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by rkcc4
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I thought I was going nuts, I was sure that I made a lengthy post about Mass Money, but looking at my profile it vanished.

In most forums if you make an inappropriate post your post may be edited, at the very least you get a note from a moderator, but nothing, just gone.

Then I found a tab that I had left that had the post, it was here:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ass-money.html

Now it just says:

"Invalid Thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator"

This is a concern, I don't mind being told to edit my most but I hate it being deleted with notice or reason.
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  • Profile picture of the author donhx
    Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

    I thought I was going nuts, I was sure that I made a lengthy post about Mass Money, but looking at my profile it vanished.

    In most forums if you make an inappropriate post your post may be edited, at the very least you get a note from a moderator, but nothing, just gone.

    Then I found a tab that I had left that had the post, it was here:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ass-money.html

    Now it just says:

    "Invalid Thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator"

    This is a concern, I don't mind being told to edit my most but I hate it being deleted with notice or reason.

    The mods run a tight ship here, and most of us think it's a good thing. Please check the sticky notes for the rules. You must have violated one, thus the chop.

    Also, you'll notice in the rules that this is such a busy place that mods don't explain their actions. They are known to be very fair, balanced and reasonable, however.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    You are not nuts.

    Your thread got nuked by one of the forum moderators. Since I did not see the post, I cannot comment on why it got nuked. But generally, those things get nuked for rules that were violated.

    This thread will eventually get nuked too, because asking about why you got nuked is also something that takes a lot of useless space on the forum.

    If you are offended that it was deleted without notice or reason, get used to it or stop coming here.
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    • Profile picture of the author rkcc4
      perhaps they could PM me with my original text and a note anout why it was nuked so I could edit it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

        perhaps they could PM me with my original text and a note anout why it was nuked so I could edit it.
        Nope. Ain't gonna happen. Just let it go.

        That may sound harsh, but I'm suggesting it because I care.

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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

        perhaps they could PM me with my original text and a note anout why it was nuked so I could edit it.

        Will never happen.

        When it got nuked, it was permanently deleted.
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

        perhaps they could PM me with my original text and a note anout why it was nuked so I could edit it.
        Multiply that two or three minutes of effort by the number of posts that get nuked here, and you may begin to grasp why they don't do that.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          Multiply that two or three minutes of effort by the number of posts that get nuked here, and you may begin to grasp why they don't do that.
          And that doesn't even scratch the surface of the potential back-and-forth follow ups.



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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

            And that doesn't even scratch the surface of the potential back-and-forth follow ups.
            Seriously. Geez, I would go insane trying to moderate a forum like this. Honestly, do you people realise just how much work these poor mods do? Be nice to them. They deserve it.
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            • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
              I remember that thread you're referring to. Here's my guess what happened: It belonged in the Product Reviews section, not here, but you didn't have enough posts at that time to post in that section, so moving it was not an option.

              In addition, there were already at least two or three other threads on the same product already going on in the Reviews section, covering the same ground you did. We try to keep it to one thread per product, so that may be down to just one thread left there.

              Now multiply the amount of time it took me to type this post and multiply it by the dozens of similar threads throughout a typical day -- plus multiply that by several times to account for people who argue about why the thread shouldn't have been deleted and the mods responding to that, and you get an idea of why the mods can't respond to each person. Keep in mind that the mods have their own businesses to run, and lives beyond that, too.
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            • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
              Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

              Seriously. Geez, I would go insane.
              How would we be able to tell the difference?

              Sorry -- you shouldn't leave straight lines like that lying around where anyone can grab them.
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              • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                Originally Posted by Ken Strong View Post

                Sorry -- you shouldn't leave straight lines like that lying around where anyone can grab them.
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              • Profile picture of the author tpw
                Originally Posted by Ken Strong View Post

                Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                Seriously. Geez, I would go insane
                How would we be able to tell the difference?

                Sorry -- you shouldn't leave straight lines like that lying around where anyone can grab them.

                Now THAT is funny!!!

                I'd Thank you Ken, but as you may know, I frequently run out of Thanks buttons... LOL

                Just drop Paul a note to remind him how 25 Thanks per day, sometimes is not enough....
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                • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                  I thanked Ken for you - I had a few thanks left today.
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                • Profile picture of the author Bekah Howard
                  Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

                  Just a thought.

