,000/day" you need to tell how many days that has happened, don't ya?

If someone believes as an affiliate they can earn 100k a day - I'd say the joke is on them.

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jwhitebiz

15 years ago

You've got it all wrong...they don't do launches, these guys are actual marketers that sell products as affiliates or product owners. The top CPA networks are $100 million plus companies. Most of their revs come from the top 10 guys. I've sent 1000's of sales/day consistently, and I'm not even the top of the top. Also, some of these guys have direct affiliate deals with fortune 500 companies that dump money. Keep in mind, most of them are guys with a 5-30 person team.

I can tell you one product owner that is killing it right now, is Anthony Morrison. He does 1k-3k front end sales and upsells to a $4k course on the backend. Do the math.

Your math is wrong $365 million per year is $1 million/day. Believe me or not, I'm just trying to help out the industry. I haven't said anything thats false. My relationships with them are much more valuable than me posting for naysayers.

Originally Posted by Kay King

Name one.

One single online affiliate who makes $365,000,000 per year. A great launch might earn a million in a day. Point is - when you throw out the "guys that make $100,000/day" you need to tell how many days that has happened, don't ya?

If someone believes as an affiliate they can earn 100k a day - I'd say the joke is on them.

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seasoned

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Name one.

One single online affiliate who makes $365,000,000 per year. A great launch might earn a million in a day. Point is - when you throw out the "guys that make $100,000/day" you need to tell how many days that has happened, don't ya?

If someone believes as an affiliate they can earn 100k a day - I'd say the joke is on them.

Lets see, at about $100 per, it would take about 3,000,000 customers a year to buy, assuing it is non consumable Probably close to 20% of the US CAN'T buy for one reason or another, due to language problems, extreme poverty, not being able to use a computer, etc... So you figure that, if it were only in the US, about 1 in 80 would be a customer.

3 million IS a LOT of customers. When I looked at customer lists, which hasn't beenn often, I don't think I've even seen ones that had 9 million customers, and those were HUGE international companies. Admittedly, they sell BIG ticket items though. State Farm claims 40 million customers, more than geico and allstate(?) combined!

But WHO KNOWS, maybe they are those stupid REVERSE SPAMMERS, as I call them. They pollute the web with a lot of traps that, to the search engines, look like authoritative sites and, to the user, look like search engines. Their SOLE goal is to trick a visitor into using them so they can trick google, or similar, to pay them. SERIOUSLY, the IDEA was that you have an authorititative site, and use their engine to provide additional links to help out. It was NOT to use the search engines to go to you, and have you keep them there. SOME even open up other windows in case the user closes the first. They often buy up a lot of expired domain names. Last I checked, $100 was about the maximum on that, but I could see a person using it several times for one search.

Still, about that spamming, more people makes it WORSE, If I were google, I wouldd do what I did with a similar routine, and that is filter out all with a given fingerprint. That way, instead of filtering out ONE page, you may filter MILLIONS!

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jwhitebiz

15 years ago

No, that is one thing that I think this forum is stuck on is SEO, which is slow and takes a while. I'm talking about guys spending $100k's/day on media buys, every ppv, ppc adsource out there. You can spend $100k/day on Google alone easy in just ppc, not even their doubleclick side. A lot of the big exchanges take $10k deposits just to get an account. The other side is direct marketing style emailing.

Maybe this is why its so unbelievable to people on a forum like this because people have been chasing the wind and lies of these gurus.

You should check out Mike Hill, he's a big media buyer, has an agency, and is also coming out of the wood work to help cleanse the industry.

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John Atkins

15 years ago

He ruined the article when he said he knows affiliates who make
$100,000 daily from affiliate marking.

No affiliate makes that much. Very few people make that
much money online and they certainly don't make all that
money from affiliate marketing.

Don't get me wrong, you can get rich with affiliate
marketing but $100,000 daily is way too exaggerated.

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jwhitebiz

15 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

He ruined the article when he said he knows affiliates who make
$100,000 daily from affiliate marking.

No affiliate makes that much. Very few people make that
much money online and they certainly don't make that
money from affiliate marketing.

