Technology Ruined Music?

14 years ago

Original version was erased and replaced with new and not so beautiful/entertaining to hear which for some is such a disgusting one...It is much better to retain the same as what it is..

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Steven Wagenheim 14 years ago

It's not so much the technology as it is appealing to the masses.

The record companies make music that they THINK the public wants. I'm sure
they have their ways of determining this (kind of like the Nielson ratings) and
based on their data, they "can produce" this stuff that makes you want to
take your radio and chuck it into the trash.

But it's not the technology. I use the same technology to create my own
music, some of which has gotten some nice compliments. It's what you do
with the technology that makes something good or bad.

It's kind of what they say about guns. Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
And if they didn't have guns, they'd find something else to use.

Truth be told, there was bad music LONG before the technology we have
today.

What the technology HAS done however is made it easier for any Tom, Dick
or Harry with a PC to slap something together. Most of these people wouldn't
have been able to do this 30 years ago. As a result, we have more junk.

But we also have more good music too from people who DO have talent
but couldn't have gotten their music to the masses 30 years ago.

It all balances out.

What you're hearing is a cultural change.

It would have happened even if we were still living in the age of 4 track
recorders and tape.
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dcristo

14 years ago

I think what your saying is total crap. All I listen to is electronic music, have been for 10+ years. Just because its made with software and computers doesn't mean it can't be good. However, because everyone and their dog can make electronic music, there is a lot of crap out there. Then there is also music which appeals to the masses and music which appeals to a more niche crowd. Technology and sites like youtube has made it possible to listen to good music, if you know where to look.

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hardraysnight 14 years ago

Technology ruined music?

Yeah yeah yeah

no guitar = no good
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GGurls

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dcristo

I think what your saying is total crap. All I listen to is electronic music, have been for 10+ years. Just because its made with software and computers doesn't mean it can't be good. However, because everyone and their dog can make electronic music, there is a lot of crap out there. Then there is also music which appeals to the masses and music which appeals to a more niche crowd. Technology and sites like youtube has made it possible to listen to good music, if you know where to look.

LOL you just proved my point! Technology ruined music, it's too readily available...

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dcristo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by GGurls

LOL you just proved my point! Technology ruined music, it's too readily available...

You didn't prove anything. I don't listen to mainstream electronic music. It's actually really difficult finding a night club that would play the music I like listening to.

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hardraysnight

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dcristo

You didn't prove anything. I don't listen to mainstream electronic music. It's actually really difficult finding a night club that would play the music I like listening to.

take your ipod

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dcristo 14 years ago

Originally Posted by oncewerewarriors

take your ipod

lol not such a good look.
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  Dennis Gaskill 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by GGurls
  
  LOL you just proved my point! Technology ruined music, it's too readily available...
  
  That's like saying hamburgers ruined food because hamburgers are available everywhere. :rolleyes:
  
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  thunderbird 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim
  
  The ignorance of some people amazes me.
  
  Who are you referring to? If me, I'll accept that. I am ignorant -- not as in bad attitude, but that the encyclopedia of what I don't know would be vastly more huge than of what I do know.
  
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  mariahbrent 14 years ago
  
  I wouldn't really say technology is what ruined (some) music today. It still depends on the wielder of the weapon right? technology can be a real boost when used by people who knows their thing.:confused:
  
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lgibbon Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by GGurls

Technology ruined music,

You must be joking Lol.
Music only started in the 80's
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dcristo

14 years ago

or you could listen to electronic music with guitar elements such as

Envio - For You (The Blizzard Remix) - YouTube

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hardraysnight 14 years ago

Originally Posted by dcristo

or you could listen to electronic music with guitar elements such as

Envio - For You (The Blizzard Remix) - YouTube

Do not need to as there is enough real music to listen to, nice thought, thanks

At a push, sooner listen to guitar music with electronic elements. Duran Duran were fun
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dcristo

14 years ago

I guess we beg to differ on what is real music. Besides, you shouldn't say you do not need to, sounds a bit narrow minded, don't you think?

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hardraysnight 14 years ago

Originally Posted by dcristo

I guess we beg to differ on what is real music. Besides, you shouldn't say you do not need to, sounds a bit narrow minded, don't you think?

