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I've been too busy lately and it's early, I just feel like yacking for a few minutes.

So it's been 10 months since I started treating Rickie for bone cancer. I knew I could kill the tumor - but it's bone, so I figured it had calcified and there would be nothing I could do to make his leg normal again. Also figured that the whole tumor would never be absorbed even after it was dead because it was on bone instead of in soft tissue.

Not only is the tumor almost completely absorbed - he's getting some of the normal bone definition back. So I guess bone does repair itself after cancer. Didn't have one whit of a clue it would do that.

Here's a pic of Rickie out hunting crystals with Jessie and I. He smiles like that all the time. The three of us are about to take a trip to NV for some gem hunting. Anyone out there that knows the Hawthorne/Tonopah area (any good hunting sites) drop me a PM!







Oh yeah - this is my Niece. I took her crystal hunting with me once and made a crazed addict out of her. This is how it is for us when we go out - everyone gets filthy and everyone smiles.




Well that's what's up around here when I'm not foaming at the mouth on the computer. How Y'all doin'?
  • Profile picture of the author ReikiGirl
    Heyyy Sal! I love that you go crystal hunting! I have them here all around my desk. My daughter too, is very into them. Me not so much, but I appreciate their power and I do have some different gems and rocks that I love.

    Any places you know of in Sedona I could do the same thing? My next trip there is October.

    What did you do to help your dog? Homeopathy?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Sal -

      Rickie looks so healthy now! happy dog!
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Sal -

        Rickie looks so healthy now! happy dog!
        He is, Kay - everyone says he's mega old already, but I think he's got several good years left. I don't think he's over 10 at max and he's only 60 lbs, so I'd say we've got a few good summers coming yet.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
          Every dog I've known that got mega old started getting white on its muzzle. I don't see that in Rickie's picture so I bet you're right about having a few years left.

          I don't know diddly squat about gem hunting or that area but good hunting, Sal.
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      Originally Posted by ReikiGirl View Post

      Heyyy Sal! I love that you go crystal hunting! I have them here all around my desk. My daughter too, is very into them. Me not so much, but I appreciate their power and I do have some different gems and rocks that I love.

      Any places you know of in Sedona I could do the same thing? My next trip there is October.

      What did you do to help your dog? Homeopathy?
      I used my own formula of herbs, supplements, and foods for Ricky. Lots of exercise, sunshine, and kisses and hugs, too.

      So tell me where Sedona is and I'll see if I can give you a lead. (I might have used to know this one but can't think of it now). You've got some nice stuff around NJ, too, ya know.
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    Tina - that's gotta be your browser. He's white alright - even salt and pepper around his tempos and cheeks. But he was so sick for so long, I'm thinking that some of the white is premature.

    And thanks - Going after turquoise this time. If we strike out (not sure where we can get in to yet, there's snow in some areas still) at least we can nab some petrified wood. We'll come home with SOMETHING.
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Tina - that's gotta be your browser. He's white alright - even salt and pepper around his tempos and cheeks. But he was so sick for so long, I'm thinking that some of the white is premature.
      Oh, I see. I do see some white, but in my browser, it just looks like normal colorations. I don't see the salt & pepper at all.
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      He's white alright - even salt and pepper around his tempos and cheeks. But he was so sick for so long, I'm thinking that some of the white is premature.
      I'm prematurely white too, Sal :-) Rickie looks great, very happy and enjoying life. Well done!
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        Originally Posted by Audrey Harvey View Post

        I'm prematurely white too, Sal :-) Rickie looks great, very happy and enjoying life. Well done!
        Makes 3 of us Audrey. My hair is so thick it's ridiculous, but it sure turned grey fast. People think I'm blond, LOL, yeah right. Never did figure out what elements would make it dark again.
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    Sal,

    Bone is apparently far more robust that one would think by looking at DEAD bone. And Cancer is just normal cells run amok. So if you can really cure the cancer with nutrition, there may even be less that needs to heal. I mean IMAGINE if you could actually HEAL pancreas cells. A person could go from someone near death needlng a new pancreas to someone that is just healthy. of course, they don't ever try to heal the cells, but remove them or kill them.

    And Rickie looks normal to me. I've seen PUPPIES with color like that, and I don't think Tina was talking about the white over the eyes, or on the side of the face. Didn't Rickie have it when he was a pup?

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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Sal,

      Bone is apparently far more robust that one would think by looking at DEAD bone. And Cancer is just normal cells run amok. So if you can really cure the cancer with nutrition, there may even be less that needs to heal. I mean IMAGINE if you could actually HEAL pancreas cells. A person could go from someone near death needlng a new pancreas to someone that is just healthy. of course, they don't ever try to heal the cells, but remove them or kill them.