Don't get me wrong, you can get rich with affiliate
marketing but $100,000 daily is way too exaggerated.

Ever heard of Zynga with facebook apps...they do incentivized offers in exchange for virtual cash and are worth $300 million or something now...its just clever affiliate marketing.

You can believe what you want, its like some of you WANT to believe lies. You are right though...there is a small handful that makes a lot and they keep very quiet. I don't know why you all are so stuck on this $100k/day thing.

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John Atkins

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jwhitebiz

Ever heard of Zynga with facebook apps...they do incentivized offers in exchange for virtual cash and are worth $300 million or something now...its just clever affiliate marketing.

You can believe what you want, its like some of you WANT to believe lies. You are right though...there is a small handful that makes a lot and they keep very quiet. I don't know why you all are so stuck on this $100k/day thing.

That's the company that owns farmville and some other famous
games on facebook is it not?

That's a different story, I thought you were talking about ordinary
affiliates who use paid advertising and other means and promote
affiliate products directly to make a living.

You're talking about a company here that produces their
own products (games) and monetizes them with CPA. So
essentially they're making that money because of their own
products.

Hope you understand what I'm trying to say here.

Still though, I doubt that the owner of Zynga ends up with that
much money in his hands either. Don't forget the expenses,
salaries, tax etc...

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jwhitebiz

15 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

That's the company that owns farmville and some other famous
games on facebook is it not?

That's a different story, I thought you were talking about ordinary
affiliates who use paid advertising and other means and promote
affiliate products directly to make a living.

You're talking about a company here that produces their
own products (games) and monetizes them with CPA. So
essentially they're making that money because of their own
products.

Hope you understand what I'm trying to say here.

Still though, I doubt that the owner of Zynga ends up with that
much money in his hands either. Don't forget the expenses,
salaries, tax etc...

Cheers.

There is no difference. Whether you create a game, a blog, a free guide to get an email list, the monetization method is the same. Traffic comes from anywhere, affiliate marketing is simply a method of monetization of traffic. If it converts, who cares that they had to build a game to get it, its genius.

Here's another example:

A $2 million dollar cpa buy with yahoo. This guy had a $60 per sale product in health and beauty. He gave yahoo $45 of the sale and kept $15. Do the math, that's $500k guaranteed money in his pocket because he only "pays" if there is a conversion. And yes you can spend that much on yahoo easy. The homepage alone can cost $300k/day. Set up multiple buys like that.

Speaking of the home page...ever seen Force Factor there? Is it an affiliate, or the offer owner, I don't know, but I know they are converting and making massive money if they are up there for more than 10 minutes. Hence, why they have all the athlete endorsements now.

Just because you don't know of something doesn't mean its impossible.

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CDarklock

15 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

No affiliate makes that much. Very few people make that much money online and they certainly don't make all that money from affiliate marketing.

A lot of people get confused between "making $100k IN a day" and "making $100k EVERY day."

If you make $100k every day, you make $36.5 million a year.

But if you make $100k in a day two or three times each year, you don't exactly worry about your bills and expenses.

And there's also the question of whether this is gross or net.

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CrhisD 15 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

But if you make $100k in a day two or three times each year, you don't exactly worry about your bills and expenses.

I guess that would depend on your bills and expenses.
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  Originally Posted by CrhisD
  
  I guess that would depend on your bills and expenses.
  
  Yeah, ESPECIALLY if there are BIG media buys or HIGH affiliate payouts.
  
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seasoned

15 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

A lot of people get confused between "making $100k IN a day" and "making $100k EVERY day."

If you make $100k every day, you make $36.5 million a year.

But if you make $100k in a day two or three times each year, you don't exactly worry about your bills and expenses.

And there's also the question of whether this is gross or net.

I think their "confus"ion is INTENTIONAL! Making a large sum ONE day is really not that big of a big deal. HECK, launches often do that. It is like people saving up to buy a car or something for cash. ANYWAY:

"I know some guys that make $30k, $50k, even $100k/day"

$100K/day means $100K EVERY day. That "IN A" makes a BIG differemce!

