Anyone else here into MMA

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I was just wandering if anyone else here was into Mixed Martial Arts.
What are your thoughts about it good, bad or indifferent
And in case anybody cares, the biggest UFC event of the year is happening tonight on pay-per-view. I' ll return to this thread after the fights to talk about it with whomever. Prefight just started...holla

Terry
#mixed martial arts #mma #submission fighting #ufc 92
  • Profile picture of the author John M Kane
    Great fun to watch but, I have a interest in something I could do instead of just watching without needing someone to catch my drool and wipe my hiney because my clock got cleaned way too many times. I also, prefer my ears to not look like puff balls.

    So, I prefer Russian Systema.
    A real situation self defense system anyone can use.

    Google Vladimir Vasiliev and Gen Mikhail Ryabko.
    Also another version would be following the concepts of A. Kadochnikov.
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    • Profile picture of the author D.K. Magnus
      I have the Systema, unfortunately on VHS, so can nolonger study it.

      In the late 70s-early 80s I trained in mixed martial arts, only we didn't call it that. We trained in boxing, kickboxing, small circle jui jitsu and arnis. We were just trying to be better street fighters. Some of the training left me with joint problems, so I thought the Russian Systema would allow me to protect myself without the injuries that resulted from previous hard training.

      Wish I had the systema on DVD. A friend bought it and copied it for me, but it didn't play very well.


      Originally Posted by war28476 View Post

      Great fun to watch but, I have a interest in something I could do instead of just watching without needing someone to catch my drool and wipe my hiney because my clock got cleaned way too many times. I also, prefer my ears to not look like puff balls.

      So, I prefer Russian Systema.
      A real situation self defense system anyone can use.

      Google Vladimir Vasiliev and Gen Mikhail Ryabko.
      Also another version would be following the concepts of A. Kadochnikov.
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    • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
      Originally Posted by war28476 View Post


      So, I prefer Russian Systema.
      A real situation self defense system anyone can use.

      Google Vladimir Vasiliev and Gen Mikhail Ryabko.
      Also another version would be following the concepts of A. Kadochnikov.

      Nice heads-up on that one, did'nt know about this system.

      YouTubed it, looks great, real streetfighting.

      Gotta be on my top ten list, thanks.

      The 13 th Warrior
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      • Profile picture of the author John M Kane
        Originally Posted by The 13 th Warrior View Post

        Nice heads-up on that one, did'nt know about this system.

        YouTubed it, looks great, real streetfighting.

        Gotta be on my top ten list, thanks.

        The 13 th Warrior
        Another great trainer is Scott Sonnon with RMAX.

        A sambo/mma expert but, more importantly he is a world class conditioning coach
        that has lived in Russian and learned RMA too. He is popular for his Clubbell training too.

        By the way, at the RussianMartilArt site they are normally running some kind of deals on training and videos.Now it's any 7 for $135 which is a super deal since the average single is $39.95 each.
        Not an affiliate though I should be as I recommend them often.

        The top school is in Toronto with daily sessions dirt cheap.

        Not yet attended there but, had some training locally where the teachers were taught by Vasiliev and Ryabko.

        Every year they have a one week bootcamp that I dream of attending some time.

        One of the biggest factors is learning to control your fear of pain. Part of it is also learning to take full force punches and recover quickly. The key is proper breathing.
        Fascinating stuff! I'm over 55 so, the bod doesn't recover as fast.

        I recommend water dowsing too. In fact tonight in milwaukee it is around 12 degrees and I'll be out in swim trunks as usual tipping a 5 gallon bucket of water on my head, the water was out all night.
        Probably do it at midnight to celebrate 2009.
        I have a video somewhere of me dowsing in 6" of snow and around 2 degrees.
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        • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
          Originally Posted by war28476 View Post



          Every year they have a one week bootcamp that I dream of attending some time.

          One of the biggest factors is learning to control your fear of pain. Part of it is also learning to take full force punches and recover quickly. The key is proper breathing.

          Nice, I'm gonna look this stuff up.

          Probably 50% + , in my opinion is just that, especially streetfighting, is control of fear and pain.