I do not think, I know, I am narrow minded when it comes to music

Only three kinds of music, like women, the good, the bad and the ugly
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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

There is all kinds of good music being made today, you just have to know where to find it. For my tastes, it's not on mainstream radio, but I haven't been a "mainstream" kind of guy since I was teenager.

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Tashi Mortier

14 years ago

Well... I partially agree - it's funny how many auto-tuned singers are out there that just can't sing at all.

But on the other hand, I'm a big fan of electronic music, listening mostly to Trance, Hands Up and Happy Hardcore. I really like to listen to fast music while working and researching, it somehow accelerates my brain

.

I like to listen at how the songs were made, too, there is a difference between a good composer / DJ and somebody who just got "Magix Music Maker" and went ahead and produced a few somethings.

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dcristo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Tashi Mortier

But on the other hand, I'm a big fan of electronic music, listening mostly to Trance, Hands Up and Happy Hardcore.

I thought all de Germans listened to Gabba

There isn't much Happy Hardcore coming out of Germany, or is there?

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Tashi Mortier

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dcristo

I thought all de Germans listened to Gabba

There isn't much Happy Hardcore coming out of Germany, or is there?

I listen to Digitally Imported <gg> I guess in my case it's more like Digitally Re-Imported

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Frank Donovan

14 years ago

Dennis,

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I still listen to and appreciate most of the music from my youth: the Beatles, Led Zep, Steppenwolf, Deep Purple, etc. I can't imagine being 70 years old and wanting to listen to Korn and some of these other bands that seem to try to find the worst voice they can to front them. It doesn't seem like much of the sound of today will be lasting, but maybe that's just my age or my belief that vocals shouldn't sound like demons screaming in agony.

I feel the same way, but I think that's due, at least in part, to the role that music played in our lives during our formative years.

When I was a teenager, the music I listened to and the artists I followed defined who I was (in my own mind, anyway

) - and it was pretty much an all-encompassing interest. We had few, if any, alternative outlets for the release of our creative energy or anything like the number of competing distractions that are offered to the current generation; so it's natural that those memories retain their importance for us.

Regarding the technology question in the OP - that's only a relevant factor in the production and distribution processes. Good music still requires creative talent - perhaps more so today - if it's going to stand out in a crowded market.

It's also worth remembering that recorded music originally came about as an inferior means of reproducing the live performance. That notion was turned around - thanks to technology - to the extent that many musicians spent all their time in recording studios and often produced music so "technical" that it couldn't be accurately recreated on stage. :rolleyes:

What's interesting now, is to note how the recorded product can be obtained cheaply or even for free, while the cost of attending a live event has soared in recent years - with no shortage of willing customers.

Maybe the answer to the rise of technology is to get out and experience more live performances. But wherever the technology is heading, I can't help feeling that music will be the ultimate winner.

Frank

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thunderbird

14 years ago

I am actually happy to see the democratization of music, freed by technology. Irrespective of how the technology came to be and developed, whether via military research or college software hackers or inner city house parties, technology makes music production more accessible, music more interactive, and that is great in my book. You don't have to just passively listen to what the "man" plays for you. The era of being subservient to what record companies produce and djs play when it comes to sharing music is over, and good riddance. As someone once said, I don't recall who or where, you don't have to play like Mozart or sing like a nightingale to benefit from music. And you no longer have to just be a b*tch who passively listens to it.

(heh heh heh. Enjoyed that insincere rant, yeh heh heh heh heh!)

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SEO Direct

14 years ago

Technology has expanded music far beyond our wildest imaginations. If we don't move forward and adapt to technology, we can never evolve.

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Originally Posted by SEO Direct

Technology has expanded music far beyond our wildest imaginations. If we don't move forward and adapt to technology, we can never evolve.

But you sure save on the power bill
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seasoned

14 years ago

Technology has made music sound BETTER, NOT worse!

The problem is that technology made it easier, cheaper, easier to sell and collect money for. Such things *********NEVER********* happen without being followed by a bunch of idiot charlatans! It has affectd EVERY industry you could think to name. Seriously, I don't think you could name an industry it has not affected.

And you ALWAYS have idiots that think making people nude, or dressing them up like school kids, or making their voice weird with something like "autotune", etc.... will make more people like it. Was that done BECAUSE of technology? NO! It was done because it was so easy for them to try and get in big.