Steve

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Paul Myers

15 years ago

Ummm... folks?

It is entirely possible to make huge money with media buys. Don't kid yourself that it's not. That's not how everyone wants to do business, but it can be done, and it can be done legitimately.

There's a lot more to this business than you usually see on public forums.

Paul

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seasoned

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Ummm... folks?

It is entirely possible to make huge money with media buys. Don't kid yourself that it's not. That's not how everyone wants to do business, but it can be done, and it can be done legitimately.

There's a lot more to this business than you usually see on public forums.

Paul

With things like "huge media buys" it is CERTAINLY possible. HECK, One show that some here might balk at, and I won't mention the name because it could get me banned, practically only MENTIONED a T-shirt a girl was thinking about selling. She sold it to friends, etc... because THEY liked it. Her servers crashed from all the orders. A brief mention, and that happened. And I don't think it cost her ANYTHING to advertise, the host merely liked the shirt that he happened to hear about, and had her over.

But the implication HERE was that it wasn't THAT sort of thing. Besides, are YOU really advertising? That girl had a T-shirt that fit a demographic that a VERY popular show targeted, and I wouldn't be a BIT surprised if 80% of the viewers considered buiying it. The shirt and demographic matched perfectly. Most people that would hate the shirt wouldn't even TOUCH the channel, let alone the program.

And the more people that jump onto a site, etc... the more diluted it can get. THAT is why people pay for those ads, as opposed to merely being listed on the engines, and want to be at the top of the search engines.

AND, things DID calm down. She continued to make sales, but it wasn't like every day would have crashed her server. Also, it wasn't like her shirt cost a lot. I wish I kept all the details, so I could try to check out how much she made. That was YEARS ago. I mentioned that server crash HERE when people were saying that servers don't crash from too many hits. Even then though, I didn't mention details. As I implied, it would at the very least likely have ended up getting the thread deleted.

Dennis,

sorry. 8-(

Steve

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rashamba

15 years ago

Ok jwhite, I'll bite. What exactly do you want to accomplish here? I am not disbelieving revenue claims, I just don't understand what your point is. You come here basically bashing the so-called gurus, but it sounds to me like you are trying to establish yourself in that niche.
For those of us who have been around a while and do make a little money, we can smell bull pretty readily. So, save us all the banter and tell us what you want? If you have some great advice then let's see it. We are all big boys and girls here and will decide for ourselves.
Otherwise this is all pointless. TY and Happy New Year!

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Paul Myers

15 years ago

You come here basically bashing the so-called gurus, but it sounds to me like you are trying to establish yourself in that niche.

That's the usual routine. Bash the "gurus" to become recognized as a "guru." There's a phrase for it that was popular among some of the old Usenet moderators: Gunslinger syndrome.

Another part of the attraction of this approach among certain groups is the idea that profit is a measure of one's personal worth as a human being. I leave the question of the validity of that notion as an exercise for the reader.

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seasoned

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

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Another part of the attraction of this approach among certain groups is the idea that profit is a measure of one's personal worth as a human being. I leave the question of the validity of that notion as an exercise for the reader.

Paul

I have known, and known of, some WORTHLESS VERMIN that have made LOTS of "profit". BUT to dispell all doubt, and keep most from having to go to pages, etc.... I only have to say FOUR syllables!

MADOFF
ENRON

So YEAH, personal "worth" means NOTHING! I have also known some poor people that I might even call upper class(because they were nice, generous, and acted appropriately, etc...), though using income or "net worth" as an indicator would rank them as lowerclass.

Steve

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Kay King

15 years ago

LOL - That's why I write instead of doing math

I have a problem with 0's this week for some reason.

I realize there's a lot of money for some folks in media buys and when they are selling for high end companies. My response was to this:

There are guys that make $100,000/day as affiliates.

When you add the other information - CPA, 15-30 person work force, etc - I think of that as more than "an affiliate".

I don't give any thought to gurus or $100k a day people - never been a goal. I do have loads of respect for a few excellent marketers who are also darn good people.