          Good points, thanks again.

          The 13 th Warrior
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          • Profile picture of the author Li Weng
            Originally Posted by The 13 th Warrior View Post

            Nice, I'm gonna look this stuff up.

            Probably 50% + , in my opinion is just that, especially streetfighting, is control of fear and pain.

            Good points, thanks again.

            The 13 th Warrior

            Exactly. However, I think 90% in a street situation is about the mind,
            especially in a more severe situation.
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            • Profile picture of the author jonb
              Originally Posted by Li Weng View Post

              Exactly. However, I think 90% in a street situation is about the mind,
              especially in a more severe situation.
              Add to that "ego" -- offering to buy the guy who's staring you down a beer rather than escalating and getting into a bar brawl is advanced self-defense, IMHO. So's hightailing it from a street attack rather than trying to be macho and show off your skills.

              I have a black belt in kempo and my ultimate goal is never to use my skills anywhere but my dojo.

              That said, if I or my family were in a real threatening situation that offered no "out", I'll be ready.
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              • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
                Originally Posted by jonb View Post


                Add to that "ego" -- offering to buy the guy who's staring you down a beer rather than escalating and getting into a bar brawl is advanced self-defense, IMHO. So's hightailing it from a street attack rather than trying to be macho and show off your skills.

                I have a black belt in kempo and my ultimate goal is never to use my skills anywhere but my dojo.
                Yep, thats it right there.

                The more skilled I become, the more afraid I will be of using it. Like having a gun and nobody else has one.

                Real skill and proper mindset gives you confidence, peace and supposed to deflate your ego.

                It would be like a 3 year old walking up to you and callin you names, just eject from a irritating situation.

                Pointless to prove anything, unless real physical harm was coming at you.

                Go to jail, miss work, get a record, go to court, pay fines,for what? Some loser?

                Best philosophy is avoid situations and places that have you "go-there" in the first place.

                Like alleys, deserted night streets, rowdy bars, wrong crowds or your friends trouble makin friends, arguments...etc.., avoid even "goin there" before it gets there.

                If a guy is calmly offering someone, who's mad-doggin him, a beer, a tryin to shrug it off or quickly exit the situation, that guy is probably the dangerous guy.

                One guy on a martial art tape said do just about anything to avoid a fight...walk across the other side of the street, get out. No "on-guard" positions or posing. You either do everything possible to get out of the situation, or if there is no way out and it is determined there will be a fight, just blast and end it quickly, no warning.

                Either fight or get away, no in-between.

                The 13 th Warrior
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                • Profile picture of the author D.K. Magnus
                  That is what I meant when I wrote that the JuJitsu I trained in was as much a mindset as a fighting style.


                  Originally Posted by The 13 th Warrior View Post

                  One guy on a martial art tape said do just about anything to avoid a fight...walk across the other side of the street, get out. No "on-guard" positions or posing. You either do everything possible to get out of the situation, or if there is no way out and it is determined there will be a fight, just blast and end it quickly, no warning.

                  Either fight or get away, no in-between.

                  The 13 th Warrior
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  • Profile picture of the author cj9253
    I unfortunetly am working right now and am not able to watch tonight. I'm a little upset. I will catch the replay. I usually goto the bar and watch it there for free. Well the beer isn't free.
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    Kewl - I'm 40 but wanna start training - then when I'm an old codger no yunguns can kick my butt
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Brian
    I'm glad Silva is knocked out by Rampage.
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  • Profile picture of the author Li Weng
    MMA is the shit.

    Can someone explain how you can use ONLY jujitsu against multiple attackers in a street situation?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dhira
      Originally Posted by Li Weng View Post

      MMA is the shit.

      Can someone explain how you can use ONLY jujitsu against multiple attackers in a street situation?
      You can't.
      Period.

      Standup only... and Run-Fu when you can lol.

      I moderate an MMA forum (which also has an off-topic forum) if you're interested:
      SPladdle MMA
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      Tell em K-Dub-"T" sent you.