                  As you have mentioned your vast experience at other forums, may I ask why you didn't read the rules before you even made a single post?

                  THAT would seem to be a normal course of action for somebody as experienced with forums as you are.

                  Like I said, just a thought.

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                  Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

                  Thanks for good advice Alexa, in my business I value every customer, even the most difficult. I am a member of a forum with 4m members and they have rules but they always tell you why etc.

                  I have been spoilt thus far!
                  I agree with Michael that if you have experiences with forums you should realize that every forum is different. They each have their own set of rules (both written and unwritten), their own way of dealing with things, their own atmosphere, etc.

                  Also, there is a line that most businesses draw between valuing a customer and dealing with a nuisance. No one should ever take for granted or feel entitled because they are a "valued customer". If someone has this attitude, it is very easy to cross the line into becoming a nuisance that will be dealt with.

                  Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                  On a random side note, it's good to see another xkcd fan around here!

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                  • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
                    Originally Posted by Bekah Howard View Post

                    Also, there is a line that most businesses draw between valuing a customer and dealing with a nuisance. No one should ever take for granted or feel entitled because they are a "valued customer". If someone has this attitude, it is very easy to cross the line into becoming a nuisance that will be dealt with.
                    Dammit.

                    Bill, I'm going to take up your mantle and start demanding more "thank you's".

                    I've met my daily quota.

                    Grumble.

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                    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
                      Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

                      Dammit.

                      Bill, I'm going to take up your mantle and start demanding more "thank you's".

                      I've met my daily quota.

                      Grumble.

                      Rob
                      I got this one for you, Rob.



                      All the best,
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                      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
                        Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

                        I got this one for you, Rob.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Oh boy, here we go again!

    This isn't other forums.

    It has been discussed to death why the "super mods" simply cannot, and WILL not offer explanations,.

    You'll just have to trust me on this: there a lot of valid reasons why they don't do it.

    Also, it is an unwritten rule (?), though it HAS been written as a response SEVERAL times, that you shouldn't post asking why your thread was deleted.

    They don't owe us an explanation, though we may prefer one from time to time. The smart thing to do is just let it go.

    All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author rkcc4
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      Oh boy, here we go again!

      This isn't other forums.

      It has been discussed to death why the "super mods" simply cannot, and WILL not offer explanations,.

      You'll just have to trust me on this: there a lot of valid reasons why they don't do it.

      Also, it is an unwritten rule (?), though it HAS been written as a response SEVERAL times, that you shouldn't post asking why your thread was deleted.

      They don't owe us an explanation, though we may prefer one from time to time. The smart thing to do is just let it go.

      All the best,
      Michael
      Understood but they would avoid a lot more bad posts if they explained, it would shape their community.

      Are you not allowed to review products on here then?
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

        Understood but they would avoid a lot more bad posts if they explained, it would shape their community.

        Are you not allowed to review products on here then?
        "Understood but..."

        THAT is WHY.

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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

        Understood but they would avoid a lot more bad posts if they explained, it would shape their community.

        Are you not allowed to review products on here then?

        I am not sure of all of the nuances that go with this, but I do know that bad reviews will get nuked -- not to protect the seller, but to protect the community...

        There is a lot that goes along with naming names with a terrible review...

        It would make equal sense that if naming names on bad reviews is unacceptable, the same would apply to good reviews...
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        • Profile picture of the author rkcc4
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          I am not sure of all of the nuances that go with this, but I do know that bad reviews will get nuked -- not to protect the seller, but to protect the community...

          There is a lot that goes along with naming names with a terrible review...

          It would make equal sense that if naming names on bad reviews is unacceptable, the same would apply to good reviews...
          What is naming names?

          Mostly I just complained that the videos were too long and you could not access them or jump back to a specific point.

          There were a few other things mentioned, clearly if this is not the place to do this I will do so on my own site, I think I own a domain that I can use for this purpose.

          I tried to contact the vendors but no response so refund only option.
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

            What is naming names?

            Mostly I just complained that the videos were too long and you could not access them or jump back to a specific point.

