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Who has any predictions on this NFL season?

Don't think I'm wagering on this season...too many last minute trades ...although I think that Pittsburgh will surprise some people this year.

So I'll probably just have to take the ribbin' if I lose.
Better than losing money, I guess:p
  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    I'm in a "pick 'em" league so I picked the games every week. It's not fantasy football, you just pick the winner of each game each week. Then you assign points, 1-16 to each game. Give the game your most confident of your pick a 16, least confident pick gets a 1, and the rest are somewhere in between as you see fit. Good fun.
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      I'm in a "pick 'em" league so I picked the games every week. It's not fantasy football, you just pick the winner of each game each week. Then you assign points, 1-16 to each game. Give the game your most confident of your pick a 16, least confident pick gets a 1, and the rest are somewhere in between as you see fit. Good fun.

      Sooo, is that the Vikings@16 for the season?

      Or too early to tell?....
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

        Sooo, is that the Vikings@16 for the season?

        Or too early to tell?....
        To early to tell for a lot of teams, actually. With the lockout wiping out mini-camps and the OTA's, new coaches didn't have near as much time to install their systems and rookies didn't have as much time to adjust.

        I play 'em one week at a time. Are you a Vikings fan? I did give that game the 16 points this week ... but I picked the Chargers. lol, sorry about that.
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        • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          To early to tell for a lot of teams, actually. With the lockout wiping out mini-camps and the OTA's, new coaches didn't have near as much time to install their systems and rookies didn't have as much time to adjust.

          I play 'em one week at a time. Are you a Vikings fan? I did give that game the 16 points this week ... but I picked the Chargers. lol, sorry about that.

          I agree, well put...
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        • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          To early to tell for a lot of teams, actually. With the lockout wiping out mini-camps and the OTA's, new coaches didn't have near as much time to install their systems and rookies didn't have as much time to adjust.

          I play 'em one week at a time. Are you a Vikings fan? I did give that game the 16 points this week ... but I picked the Chargers. lol, sorry about that.

          For some reason I thought you were.

          I agree with your assessment...



          Game of the weekend is Pitt and Baltimore.

          I'll take the Steelers.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
            Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

            For some reason I thought you were.

            I agree with your assessment...



            Game of the weekend is Pitt and Baltimore.

            I'll take the Steelers.
            Nope, I'm green and gold through and through.

            The Ravens/Steelers game I thought was the hardest pick this week. I took the Ravens only because they're the home team, but I only put one point on it -- no confidence in that pick at all! lol
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            • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
              Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

              Nope, I'm green and gold through and through.

              The Ravens/Steelers game I thought was the hardest pick this week. I took the Ravens only because they're the home team, but I only put one point on it -- no confidence in that pick at all! lol
              Aaah well... don't pay any attention to my brain farts.


              It is one of the hardest picks...I'm of the 'club' that believe three points is given for home team. Safety net for books, opinion of course, but not just mine.

              It is close, but the points have dropped (for Pitts) a little, only by half point (mostly). Edit: 1&1/2 now...

              I like this (Pittsburgh) team and it's a close game...it is what makes it fun.

              Don't know whether I like chewin on the remote control in the fourth or not...:p
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

            For some reason I thought you were.

            I agree with your assessment...



            Game of the weekend is Pitt and Baltimore.

            I'll take the Steelers.
            Hey Jim...Technically you're correct, but only because Broncos/Raiders in on Monday and not the weekend.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Originally Posted by erjdavis View Post

    If interested in wagering on the games check out sportsnprofits .com for advice.
    Thanks bunches...would this be your site?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    I think these will be the teams that are improved and may surpise some:

    Houston Texans - They should be healthy and getting Wade Phillips as DC their D should be instantly improved. Plus, the Colts losing Manning for any period of time only helps the Texans.

    My Denver Broncos - I don't think they are a playoff team, but they will improve on their 4-12 record of last year. Rookie Von Miller, the second player drafted this past year looks like the real deal. This kid is QUICK off the line. We also get Elvis Dumervil back who missed all of last year and he looks better than ever. Elvis lead the NFL in sacks the year before, but with him out the Broncos were last in sacks last year. With Dumervil and Miller, the Broncos should have 20 more sacks this year than last, which should mean some more wins. Remember "Doom and Gloom". Plus, our first string out-played every other first string in the preseason by a big margin...But our scrubs got killed. If we stay healthy we can compete...If we lose many starters, it will be another long season.

    Redskins - They're in a tough division, but I'm a Shanahan fan and it looks like they've upgraded their D-line a lot in the offseason. And having another camp for Shanny to install his run game, plus getting RB Hightower, looks like reasons to be postive.

    I think the Raiders will take a step or two back. They lost gallery and Zach Miller, and although they replaced Miller with Boss from the NYG, I think Miller is a much better player. And Da Raidahs have looked plain awful in the preseason.

    I also don't think the Chiefs will repeat their 10-6 record of last year and will take a step backwards. They have the first place schedule this year and won't surprise anyone.

    The Bungles will lead the "Suck for Luck" race and finish with the worst record in the NFL, dooming Andrew Luck to be condemned playing for the Bungles.

    Hey Jim...I don't think the Steelers will surprise anyone...They are my favorite to make it to the Superbowl and have been 2 out of the last 3 years.
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      I think these will be the teams that are improved and may surpise some:

      Houston Texans - They should be healthy and getting Wade Phillips as DC their D should be instantly improved. Plus, the Colts losing Manning for any period of time only helps the Texans.

      My Denver Broncos - I don't think they are a playoff team, but they will improve on their 4-12 record of last year. Rookie Von Miller, the second player drafted this past year looks like the real deal. This kid is QUICK off the line. We also get Elvis Dumervil back who missed all of last year and he looks better than ever. Elvis lead the NFL in sacks the year before, but with him out the Broncos were last in sacks last year. With Dumervil and Miller, the Broncos should have 20 more sacks this year than last, which should mean some more wins. Remember "Doom and Gloom". Plus, our first string out-played every other first string in the preseason by a big margin...But our scrubs got killed. If we stay healthy we can compete...If we lose many starters, it will be another long season.

      Redskins - They're in a tough division, but I'm a Shanahan fan and it looks like they've upgraded their D-line a lot in the offseason. And having another camp for Shanny to install his run game, plus getting RB Hightower, looks like reasons to be postive.

      I think the Raiders will take a step or two back. They lost gallery and Zach Miller, and although they replaced Miller with Boss from the NYG, I think Miller is a much better player. And Da Raidahs have looked plain awful in the preseason.

      I also don't think the Chiefs will repeat their 10-6 record of last year and will take a step backwards. They have the first place schedule this year and won't surprise anyone.

      The Bungles will lead the "Suck for Luck" race and finish with the worst record in the NFL, dooming Andrew Luck to be condemned playing for the Bungles.

      Hey Jim...I don't think the Steelers will surprise anyone...They are my favorite to make it to the Superbowl and have been 2 out of the last 3 years.

      The odds have San Dog, Philly and Green Bay ahead of Pittsburgh to win the Superbowl. (Also New England,(@#1) which is a given as far as odds go)

      I completely agree on Denver getting better and the Raiders getting worse.
      The other teams you mention I haven't paid much attention to.

      I give you a lot of credit for not trying to say The Broncos are ready for the playoffs.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

        The odds have San Dog, Philly and Green Bay ahead of Pittsburgh to win the Superbowl. (Also New England,(@#1) which is a given as far as odds go), just seems a little strange.

        I completely agree on Denver getting better and the Raiders getting worse.
        The other teams you mention I haven't paid much attention to.

        I give you a lot of credit for not trying to say The Broncos are ready for the playoffs.
        How could I forget that the Raiduhs also lost Nnamdi Asomugha too? His loss is a big reason the Raiduhs couldn't stop anyone in preseason.
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    Of course I'll be watching Denver go all the way this year. lol. I have hope for a better season, maybe even a play-off appearance now that we aren't in a total rebuilding stage again this season.

    Division-wide I'll also be keeping my eye on San Diego. In a perfect world the Bolt's will put on a good show EARLY in the season, but I wouldn't put my money on that.

    The biggest question I have is where do the Jets sit in the AFC this year? They come "oh so close" but never get to the big one. They also have an emotionally charged game Sunday night in prime-time so you better believe they are going to put it all on the line against Dallas. How they fall after that is anybody's guess.

    I would like to see Shanahan turn things around in Washington, and if he can establish the run they could be a force to be reckoned with this year.

    Can't wait for the season to start!
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    yea, get them to opt in.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    My Colts will make the playoffs this year - once again, despite Payton missing a few games.


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    • Profile picture of the author reboot38
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      My Colts will make the playoffs this year - once again, despite Payton missing a few games.
      I hope you're right...

      I saw on the news today that Peyton went to Europe for some type of stem cell treatment not allowed in the US. Doesn't seem like your "average" (whatever that is) injury.

      Regardless...best QB in the NFL. On and off the field!!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author Andie
        Originally Posted by Meyerbytes View Post

        I hope you're right...

        I saw on the news today that Peyton went to Europe for some type of stem cell treatment not allowed in the US. Doesn't seem like your "average" (whatever that is) injury.