At $100k a day I could write a best seller - "8 hours a month to financial freedom". Hell - I might even just work a half day and be lazy

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jwhitebiz

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

LOL - That's why I write instead of doing math

I have a problem with 0's this week for some reason.

I realize there's a lot of money for some folks in media buys and when they are selling for high end companies. My response was to this:

When you add the other information - CPA, 15-30 person work force, etc - I think of that as more than "an affiliate".

I don't give any thought to gurus or $100k a day people - never been a goal. I do have loads of respect for a few excellent marketers who are also darn good people.

At $100k a day I could write a best seller - "8 hours a month to financial freedom". Hell - I might even just work a half day and be lazy

Well, thats fine, but these guys started out as normal affiliates, they just had to hire or outsource at some point. Some people are lifestyle entrepreneurs, that just don't want a job, some people want more, and either is ok. Most of the bigger guys don't talk because they don't want to or need to sell any information. That's their choice. I'm just making a point. If you want to find out if someone is a real guru, see how well they sell things other than themselves (ie, once again Mike Hill, uber legit).

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jwhitebiz

15 years ago

Originally Posted by rashamba

Ok jwhite, I'll bite. What exactly do you want to accomplish here? I am not disbelieving revenue claims, I just don't understand what your point is. You come here basically bashing the so-called gurus, but it sounds to me like you are trying to establish yourself in that niche.
For those of us who have been around a while and do make a little money, we can smell bull pretty readily. So, save us all the banter and tell us what you want? If you have some great advice then let's see it. We are all big boys and girls here and will decide for ourselves.
Otherwise this is all pointless. TY and Happy New Year!

Well, I did not actually come on here bashing guru's, I'm responding to a thread about my blog. If you read my blog, I want to cleanse the industry. People in the real business world, do not like us. They think we are scammers, fast money, not actually talented high fee idiots. So, this guru thing causes a problem because they've gone looking for IM info for their businesses, and buy some guru's horrible tactic of the month product.

The other part is just giving back. I used to work in restaurants just 3 years ago. Now, I want to help others like me. I used to be the guy sifting through the garbage.

I posted a thread, ask me anything in the next 30 minutes and got few replies. I came back to answer people that had replied after I went to lunch, and the new thread got deleted! I was giving out info there.

Since you seem to actually be open to growth. Ask me anything? What is something you would like to scale, improve, expand, know about your business, and I'll help you. If you don't want to post publicly, pm me.

I think the problem is I'm not fake, and people are so used to fake.

If I really felt a need to prove things, I could give you names of the CEO's of the affiliate networks that I know, my reps, that could verify at least my numbers and industry numbers. But I have no reason to do that if everyone thinks they know everything here.

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RealExpert

15 years ago

May I suggest something? Did you notice the different IM or Aff. marketing forum members are willing to believe certain things? For example, WF will not have a problem with this post but WF does

By the way, there's no need to unsubscribe if you weren't using your private emails? Were you? In the age of throw away emails, use one of those to listen to gurus or whatever you want to call them and only after you are convinced that it will be useful for you to continue being on someone's list, subscribe using your primary email.

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darkmaster

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jdwfg4

Haha, this is hilarious:

Why Most Guru's Are A Complete Joke, And How To Unsubcribe From Those Lists | Internet Marketing Moron

Indeed it is, why they just don't think twice before posting such crap, they think people would believe them, silly...

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jwhitebiz

15 years ago

I'm not going to argue anymore. You can close your mind off to the fact that there is way more money out there than you ever thought. In a multibillion dollar industry (Google..one ad source is a near 200 billion dollar company), $36 million is small.

All I can say is I hope you guys have your diet ads up everywhere, its Jan 1. You could make enough promoting diet in Jan to not have to work the rest of the year...even the first week of Jan for some of you.

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seasoned

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jwhitebiz

I'm not going to argue anymore. You can close your mind off to the fact that there is way more money out there than you ever thought. In a multibillion dollar industry (Google..one ad source is a near 200 billion dollar company), $36 million is small.

All I can say is I hope you guys have your diet ads up everywhere, its Jan 1. You could make enough promoting diet in Jan to not have to work the rest of the year...even the first week of Jan for some of you.