      And Rickie looks normal to me. I've seen PUPPIES with color like that, and I don't think Tina was talking about the white over the eyes, or on the side of the face. Didn't Rickie have it when he was a pup?

      Steve
      I didn't know you could heal bone because it calcifies, and calcification seemed to me to be irreversible.

      Nobody knows what Ricky looked like as a puppy. My sister found him around 5 years back where she used to take her dog for a walk. She started taking him food, thinking someone would come find him (it is an area with a lot of boating tourism) and finally just brought him home. She says that he had a little bit of white under his chin - he's got some rotty in him and rot mixes usually have a tad of white somewhere. If I didn't know that white wasn't always there, I'd mistake him for a Greater Swiss mix instead of rot - and that might actually be right anyhow. He's shaped more like a Greater Swiss than a rotty. It's just Rotts are common and Swisses aren't. He was definitely an adult dog when she found him though. 3 yrs? 6? nobody could guess, even the vets aren't sure.
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        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        I didn't know you could heal bone because it calcifies, and calcification seemed to me to be irreversible.
        Yeah, it DEFINITELY has calcium and magnesium, and you would think that that is it. But bone is kind of funny. HARD and somewhat brittle, but also somewhat supple. It is often built up, to repair itself, but can degrade to provide minerals when needed. It certainly isn't like human teeth.

        I wasn't saying he WAS a puppy. Just the fact that you have had him so long shows he isn't. I merely meant that given only his coloring, he still COULD be.
        Ellen,

        3 things heysal LOVES are her Dog, Gem hunting, and natural medicine. Her dog WAS sick but apparently is fine now. Anyway, she started "yaking" about what she loves.

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  • Profile picture of the author Ellen Sanford
    I am sad about your dog, it's good he is happy. I know that making the decision to treat is a tough one. Prayers to you.
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      Originally Posted by Ellen Sanford View Post

      I am sad about your dog, it's good he is happy. I know that making the decision to treat is a tough one. Prayers to you.
      Um ....I think you missed something here. Ricky isn't sick any more.
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  • Profile picture of the author MerlynSanchez
    He is adorable! Such a sweet face...

    It sounds like the 3 of you have a great time while rock hunting. I was fascinated with rocks and minerals when I was a kid. It's something I've always wanted to do.





    Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

    I've been too busy lately and it's early, I just feel like yacking for a few minutes.

    So it's been 10 months since I started treating Rickie for bone cancer. I knew I could kill the tumor - but it's bone, so I figured it had calcified and there would be nothing I could do to make his leg normal again. Also figured that the whole tumor would never be absorbed even after it was dead because it was on bone instead of in soft tissue.

    Not only is the tumor almost completely absorbed - he's getting some of the normal bone definition back. So I guess bone does repair itself after cancer. Didn't have one whit of a clue it would do that.

    Here's a pic of Rickie out hunting crystals with Jessie and I. He smiles like that all the time. The three of us are about to take a trip to NV for some gem hunting. Anyone out there that knows the Hawthorne/Tonopah area (any good hunting sites) drop me a PM!







    Oh yeah - this is my Niece. I took her crystal hunting with me once and made a crazed addict out of her. This is how it is for us when we go out - everyone gets filthy and everyone smiles.




    Well that's what's up around here when I'm not foaming at the mouth on the computer. How Y'all doin'?
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  • Profile picture of the author davis cup
    I’ve heard about crystal healing but I am personally into alpha meditation. You can achieve your goals and heal yours and others problems. I am having lots of peace of mind after following alpha mediation and healing.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by davis cup View Post

      I've heard about crystal healing but I am personally into alpha meditation. You can achieve your goals and heal yours and others problems. I am having lots of peace of mind after following alpha mediation and healing.
      I don't use crystals to heal. I hunt them, make jewelry or sell them, or just keep them for cabinet specimens. I have sold some to healers. I use natural sources for healing whenever possible, but haven't been above going to a doctor now and again in a pinch. They hate me because I refuse most prescriptions they try to get me to fill. Seems kinda strange to take an asthma medicine that can increase chances of death from asthma in my view. LOL. I do okay, though so can't complain.
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  • Profile picture of the author ReikiGirl
    Sal - Sedona is in AZ - I too have no idea how to hunt for gems. I'm going to have to look it up now.