        Regardless...best QB in the NFL. On and off the field!!!!
        Peyton's injury actually is pretty 'average' for normal folks. I had the same cervical disc / fusion surgery he did in my neck half a dozen years ago. It's never been the same since. I, of course, lack the superior specialists and rehab (or his above average health);; so hope his turns out better. Does a real job on the mobility factor tho. Will love to hear if the stem cell treatment proves to be a big plus.....
        While I do wish him well 'health wise'.....it is at least a chance for us Texans to have a shot at the division for once!
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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by Andie View Post

          Peyton's injury actually is pretty 'average' for normal folks. I had the same cervical disc / fusion surgery he did in my neck half a dozen years ago. It's never been the same since. I, of course, lack the superior specialists and rehab (or his above average health);; so hope his turns out better. Does a real job on the mobility factor tho. Will love to hear if the stem cell treatment proves to be a big plus.....
          While I do wish him well 'health wise'.....it is at least a chance for us Texans to have a shot at the division for once!
          Oh yea, I remember you.

          With Tenn rebuilding, this is your big chance to finally win the division.


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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Of course my GreenBay will go all the way. However, the Lions have looked quite impressive so far. I know the pre-season means nothing, but I'm looking for Detroit to make an improvement over last year.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      Of course my GreenBay will go all the way. However, the Lions have looked quite impressive so far. I know the pre-season means nothing, but I'm looking for Detroit to make an improvement over last year.

      You mean OUR Green Bay Packers, right Gary?

      This wouldn't surprise me:

      Green Bay
      Detroit
      Chicago
      Minnesota

      Of course, health is usually a factor, and Stafford hasn't show he can stay healthy for a full season yet. That's not a prediction, by the way, just saying it wouldn't surprise me. My only prediction is that Green Bay wins the division. Of course, they'll probably win the Superbowl again too.
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    • Profile picture of the author whyeyeschoice
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      Of course my GreenBay will go all the way. However, the Lions have looked quite impressive so far. I know the pre-season means nothing, but I'm looking for Detroit to make an improvement over last year.
      I have to agree with Gary...the Green Bay Packers are playing like NFL Superbowl Champs...If you want to be the Super Bowl Champs you have to beat the Champs...Nobody has done it this season YET...My prediction for the 2012 NFL Superbowl Champs......? A repeat....the Green bay Packers to take it again...
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  • Profile picture of the author Doug
    Seeing to this day I haven't quite gotten over the Vikings loss to Miami in Super Bowl VIII I'm really in no position to make predictions, that said, I do have hope that since most of my friends are Green Bay fans, the Vikes can at least put 2 W's up.

    May it be a great NFL season across the board!
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    Denver is all out Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author povchef
    I think everyone seems to have forgotten that this year IS the Seahawks year and everyone else may as well just go home now and save themselves the shame of defeat.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by povchef View Post

      I think everyone seems to have forgotten that this year IS the Seahawks year and everyone else may as well just go home now and save themselves the shame of defeat.

      ------Yep I'm Living the dream here----

      There's a team that got to see Von Miller...Von had 2 1/2 sacks against the Seahawks in about half a game.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Wow...Peyton Manning got another operation on his neck. Is going to be out for a while. I have a feeling TL's Colts will find out that Peyton is the most valuable player in the NFL.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    OK..Fess up, who bet the "under" in tonight's game?
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Wow... way to go Packers! What a fun game to watch... and what a heart-break ending for the Saints. Which makes the victory all the better!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Great game, eh Gary! The Packers look like they have a real gem in Cobb. Heckuva rookie debut -- two touchdowns and tied an NFL record with that 108 yard TD.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Winners today....and Monday

    Pittsburgh....L

    Detroit....W

    Houston....W

    St Louis....L

    San Diego....W

    New York (Jets)....W

    San Francisco....W

    Monday....Denver....L


    no points...8 picks...lets see...


    5 and 3...not great
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      Winners today....and Monday

      Pittsburgh

      Detroit

      Houston

      St Louis

      San Diego

      New York (Jets)

      San Francisco

      Monday....Denver


      no points...8 picks...lets see...
      I'll take Baltimore over Pitt...I think Pittsburgh is the better team overall, but it's a rivalry game and I'll take the home team.

      I'll also take Houston and Denver.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Your picks look like mine, Jim, with two exceptions. I took the Ravens and Tampa Bay. Detroit is a team on the rise if they can keep their quarterback healthy, which they haven't been able to do so far, but they're going to have to prove to me they can win on the road against a good team before I'll pick them in that situation.
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Your picks look like mine, Jim, with two exceptions. I took the Ravens and Tampa Bay. Detroit is a team on the rise if they can keep their quarterback healthy, which they haven't been able to do so far, but they're going to have to prove to me they can win on the road against a good team before I'll pick them in that situation.

      Yea Detroit was my tossup pick...my chance..I was going to go with Miami over NE...but decided that was TOO chancy...lol

      @Kurt...well Balti just had a nice drive and scored...lets see how Pittsburgh answers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Is anyone surprised a Manning-less Indy is getting blown out? I think we'll see a lot of that until he returns, if he returns. It also looks like Kansas City is really as bad as they looked in the preseason. Biggest surprise of the day so far ... Baltimore blowing out the Steelers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    I'm 2-0 going into MNF tomorrow.

    Also, my "step up teams", Skins and Texans won, while my step back team KC lost..So those general predictions came through, at least for the first week.

    MNF has a actual pick (Boncos) and a step up team (Broncos) and a step back team (Raiders).

    After a full day of NFL and drinking beer, I'm guessing Jim's been passed out for a couple of hours by now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      I'm 2-0 going into MNF tomorrow.

      Also, my "step up teams", Skins and Texans won, while my step back team KC lost..So those general predictions came through, at least for the first week.

      MNF has a actual pick (Boncos) and a step up team (Broncos) and a step back team (Raiders).

      After a full day of NFL and drinking beer, I'm guessing Jim's been passed out for a couple of hours by now.

      Yea right, think you're talking to the Beav here?...:p

      I'm 5 and 2...I marked it in post 33. Not my finest, but if we can get the Bronco's to show up tomorrow...I'll be 6 and 2. Slightly more acceptable.

      Philly wins and the Pittsburgh Geriatrics lose..Pennsylvania is not my favorite state right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    That Sunday night game was extremely fun to watch - but painful for the Cowboys I'm sure. Cowboys can't seem to get a break.
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  • Profile picture of the author Doran Peck
    I'm excited to see my revamped Broncos on Monday...although I'm kind of surprised that they only kept 3 RB's on the roster...I think thats a big mistake....I thought Jeremiah Johnson was far superior to Lance Ball...but they kept Ball. I've never been impressed with Moreno...yeah he looks like a dynamo going into every season but he ends up being a non-factor game in and game out. For a #12 pick he should have been breaking 100 yard games in his sleep from day one. ...like we used to get from Tatum Bell. Instead he is nothing more than a modern day Sammy Winder

    My money is on Willis M. ...he will claim the main role in the backfield

    Raiders lose by 8.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Doran Peck View Post

      I'm excited to see my revamped Broncos on Monday...although I'm kind of surprised that they only kept 3 RB's on the roster...I think thats a big mistake....I thought Jeremiah Johnson was far superior to Lance Ball...but they kept Ball. I've never been impressed with Moreno...yeah he looks like a dynamo going into every season but he ends up being a non-factor game in and game out. For a #12 pick he should have been breaking 100 yard games in his sleep from day one. ...like we used to get from Tatum Bell. Instead he is nothing more than a modern day Sammy Winder

      My money is on Willis M. ...he will claim the main role in the backfield

      Raiders lose by 8.
      I agree with pretty much everything....

      I think we kept Ball over Jerimiah "Mountain Man" Johnson is because we could put JJ on the practice squad and I don't think Ball has any practice squad eiligibility left, so we could keep both this way.

      "Watch You Talkin' About" Willis Mcgahee looked very good in preseason and may be what we've been missing since Mike Anderson left.

      And I agree with the comparision between Moreno and Winder. Moreno's a better receiver, but Sammy was more durable and better in short yardage, he had a real knack for burrowing under the line to get a tough yard...But they are (were) both a step too slow for being big time RBs. Moreno would have been a good 3rd round pick, but he wasn't the 12th best player in the draft...At the time I wanted Orakpo....And still do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    I'm 9-5 so far for all the games. I thought I was going to do better, but if I get at least one of the remaining two right tomorrow for 10 wins I'll be happy with that for the first week. I picked the Pats and Broncos in the last two games of the week.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Kurt, do you have time to get over to Mile High and have a chit chat with the offense?

    Orten needs to ear a oo.

    Thanks for using one of your inventions to stop the rain tho...nice touch.


    Edit: good job!
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    Yeah your right....
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Go Tampa...that is money, Old Girls pool...I've been picking them this year.
        So far so good...hope she share's the loot.:p
        Sweating Indy's defense tho.
        lLove my Bucs
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        Originally Posted by kia123guy View Post

        Vikings will suck again!
        We gotta can McNabb, he's washed up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    I only watched the second half of the Broncos game, but they reminded me of the 80's Packers teams. They'd play just good enough to give you hope, but not quite good enough to put together a winning season.

    I have two questions for Bronco fans. What happened to the running game? Is Orton the number one quarterback?

    I realize watching one half of one game can give you a distorted view, but from what I saw tonight Orton isn't good enough to carry a team and with no running game to speak of that's what is needed. Although, if Orton didn't fumble away the ball on that pass attempt they might have won.

    That Moreno guy has some quick to him, but isn't he a running back? I guess dumping off passes to him serves as part of the running game?