      We have little predict the fights contests there. I picked most of the fights last night (as you can see on there) but boy....I was waaaaaay off on Mir & Rampage.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Brock
        I love MMA!

        I train in it 3 times a week (just to keep fit; not to fight).

        I totally had Silva down for a win; oh well!

        Sadly I haven't seen any UFC or MMA since the late '90's but I still catch up with the results on the UFC website.

        Anyone in the UK know of a way I can watch UFC over here? I can't find it anywhere on TV?!
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    • Profile picture of the author ninja newbie
      Originally Posted by Li Weng View Post

      MMA is the shit.

      Can someone explain how you can use ONLY jujitsu against multiple attackers in a street situation?
      I wouldn't attempt any type of ground moves vs. more than one attacker now Muay Thai, Shotokan or Kung Fu (especially the flying thru the air variety) You might have a chance of survival, unless they have guns
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      • Profile picture of the author kumar
        Does anyone have any experience with Krav Maga? Which is more effective in a street fight situation, Russian Martial Arts or Krav Maga (or any other)?
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    • Profile picture of the author D.K. Magnus
      First of all, what style of Jujitsu are we talking about?

      Some styles are as much a mindset, as a fighting system.

      And yes, one of the things we trained in was coming up off the ground and running after being thrown. Out doors on the hard ground, you have to know how to take a fall.


      Originally Posted by Li Weng View Post

      MMA is the shit.

      Can someone explain how you can use ONLY jujitsu against multiple attackers in a street situation?
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      • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
        Originally Posted by D.K. Magnus View Post



        And yes, one of the things we trained in was coming up off the ground and running after being thrown. Out doors on the hard ground, you have to know how to take a fall.
        Good going. Very smart.

        Ground skills are good to have, but in the street, you have to avoid it.

        While you fighting with one dude, 4 dudes out the crowd that you did'nt know were his friends or homies start stomping you.

        While you are wrestling with one and the others are stomping you, one of them pulls out a knife and starts shanking you.

        Because there is no such thing as "ground fighting multiple opponents who fight dirty" martial art, yeah, get up fast and run, grab any weapon, take them out one by run as you run or simply out run them all.

        Especially since you don't know how many and where his buds are at.

        I once seen a guy running in school trying to avoid some dudes, and 70 yards away in front of him, some dude just clocks him........he did'nt even know what was happening but since it was his boys, he helped and sided with them without question or reason.

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        • Profile picture of the author Li Weng
          Originally Posted by The 13 th Warrior View Post

          Ground skills are good to have, but in the street, you have to avoid it.
          True. Brazilian jujitsu is nothing but a sport. It's effective for competition,
          but a fast way to kill yourself in the streets.
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          • Profile picture of the author D.K. Magnus
            Yea I wasn't talking about Brazillion Jujitsu and ground fighting. The style I trained involved alot more throwing, pressure points and jointlocks. Alot more of a streetfighting style combined with kickboxing and boxing.

            Originally Posted by Li Weng View Post

            True. Brazilian jujitsu is nothing but a sport. It's effective for competition,
            but a fast way to kill yourself in the streets.
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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Ellis
            Originally Posted by Li Weng View Post

            True. Brazilian jujitsu is nothing but a sport. It's effective for competition,
            but a fast way to kill yourself in the streets.
            I agree and disagree. Let me explain...

            I grew up very close to Detroit. I actually had a lot of family in Detroit... If you're talking about the streets of Detroit, then I'm with you (I agree), they just pull a gun and shoot ya. Forget the kung-fu mumbo jumbo.

            However, in less gun-happy parts of the world, most physical fights end up on the ground, and a person trained in BJJ is MUCH MUCH more likely to end the fight since BJJ heavily consists of ground training.
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            • Profile picture of the author D.K. Magnus
              I agree.

              A guy I workout with, went to jail after using the BJJ in a street fight, after it went to the ground. Which he won.

              Cops use to use rear naked chokes all the time on the street.

              I also know some bouncers that use rear naked chokes, to control people.
              So there are times when it works.

              I have also seen alot of street fights turn into wrestling matchs after the first couple of punches were thrown.