That's a pretty stupid post. First of all, Google started out as FREE! Suddenly, it had BILLIONS! WHY? Was it ads? Was it because they sold stuff? Well, WAS IT? *******NOPE*******! They had A STOCK OFFERING at a time when people bought ANYTHING that was INTERNET!

And is google JUST in advertising now? NOPE!

So to say it is a 200 billion dollar company here, implying that THAT is how they made their money is just DUMB! BTW where are CMGI and store runner? CMGI used to own the website that was nipping at Google's heels, as Google had earlier nipped at its heels. At least IT, altavista, is still around. Store Runner was a site allowing one to buy things from a lot of stores. Store Runner is an especially sad point for me. My contract there was for 4 days. At the end, I had to go to informatique 2000. The Keynote speaker? The CEO of store runner.

ALSO, Google was about the 4th MAJOR player in search engines, and one of about 3 still in business. And advertising is REAL low level. Almost everyone does it sooner or later. Providing something that promises income, or to make getting income easier, is probably the next level. Then SEX. Then *****NEEDED****** stuff. Then Desired. Then things that people are encouraged to buy.

Unless you are talking about selling something on that last tier, I think your blog is misleading at best. SHEEESH, I remember when everyone used to have the word SEX in the keywords tag, to try to attract people looking for sex. LATER, they tried income methods. BTW Most of the spam I have gotten covers those two areas.

I mean look at WB's deals! YES he made a lot of money, but those companies COST a lot of money! And I'm sure ANYONE with those companies could do as well.

BTW I always knew how he got the money. It isn't really a secret, though many sideswipe that idea to make him seem like an "Oracle". Oracle Of Omaha Definition What I DIDN'T know, until recently, because I got some inside info, was how the cost was LOWERED! Some of those companies were purchased for far less than they were worth. That ALSO explains why he has said some of the things regarding investing that he said publicly. There may be an ulterior motive!

If I said that publicly, most of the people here might be SHOCKED! I just checked, SOME are AGAINST the item that helped WB. WB fully SUPPORTS it!

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jwhitebiz

15 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

That's a pretty stupid post. First of all, Google started out as FREE! Suddenly, it had BILLIONS! WHY? Was it ads? Was it because they sold stuff? Well, WAS IT? *******NOPE*******! They had A STOCK OFFERING at a time when people bought ANYTHING that was INTERNET!...

Most of Google's rev is from advertising....they are an ad network primarily..the point is how much you can spend there!

You can call my stupid while I hopefully make another ~$30k on GOOG in profits tomorrow like I did Jan 2 last year, the biggest diet day of the year...This has become near talking to a brick wall. Did anyone here actually read the posts on the blog? I'm sorry it was posted early. I'm here to help those who want help, I'm not here to prove to skeptics.

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RealExpert

15 years ago

I have no doubt that media buys work. I'm all ears and would love to hear what you have to say. The major issue I see with media buys is that for the little guy, it's somewhat difficult as it does require upfront cash and LOTS of it when we are talking front page of Yahoo etc.

Would you share where one could look for general media buy prices on most popular web properties?

Your personal experiences or observations are most welcome.

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Originally Posted by jwhitebiz

Most of Google's rev is from advertising....they are an ad network primarily..the point is how much you can spend there!

You can call my stupid while I hopefully make another ~$30k on GOOG in profits tomorrow like I did Jan 2 last year, the biggest diet day of the year...This has become near talking to a brick wall. Did anyone here actually read the posts on the blog? I'm sorry it was posted early. I'm here to help those who want help, I'm not here to prove to skeptics.

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jwhitebiz

15 years ago

Originally Posted by RealExpert

I have no doubt that media buys work. I'm all ears and would love to hear what you have to say. The major issue I see with media buys is that for the little guy, it's somewhat difficult as it does require upfront cash and LOTS of it when we are talking front page of Yahoo etc.

Would you share where one could look for general media buy prices on most popular web properties?

Your personal experiences or observations are most welcome.