    New coaching staff though, right? Maybe they just need more time to right the ship. They didn't have the usual off-season to install the new systems.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    9/18/11






    Detroit...W

    Jets...W

    Baltimore...L

    Cleveland...W

    Pittsburgh....W

    Green Bay...W

    New England....W

    Miami...L

    Denver...W

    Eagles (added 14:45 PST)....L

    Giants...W


    8 and 3...little better than last week.
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      9/18/11






      Detroit...W

      Jets...W

      Baltimore...L

      Cleveland...W

      Pittsburgh....W

      Green Bay...W

      New England....W

      Miami...L

      Denver...W

      Eagles (added 14:45 PST)....L

      Giants...W

      8 and 3...little better than last week.


      That guy Robinson the CB from Atlanta should be suspended for the rest of the season..heard they fined him 40 grand today...like last year, 50 grand.

      Baltimore surprised me.

      Philly beat themselves.

      Till next week then...
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        IMO, this is a "Must Game" for Orton. If the Broncos lose their first two at home including the Bengals, the "Orton gives us the best chance to win" line of reasoning has a serious flaw...We're something like 5-19 in Orton's last games as a starter.
        Did they run the ball any better in the second game? Orton isn't the kind of quarterback who can win games without a decent running game to keep defenses honest.

        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        BTW, Dumervil and Champ Bailey, Denver's two best players, are out for the Bengals game.

        I think I need to find a bandwagon to jump on.
        If you do, the Packers have a pretty nice bandwagon.

        Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

        That guy Robinson the CB from Atlanta should be suspended for the rest of the season..heard they fined him 40 grand today...like last year 50 grand.

        Baltimore surprised me.

        Philly beat themselves.
        I agree with you on Dunta Robinson. Baltimore might have been a little too happy about whooping the Steelers. I picked the Falcons, so I was happy to see Philly blow it. Can't really blame it on losing Vick either. His replacement went 8 for 9 passing. He did OK.

        The Packers suffered a big blow today. Pro-bowl safety Nick Collins is out for the year with a neck injury. It happened on a stupid fluke play. Didn't look bad when it happened, but the neck can be a touchy area.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          Did they run the ball any better in the second game? Orton isn't the kind of quarterback who can win games without a decent running game to keep defenses honest.
          The Broncos did run a bit better...Knowshon Moreno was out, just sayin'...

          I suggest you guys take the "other" team for at least the next 5 weeks against my Broncos. They have an extremely tough schedule and are missing a bunch of key players.

          We really needed to win both of these first two games at home to get off to a good start. Splitting them wasn't good enough. As a Bronco fan, I have a feeling we're in for a bad stretch unless we can get some serious lucky breaks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Let's go:
    Detroit
    Pitt
    Wash
    Denver

    And the fans in Denver aren't shouting "T-E-B-O-W", they're shouting "J-I-M!...J-I-M!".
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Let's go:
      Detroit
      Pitt
      Wash
      Denver

      And the fans in Denver aren't shouting "T-E-B-O-W", they're shouting "J-I-M!...J-I-M!".
      Show's there is a little class in Denver yet...

      Noticed I bet against San Dog today?...s'why I'm staying home...
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

        Show's there is a little class in Denver yet...

        Noticed I bet against San Dog today?...s'why I'm staying home...
        The billboard guys aren't even from Denver. They're from Kentucky, FLA and Ohio. They've been getting "roasted" here in Colorado.

        I never know what to make of the Chargers. I'll guess that they'll play a close game and just come up short.

        IMO, this is a "Must Game" for Orton. If the Broncos lose their first two at home including the Bengals, the "Orton gives us the best chance to win" line of reasoning has a serious flaw...We're something like 5-19 in Orton's last games as a starter.

        On the other hand...With all the politics with the Denver fans, this team may be better off playing on the road...
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        • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          The billboard guys aren't even from Denver. They're from Kentucky, FLA and Ohio. They've been getting "roasted" here in Colorado.

          I never know what to make of the Chargers. I'll guess that they'll play a close game and just come up short.

          IMO, this is a "Must Game" for Orton. If the Broncos lose their first two at home including the Bengals, the "Orton gives us the best chance to win" line of reasoning has a serious flaw...We're something like 5-19 in Orton's last games as a starter.

          On the other hand...With all the politics with the Denver fans, this team may be better off playing on the road...

          Yea I read that, was kind of wondering what the actual reaction was there.

          Almost 100% of the time you have to live in the city to get the actual (straight) news from there and most of the time the very neighborhood.

          Orton does it again and I don't think anyone will need billboards.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

            Yea I read that, was kind of wondering what the actual reaction was there.

            Almost 100% of the time you have to live in the city to get the actual (straight) news from there and most of the time the very neighborhood.

            Orton does it again and I don't think anyone will need billboards.
            Tebow is a strange situation. He has so many of his own fans that are his fans first and Bronco fans second. Then you have people here that are Bronco fans first.

            I like Tebow and want to see him start. I don't know if he'll ever be any good, but like most true Bronco fans, we know Orton is 5-19 and if we're going to lose, lets do it with Tebow who is at least exciting.

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          My Cardinals are going all the way!

          Kolb and Fitzgerald are like white on rice. Then we've got that monster Todd Heap, and Beanie Wells has been performing much better.

          ( It's nice to dream anyway.. ) Kind of like Bronco fans thinking Tebow will be a first-stringer. LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Let's go:
      Detroit
      Pitt
      Wash
      Denver

      I just was rereading this (sober..) and noticed you were 4 for 4.

      Congrats, Kurt
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    BTW, Dumervil and Champ Bailey, Denver's two best players, are out for the Bengals game.

    I think I need to find a bandwagon to jump on.
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      I wish we'd start playing in the first half
      Still 24-20
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    My Colts will have to bite the bullet for the season - if Payton does not return soon.

    Surprise of the season??

    Detroit & Buffalo are undefeated and they've played two games.

    But will either make the playoffs??????

    Cam Newton.


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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      My Colts will have to bit the bullet for the season - if Payton does not return soon.

      Surprise of the season??

      Detroit & Buffalo are undefeated and they've played two games.

      But will either make the playoffs??????

      Cam Newton.


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      Buffalo I'm not that familiar with, but Detroit has a good chance at the wild card. I'm not going to say they can unseat the Packers in their division. As a Packer fan, I hope not! They've drafted well since they got rid of Matt Millen. They're going to be tough if Stafford can stay healthy. That's a big if though, he's missed games every year with injuries, and the artificial turf at home isn't going to help that any.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andie
    Jim,
    <sniffle>
    You left my Texans 'W' off the list.....<sniffle>
    <sniffle> 2-0 start (again)


    Andie

    edit: oh...that is your pick list...i think i get it LOL
    teach ya to pick fins over my texans (shame)
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  • Profile picture of the author Andie
    Well...that was kinda dumb, Jim
    I mean...Miami doesn't beat anyone at home anyway :-p

    Our true test will come in the superdome @ NO .....we shall see
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    Ok, here's my Giants prediction...

    They will not lose a SINGLE game the rest of the season!






    Nope, not a SINGLE game.





    Probably more like 7 or 8 more. But hey - at least the Jets are exciting this year (so far).

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    • Profile picture of the author Andie
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      Ok, here's my Giants prediction...

      They will not lose a SINGLE game the rest of the season!






      Nope, not a SINGLE game.





      Probably more like 7 or 8 more. But hey - at least the Jets are exciting this year (so far).

      and may all of their 'injuries' be extra-super-mild (aka timely staged) :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Pit
    SD
    Balt
    Oakland
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    • Profile picture of the author SwaggerCoach
      Originally Posted by MarthaMam View Post

      Did you guys see what the Bills did today?
      Why, yes I did.

      Even more shocking:

      Tom Brady throws for 4 interceptions...unbelievable game!
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  • Profile picture of the author Andie
    I am quite perturbed.....right up till that 3rd qtr I thought we might get away with a W even tho it wasn't expected. dammit
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  • Profile picture of the author Kysersoze
    I predict the NY Giants will beat the Philadelphia Eagles and Michael Vick will end up with a broken hand and out of the game. Then he will cry like a baby during the press conference and complain about the refs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andie
      Originally Posted by Kysersoze View Post

      I predict the NY Giants will beat the Philadelphia Eagles and Michael Vick will end up with a broken hand and out of the game. Then he will cry like a baby during the press conference and complain about the refs.

      wow...nice call....so, can ya tell us how Dallas/Wash will go ...preferably before Tues mornin?? :p
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      • Profile picture of the author Kysersoze
        Originally Posted by Andie View Post

        wow...nice call....so, can ya tell us how Dallas/Wash will go ...preferably before Tues mornin?? :p
        LOL sorry Andie I can only predict games held on Sunday lol. I do however need 17 points from TE Witten to win in my fantasy league.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    My Colts fought valiantly against the Steelers and averted a national TV drubbing but victory was not to be had.

    QB Curtis Painter looked pretty good but Kerry Collins remains our best chance to get wins.

    The nightmare season continues.

    - How about the Bills? Buffalo Bill would be proud.

    Coach Chan Gaily is doing a great job.

    I remember when he was with the Cowboys and Jerry Jones had to fire him after singing his praises as long as he could.

    - Jerry Jones paraphrased regarding coach Chan Gaily...

    Chan's a great coach and we support him every step of the way...

