internet access basic need?

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should internet access/connection be considered as a basic need world wide?

what's your take on that? :confused:
  • Profile picture of the author mongsky
    i guess so
    with the current means of communication, lifestyle, etc.
    i think it could be considered.
    but world wide, may be not yet.
    there are some countries that doesn't even have a carrier/provider of internet yet
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  • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
    Nope, in some countries, there isnt even clean water to drink.. so internet access is a whole different ball game..
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      • Profile picture of the author Tashi Mortier
        I'd say it depends on the country you're in. Of course, if you don't know where your next meal is going to come from, Internet is one of the least of your worries.

        But in the more developed countries it has become almost natural to have an e-mail address etc. Fax is really on its last breath.

        Also, for many jobs having basic computer knowledge is a must. I guess that's why many employment agencies over here offer computer courses and Internet terminals. This way you can search for your job online.

        On another account, I don't like the idea of the so-called "Three Strikes" model the governments want to introduce. They see this as a way to kill copyright infringements - first you get a warning letter, then they cut your Internet connection temporarily, and then permanently.

        I don't think that any person should be denied Internet access if she can afford it... Especially since with the "Three Strikes" model, there is no court, no formal investigation involved, everything's based on private companies.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Nope. Basic needs are the minimum things needed for survival. Food, water, shelter, oxygen. As Yasir said, there isn't even clean water in some places. Nor enough food. Nor does everyone have shelter.

    If access was a basic need, then so would a computer be. How far to you want to stretch that rubber band? Printer? Scanner? External storage? Automated backups?
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  • Profile picture of the author albertosm
    i agree, internet as a basic need is a long shot.
    you wont die if you don't have internet.
    for me, basic need means things that are necessary to live, like food, water, shelter
    it's just my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    There is NO way it is a basic need! BESIDES, if it WERE a basic need, IMAGINE! That means they need a laptop(~$250+), high speed mobile bandwiidth(~$70/month), electricity, heat, A/C, And perhaps an xtra $100/year!

    SO $350+($840)+ who knows... OK, that is over $1190/YEAR! If the people in the US want this, GREAT! THOSE that want it can pay the over $392,700,000,000 it will cost! REMEMBER guys! I did NOT include the heat, A/C, or increased infrastructure needs! The cost could EASILY be quadruple that!

    I figure if it is a basic need, they should pay for it for EVERYONE! You CAN'T have reliable access without mobile broadband. BELIEVE ME, I KNOW! And you CAN'T use it without computers! And computers WON'T work reliably in the hotest or coldest climates, so you must control the temperature somewhat. Check it out, EVERYTHING has an operating temperature! You may not know this because the cold side is one where you would be very cold, and the hot would be very hot, but remember, we are talking MOBILE HERE! And you DO need power!

    Everyone talks like "OH, its only $20/month, and demand will drive the price down". WRONG on BOTH counts! $20 might be ok for dialup but not much else. And demand means infrastructure must INCREASE which could drive prices HIGHER!

    And WHO pays for the computers kids break, etc... And IMAGINE the SPAM! The next step is that all should have their own website, and THEN we can see the intranet devolve into a piece of worthless garbage. HELL, it is ALREADY happening. Bring a couple billion more into it, and it will just get worse, and FASTER!

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author pickthat apple
    Originally Posted by philipf View Post

    should internet access/connection be considered as a basic need world wide?

    what's your take on that? :confused:
    It is not a basic need to survive, but it makes it a hell of a lot easier to bring water, food, shelter and cheerfullness where needed,
    but ONLY if you are SO INCLINED.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      No - shelter and food are basic needs. Owning stuff and receiving services is not required for survival - thus not basic needs.
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  • Profile picture of the author iidesu
    of course not. like someone mentioned above, Food, water, shelter, oxygen, these things are the real necessities that really matter. As for Internet access, it's just a bonus and another tool for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by curtainsandblind View Post

    Worldwide is not yet.
    There IS worldwide access!!!!!! YEP, you can go the the farthest regions of alaska or africa, with NO power, NO cell phone, NO telephone, etc... and STILL have internet! Ever see "Jungle to jungle"? The guy is in such a place, and communicates with his office via sattelite. And that is only ONE way that currently exists.

    Of course, it IS expensive! It probably costs about what cell phones used to. Still, it is NOT a basic need!

    OH YEAH, I forgot, if it WERE a basic need, we would ALSO need a world language! Let's see... Current contenders are:

    1. English
    2. Spanish
    3. Arabic
    4. Hindi
    5. Chinese

    OK lets exclude ones that are harder to read EVEN if you know the alphabet... OK, we are down to TWO!

    1. English
    2. Spanish

    OK, lets't exclude ones that aren't financially viable, and aren't as popular....

    1. ENGLISH!

    I would say that EVEN if spanish were my native language! And CERTAINLY if I spoke any other.

    OK, so NOW the world needs to speak ENGLISH to survive, and as a basic need. SO, before we give the world free access, have them learn English, and translate the non english sites! After all, to all the NON native english speakers here.... TELL THE TRUTH..... Would this site have ANY value to you if you couldn't understand English?

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  • Profile picture of the author jagbani
    yeah absolutely in today time internet is a basic need after food,
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by jagbani View Post

      yeah absolutely in today time internet is a basic need after food,
      OK, I couldn't help but notice that you deal with punjabi and urdu. How many useful sites are even in punjabi or urdu? HECK, there may even be people there that don't even know what the internet is, let alone have access.

      so would you be willing to give up transportation and shelter to pay for access for a few dozen people in your community?
      After all, you said it was more important.