              When I trained, I always believed that if my life was endangered enough to fight, I wanted every advantage.

              Fist, Stick, Knife, Gun!


              Originally Posted by Michael Ellis View Post

              I agree and disagree. Let me explain...

              I grew up very close to Detroit. I actually had a lot of family in Detroit... If you're talking about the streets of Detroit, then I'm with you (I agree), they just pull a gun and shoot ya. Forget the kung-fu mumbo jumbo.

              However, in less gun-happy parts of the world, most physical fights end up on the ground, and a person trained in BJJ is MUCH MUCH more likely to end the fight since BJJ heavily consists of ground training.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I studied Modern Arnis because you don't need a lot of strength. But later on I met Al Decascos and he taught me a mix of arts. He has a name for his art, which I can't remember to save my life, but he used to work out with Bruce Lee and they pretty muchly integrated moves from a lot of arts. Al also was good about teaching people to fight in street clothes. Face it, if you get attacked people aren't gonna wait for you to put on a ghee. You might have a karate background and a hell of a high kick, but if your jeans are tight enough you aren't kicking anyone in the face unless they are already on their knees.

    So yeah - Mixed arts are the way to go. Of course, it doesn't hurt to have a few bullets handy just in case, eh?
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    • Profile picture of the author xplicit702
      I live here in Las Vegas, the capitol of UFC and I can't even go see a live fight. Ticket prices are just outrageous.
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    • Profile picture of the author D.K. Magnus
      Sal,

      Did you ever train with Master Remy Presas?

      He use to put on Modern Arnis seminars in Flint.

      Still have my sticks.

      My kids think I crazy, when I get them out.

      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I studied Modern Arnis because you don't need a lot of strength. But later on I met Al Decascos and he taught me a mix of arts. He has a name for his art, which I can't remember to save my life, but he used to work out with Bruce Lee and they pretty muchly integrated moves from a lot of arts. Al also was good about teaching people to fight in street clothes. Face it, if you get attacked people aren't gonna wait for you to put on a ghee. You might have a karate background and a hell of a high kick, but if your jeans are tight enough you aren't kicking anyone in the face unless they are already on their knees.

      So yeah - Mixed arts are the way to go. Of course, it doesn't hurt to have a few bullets handy just in case, eh?
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by D.K. Magnus View Post

        Sal,

        Did you ever train with Master Remy Presas?

        He use to put on Modern Arnis seminars in Flint.

        Still have my sticks.

        My kids think I crazy, when I get them out.
        No, I didn't have that pleasure. I didn't take classes, my instructor came to my home to teach me. I didn't want to play with belts or registrations - just wanted to be able to stop attackers in their tracks. I did see Remy once though and he was pretty awesome. Tim, my instructor studied under him and was chosen to go study under someone who was a leader in the field down in the Philippines. I really don't follow the arts. Learned what I needed to and that was about it - other than my personal friendship with Al who taught me a lot of beside the beaten track stuff.

        My sticks are gone now - so is my blow gun. It seems my ex had a problem with them. Hmmm. Wonder what that was all about.
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    Muay Thai is very popular in new zealand and ozzie. Many of the MMA schools here will teach Muay Thai and jujitsu separately then have a MMA class also.

    Problem is I really screwed my neck in the army. Dont want to be put in any neck holds.
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  • Profile picture of the author ninja newbie
    Hey I finally got around to posting my review of UFC 92, you can go check it out on my new blog:
    The Octagon
    I'm really interested in what you guys think about it, so please come back here and give me some feedback. Good, bad or indifferent.

    Thanks guys,

    Terry
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  • Profile picture of the author Francis Ochoco
    I haven't had a tv in years but since getting married a couple of months ago and moving in with my wife who likes to watch tv, its hard not to watch tv and get hooked onto some show.

    And the one thing i've gotten hooked onto is UFC. Thats the only thing i'll watch on tv right now.

    MMA rocks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Suthan M
    i play Left4dead on PC .. of course, its not kickboxing, but hey, i am working my muscles.. Same thing ..


    ...

    ok, maybe not
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