    Chan is our future...

    about 3-4 weeks later...

    Chan was fired today.

    BTW...

    Chan will get a chance at revenge when his Bills visit the Cowboys on Sunday, Nov 13th.


    - How about those Lions?

    - Have the Raiders returned?

    - Can Michael Vick stay healthy for at least one game?

    - There's something going on with Andy Reid's teams.

    His teams constantly hurt themselves with stupid behavior.

    Before a Monday night game a couple years ago, one of his players was disqualified from a game because of fighting - before the game.


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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Live By The Blitz Die By The Blitz!

    Last night, very, very late in the game on a 3rd and 21, Redskins' defensive coordinator Jim Hazlett, called for an all out blitz. ( at least 8 men rushing the QB )

    It was a 3rd and 21.

    3RD AND 21.

    His team was ahead by a point and if he had simply played the percentages the Skins would have remained undefeated - IMHO.

    Who converts on a 3rd and 21?

    Instead he dialed up a high risk all out blitz and the skins got burned good and they are no longer undefeated.


    An all out blitz is OK- depending on the situation, like if you want to knock someone out of field goal range but...

    ... if that QB escapes the blitz you shouldn't expect the defensive backs to cover the receivers.

    That's exactly what happened in a most critical situation.

    I've accused Mr. Hanzlett of being too aggressive in the past on his other defensive coordinator assignments.

    Skins coach Mike Shananhan has publicly supported that call by Hanzlett, but I can not believe he has not or will not have a talk with Mr. Hanzlett regarding that call.

    That call snatched defeat from the jaws of a pretty sure victory and if the Skins season takes a turn for the worst that call will be the catalyst - IMHO.

    Mr. **** talker himself, Mr. Deangelo Hall ( who earlier in the week talked of targeting Romo's rib injury )...

    ...was the victimized db on the play and was also called for a 15 yard facemask penalty to turn a 3rd and 21 into a 40 yard gain that put the Cowboys in easy game winning field goal range.

    Mr. Hall didn't like the call by the refs or the coaching staff.

    "Sooner or later, someone's going to (expletive) figure it out," Hall said. "You don't have to be a rocket scientist. ... The end result was a first down."

    Coach Mike Shanahan said it's easy to second-guess everything.

    "We had a chance to have a sack there.

    He did a good job scrambling and made a play," Shanahan said.

    "It happens. That's the nature of the game. It didn't work."


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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Please move the goal posts!

    I know the Canadian end zone is 25 yards deep but something can be done so this won't happen again.


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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      Please move the goal posts!

      I know the Canadian end zone is 25 yards deep but something can be done so this won't happen again.
      Doesn't matter how deep the end zone is when you put a solid obstacle at the front of it, padding or not.

      I hope the kid is OK. I know he walked off the field under his own power, but concussion symptoms, neck problems, and other injuries can take a little time to manifest.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Detroit...W

    New Orleans...W

    St. Louis...L

    Buffalo...L

    Minnesota...L

    Chicago...W

    Pittsburgh...L (Congrats Andie)

    Atlanta....W

    NY Giants...W

    San Diego...W

    Green Bay...W

    New England...late edit...W

    Baltimore...W

    Tampa Bay...W


    All favorites this week except for Detroit...and oh yea Pittsburgh...thanks Andie ...lol
    AAAnd St. Louis...I need a better brand O beer...thanks Dennis.


    I agree with TL, that was one hell of a defensive show Indy did last week.
    Great to see.


    Good to see Kurt at 4 for 4 again...congrats Kurt


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    • Profile picture of the author Andie
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      Detroit

      New Orleans

      St. Louis

      Buffalo

      Minnesota

      Chicago

      Pittsburgh

      Atlanta

      NY Giants

      San Diego

      Green Bay

      Baltimore

      Tampa Bay


      All favorites this week except for Detroit...


      I agree with TL, that was one hell of a defensive show Indy did last week.
      Great to see.


      Good to see Kurt at 4 for 4 again...congrats Kurt

      Jim Jim Jim...
      tsk tsk tsk
      I'll be back tomorrow to say I toldya so
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      Detroit

      New Orleans
      St. Louis
      Buffalo
      Minnesota
      Chicago
      Pittsburgh
      Atlanta
      NY Giants
      San Diego
      Green Bay
      New England...late edit
      Baltimore
      Tampa Bay
      My picks are the same except I took the Redskins and Texans, and I'm not real sure about either one of them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post


      Good to see Kurt at 4 for 4 again...congrats Kurt
      I've been cherry picking the most obvious games...Not every game, but most. I am 11-1 this year so far, which I'll take regardless.

      BTW Jim...You've done well considering you're picking all games. See how easy it is...until you bet real money? LOL

      Here's my 4 "blue plate specials" for this week:

      Green Bay (It kills me to say it. Hope I'm wrong)
      NE
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        I've been cherry picking the most obvious games...Not every game, but most. I am 11-1 this year so far, which I'll take regardless.

        BTW Jim...You've done well considering you're picking all games. See how easy it is...until you bet real money? LOL

        Here's my 4 "blue plate specials" for this week:

        Green Bay (It kills me to say it. Hope I'm wrong)
        NE
        SD
        Balt
        I'm 44-19 so far this year (picking every game). Picked the Bucs for Monday night. Can't believe the Cowboys blew that lead. Worked out well for me though since I picked Detroit. Two undefeated teams left, and both are in the NFC North.
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      • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        I've been cherry picking the most obvious games...Not every game, but most. I am 11-1 this year so far, which I'll take regardless.

        BTW Jim...You've done well considering you're picking all games. See how easy it is...until you bet real money? LO
        L

        Here's my 4 "blue plate specials" for this week:

        Green Bay (It kills me to say it. Hope I'm wrong)
        NE
        SD
        Balt

        Thanks Kurt...and exactly, it's kind of like golf, I've been complemented on my swing and it's all good till I get a ball inna front o me.

        Cherry picking...no kidding?....
        That is how to make the money though.

        Good move not betting on Denver.
        San Diego next week for ya...sorry for another loss, buddy...

        Lions had me sweating... one of only two games I got to watch.

        Go Tampa...that is money, Old Girls pool...I've been picking them this year.
        So far so good...hope she share's the loot.:p
        Sweating Indy's defense tho.

        Dennis...good going, I knew deep inside I shouldn't have bet on St. Louis.

        I feel all right tho...I almost bet on Philly, and then listened to myself.
        I don't know what's up there in Brotherly Loveland.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

          Cherry picking...no kidding?....
          That is how to make the money though.
          It's exactly how to make money. Money management is the key to winning bets.

          Virtually every sports bettor I've even known bets way too many games. There aren't that many good bets in the NFL each week, and some weeks there aren't any good bets.

          I'll take 15-1, especially since I (used to) almost always bet the money line and not the spread.
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    I like Steelrers and Denver. I think Redskins are in a hard devision, but that gives them advantage if they can pull it together, I think their coach has had some time with them now this year they can make some noise in national league...
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    My third straight 4-0 week brings the total to 15-1. I'm going to need to start charging for these picks.

    Notes: Texans MANHANDLED the Steelers, pushed them all over the field. If the Texans didn't shoot themselves in the foot 3-4 times, they would have won by 20+ points.

    And Good Morning Cowboy and Philly fans. Ouch.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      My third straight 4-0 week brings the total to 15-1. I'm going to need to start charging for these picks.

      Notes: Texans MANHANDLED the Steelers, pushed them all over the field. If the Texans didn't shoot themselves in the foot 3-4 times, they would have won by 20+ points.

      And Good Morning Cowboy and Philly fans. Ouch.
      It's usually the Giants blowing the lead.

      I like it when those calls go their way though...
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Tampa, too close for comfort. Penalties anyone?...Tampa received plenty to spare...

    Congrats Thom. That team is almost as scary as Philly to bet on...

    Still in the running for the pool....whew!...
    can't be the same team all regular season.
    This is going to get tougher towards the end of reg season.


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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      Tampa, too close for comfort. Penalties anyone?...Tampa received plenty to spare...

      Congrats Thom. That team is almost as scary as Philly to bet on...

      Still in the running for the pool....whew!...
      can't be the same team all regular season.
      This is going to get tougher towards the end of reg season.
      We will cheat to win
      Like I told a friend last night, those are only the penalties we got caught committing.
      We got ourselves one hell of a quaterback with Freeman.
      Good running back with Blount and a couple good receivers with Williams and Winslow. Offensive line is tight and what can I say about Barber on D.
      We are playoff bound
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  • Profile picture of the author SergioFelix
    Well just wanted to add I just won a small parlay which included:

    NE PATRIOTS (-4.5)
    BAL RAVENS (OV 40.5)
    IND COLTS (+10.5)
    (I was sweating a little bit on this one in the end)

    The bad thing is I only threw $15 at it LOL but I'll try to put a larger one on the next week, see what comes out.

    PS. Last season I had an 8-pick parlay with a $10 bet, made $1500 !!!

    That's the best I have done so far
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  • Profile picture of the author lcombs
    Being a Bungles fan, , I predict the Bungles will not win the Super Bowl.
    (But hey, we'll always have '81 & '89:rolleyes

    However, I've been a Packers fan since '67.
    How bizarre would it be if came down to The Lions and The Pack after last years Packers vs. Bears.

