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Censorship and the Warrior Forums

by artwebster
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http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/40289-ive-been-among-internet-marketers-toooooo-long.html#post369734

This is the url from my browser window of a post I made earlier today giving a very sarcastic view of what passes for 'sales material' and a 'marketing email'.

The post was, admittedly, fascetious but it made my point in the most direct and unmistakable manner.

What a pity that it was arbitrarily deleted - I would have liked to see what the warriors are made of when it comes to defending the indefensible.

It seems that they are allowed to use such rubbish as I have parrodied - but are not allowed to comment on it or justify it.

Hardly the stance of a warrior?
#censorship
  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    The link is dead, artwebster. I agree with you though. Since users have become the moderators it seems that all they are good for is finding offense in what is being said - and anything that does not agree with their point of view offends them. Any discussion with any heat or meat is deleted.

    There's a lot of trash on the market - always has been and always will be. As long as anyone can click on the net and build a business there will always be scammers, crooks, and just those who aren't able to create anything of real value. They will lose in the end and the rest will just keep right on doing what they do with brief intervals of listening to some tweak that can't write at a competent 7th grader's level crying about not getting their articles accepted by EA. The only thing that has changed is that the inept masses can now shut up those who notice. Guess if we aren't allowed to call a spade a spade no one will notice that a spade is a spade, LOL. The OT has just gotten slammed with censorship because a few couldn't handle that political discussions get hot either.

    If we ignore the issues that cause discomfort to some, they will just go away doncha know, so don't worry. Deletion is much easier than education and action.

    I would like to see if posts are being monitored by a self serving few who have appointed themselves the thought police here. I think it would be a good idea to show "posts reported" on the sidebar along with thanks and thanked. Would be interesting for sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author artwebster
    Hi, Sal,

    Since my post was a straight forward mockery of several sales emails, I can only assume that the writers of this trash recognised the source of my irritation was themselves and that they have a vested interest in ensuring that their market for these emails is protected so that they can continue to rip people off by rehashing and reselling them.

    I did not realise that members could simply delete anything which did not fit into their idea of exploiting the forum and that the generally accepted principal of free speech is subject to repeal by closed and anonymous minds.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I did not realise that members could simply delete anything which did not fit into their idea of exploiting the forum and that the generally accepted principal of free speech is subject to repeal by closed and anonymous minds.
      Well - that just means you didn't read the rules. The forum is member moderated. Don't know what you posted as I didn't read it but if it was just something making fun of IM practices - how useful was it?

      This forum has nothing at all to do with "freedom of speech" - it's privately owned and the owner sets the rules. It's not a democracy and a deleted thread indicates several members thought the thread was in poor taste or unsuited to a marketing forum.

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      • Profile picture of the author artwebster
        Hi, Kay,

        So - no matter how true or relevant the message - if it doesn't fit in with the over hyped crapology of internet marketer rip offs, you can delete it.

        You're right.

        This is not a democracy - it is a dictatorship.

        Incidentally - what is the value of any post if it can be deleted before anybody reads it except the person who is terrified that their behaviour can be held to ridicule by the simple expedient of observation and exposition?
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        • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
          Originally Posted by artwebster View Post

          This is not a democracy - it is a dictatorship.
          I didn't see your post, but when Allen sees your comment above, you'd better run for the caves.

          Also once you understand that the board is self moderated, and that it takes several people reporting your post to have it deleted, you won't use the word 'arbitrarily' like you did in your first post.

          Like I said, run.
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          • Profile picture of the author artwebster
            Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

            I didn't see your post, but when Allen sees your comment above, you'd better run for the caves.

            Also once you understand that the board is self moderated, and that it takes several people reporting your post to have it deleted, you won't use the word 'arbitrarily' like you did in your first post.

            Like I said, run.
            Should I run because I hold an honest opinion and am prepared to state and defend it - or should I run because, in a dictatorship, that is the wise thing to do?

            I do not see that a forum moderated by 'several' people who neither understand parody nor identify themselves or give reasons for their actions is of any value except to sycophants and 'Yay' sayers.

            This is called the Warrior Forum. Obviously a misnomer or a blatant attempt to attract members by false pretences. In either case there is obviously no room for open and free discussion and I made a grave mistake in thinking that there was.

            How sad that it is accepted that posts can simply be erased. Does nobody find it strange that the efforts expended to introduce a topic or respond to a topic can be wasted simply because of uninformed and unexplained prejudice?

            Allen, if this is your forum, I am very saddened that a stultifying level of intolerance is entertained here but I do thank you for giving me one more opportunity to see the blind prejudice and ignorance that is trying to hold down those who can formulate a thought, express it and wait vainly for a lively and informed discussion.

            Just a bit of advice. Your members are the life blood of this community. many of them are articulate and knowledgeable. Don't patronise them by letting them be shielded from an alternative view because THAT is what forums are all about. Alternatives.

            Also, don't have the idea promulgated that you are some sort of ogre that will react with uncontrollable violence simply because someone has the temerity to think differently.

            I shall not run for the caves, figuratively or otherwise, but I will stand my ground and defend my beliefs so am obviously not "Warrior Forum" material.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    It takes more than one person reporting to get a post deleted, AW. I'm not sure how many exactly, but more than one.