I bet a LOT of your favorite songs owe their existence to modern technology, especially if they were produced in the last couple hundred years.

Steve

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IceMustang

14 years ago

Get out of the mainstream and start listening to some more underground type of music. There's even good mainstream music to be had out there that shows true artistry (Mumford and Sons, Cee-Lo Green, etc).

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aluminum

14 years ago

I actually agree with the OP. All of this auto tune and stuff like that is really getting on my nerves. There is still a lot of good modern music, but there is more crappy music nowadays which seems to be overplayed.

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thunderbird

14 years ago

Originally Posted by aluminum

I actually agree with the OP. All of this auto tune and stuff like that is really getting on my nerves. There is still a lot of good modern music, but there is more crappy music nowadays which seems to be overplayed.

Auto-tuning is certainly a disturbing development. An interesting development at the same time. I plan to record dogs barking, then autotune it to Mozart's, "The Queen of the Night Aria."

Blaming technology for what music the masses consume strikes me as misplaced. The very creation of musical instruments demands advanced technology. Try making a violin, then tell me that science and technology isn't involved.

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BrianMcLeod

14 years ago

Funny, my '63 Strat sounds just like it always did - doesn't seem to care about technology at all.

My fingers don't seem to either...

One thing I can say with confidence is that if Brian Wilson or John Lennon were 20 today, they'd certainly be pushing ProTools to its limits...

Our classics were the new technology of their day.

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod

Funny, my '63 Strat sounds just like it always did - doesn't seem to care about technology at all.

My fingers don't seem to either...

One thing I can say with confidence is that if Brian Wilson or John Lennon were 20 today, they'd certainly be pushing ProTools to its limits...

Our classics were the new technology of their day.

Brian, people want to blame technology because they refuse to believe that
many of today's musicians (and I use that term loosely) simply have no talent.

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

On the other hand, and despite what I said earlier ... there is a lot of "crappy" music out there these days. More of it than ever, in my opinion, because making music has become easier and listeners tastes have become less discriminating.

Of course, that's just my opinion, but it seems to me talent, work ethic, and taste aren't as important as they used to be. That has little to do with electronics though, more of a sign of the times, although I can't tell you what it means.

I still listen to and appreciate most of the music from my youth: the Beatles, Led Zep, Steppenwolf, Deep Purple, etc. I can't imagine being 70 years old and wanting to listen to Korn and some of these other bands that seem to try to find the worst voice they can to front them. It doesn't seem like much of the sound of today will be lasting, but maybe that's just my age or my belief that vocals shouldn't sound like demons screaming in agony.

Then too, maybe it's sign of the times. Throw away music for a world heading in the wrong direction?

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thunderbird

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Of course, that's just my opinion, but it seems to me talent, work ethic, and taste aren't as important as the used to be. <snip>

You can't really fake it now any more than you could in the past. In a lot of ways it is harder to fake it, since it can be instantly broadcast all over the web.

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

You can't really fake it now any more than you could in the past. In a lot of ways it is harder to fake it, since it can be instantly broadcast all over the web.

I think you've misunderstood what I was saying, or I you. Perhaps I didn't explain myself well, but I didn't say anything about faking it. I said, "...making music has become easier and listeners tastes have become less discriminating."

Music is easier to make because the editing equipment is more sophisticated. A "band" doesn't have to practice endlessly. Pitch can be changed, timing can be stretched or contracted, etc., all with software that only costs a few hundred dollars. One person can be a whole band now.

Tastes are subjective, of course, but when harmony is no longer a requirement and growling the lyrics replaces singing, it speaks to a lower standard nowadays, IMO.

Now that you've mentioned faking it, and upon further examination, when a cross in a jar of urine passes as art and growling passes as singing, yeah, I do think you can fake it in the arts nowadays. The speed of the broadcast media has nothing to do with a lack of consumer discrimination.

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thunderbird

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I think you've misunderstood what I was saying, or I you. Perhaps I didn't explain myself well, but I didn't say anything about faking it. I said, "...making music has become easier and listeners tastes have become less discriminating."
<snip>

OK. I don't agree. I believe what's happening here is a disparity between generations. A taste difference. With greater exposure via Internet, listeners are probably more discriminating in a lot of ways and *less* easily impressed.