    I think finding them myself would make a better connection.
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      Originally Posted by ReikiGirl View Post

      Sal - Sedona is in AZ - I too have no idea how to hunt for gems. I'm going to have to look it up now.

      I think finding them myself would make a better connection.
      AZ - of course.

      It might not be as easy to just go out and find them as you might expect. Let me see if I can find somewhere near Sedona that is packed enough that stuff might be laying out on the ground. If you've never dug before, you aren't going to get too far with that one. You might want to get into my website and take a gander around the forum - I'll see what I can find out, but it's going to take some time here - I have some paying work to do first.
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    Florida isn't the best rockhound territory Merlyn - but the gulf has awesome seashells. There's also a lot of treasure caches down there -- but don't get caught - Florida prosecutes people for picking up dislocated artifacts found in streams. Even the archaeologists say they are worthless them. They even prosecute tourists for taking jars of souvenir beach sand sometimes. But then - Georgia is a good place for rocks (and gold).
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    • Profile picture of the author MerlynSanchez
      Now that you mentioned it, I remembered about Georgia and gold. I might take a look and doing that this summer.

      I love seashell collecting and there are several great spots on Florida's west coast. We've also collected fossilized shark's teeth on the Peace River.




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      Florida isn't the best rockhound territory Merlyn - but the gulf has awesome seashells. There's also a lot of treasure caches down there -- but don't get caught - Florida prosecutes people for picking up dislocated artifacts found in streams. Even the archaeologists say they are worthless them. They even prosecute tourists for taking jars of souvenir beach sand sometimes. But then - Georgia is a good place for rocks (and gold).
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    Anyone who loves dogs as much as you do and are willing and able to do everything possible to heal them when they are sick is A-OK in my book.

    I've always had Boxers, grew up around an alpha male Boxer who considered me his pup and watched over me always.

    I've had 6 Boxers over the course of my life thus far and a few of them were ill and I quickly learned everything I could to deal with their conditions.

    One had an enlarged heart and the vet said I should put him to sleep as he won't live more than a couple of weeks. Through research and hard work I extended his life for 8 more months. He wasn't in pain during any of that time and he was a very happy dog even in his final months.

    My next Boxer was healthy but every time he coughed my heart would skip a beat. You see, the Boxer with the enlarged heart would cough sometimes because fluid would build up around his heart which creates a condition known as "Congestive Heart Failure." So whenever things got bad I'd make sure he got a large dose of a diuretic to release the fluid from around his heart.

    Then I had a happy and healthy Boxer who was very active. One day, he was around 6 years old, he got some sort of clot in his spinal chord and was paralyzed from the bottom of his ribcage all the way down his hind legs.

    Vets examined, ran expensive tests and finally said that he either needed an operation that would cost upwards of $10k or he would die so in reality they were telling me to put my dog to sleep. No F'ing Way!!!

    I carried my paralyzed dog to my car, put him on the back seat and took him home. He was very ill for the next 7 or 8 weeks. At one point the lack of movement and the fact he had a cut on his scrotum meant that infection set in. I fought off the infection with several antibiotics, I carried him with a belt under his belly outside so he could relieve himself. His intestines weren't working right so I had to use a squirt bottle laxative along with my hands to remove as much fecal matter from his gut as possible.

    I thought the infection was over with but then I come downstairs one morning and I notice that my dogs hind legs are "puffy." Yup, you guessed it, gas gangrene and once again the vet told me to put him to sleep. Since he was paralyzed he wasn't feeling any pain so I told the vet what he can do to himself. Had him clean out the necrotic tissue from inside and around his scrotum and stitch him up. With a new bunch of antibiotics in hand I started fighting the gas gangrene. A week later I was able to battle it to victory.

    I was starting to lose hope, I thought it was a strong possibility he would never regain the use of his legs and that he really couldn't go on living in that condition. I purchased a dogie wheelchair but he wouldn't stay in it.

    I finally decided that I would give him 10 more days before I would start considering putting him to sleep. About 5 days after I had made that vow to myself I took him outside, using a belt under his belly to support his weight from behind. I noticed his rear legs were trying to work, trying to support his weight. I kneeled to one knee and placed my knee under his butt so that most of his weight would be on my knee, sort of like partly sitting down.

    He sat/stood there for a few minutes and then he took a step forward. He stood there again and I moved to support his weight again. Then he stepped away again but by the time I had gotten there with my knee for support he had walked about 10 steps further.

    I brought him back inside the house and almost had a heart attack when the first thing he did was to take the stairs all the way down to the basement and after that he came back up the stairs.