            There were a few other things mentioned, clearly if this is not the place to do this I will do so on my own site, I think I own a domain that I can use for this purpose.

            I tried to contact the vendors but no response so refund only option.

            And that is the reason your thread was deleted.

            When you mention the name of a vendor, that is naming names.

            There are a dozen reasons why the forum should not allow this.

            One: It is only your opinion that the videos were too long.

            Two: It is only a problem for some of us when the vendor doesn't give us a pause or rewind button.

            Three: Maybe you did not give the vendors enough time to respond.

            Four: Bad reviews of a vendor could potentially get the forum sued, because it would appear that the forum supports tearing down their business.

            And on, and on, and on...

            Do put product reviews on your own site.

            If you want to talk to people about making money, come here and honor the community standards that are in place for the benefit of the whole community.
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            • Profile picture of the author rkcc4
              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

              And that is the reason your thread was deleted.

              When you mention the name of a vendor, that is naming names.

              There are a dozen reasons why the forum should not allow this.

              One: It is only your opinion that the videos were too long.

              Two: It is only a problem for some of us when the vendor doesn't give us a pause or rewind button.

              Three: Maybe you did not give the vendors enough time to respond.

              Four: Bad reviews of a vendor could potentially get the forum sued, because it would appear that the forum supports tearing down their business.

              And on, and on, and on...

              Do put product reviews on your own site.

              If you want to talk to people about making money, come here and honor the community standards that are in place for the benefit of the whole community.
              Thanks for a brilliant and helpful response, much more useful than the bugger off we will be fine without you approach.

              Wow it surprises me that in an industry that seems to pride itself on "my name is X" along with the plethora of spam.

              Most forums just have a disclaimer that the posts are the responsibility of the poster.

              For my part I thought the post I made was helpful to the author and the community, I even explained that I heard they had some server issues.

              Oh well, at least I know now.
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          • Profile picture of the author donhx
            Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

            What is naming names?

            Mostly I just complained that the videos were too long and you could not access them or jump back to a specific point.

            I tried to contact the vendors but no response so refund only option.

            Ah ha! Now we see why the wise mods nuked your thread. You are a disgruntled customer.

            The rules are very clear.... Complain to the seller, don't complain here.

            If you read the rules first, you would have not written the "review" in the first place.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Obviously, we cannot comment on it, because we did not see.

    Those are tasked with that stuff have enough on their plates to hold our hands all the time.

    I had about 15 of my posts nuked on Friday, but I know why, and they deserved to be nuked. LOL

    Just read over the forum rules as Don advised. You will likely come across some explanation there that makes it all come into focus.
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    • Profile picture of the author rkcc4
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Obviously, we cannot comment on it, because we did not see.

      Those are tasked with that stuff have enough on their plates to hold our hands all the time.

      I had about 15 of my posts nuked on Friday, but I know why, and they deserved to be nuked. LOL

      Just read over the forum rules as Don advised. You will likely come across some explanation there that makes it all come into focus.
      15! What the hell did you do? Tell me so I don't make the same mistake.

      If I lost 15 posts I would just go start my own forum with more free speech.

      This may be the biggest and best forum just now, but once IBM was the biggest until a new pretender called Microsoft came along. Then Microsoft tried to avoid some anti competition hassle in the EU so it bailed out a company on the verge of going bust, it was a small little company called Apple.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

        15! What the hell did you do? Tell me so I don't make the same mistake.

        If I lost 15 posts I would just go start my own forum with more free speech.

        This may be the biggest and best forum just now, but once IBM was the biggest until a new pretender called Microsoft came along. Then Microsoft tried to avoid some anti competition hassle in the EU so it bailed out a company on the verge of going bust, it was a small little company called Apple.
        Sometimes posts get deleted simply becuase they don't contribute to the thread. Sometimes they get deleted because a mod doesn't want a thread to too far in the wrong direction. Sometimes they get deleted for blatant violation of the rules. Sometimes they get deleted because somebody who is new here starts yelling and screaming about "free speech" in a PRIVATE forum!

        Hey, go ahead. Start your own forum. Nobody is stopping you.