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BuySellAds.com is a cheap easy way to start/learn. Most of the buys are like $300 for a month. Pick sites with your demographics, sell something related. Media buys are more about demographics and product relation (something that converts for the demographic), and getting a high ctr and high converting adcopy. So, make about 5 banners and split test them. I'd suggest for the sites on buy sell, simple submits, games, mobile offers, and not many per sale offers.

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RealExpert

15 years ago

So how do you build a list using media buys? I assume from the kind of offers you mentioned here, they are direct to merchant's offer page?

Is media buys a long term business model? Lot of testing, then scaling the winners and ride the wave while you can, is that basically the business model.

There are some "secrets", like you mentioned earlier, weight loss, getting a soul mate this year doing well at the start of the year (common sense, new year resolutions), Care you share some of those secrets? What times of the year what type of offers are doing well?

Originally Posted by jwhitebiz

BuySellAds.com is a cheap easy way to start/learn. Most of the buys are like $300 for a month. Pick sites with your demographics, sell something related. Media buys are more about demographics and product relation (something that converts for the demographic), and getting a high ctr and high converting adcopy. So, make about 5 banners and split test them. I'd suggest for the sites on buy sell, simple submits, games, mobile offers, and not many per sale offers.

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TimPhelan

15 years ago

Steve, what are you talking about? Adwords was established in 2000. Google's revenue in 2000 was at $19 million. In 2001 $86 million. In 2002 it was $439 million. In 2003 it was $1.4 billion. In 2004 it was $3.1 billion! This was the year the company went public. So you are completely wrong in saying "*******NOPE*******".

The company didn't just suddenly have $ billions because of the IPO. The IPO was successful because they were already making $ billions in revenue.

Plus, Google still currently makes about 99% of it's income from advertising. Advertising is exactly how this company has made it's money. Wow, and you are saying what JWhite wrote was stupid and DUMB. LOL. Too funny.

Originally Posted by seasoned

That's a pretty stupid post. First of all, Google started out as FREE! Suddenly, it had BILLIONS! WHY? Was it ads? Was it because they sold stuff? Well, WAS IT? *******NOPE*******! They had A STOCK OFFERING at a time when people bought ANYTHING that was INTERNET!

And is google JUST in advertising now? NOPE!

So to say it is a 200 billion dollar company here, implying that THAT is how they made their money is just DUMB!

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Happy_Balance

15 years ago

This is not a simple topic to discuss. Some marketers and gurus actually want to help their customers to succeed; Others are not doing anything to help anybody, except for providing temporary (false) hope to people looking for answers.

Long-term, your intentions and actions will determine your results.

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jwhitebiz

15 years ago

You can capitalize on trends or do things more sustainable. I haven't ever really built much of a list with it, although, potentially you could. In this case, direct linking should be fine for short form types of offers.

Think of it this way...media buying or not...the more the user has to do, the more you have to do:

email submit, download, zip submit = direct linking majority of the time easy
mobile, ringtones, iq = about half and half you might target a topic or person or music artist
lead (financial, edu, cash advance) = some pre-sell or content, direct linking can work though
trial = pre-sell for sure
full price sale = def presell, sometimes presell plus follow up

And for beginning of the year, lots of stuff is good:

edu, people going back to school
biz opp, people wanting to quit jobs or make more money
health and beauty, huge, esp diet, skin creams

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Joe Benjamin

15 years ago

Hey jwhitebiz,

I actually weened myself from forums lately, but your'es caught my eye
because it's real. I think, one of the biggest reasons why people are so
skeptical is because they're USED to hearing one thing -- and don't want
to deal with the reality.

It's really bad if you're brand new because the first group of people you
gravitate to IS a guru. And, the only one I personally like and has any-
thing useful to say is Frank Kern.

Anyways, my question is this:

What was the lightbulb that turned on for you that switched from the
general mindset people in this forum have, to the mindset you have now?

Do you personally recommend a media buys course that you feel was a
great primer for a beginner to study (I only want to learn from the best)?

Do you offer any kind of coaching for any price? What are your conditions?

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jwhitebiz

15 years ago

Originally Posted by WhoIsBenjamin

Hey jwhitebiz,

I actually weened myself from forums lately, but your'es caught my eye
because it's real. I think, one of the biggest reasons why people are so
skeptical is because they're USED to hearing one thing -- and don't want
to deal with the reality.