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

OK. I don't agree. I believe what's happening here is a disparity between generations. A taste difference. With greater exposure via Internet, listeners are probably more discriminating in a lot of ways and *less* easily impressed.

A taste difference is obvious. That's what the conversation is about.

Ha ha, we could go round and round all day on this. Less easily impressed? Or less easily impressed by sophistication and harmony, and more easily impressed with course noise, raw power, and naked simpiclity?

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

On the other hand, and despite what I said earlier ... there is a lot of "crappy" music out there these days. More of it than ever, in my opinion, because making music has become easier and listeners tastes have become less discriminating.

Of course, that's just my opinion, but it seems to me talent, work ethic, and taste aren't as important as the used to be. That has little to do with electronics though, more of a sign of the times, although I can't tell you what it means.

I still listen to and appreciate most of the music from my youth: the Beatles, Led Zep, Steppenwolf, Deep Purple, etc. I can't imagine being 70 years old and wanting to listen to Korn and some of these other bands that seem to try to find the worst voice they can to front them. It doesn't seem like much of the sound of today will be lasting, but maybe that's just my age or my belief that vocals shouldn't sound like demons screaming in agony.

Then too, maybe it's sign of the times. Throw away music for a world heading in the wrong direction?

Dennis, I couldn't have said it better. I don't get the screaming "demon from
hell" vocals either. But then again, my parents didn't get Led Zep.

Maybe we ARE getting old.

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hardraysnight

14 years ago

Too many people spend too much time classifying, reading and talking about music instead of listening to it

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dcristo 14 years ago

Originally Posted by oncewerewarriors

Too many people spend too much time classifying, reading and talking about music instead of listening to it

If you didn't read this thread about electronic music, you wouldn't have been aware about real music. Talking about it is not all bad bro.

Originally Posted by Tashi Mortier

I listen to Digitally Imported <gg> I guess in my case it's more like Digitally Re-Imported

Its ok but the music they play on this internet radio station is old stuff.
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  [QUOTE=dcristo;4593630]If you didn't read this thread about electronic music, you wouldn't have been aware about real music. Talking about it is not all bad bro.
  
  i was aware of real music from a very early age. My father loved and still loves the Beatles. 'Psssst, wanna buy a Beatles vinyl bootleg.' oh i forgot... bro.
  
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juninhop

14 years ago

Originally Posted by GGurls

I think so... I can't appreciate any music made nowadays from rap to country because it's not real to me.. it's all computer made... what do you think? (Especially rap... rap just suck nowadays)

I think its just a matter of opinion and personal preference. I myself am thankful for technological advancement because as fan of electronic music, it has helped the growth of the genre.

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GGurls

14 years ago

Originally Posted by juninhop

I think its just a matter of opinion and personal preference. I myself am thankful for technological advancement because as fan of electronic music, it has helped the growth of the genre.

Well since you're a fan of electronic music of course you'd appreciate the advances in technology for music. That's what electronic music is right?

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Roaddog

14 years ago

Technology is the math of the mind,
music the math of the soul.
Guess which one will be there,
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dagaul101

14 years ago

Music hasn't been the same since the offset of technology for good or for bad

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albertosm

14 years ago

i like the music before, just plane old instruments and a singer's voice.
now a days, it's all covered up in computer synthesizer and all that crap
even in concerts and show's the lip sync.
the music industry is going towards the profit side of music

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Aviator Joe

14 years ago

Completely not true. There's plenty of good electronic music out there and plenty of emerging artists if you're not limited by MTV or your local radio.

Regarding the rap statement, again, not true. Lot's of good artists are staying true to the genre, not many of them are mainstream, however.

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dcristo

14 years ago

If the OP is representative of the mainstream's taste in music, then its not surprising mainstream music is so popular lol.

Get some of this into ya...

Under The Waves - Pendulum - Immersion - YouTube

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Fazal Mayar

14 years ago

my opinion is that albums and cd's are gone because of online mp3 and etc. Also, a big part of music of today is too modern and doesnt encourage us good values while it was the case in the past but there is still a lot of good music out there. I doubt technology ruined music at all

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