        All the best,
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      • Profile picture of the author globalpro
        Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

        If I lost 15 posts I would just go start my own forum with more free speech.
        This is always an option and if you continue on with the 'questioning of how the forum is run, you may have no choice.

        Next to using deleting posts to maintain the integrity of this forum, banning is also an option the mods use effectively.

        Thanks,

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        • Profile picture of the author rkcc4
          Originally Posted by globalpro View Post

          This is always an option and if you continue on with the 'questioning of how the forum is run, you may have no choice.

          Next to using deleting posts to maintain the integrity of this forum, banning is also an option the mods use effectively.

          Thanks,

          John
          So much for free speech and freedom of the internet.

          I am just looking for a little courtesy or direction of what was wrong with the post. If they banned me it would be their loss.
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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
            Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

            So much for free speech and freedom of the internet.

            I am just looking for a little courtesy or direction of what was wrong with the post. If they banned me it would be their loss.
            I think we'll be fine.

            Anyway, I would love to see this whole thread kept as a sample of why you should just let deleted posts go. rkcc4, you are demonstrating what happens.You start off with what seems like a fair and simple request, but it devolves into you threatening to take your toys out of the sandbox....

            When there are already more than enough toys!

            All the best,
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

            So much for free speech and freedom of the internet.
            This is a privately owned forum. The owner and his representatives get to determine what's allowed here. Which is as it should be.

            Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

            If they banned me it would be their loss.
            That comment may possibly make "them" feel otherwise.

            Quite often, one's posts can be deleted through absolutely no fault of one's own. Once a thread has turned into a real mess (as well as one that's started with a "bad post"), it makes far more sense to take it away than spend half an hour editing it. Don't assume the worst, every time one of your posts disappears.

            And, in a forum with over 250,000 members, don't expect an explanation each time, either.
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            • Profile picture of the author rkcc4
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              This is a privately owned forum. The owner and his representatives get to determine what's allowed here. Which is as it should be.



              That comment may possibly make "them" feel otherwise.

              Quite often, one's posts can be deleted through absolutely no fault of one's own. Once a thread has turned into a real mess (as well as one that's started with a "bad post"), it makes far more sense to take it away than spend half an hour editing it. Don't assume the worst, every time one of your posts disappears.

              And, in a forum with over 250,000 members, don't expect an explanation each time, either.
              Thanks for good advice Alexa, in my business I value every customer, even the most difficult. I am a member of a forum with 4m members and they have rules but they always tell you why etc.

              I have been spoilt thus far!
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              • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
                Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

                Thanks for good advice Alexa, in my business I value every customer, even the most difficult. I am a member of a forum with 4m members and they have rules but they always tell you why etc.

                I have been spoilt thus far!
                Just a thought.

                As you have mentioned your vast experience at other forums, may I ask why you didn't read the rules before you even made a single post?

                THAT would seem to be a normal course of action for somebody as experienced with forums as you are.

                Like I said, just a thought.

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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    I don't think anyone would argue that the mod thing is necessary, and sometimes threads need to be nuked. I just think it would be nice if we would get a notice telling us why our thread was nuked. Most times we don't realize we broke a rule, and if we never get told what we did wrong, we are not likely to learn.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      I don't think anyone would argue that the mod thing is necessary, and sometimes threads need to be nuked. I just think it would be nice if we would get a notice telling us why our thread was nuked. Most times we don't realize we broke a rule, and if we never get told what we did wrong, we are not likely to learn.
      Sure, it may be nice in some cases, but have you not seen the countless threads where this has been discussed?

      The rules really aren't all that hard to figure out. Really. Yes, some of them make some time, but nothing that even a modicum of participation couldn't iron out.

      Besides, let's say a mod offers an explanation. What do you think most people would do (not you, just in general)? Would they say, "Okie dokie. Thanks!" or would they say, "Understood, but...".

      OR...would they start looking for ways around the rule?

      It could be any of the above. But from my point of view, offering explanations would only create problems.

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      • Profile picture of the author rkcc4
        Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

        Sure, it may be nice in some cases, but have you not seen the countless threads where this has been discussed?

        The rules really aren't all that hard to figure out. Really. Yes, some of them make some time, but nothing that even a modicum of participation couldn't iron out.