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author horowitzz
        I dont think they should add Internet to the 3 basic needs of humans any time soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author RokDot
    Not really a basic need, i mean if you're an IMer and have no internet, then it is a basic need, but for 3rd world countries, no it isn't a need at all. I think they'd be happier with a home, clean water and food.
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  • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
    Hell no it's not a basic need.

    You need food, water, oxygen, protection from the hazards of nature, and maybe a tablet of paper and some pens.
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  • Profile picture of the author M A Kay
    I believe it can still be considered "wants". We are on internet age but some part of a certain country does not have yet the internet...its a nice question thanks for posting
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    We should have TWO tax categories. People that consider this a basic need can pay that other HIGHER tax! I have some needs basic to ME that I must delay, or go without, sometimes at great personal expense of health and sanity, JUST so I can pay for the OTHER garbage.

    And internet IS a basic need for ME, because people expect me to have it for my BUSINESS and BUSINESSES play garbage tricks that I have to use the internet for etc.... The SAME thing necessitates me having a phone, email address, car, etc.... But I must pay for all that for MYSELF! HEY, does anyone here want to pay the approximately $3930+/month I have to pay JUST for the BUSINESS I am in? All that is is the additional room, transportation, and communication. It doesn't even cover the rest, like my mortgage, car, or food. HEY, maybe you can just pay me that tax free, and I can quit! No THAT'S a thought!

    NOW, as for the basic internet and email? Well, EVERY US visitor, resident and/or citizen has access to FREE internet through the library! They can go THERE! And GOOGLE provides free email for EVERYONE!

    And what of a credit card Do you consider THAT a basic need? Don't forget, the WORLD got into a major problem PRIMARILY because so many considered a home mortgage a BASIC NEED! You can speak of derivatives all you wan't, but the problem wouldn't have occurred if the average person could afford it.

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author emilyjohn
    Not now we can say internet as a basic need,there are some countries who have no concept of internet but we can say it is very important and widely used in all over the world.
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  • Profile picture of the author greetal
    As for me internet is a basic need for every one..because it is good for surfing , Watching movies and music hearing effectively..We can learn a lot..More over we are
    express our thoughts in this thread is only because of Internet ....
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by greetal View Post

      As for me internet is a basic need for every one..because it is good for surfing
      Get a surf board and become a surf bum! It is BETTER for surfing! You are saying that wasting time is a basic need? HEY, wasting time is FREE! NO INTERNET NEEDED!

      Originally Posted by greetal View Post

      Watching movies
      Stand on a street corner! OK, NOW you are saying MOVIES is a basic need?

      Originally Posted by greetal View Post

      music hearing effectively
      AGAIN, stand on a street corner. I mean if you can't even understand the website, it is all the same. Should we pay them a few thousand a year to buy songs ALSO? So yu are sayng SONGS are a basic need?



      Originally Posted by greetal View Post

      We can learn a lot
      Not if you can't even understand the website! HEY, ever hear of bootstrapping? EVERY primate has done it! YEP, they have EVEN caught CHIMPS doing it! To a degree, ants do it. Do you think ants nests just magically appear?

      Let the people learn enough and, knowing that, get the internet THEMSELVES! If they can't do THAT, you can't argue that they can "learn a lot". Did YOU notice that this was like the FOURTH item in your list? I'm surprised you didn't include games and social sites before this!

      Originally Posted by greetal View Post

      More over we are
      express our thoughts in this thread is only because of Internet ....
      WOW, you mean that all those events I read about, and was told about NEVER happened? OH YEAH, I wasn't ever told about those things! THAT was BEFORE the internet was open, and BEFORE the WWW! And nobody could have TOLD me anything, for the same reason. THAT means I was never able to study computers, or even work most of my jobs. OK, I must be BROKE! In fact, I guess I can't read or write because THAT was before the internet opened up! THAT was LONG before the WWW.

      So they can't have an internet, because computers can't exist and the internet can't exist, and no info for it can exist!

      HEY, you just proved the whole idea of this being a basic need is a fallacy because, if it were true, we would not even be able to discuss it!

      And HEY, if I am BROKE and can get cable internet, EVDO, and FREE internet that is in various places, then I guess we don't need to worrry about it ANYWAY! On the other hand, if I am NOT broke, than I like EVERY known primate, and probably every other creature, managed to bootstrap. HECK, even COMPUTERS have to do that, but IT people call it BOOTING. So why don't we let THEM? It is a PROVEN FACT that giving creatures basic desires that they otherwise must work to get HINDERS and even STOPS learning!

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Grant
    Hi, yeah i think so. What with all the changes going on around the World at the moment, the internet is the only way to stay in touch up to the minute.
    My 2 cents worth.
    Hey i tell you what, where would we all be right now if it was'nt for the net.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Rob Grant View Post

      Hi, yeah i think so. What with all the changes going on around the World at the moment, the internet is the only way to stay in touch up to the minute.
      My 2 cents worth.
      Hey i tell you what, where would we all be right now if it was'nt for the net.
      AGAIN, most of the world has limited access EVEN if they have the connection, computer, etc... ANYWAY! And do we REALLY even care what happens in zimbabwe? No offense to THEM, they could say the same about US! Gee, did YOU know about this? Mugabe's Cancer News Spotlights Fear for Zimbabwe's Future - TIME

      So why don't you make a trillion dollars in the stock market, and pay for it all? It isn't hard if you have all the info.

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author addison84
    Food
    Shelter
    Clothing are necessities of life. that's really simple thing. why you're involving internet access in necessity.
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