It's really bad if you're brand new because the first group of people you
gravitate to IS a guru. And, the only one I personally like and has any-
thing useful to say is Frank Kern.

Anyways, my question is this:

What was the lightbulb that turned on for you that switched from the
general mindset people in this forum have, to the mindset you have now?

Do you personally recommend a media buys course that you feel was a
great primer for a beginner to study (I only want to learn from the best)?

Do you offer any kind of coaching for any price? What are your conditions?

Yeah, I understand that, I stopped buying the products 4-5 years ago, and I swear my income went way up. If you want to contact me, PM me your emails, skypes, or aim's (that goes for some of you that have tried to PM me already), I can't PM yet. I think there is always something to learn from others, from those that are doing things already.

Just to clarify, I have made millions actually (screenshots on the blog, you could ask my affiliate managers too), but I'm really just saying this in response to people's reaction to my blog, questioning my legitimacy.

At the end of the day, read my posts, or tips, try them, or use them to optimize what you're doing, and see what happens.

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jwhitebiz

15 years ago

Originally Posted by WhoIsBenjamin

Hey jwhitebiz,

I actually weened myself from forums lately, but your'es caught my eye
because it's real. I think, one of the biggest reasons why people are so
skeptical is because they're USED to hearing one thing -- and don't want
to deal with the reality.

It's really bad if you're brand new because the first group of people you
gravitate to IS a guru. And, the only one I personally like and has any-
thing useful to say is Frank Kern.

Anyways, my question is this:

What was the lightbulb that turned on for you that switched from the
general mindset people in this forum have, to the mindset you have now?

Do you personally recommend a media buys course that you feel was a
great primer for a beginner to study (I only want to learn from the best)?

Do you offer any kind of coaching for any price? What are your conditions?

Well, I would try the guru methods, and when none of them worked, I figured, this is crap, and started watching every ad online that I saw. Then I figured out doing that, what cpa was...tracking links, seeing what the ad was, where it was going etc. Then, I got into that and realized that for a newbie selling some very niche ebook is hard, where as, I can get someone to get a ringtone, sign up for a dating offer, download, etc, much easier. So, I think the biggest thing was watching the bigger marketplace and then figuring it out myself, eventually you meet others and it grows from there.

As for coaching, I've helped some friends out before, I haven't done formal coaching really, maybe at some point, I'm not sure.

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gekko2.0

15 years ago

Can't say I disagree with most of the article, lets be honest 99% of the crap the "gurus" are peddling is garbage but as long as there are lazy people looking to get rich quick the garbage will sell.

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rashamba

15 years ago

Hey everyone, I want to let you know I actually contacted jwhite over the weekend via skype to chat. He was more than willing to share his experiences and even ask some questions of me (although he is way ahead of me). After about an hour of discussion, I can say he is a genuine person. He is not trying to sell a product or coaching, he was just venting on his blog. While I do hesitate to believe those numbers, I know there are some making millions on media buys in particular. Jwhite is not one of those per se, but I do believe he has worked for some agencies that are doing big numbers on ad buys on the internet.
Strange enough, he is trying to move more into offline, while I am trying to do the opposite! We shared some advice and I apprecaited his input. Heck, I even offered up a revenue share if he would coach me on cpa, but he didn't bite...yet.
I was trying to figure out what his angle was by the blog and this thread. From what I can gather he is a real guy who worked for some bigger fish and started branching out on his own. He may not be making millions, but he is making more than most of us, so I am willing to listen. Now if he hits me up for a $5000 coaching fee, I will be back flaming him for life! BTW, we friended each other on Facebook. The guy is real, with wife and kids (and very nice cars). I signed up to his list and that is saying a lot, because I hate hype. So, if you want to hit him up, I would recommend. Not too often we get a chance to pick the brain of someone from the inner circle like this.
Make your own conclusions. I am cynical like most others here. I am saying, I took the time to enter into a conversation, not a thread war. Good luck to all of us for 2011!