    He never regained full range of motion and his rear left leg was much weaker then his right leg. Since he would often scrape the top of his toes when he walked it was necessary to create a boot/shoe/brace to protect his toes from scraping to open wounds on the sidewalk. I sewed many a leather boot/shoe/brace for him and he lived to the ripe old age of 15. He never regained full range of motion but he adapted and was the same happy dog I had always loved. It killed me when at the age of 15 it became necessary to put him to sleep. He wanted to die already but his body wouldn't let him. He couldn't control his bladder, his weakish legs really couldn't carry him any longer and he did not want to eat.

    I stayed with him in that room till it was obvious he was gone. One thought, like the cruelest weapon of an expert torturer torments me sometimes even to this day. A little hurtful thought that destroys me each time I think about it. That thought is, as he lay on that table at the vets office and taking his final breaths, did he think I betrayed him?

    Yeah, that's a thought that will bring any dog-person to tears and beyond.

    I have another Boxer now, he's my sweetheart puppy-baby-boy, even though he's 2. He too almost died when his puppy immune system wasn't developing as fast as the rest of him and during allergy season his immune system turned on him and attacked his body. The result was a case of meningitis that almost killed him. Luckily we figured out, along with my new vet, that Prednisone (a steroid anti-inflammatory) was the answer to taking the problem away. I still keep a small supply of the medicine around just in case he has a relapse but he's a happy, healthy, extremely large 82 pound Boxer.

    Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

    I've been too busy lately and it's early, I just feel like yacking for a few minutes.

    So it's been 10 months since I started treating Rickie for bone cancer. I knew I could kill the tumor - but it's bone, so I figured it had calcified and there would be nothing I could do to make his leg normal again. Also figured that the whole tumor would never be absorbed even after it was dead because it was on bone instead of in soft tissue.

    Not only is the tumor almost completely absorbed - he's getting some of the normal bone definition back. So I guess bone does repair itself after cancer. Didn't have one whit of a clue it would do that.

    Here's a pic of Rickie out hunting crystals with Jessie and I. He smiles like that all the time. The three of us are about to take a trip to NV for some gem hunting. Anyone out there that knows the Hawthorne/Tonopah area (any good hunting sites) drop me a PM!
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      Originally Posted by No1here View Post

      I stayed with him in that room till it was obvious he was gone. One thought, like the cruelest weapon of an expert torturer torments me sometimes even to this day. A little hurtful thought that destroys me each time I think about it. That thought is, as he lay on that table at the vets office and taking his final breaths, did he think I betrayed him?
      That's an amazing story! As someone who often has to euthanize dogs, I can say that I don't believe dogs feel that they've been betrayed when they take those last breaths. You said he wanted to die but his body wouldn't let him - so you knew him well enough to see what he wanted, and helped him in the best way you could. You were right there with him at the end.

      I love this poem, it expresses exactly that, but have the tissues handy, it always chokes me up.

      http://www.ashvets.co.uk/files/Igrowweak.pdf
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    Not1Here - Thanks for your story.

    My last dog got congestive heart failure at the end (he was way over lifespan already). They had a new drug called vetmedin that gave him a normal life again for around 7 months - months that we used to have the best last summer that any earthbound soul could hope to have. When he died, he died rapidly, in my arms and with a kiss goodbye. I am eternally thankful for those last months with my special guy. He meant more to me than anything in my life. It's been a hard road to get over him -- but when I met Ricky who needed care and love of someone who understands dogs (my sister's heart was in the right place but she's a cat person and has no clue what a dog is) all my pain and loneliness was suddenly cured.

    The effort to cure this pup has not been a burden. I took it upon me gladly -- and had no choice but to succeed. When I saw his misery I looked into those eyes that were reflecting his pain and fear and I promised him that he would not die of cancer and would be whole again and we would have the best of life together. I don't make promises rashly - I knew I could reverse his illnesses and I knew I could show him all the things that dogs cherish and enjoy. It's just that simple. Where there is a will, there is a way.

    Your boy didn't think you abandoned him. Animals know when it is their time. They also know when they are in trouble and know when your efforts save them. They know your joys and upsets and never once do they doubt you when you care about their well-being. Do not ever feel guilty about the end your pet had. He had love and care - he wasn't wondering or fooled. He knew. If he had known how, he would have taken himself out to save you the decision. In the end, he counted on you for the strength to help him. Never look back with doubt or guilt. And never believe anyone who tells you animals don't have a soul. They are made from the same energy as humans - it's just compacted differently. You will see your boy on the other side. Dogs are patient. He will wait.