    I think The Pack is still the best team in the league, but, it's awfully to repeat.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sunfyre7896
    While I think that Detroit will now make the playoffs, I'm still not sold that they'll actually continue with their luck and "magic." There's a possibility that they might not make the playoffs, but if they do, I see a first round exit to a better team. They're O-line is aging and is one of the worst in football. His teammates have said that Stafford is a 'China doll' and that could pose an issue for his longevity as he's been hurt the last 2 seasons. They also don't pose a threat on the ground and every good team needs that to be able to pound out tough yards when you need them as well as run clock when you're ahead. They've been playing from behind, but in close games where they're ahead, this could pose a real issue.

    We have seen that Buffalo is another one of those fast start teams that may fizzle out down the stretch. I'm still sticking with my predictions for N.E., Balt., Hou., S.D., and wild cards of NYJ and Pitt in the AFC. In the NFC I'm making a slight change, I'll take G.B., N.O., S.F., NYG, and wild cards of either 2 of these, Tampa, Philly, Atlanta, Detroit, and Dallas. As I've explained above, Detroit has a decent shot, Tampa is probably for sure out of these, Atlanta is improving, Philly is still dangerous, and I'm not giving up on Dallas. They have a bye to get healthy and with a healthy Miles Austin, Dez Bryant, Whitten, and Robinson who proves he can play, I'm seeing too much offense for many teams to cover. It will literally take a secondary like Philly to cover 3 top notch targets and also not forget about Laurent Robinson that has hands, speed, and talent and would be a 2 on an average team and 3 on a good team. Dallas defense is decent as well and improving. We'll see what comes of these in the upcoming weeks.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I hope that Detroit's luck holds out, and we get to watch a battle of the undefeateds on Thanksgiving day.

    And by the way - Hank did use the wrong people in his analogy, but he's not a newscaster. And there's nothing that gets you more psyched up for a game than "Are You Ready For Some Football?" Sung by Hank.

    Plus- The NFL never censored Keith Olbermann on Sunday Night Football. Even when he was putting out a nightly hate filled tirade against the former President.
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      I hope that Detroit's luck holds out, and we get to watch a battle of the undefeateds on Thanksgiving day.

      And by the way - Hank did use the wrong people in his analogy, but he's not a newscaster. And there's nothing that gets you more psyched up for a game than "Are You Ready For Some Football?" Sung by Hank.

      Plus- The NFL never censored Keith Olbermann on Sunday Night Football. Even when he was putting out a nightly hate filled tirade against the former President.
      #1: Different Network.

      ABC/ESPN does not want to be associated with comments like those.

      #2: Keith never stupidly called or alluded to the prez as "Hitler" or called the prez and vice prez "the enemy"...

      ...in his clearly separated MSNBC job.

      ( OK, I'm sure about the Hitler comment but not about the enemy stuff )

      #3: The man IMHO (HW Jr.) is an platitude sprouting oaf...

      .. who's descended from a great singer and talented in his own right and who can afford to be an oaf. ( lucky for him )

      IMHO there's a good chance he may have been high/drunk during this interview with Fox.

      Even the folks at Fox & Friends are clearly taken aback and perplexed by his comments.

      Here's the evidence.

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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Just read that Hank has decided to permanently pull his song from the broadcast...

    Hank Williams Jr.
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      Just read that Hank has decided to permanently pull his song from the broadcast...

      Hank Williams Jr.
      Sure.

      I quit before you fire me.

      TL
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Just saw a news story that the Monday Night Football television share has been falling for a long time. Sunday Night Football has a much bigger audience.
    Through five weeks, “Sunday Night Football” has averaged 23.2 million viewers, up 1% over the same period last season. “Monday Night Football” is averaging 13.1 million viewers, down 11% from last season at this time. ESPN is in almost as many TV households as NBC, so the difference cannot be explained because of that.
    Get it off of ESPN and maybe it will make a comeback.
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  • Profile picture of the author SergioFelix
    Anyone has picks already?

    I'll be sharing mine as soon as I decide on which ones but this week certainly looks very hard to me.
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    fear the bills.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Al Davis passed away. He was a great nemesis of my Broncos for pretty much my entire life time. It will never again be quite the same beating the Raiders.

    RIP Al.
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Al Davis passed away. He was a great nemesis of my Broncos for pretty much my entire life time. It will never again be quite the same beating the Raiders.

      RIP Al.
      That's sad, the end of an era if you were/are a Raiders fan.
      This post by you, Kurt, was actually the first I heard of this earlier this morning.

      Kind of a surprise actually, because he was in his skybox at the last game.
      The shot was at a distance, but you could tell he was frail and pale.

      Can't say I was in agreement with a lot of his decisions over the years, but it was his team and he let everyone know it.

      RIP Al...
      say hello to Alzado and the guy's.


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  • Profile picture of the author pennington33
    I think my Buffalo Bills will make the playoff for the first time snice 99 lol. hope im right about that. But then again ive been saying we will make the playoffs snice 2001 lol R.I.P Al Davis
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    Heard the news that Davis passed away earlier today. Sad news. He was a crazy ol' guy. Obviously an astute businessman or else the Raiders would've gone bankrupt years ago. I'm sure the Raiders will have a new fire lit underneath them and the AFC West should be on high alert--especially my Denver Broncos!

    Btw, I bet Al Michael's feels like a real asshole now.
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    Al was a huge Icon of the NFL, obviously he did become a little too senile as his age caught up to him. But he will still go down as one the top owners.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      I'll keep this simple.
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      • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        I'll keep this simple.
        Bucs
        Bills
        Broncos
        Bengals

        Thom to 'B' or not to 'B'....

        ...wait a minute... Broncos?...
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

          Thom to 'B' or not to 'B'....

          ...wait a minute... Broncos?...
          Shhh, don't tell Kurt, but I've been a closet Broncos fan for years
          Same with the Bengals.
          Bucs have been my main team since their day one.
          Bills have always been my favorite AFC team only because they are the only true NY team.
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          • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
            Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

            Shhh, don't tell Kurt, but I've been a closet Broncos fan for years
            Same with the Bengals.
            Bucs have been my main team since their day one.
            Bills have always been my favorite AFC team only because they are the only true NY team.

            Sorry Thom, for the bad bet, but they are playing San Diego today....:confused:

            There is a new law, that you can't bet on the Broncos when they play San Dog...


            Edit...wow... Minnesota 28 points 1st quarter
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            • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
              Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

              ...wow... Minnesota 28 points 1st quarter
              I had a feeling they'd have a break out game today. With the Cards not being a good road team, it just seemed like the week for them to get their first win . . . if they don't blow another big lead.

              Figured it was time for the Colts to get their first win, too, with KC as awful as they are. When KC's first string guys couldn't beat the Packers 2nd and 3rd string guys, you gotta figure they're going to have a real rough time winning this year.
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              • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
                Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                I had a feeling they'd have a break out game today. With the Cards not being a good road team, it just seemed like the week for them to get their first win . . . if they don't blow another big lead.

                Figured it was time for the Colts to get their first win, too, with KC as awful as they are. When KC's first string guys couldn't beat the Packers 2nd and 3rd string guys, you gotta figure they're going to have a real rough time winning this year.

                Looks like a good call, Dennis. I didn't bet that game.
                I'm winning every game except the Giants right now...just happens to be the money game for Ole Girl...after she gets off work, don't want to hear that all day...lol

                Edit: I am now officially doomed...&*$#*@ Giants
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                • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                  Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

                  Looks like a good call, Dennis. I didn't bet that game.
                  I'm winning every game except the Giants right now...just happens to be the money game for Ole Girl...after she gets off work, don't want to hear that all day...lol

                  Edit: I am now officially doomed...&*$#*@ Giants
                  Good grief! How did Indianapolis blow that big lead? I watched the Brewers beat the Cardinals and the Packers played the Sunday night game so I missed all the day games.

                  Sheesh, when I went down to my mancave to watch the Brewers I think all my teams were winning except maybe one. When the game was over and I checked the scores I was only 8-4. I still fared pretty well against the rest of the league though.

                  I picked the Lions for tonight, but I read today that Obama said the Lions are the "greatest team in the history of the NFL" so I might switch that pick. Apparently his speech writers know little about the NFL.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                    Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                    I picked the Lions for tonight, but I read today that Obama said the Lions are the "greatest team in the history of the NFL" so I might switch that pick. Apparently his speech writers know little about the NFL.
                    Obama is a huge Chicago Bears fan...I'm sure he was joking and just trying to "jinx" the Lions. He knows enough about the NFL to know better and not have to rely on writers. I'd be willing to bet there's some context to him saying that that's been left out.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                      Obama is a huge Chicago Bears fan...I'm sure he was joking and just trying to "jinx" the Lions. He knows enough about the NFL to know better and not have to rely on writers. I'd be willing to bet there's some context to him saying that that's been left out.
                      Hmm . . . you could be right. The article I read didn't provide the context of the comment. I still wouldn't be surprised to see the Bears win this one. You can usually throw the records out for divisional games in this division. I only put 4 points on the Lions, so I didn't have a lot of confidence in that pick when I made it.

                      I'm tied for first with two others for the week. They both picked the Lions too, but put 8 points on them. So, if the Lions win, I fall to fourth (someone else put enough points on them to pass me, too); if the Bears win, I remain tied. However, if I switch to the Bears and they win, so do I. I think I'll have to go for it. Well, thanks for talking me into that.