        Besides, let's say a mod offers an explanation. What do you think most people would do (not you, just in general)? Would they say, "Okie dokie. Thanks!" or would they say, "Understood, but...".

        OR...would they start looking for ways around the rule?

        It could be any of the above. But from my point of view, offering explanations would only create problems.

        All the best,
        Michael

        I totally respect the owner can take the forum where they want and define their own rules, I don't want a way around a rule, I want to learn the way things are done around here. Deleting means I learn nothing and irriates me because I spent my valuable time giving an honest view of a current product.

        People come here for different reasons, I don't want to break rules, just give and take. When I joined it said I had to make 20 posts before I could reply to a post in a thread, so I thought I will write about my experience.

        I would rather have posted that in the Mass Money thread but it would not let me.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
          Originally Posted by rkcc4 View Post

          I totally respect the owner can take the forum where they want and define their own rules, I don't want a way around a rule, I want to learn the way things are done around here. Deleting means I learn nothing and irriates me because I spent my valuable time giving an honest view of a current product.

          People come here for different reasons, I don't want to break rules, just give and take. When I joined it said I had to make 20 posts before I could reply to a post in a thread, so I thought I will write about my experience.

          I would rather have posted that in the Mass Money thread but it would not let me.
          Okay, sounds like a reasonable request.

          For the record, the mods aren't singling you out. They VERY rarely give explanations, if at all.

          Now, a lot of people (myself included) mentioned Rule #1. It basically says if you have a problem with another Warrior, then take it up with them, but not here.

          HOWEVER, legitimate product reviews ARE allowed, but ONLY in the threads about those products. The catch is that you need 50 posts to comment in some sections of the forum.

          So, you can still offer an honest review (if certain criteria are met), but you just need to wait until you have a few more posts. I can see how that seems unfair, but the 50 posts is meant to keep out dishonest reviewers, and that unfortunately means a few honest reviewers are kept out until thet enough posts.

          All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Dude, if you are really concerned about free speech, then do go start your own forum.

    This place serves a specific purpose as defined by its owner... Therefore you have no rights of free speech here...

    My 15 posts that got nuked was when I and a few other Warriors got teed off about something and started flaming the crap out of each other.

    We deserved deletion!

    Even mods had their posts deleted in that exchange, so there...
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    "What is naming names?"

    GIYF

    Anyway...

    Rule #1 is very clear.

    You may want to read it.

    All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      "What is naming names?"

      GIYF

      Anyway...

      Rule #1 is very clear.

      You may want to read it.

      All the best,
      Michael

      Michael: I had to look it up.... GIYF
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      • Profile picture of the author Jacqueline Smith
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        Michael: I had to look it up.... GIYF

        LOL....Thanks Bill! I was wondering myself but didn't want to ask. The fact that YOU didn't know makes me feel so much better!
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        Michael: I had to look it up.... GIYF
        And here I thought it was "Gonads In Your Face."

        I guess I just run in different circles.
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        "The Golden Town is the Golden Town no longer. They have sold their pillars for brass and their temples for money, they have made coins out of their golden doors. It is become a dark town full of trouble, there is no ease in its streets, beauty has left it and the old songs are gone." - Lord Dunsany, The Messengers
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  • Profile picture of the author RaptorGabe
    Welcome to the Warrior Forum sucks doesn't it? It's nothing personal, just make sure to read the rules
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by RaptorGabe View Post

      Welcome to the Warrior Forum sucks doesn't it? It's nothing personal, just make sure to read the rules
      As seen at the top of the main index page:

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      Bill Platt, Oklahoma USA, PlattPublishing.com
      Publish Coloring Books for Profit (WSOTD 7-30-2015)
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    • Profile picture of the author rkcc4
      Originally Posted by RaptorGabe View Post

      Welcome to the Warrior Forum sucks doesn't it? It's nothing personal, just make sure to read the rules
      I am going to do that right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    I heard there were free thanks being given out here... yes, more please <-- also what she said.
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    I'm all about that bass.

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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    And back to the OP, I've had more posts and commentary removed than I can keep track of. It's not something to lose sleep over.
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    I'm all about that bass.

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