    All the happiness in the world to you and your little fuzzy.
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      Originally Posted by Audrey Harvey View Post

      That's an amazing story! As someone who often has to euthanize dogs, I can say that I don't believe dogs feel that they've been betrayed when they take those last breaths. You said he wanted to die but his body wouldn't let him - so you knew him well enough to see what he wanted, and helped him in the best way you could. You were right there with him at the end.

      I love this poem, it expresses exactly that, but have the tissues handy, it always chokes me up.

      http://www.ashvets.co.uk/files/Igrowweak.pdf
      I like the poem but I appreciate your reassurance even more. Intelectually I guess I always knew he didn't blame me. It's just my human brains way of torturing me over something extremely painful.

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      Not1Here - Thanks for your story.

      My last dog got congestive heart failure at the end (he was way over lifespan already). They had a new drug called vetmedin that gave him a normal life again for around 7 months - months that we used to have the best last summer that any earthbound soul could hope to have. When he died, he died rapidly, in my arms and with a kiss goodbye. I am eternally thankful for those last months with my special guy. He meant more to me than anything in my life. It's been a hard road to get over him -- but when I met Ricky who needed care and love of someone who understands dogs (my sister's heart was in the right place but she's a cat person and has no clue what a dog is) all my pain and loneliness was suddenly cured.

      The effort to cure this pup has not been a burden. I took it upon me gladly -- and had no choice but to succeed. When I saw his misery I looked into those eyes that were reflecting his pain and fear and I promised him that he would not die of cancer and would be whole again and we would have the best of life together. I don't make promises rashly - I knew I could reverse his illnesses and I knew I could show him all the things that dogs cherish and enjoy. It's just that simple. Where there is a will, there is a way.

      Your boy didn't think you abandoned him. Animals know when it is their time. They also know when they are in trouble and know when your efforts save them. They know your joys and upsets and never once do they doubt you when you care about their well-being. Do not ever feel guilty about the end your pet had. He had love and care - he wasn't wondering or fooled. He knew. If he had known how, he would have taken himself out to save you the decision. In the end, he counted on you for the strength to help him. Never look back with doubt or guilt. And never believe anyone who tells you animals don't have a soul. They are made from the same energy as humans - it's just compacted differently. You will see your boy on the other side. Dogs are patient. He will wait.

      All the happiness in the world to you and your little fuzzy.
      7 months extra is no small thing and the fact that your pups quality of life was ok is fantastic.

      I hope you never have to encounter Congestive Heart Failure with any pups ever again. Having said that I would like to share one bit of info with you. Congestive Heart Failure is a misleading term that makes it sound like the heart is failing to work. The truth of the matter is that the space around the heart is filling with fluid which, if left untreated, will result in heart failure.

      The basic remedy for CHF is a diuretic of some kind that is tolerated by dogs. As you know, diuretics cause the body to expel lots of liquid which would otherwise be stored in the body. If a pup has CHF then the diuretic med will help by causing his/her body to expel liquid from the body including the fluid that has gathered around the heart.

      Once again, thank you for your reassurance. It does make me feel better.

      For anyone who's never had to make that decision for their best friend I can't even explain just how hard the decision is to make and how completely devastating it is to carry out the plan and put your friend out of his suffering. The problem is that we can use the mildest language to describe this but the nuts and bolts of it is that you've got to kill your dog for his own good.

      Anyway, thanks again to you guys for the support, it does make a difference. Funny thing is that it's been 3 years since that day and it's still so fresh in my memory that it's almost unreal.

      Cheers guys,
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    Oh yeah - there's a lot of fluid in congestive heart failure. Lungs fill up, too. You can use diuretics and kill the dog with loss of potassium and other minerals that get washed out with the water. I used parsley which has a lot of minerals in it yet is a diuretic so it replaces what is being expelled. Used normal diuretics, too = formosuride or something like that. But I kept it weak and supplemented with parsley. If he started to get coughy or bloated looking I dropped the parsley and gave full strength diuretics and mineral supplements. It's the only way I was able to control the fluid without killing him due to mineral loss. We got a lot more mileage out of him than we should have been able to at his age. I will always remember his last breath, too. But I'm damned glad I was there to hold him on the way out.
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    so cute Rickie, wish eveything is fine
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      Originally Posted by saicou View Post

      so cute Rickie, wish eveything is fine
      Thanks saicou - yes, everything is great! We're all feeling good and getting ready to go on the trip tomorrow.
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    Good job, Sal -- Rickie looks like such a happy boy!

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