                      Edit: Too late, the pick is locked.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
                    Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                    Good grief! How did Indianapolis blow that big lead? I watched the Brewers beat the Cardinals and the Packers played the Sunday night game so I missed all the day games. <cut>
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                    Tell me about it, a lot of the favorites played very close or losing games...hell Green Bay had me worried there....Oh well it could be worse...you could be a Tampa Bay fan...:p


                    I don't think that I would bet against Detroit tonight...at home...this season...against Dah Bears.

                    I'll even go Detroit -7...(Vegas)
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                    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

                      Tell me about it, a lot of the favorites played very close or losing games...hell Green Bay had me worried there....Oh well it could be worse...you could be a Tampa Bay fan...:p


                      I don't think that I would bet against Detroit tonight...at home...this season...against Dah Bears.

                      I'll even go Detroit -7...(Vegas)
                      Is it true the San Francisco team wants to change their name to the 48ers?

                      (Sorry Thom...couldn't resist)
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                    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

                      Tell me about it, a lot of the favorites played very close or losing games...hell Green Bay had me worried there....Oh well it could be worse...you could be a Tampa Bay fan...:p


                      I don't think that I would bet against Detroit tonight...at home...this season...against Dah Bears.

                      I'll even go Detroit -7...(Vegas)
                      Detroit is a 7 point favorite?

                      I'm inclined to take the Bears on a money-line bet to win outright.
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                      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                        Is it true the San Francisco team wants to change their name to the 48ers?

                        (Sorry Thom...couldn't resist)
                        Could be worse, could be a Colts fan:rolleyes:

                        Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

                        Tell me about it, a lot of the favorites played very close or losing games...hell Green Bay had me worried there....Oh well it could be worse...you could be a Tampa Bay fan...:p
                        Where's that smiley face given the finger.
                        Never mind Potty will do.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
                      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post


                      I don't think that I would bet against Detroit tonight...at home...this season...against Dah Bears.

                      I'll even go Detroit -7...(Vegas)

                      Oh my mistake...the refs will win this game..they seem to be playing it.
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            • Profile picture of the author ThomM
              Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

              Sorry Thom, for the bad bet, but they are playing San Diego today....:confused:

              There is a new law, that you can't bet on the Broncos when they play San Dog...


              Edit...wow... Minnesota 28 points 1st quarter
              That's OK Jim, I'm usually wrong
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              • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
                Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                That's OK Jim, I'm usually wrong

                Actually, that should be a pretty good game...I'm looking forward to it.

                I always have to wonder how much extra oxygen they have to take with them when they travel up there...

                Thin air and smog (one thing I definitely don't miss from L.A.)
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                • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                  Bills W
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                  Half way there
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                  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
                    Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                    Bills W
                    Bengals W
                    Half way there

                    Thom maybe you could get on your bike and ride down to Florida, and kick them Bucs in the ass...huh?...

                    31 to 3...now 34...now 37...now 41...48 to 3.... night, night Nelly.



                    the humanity...
                    The only one to pick the Niners was Dennis, far as I can see...Congrats Dennis.



                    The Jets seem to be giving The Patriots a good game.

                    and San Dog must have plenty of oxygen up there...:p


                    Uh oh 1 second left 29 / 24.... one more play for Tebow...Fairy tale end?....nooooo San Dog wins...
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                    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

                      Thom maybe you could get on your bike and ride down to Florida, and kick them Bucs in the ass...huh?...

                      31 to 3...now 34...now 37...now 41


                      the humanity...




                      The Jets seem to be giving The Patriots a good game.

                      and San Dog must have plenty of oxygen up there...:p
                      Getting spanked so hard, I can't sit down
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                    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

                      and San Dog must have plenty of oxygen up there...:p


                      Uh oh 1 second left 29 / 24 one more play for tEBOW...Fairy tale end?....nooooo San Dog wins
                      The game got fun once Tebow got in the game....I can't believe the refs called that personal foul, especially with the game on the line the way it was.

                      I think you owe me a pizza for us playing Orton for a half.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
                        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                        The game got fun once Tebow got in the game....I can't believe the refs called that personal foul, especially with the game on the line the way it was.

                        I think you owe me a pizza for us playing Orton for a half.


                        Well, nice comeback, but it was not to be...

                        NO PIZZA For YOU!!!

                        I think Tebow will have a new starting job as of NOW.

                        Freakin kids and dogs and women, I didn't even notice that they had put in Tebow until later...that does it, I'm lockin them all in the closet next week.

                        You do know it's too early in the season for fairy tale endings ...right?

                        That was a much better second half for Denver though.

                        Freakin Giants upset...there goes about 40k out the window... a little too early in the season.

                        I'm outta the pool.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

            Shhh, don't tell Kurt, but I've been a closet Broncos fan for years
            Same with the Bengals.
            Bucs have been my main team since their day one.
            Bills have always been my favorite AFC team only because they are the only true NY team.
            Deep down, everybody is a Bronco fan, even God. If God wasn't a Bronco fan, He wouldn't have made sunsets orange and blue.
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

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      Kind of surprised to see you pick Indy as a cherry pick Kurt.

      But against Kansas in Indy is my bet too.

      The way their defense is playing, they are due for a win, like I said against Kansas in Indy (I thought) was a good bet.

      Painter may end up a halfway decent QB, if he can get rid of the 'jitters' with a little experience.

      I also picked the Giants for 'The Money' this week, even though it's not my money...lol

      Next year it's back down to cherry picking, renew passport,(I miss just showing my drivers license) and Caliente book in TJ for me.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

        Kind of surprised to see you pick Indy as a cherry pick Kurt.

        But against Kansas in Indy is my bet too.

        The way their defense is playing, they are due for a win, like I said against Kansas in Indy (I thought) was a good bet.

        Painter may end up a halfway decent QB, if he can get rid of the 'jitters' with a little experience.

        I also picked the Giants for 'The Money' this week, even though it's not my money...lol

        Next year it's back down to cherry picking, renew passport,(I miss just showing my drivers license) and Caliente book in TJ for me.
        Hey Jim...

        I struggled coming up with a 4th team this week. Indy was my weakest pick. I just think Indy is a veteran team that has to have some pride. In "real life", I probably would have just picked a 3-teamer this week and not picked the Indy game either way.

        I wanted to pick the Texans, but was scared off by the Ghost of Al Davis. Oakland has to be fire up.

        And you need a passport to go to Caliente? When did that start?
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        • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Hey Jim...

          I struggled coming up with a 4th team this week. Indy was my weakest pick. I just think Indy is a veteran team that has to have some pride. In "real life", I probably would have just picked a 3-teamer this week and not picked the Indy game either way.

          I wanted to pick the Texans, but was scared off by the Ghost of Al Davis. Oakland has to be fire up.

          And you need a passport to go to Caliente? When did that start?
          I was kind of surprised to see the odds stay the same on the Oakland game myself.

          It's been roughly three years since an American needs a passport to get back across.

          When that first started, it was delayed for a while.

          So I go down there with 'Miss know it all' one weekend and she's telling me I can still get back across with the D.L., anyway long story short, I walked across, she had her passport and got in, in front of me.
          So dummy me, gets stuck there getting hassled by a customs agent...who just by coincidence I had seen in one of the local watering holes before.

          He hassled me long enough to make it clear on the new law...

          Then when I caught up to her, told her if I ever had to swim the Rio Grande because of her advice, I'd kick er ass... soakin wet.

          She's lived here all her life and knows a lot of customs, border patrol...etc..and that was the only reason I listened to her..

          So yep..that's the way ya have to do it now...since 2009, I believe.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

            I was kind of surprised to see the odds stay the same on the Oakland game myself.

            It's been roughly three years since an American needs a passport to get back across.

            When that first started, it was delayed for a while.

            So I go down there with 'Miss know it all' one weekend and she's telling me I can still get back across with the D.L., anyway long story short, I walked across, she had her passport and got in, in front of me.
            So dummy me, gets stuck there getting hassled by a customs agent...who just by coincidence I had seen in one of the local watering holes before.

            He hassled me long enough to make it clear on the new law...

            Then when I caught up to her, told her if I ever had to swim the Rio Grande because of her advice, I'd kick er ass... soakin wet.

            She's lived here all her life and knows a lot of customs, border patrol...etc..and that was the only reason I listened to her..

            So yep..that's the way ya have to do it now...since 2009, I believe.
            If you're swimming the Rio Grande to get back to SD, you've got some serious problems. I'd be angry too.

            Reminds me of a family friend we had 40 years ago...He'd claim he wasn't a wetback because he waits until winter, then ice skates across the river.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andie
    I *really* wish AL had waited a week to pass....tho I hope he RIP

    but dagnabbit....I am beyond disgusted at how badly my Texans played today and Schaub could have made that final play w/run but didn't follow his instincts fast enough.

    GRRRRRR
    days like this I wish I was a drinker!

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      but dagnabbit....I am beyond disgusted at how badly my Texans played today and Schaub could have made that final play w/run but didn't follow his instincts fast enough.
      Andie...."dagnabbit"?...we will have none of that kind of language, young lady...
      it's
      ***** *** **** jack***** *** ***** ***!

      GRRRRRR
      days like this I wish I was a drinker!
      Don't ever let anyone convince you that it's too late to start...
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      Originally Posted by Andie View Post

      I *really* wish AL had waited a week to pass....tho I hope he RIP

      but dagnabbit....I am beyond disgusted at how badly my Texans played today and Schaub could have made that final play w/run but didn't follow his instincts fast enough.