    Some people miss the art of parody and sarcasm, so don't be surprised when those posts get deleted. Your post may have been extremely useful in pointing out how not to do things - it's hard to judge if its not there to read. But there were those who wanted to get it off of there. Whether you were just ganged up on by the guilty who don't want to be faced down, or whether you actually slipped up with your approach will just have to remain a mystery. I'm sure you'll figure it out if you take an honest look at what you said. Then just relax either way - we've all had posts deleted, even when we had real moderators instead of possies of silencers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Sal's right - we've all had posts deleted. Most of us just move on - and a few get bent out of shape (and some of them have been here quite a while).

      It's just no biggie - I expect you may have listed the person's name or other identifier - which is a no-no.

      And, yes, it is a dictatorship - and the dictator is an honest one with loads of patience - and he owns the joint. So we behave ourselves as guests here (most of the time).

      Or we rant a bit - and then get over it.

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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    I don't know which one to pick-absolutely terrified, I never listen to anyone else, or I expect the mods to protect me from them.
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    I cant choose any of those answers - they all suck
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    • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
      Originally Posted by gareth View Post

      I cant choose any of those answers - they all suck

      Shouldn't this post be in the "Suck" thread in the main forum?
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Wilkinson
    I don't know who made up the responses for the poll but
    I didn't see a simple "NO" available.

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  • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
    Originally Posted by artwebster View Post

    I do not see that a forum moderated by 'several' people who neither understand parody nor identify themselves or give reasons for their actions is of any value except to sycophants and 'Yay' sayers.

    This is called the Warrior Forum. Obviously a misnomer or a blatant attempt to attract members by false pretences. In either case there is obviously no room for open and free discussion and I made a grave mistake in thinking that there was.

    How sad that it is accepted that posts can simply be erased. Does nobody find it strange that the efforts expended to introduce a topic or respond to a topic can be wasted simply because of uninformed and unexplained prejudice?

    Allen, if this is your forum, I am very saddened that a stultifying level of intolerance is entertained here but I do thank you for giving me one more opportunity to see the blind prejudice and ignorance that is trying to hold down those who can formulate a thought, express it and wait vainly for a lively and informed discussion.

    Just a bit of advice. Your members are the life blood of this community. many of them are articulate and knowledgeable. Don't patronise them by letting them be shielded from an alternative view because THAT is what forums are all about. Alternatives.

    Also, don't have the idea promulgated that you are some sort of ogre that will react with uncontrollable violence simply because someone has the temerity to think differently.

    I shall not run for the caves, figuratively or otherwise, but I will stand my ground and defend my beliefs so am obviously not "Warrior Forum" material.
    Are we talking about Armageddon here, or just about you getting 1 of your 30 posts deleted by longtime members who might better understand what belongs on this board?

    I will admit, you're an elegant crybaby. But a crybaby, is a crybaby.
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    • Profile picture of the author artwebster
      Hi, John,

      Pretences is spelt with an 's' and a 'c' unless you have adopted the American way of spelling, which I have not.

      We are not talking about Armageddon here, simply the sheer waste of effort by forum members who see their posts deleted for no stated reason by no recorded moderator and my incredulity that this is allowed to happen.

      Your comment about a crybaby is the sort of veiled insult that I would normally take offence at but, in view of the apparent level of resignation in these boards, I will accept that acknowledgement of my 'eloquence' (even though I only use the most basic English) ameliorates it.

      As I said, I am obviously not Warrior Forum material. Nobody who feels arbitrary censorship is against the interest of the membership belongs here.

      I would be as scathing if the post had belonged to somebody else - as members of other forums could attest.

      Moderation does not equate to censorship except, apparently, in these boards.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
        Originally Posted by artwebster View Post

        We are not talking about Armageddon here, simply the sheer waste of effort by forum members who see their posts deleted for no stated reason by no recorded moderator and my incredulity that this is allowed to happen.

        Your comment about a crybaby is the sort of veiled insult that I would normally take offense at but, in view of the apparent level of resignation in these boards, I will accept that acknowledgement of my 'eloquence' (even though I only use the most basic English) ameliorates it.

        As I said, I am obviously not Warrior Forum material. Nobody who feels arbitrary censorship is against the interest of the membership belongs here.

        I would be as scathing if the post had belonged to somebody else - as members of other forums could attest.

        Moderation does not equate to censorship except, apparently, in these boards.
        Art,

        You are right about pretenses. I did not realize the spelling could go either way.

        As for your censorship comments, I think you will have to define arbitrary censorship more thoroughly so I can understand what you mean when you say it.

        If you mean censorship merely because members disagreed with your opinions or arguments, then you are assuming something that may not be accurate.

        By labeling it as arbitrary censorship, you place full responsibility for its deletion on the people reading it, rather than on what you wrote.

        I did not read your deleted post so I have no idea what you said in it. But like it or not, your post, and you the poster, may be responsible for its deletion.
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  • Profile picture of the author artwebster
    Arbitrary - based on uninformed opinion or prejudice.

    I did not read your deleted post so I have no idea what you said in it. But like it or not, your post, and you the poster, may be responsible for its deletion.

    This is the whole point of my comment!

    What would be a more convincing indication that I was wrong than several articulate rebuttals?

    Doesn't a fearful 4 o'clock knock indicate that the censor is aware that the action taken is not worthy of merit? Are you not grown up enough to make your own decisions? Is the membership, here, some sort of mentally challenged cheer leader group?

    In the middle ages a serf would tug his forelock and say 'Yes, sire' to any demand his lord and master made of him - even if it was to agree that he should give up his livelihood?

    It seems the implacable censors/moderators of these boards carry the same weight of authority.
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