      GRRRRRR
      days like this I wish I was a drinker!

      Andie
      I wanted to pick the Texans and think they are the better team...But with Al passing away this week, I just couldn't do it. Just bad timing for the Texans...
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      • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
        I have a prediction.

        The Raiders "NOW" have a shot at actually becoming competitive, now that the "the old man" or "The GodFather" is no longer here.

        The thing that made him great is the same thing that imprisoned the competitiveness and championship possibilities of that organization.

        Dude could'nt change or adapt with the times, stuck in the 50's and 60's along with the mousse that kept his pompadour , Elvis hairstyle in place.

        Sometimes, talent and gifts are a two edged sword.


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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    My Colts season from hell continued yesterday.

    Surprises of the week...

    SF absolutely destroying TB, ( take that Thom ) & SEA besting the Giants in the Meadowlands.

    - The Raiders pull out a win over the at home Texans making both teams 3 & 2.

    A fake punt play was key to the victory.

    I guess this one was for Al - Kurt.

    - It was a crazy Sunday in the NFL.

    I have the NFL Redzone channel that watches all NFL games and tries to show all TD's and big plays as they happen.

    There were lots and lots of great, wild and crazy plays yesterday.

    There were lots and lots of boneheaded plays too.

    - My favorite Al Davis quote...

    Before the 1985 Super Bowl against the Skins a reporter explained Skins' coach Joe Gibbs approach to offense which was to....

    ... take what the defense gave them.

    Upon hearing that, Al Davis - in typical Raider fashion replied...

    "We don't take what they give us, we take what we want."

    The Raiders went on to destroy the seemingly invincible Skins 38-9 in another Super Bowl that was over by halftime.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Hey TL...

    Peyton Manning is my favorite NFL player that isn't a Bronco. I thought the rest of the Colts would have some pride and want to prove they aren't a one-man team. Right now, they're proving Manning should have been voted the MVP award every year for the past decade.

    Tom Brady misses the season and the Pats still won 11 games. Manning's out for the season and you have to wonder if the Colts will even win a game. IMO, the Brady vs. Manning debate is now pretty much over.

    The good news is, I watched Stanford beat my Colorado Buffs and Andrew Luck is the real deal. Hopefully the Colts will draft him and trade another Stanford QB to my Broncos? It worked out pretty well for us last time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Hey TL...

      <cut>

      The good news is, I watched Stanford beat my Colorado Buffs and Andrew Luck is the real deal. Hopefully the Colts will draft him and trade another Stanford QB to my Broncos? It worked out pretty well for us last time.

      Your not even going to give Tebow a shot, Kurt?

      Just keep plenty of Gatorade and tissues at the sideline...lol

      I kind of agree with this guy....
      Start Tebow

      At least you have a bye week to think about it...:p


      ps.... I know your talking about the future
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

        Your not even going to give Tebow a shot, Kurt?

        Just keep plenty of Gatorade and tissues at the sideline...lol

        I kind of agree with this guy....
        Start Tebow

        At least you have a bye week to think about it...:p


        ps.... I know your talking about the future

        I like Tebow and think he should have been the starter beginning this year. I think he's done about as well as he possibly could with the chances he's been given. I'm just not sure how good he will be...Only that he deserves a shot.

        On the other hand, I'm 99.99% sure Andrew Luck will be a great NFL QB.

        (And I just wanted to give TL a "shot" about trading Elway to us way back when... LOL )
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          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          I like Tebow and think he should have been the starter beginning this year. I think he's done about as well as he possibly could with the chances he's been given. I'm just not sure how good he will be...Only that he deserves a shot.

          On the other hand, I'm 99.99% sure Andrew Luck will be a great NFL QB.

          (And I just wanted to give TL a "shot" about trading Elway to us way back when... LOL )
          Elway forced that trade - proclaiming that he did not want to play in Baltimore.

          Then the NFL scheduled a pre-season game between the Colts & Elway's Broncos for that very first pre-season.

          I was at that game - Elways' first trip to Baltimore - the town he royally dissed.

          - He was mooned at least 10 times and could barely hear himself in the huddle.

          The Broncs came back to win and the crowd was besides itself after the game.

          Elway had no impact on the game other than being the object of intense hatred for the Colt faithful.

          It was wild!!!

          Who knows Kurt, history may repeat itself.

          All The Best!!

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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Hey TL...

      Peyton Manning is my favorite NFL player that isn't a Bronco. I thought the rest of the Colts would have some pride and want to prove they aren't a one-man team. Right now, they're proving Manning should have been voted the MVP award every year for the past decade.

      Tom Brady misses the season and the Pats still won 11 games. Manning's out for the season and you have to wonder if the Colts will even win a game. IMO, the Brady vs. Manning debate is now pretty much over.

      The good news is, I watched Stanford beat my Colorado Buffs and Andrew Luck is the real deal. Hopefully the Colts will draft him and trade another Stanford QB to my Broncos? It worked out pretty well for us last time.
      LOL!

      Kurt, the prob is we can't score enough points to win.

      The defense was always suspect ( even in the Super Bowl win year )...

      ...but with Payton we - most of the time, found a way to simply outscore our opponents.

      Nowadays, if someone puts up only 20 points on us - we're in big trouble.

      My season from hell continues.

      The Tim Tebow era begins!!

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    Here's a cool story...The kid came to the last Bronco game and got to see Tebow play:

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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Green Bay...W

    Pittsburgh...W

    Washington...just can't bet Philly any more. Don't even care if I lose..lol...L

    Detroit...L

    Cincinatti...W

    Buffalo...L

    Baltimore...W

    Oakland...W

    New England...W

    New Orleans...L

    Chicago...W

    NY Jets...W

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    • Profile picture of the author DrewBru75
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      Green Bay

      Pittsburgh

      Washington...just can't bet Philly any more. Don't even care if I lose..lol

      Detroit

      Cincinatti

      Buffalo

      Baltimore

      Oakland

      New England

      New Orleans

      Chicago

      NY Jets

      Sorry Road....San Francisco is going to beat Detroit. 35-27 Niners!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Jim our picks are the same with one exception, I took the Giants over Buffalo. I also took the Falcons over the Panthers. I see you didn't list that game.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    GB
    NYJ
    NE
    OAK

    Went 2-2 last week, was 3-0-1 at halftime I think.

    Brings me to 17-3 for the season.
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Jim our picks are the same with one exception, I took the Giants over Buffalo. I also took the Falcons over the Panthers. I see you didn't list that game.
      Hey Dennis,
      Most of my picks are heavy or close favorites...every week I try and pick at least one (and usually more) upsets, especially when it's close. That's why I picked Buffalo over the Giants. Should be close...who knows?

      The Falcons game I ignored because, in reality I wouldn't be betting this many games in a real betting, money season. Just didn't interest me...have to stay a little close to reality in my picks. Haven't done this in about 2-3 years, need practice again. Next year, back to Caliente.









      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      GB
      NYJ
      NE
      OAK

      Went 2-2 last week, was 3-0-1 at halftime I think.

      Brings me to 17-3 for the season.
      I have those also Kurt, looks pretty safe.

      If it wasn't Cleveland at the Raiders house, probably wouldn't take them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    For me, the most interesting game this week is the Skins/Eagles game. There's two conflicting factors I like when picking games:

    1. Mike Shanahan coming off a bye week. Shanahan rarely loses when he's had two weeks to prepare for a game.

    2. The Eagles are a desperate team with some talent. Desperation is a huge motivator, and if they lose, not only is their season likely over, but some coaches and players may lose their jobs.

    This should be a good game...Shanahan's cold calcuation vs. the Eagles pure desperation.
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    And speaking of the Eagles...Any of you guys seen this video of Andy Reid when he was in Punt, Pass and Kick? Look at how big he was compared to the other kids his age...It's hilarious:

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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    For now looks like it's going to be 'who scores last' in the Giants game.
    Been tied all the way through...had a feeling it would be close.

    Philly is my albatross this year, bet on em they lose, don't bet on em..etc... and they look to win today. Too inconsistent to bet on this year.


    Waiting to see if they give Detroit this touchdown...looked like one to me...!TOUCHdown!




    Edit - Well, well, go Tampa, even though I bet agin em...:p
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      The Falcons game I ignored because, in reality I wouldn't be betting this many games in a real betting, money season.
      Oh, I see. I've just posted what I picked in my pick 'em pool. I don't gamble outside of an occasional lottery ticket. I'm not going to post my picks here any more.

      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      For me, the most interesting game this week is the Skins/Eagles game. There's two conflicting factors I like when picking games:

      1. Mike Shanahan coming off a bye week. Shanahan rarely loses when he's had two weeks to prepare for a game.

      2. The Eagles are a desperate team with some talent. Desperation is a huge motivator, and if they lose, not only is their season likely over, but some coaches and players may lose their jobs.

      This should be a good game...Shanahan's cold calcuation vs. the Eagles pure desperation.
      It looks like desperation won the day. Still a good chance some players and coaches will lose their jobs before the season is over. I don't see this team suddenly becoming the "dream team" this year.

      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      Philly is my albatross this year, bet on em they lose, don't bet on em..etc...
      That's the way Denver was for me last year.

      And now, the only undefeated team in the NFL is the Packers. These are good days to be a fan of Wisconsin sports with the Packers, Brewers, and Badgers all doing extremely well.
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        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        Oh, I see. I've just posted what I picked in my pick 'em pool. I don't gamble outside of an occasional lottery ticket. I'm not going to post my picks here any more.
        .
        Geez Jim...Now you done it. You scared off Dennis.
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        • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Geez Jim...Now you done it. You scared off Dennis.
          Yea I saw that...funny thing is Dennis, as far as wins, is doing better than anyone on the thread...lol.

          Oh well, that is his prerogative. (Oh man I actually spelled that right, sans spell check..lol)


          I feel diiiirty...

          Any gambling I do nowadays is perfectly legal...left the underworld in LA
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

            Yea I saw that...funny thing is Dennis, as far as wins, is doing better than anyone on the thread...lol.

            Oh well, that is his prerogative. (Oh man I actually spelled that right, sans spell check..lol)


            I feel diiiirty...

            Any gambling I do nowadays is perfectly legal...left the underworld in LA
            Total or percentage? As of right now, I'm 20-3.

            I got "lucky" with gambing when I was younger...We were planning on moving from Denver to Las Vegas. I was prepared to "bet the ranch" on Marvin Hagler vs. Ray Leonard. I was confident there was no way I could lose. So I was planning on pawning/selling everything we owned for the "sure thing".

            However, our move was delayed for a few months..And, Hagler lost. Had we moved to LV in time, I would have lost everything we owned.

            It was the best bet I never made. And it taught me a big lesson, without being an expensive one. I was very lucky.

            But I will say, I may have had the only girl friend that wanting me to bet MORE. I did pretty well with the NFL. But she didn't understand that I could only pick a few games a year and not every weekend. Once in a while I see games and think the spread is just "plain wrong"...But most of the games I look at and think "I don't have a clue".

            And what's up Dennis? I'm confused. :confused:
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            • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              Total or percentage? As of right now, I'm 20-3.

              I got "lucky" with gambling when I was younger...We were planning on moving from Denver to Las Vegas. I was prepared to "bet the ranch" on Marvin Hagler vs. Ray Leonard. I was confident there was no way I could lose. So I was planning on pawning/selling everything we owned for the "sure thing".

              However, our move was delayed for a few months..And, Hagler lost. Had we moved to LV in time, I would have lost everything we owned.

              .

              Kurt, of all the fights and controversy I remember...that one still bugs me the most.

              There was something hinky there...maybe I was just too much a Hagler fan in those days...maybe I'll look it up and watch it again.

              After all these years and the three or four times I've already seen it....maybe something will make more sense...


              But I doubt it.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

                Kurt, of all the fights and controversy I remember...that one still bugs me the most.

                There was something hinky there...maybe I was just too much a Hagler fan in those days...maybe I'll look it up and watch it again.

                After all these years and the three or four times I've already seen it....maybe something will make more sense...


                But I doubt it.
                All these years later, I still feel I picked the correct fighter...Which is a big part of the lesson I learned.
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          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Geez Jim...Now you done it. You scared off Dennis.
          Ha ha, no, it's not like that. It's like you guys are playing poker and I'm playing gin rummy. If I were picking to bet I wouldn't pick every game and might have picked a few games differently.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            Ha ha, no, it's not like that. It's like you guys are playing poker and I'm playing gin rummy. If I were picking to bet I wouldn't pick every game.
            Do what I did...Just make up your own rules.

            Or...Pretend I'm picking the same way you are and my picks are only the 16, 15, 14, 13 point games and I'm splitting the other games.

            And it isn't like either Jim or I are picking against the spread. We're just having fun.
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            • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              Do what I did...Just make up your own rules.

              Or...Pretend I'm picking the same way you are and my picks are only the 16, 15, 14, 13 point games and I'm splitting the other games.

              And it isn't like either Jim or I are picking against the spread. We're just having fun.
              Yeah, all right. I'll just go with my top four from here on out. That's easier than doing all that typing for all the games anyway.
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      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      For now looks like it's going to be 'who scores last' in the Giants game.
      Been tied all the way through...had a feeling it would be close.

      Philly is my albatross this year, bet on em they lose, don't bet on em..etc... and they look to win today. Too inconsistent to bet on this year.


      Waiting to see if they give Detroit this touchdown...looked like one to me...!TOUCHdown!




      Edit - Well, well, go Tampa, even though I bet agin em...:p
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    I just had one of those, 'where did the years go', moments.

    I was always curious if anyone ever collected a bundle on the Tyson/Douglas fight...when Steve Wynn was the only one to offer odds...at 42 to 1.

    Doing some odds research and suddenly remembered that fight, because the odds were virtually unheard of for a pro heavyweight fight.

    This coming February will be 21 freakin years, since that fight.
    It seems only a few years ago....

    Where does the time go?
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      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      I just had one of those, 'where did the years go', moments.

      I was always curious if anyone ever collected a bundle on the Tyson/Douglas fight...when Steve Wynn was the only one to offer odds...at 42 to 1.

      Doing some odds research and suddenly remembered that fight, because the odds were virtually unheard of for a pro heavyweight fight.

      This coming February will be 21 freakin years, since that fight.
      It seems only a few years ago....

      Where does the time go?
      I remember that night well...When I first heard the news, I called my ex at work cuz she was a big Tyson fan and told her. She didn't believe me when I said "Tyson lost"...
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        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        I remember that night well...When I first heard the news, I called my ex at work cuz she was a big Tyson fan and told her. She didn't believe me when I said "Tyson lost"...

        I remember watching it, who I was with, what I was drinking..etc

        Like it was yesterday.

        My buddy says "Tyson is going down....he's ready to go"

        Yea right I says....oops.

        Mike scared people to death (and loss) in the locker room in those days.
        I can still picture the look on Golota's face coming down the aisle, to this day.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

          I remember watching it, who I was with, what I was drinking..etc

          Like it was yesterday.

          My buddy says "Tyson is going down....he's ready to go"

          Yea right I says....oops.

          Mike scared people to death (and loss) in the locker room in those days.
          I can still picture the look on Golota's face coming down the aisle, to this day.
          My fight story is...I was driving a cab in Las Vegas. I took a guy to the airport. I find out he has to leave to go home for an emergency and he's got tickets to a heavyweight championship fight at the LV Hilton. James Bonecrusher Smith was fighting someone. (?)

          So, he gives me his ticket. I drop him off and speed back to the Hilton to catch the fight.

          I park the cab and walk in....

          7! 8! 9! 10! ding ding ding!

          I walked in just in time to see the ref counting the other guy out for the KO in the first round.

          I immediately turn around and walk back out and finish my shift in the cab. I never even got to my seat. LOL
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          • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            My fight story is...I was driving a cab in Las Vegas. I took a guy to the airport. I find out he has to leave to go home for an emergency and he's got tickets to a heavyweight championship fight at the LV Hilton. James Bonecrusher Smith was fighting someone. (?)

            So, he gives me his ticket. I drop him off and speed back to the Hilton to catch the fight.

            I park the cab and walk in....

            7! 8! 9! 10! ding ding ding!

            I walked in just in time to see the ref counting the other guy out for the KO in the first round.

            I immediately turn around and walk back out and finish my shift in the cab. I never even got to my seat. LOL

            That sounds like a LOT of early Tyson fights...I would no sooner crack a beer and before even sitting down...it was over.

            It actually got to a point, (we all used to pitch in) we got tired of paying for prelims...lol

            I watched Tyson since he was 19-0, saw an article about him in Ring magazine...watched the rest of his career.
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    Deven Hester strikes again!

    Devin Hester runback vs. Vikings - YouTube!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Harbaugh may have been a little too boisterous in his excitement, but Schwartz looked like a weenie with his overreaction. JMO.
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    I don't know what that was about. The Milwaukee paper said it was an inside joke with some of his teammates. We may never know.

    http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/131951228.html
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    NFL QB changes...

    Carson Palmer gets his wish to be traded but it's to the Raiders of Oakland.


    After his 4 pick performance, Skins sack Rex Grossman for John Beck from Brigham Young U.

    Grossman has 11 turnovers – nine interceptions plus two fumbles – through five games.

    Grossman's 66.5 overall rating ranks 32nd of 33 quarterbacks in the league.

    Beck will be starting for the first time since 2007 - his rookie year in Miami.


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    Jets are killing me this year.

    Honestly. My Superbowl wishes are dashed. San Deigo will tell the world if this team is even playoff ready.
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    Tampa...L

    San Diego...L

    Cleveland...W

    Denver....W

    Detroit....L

    Oakland....L

    Pittsburgh....W

    Dallas....W

    Green Bay....W

    New Orleans....W

    Baltimore....L

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    Pats vs packers Pats win 34-17!
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Saints W
      Raiders L
      Steelers W
      BUCS L
      Skins L
      Lions L
      Broncos W
      Titans L
      Packers W
      Rams L

      This is why I don't bet on football 4-6
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      Originally Posted by jpboxersox View Post

      Pats vs packers Pats win 34-17!
      Is that a Superbowl prediction?
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        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        Is that a Superbowl prediction?
        Yes Superbowl prediction... I'm sure you have it the other way around
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Here's my 4 Blue Plate Specials:
          WAS
          BAL
          GB
          NO

          And I'll take a 5th team this week...My Broncos...Mostly because it looks like the only game in a while I have any hopes for a win. While DEN seems like a good pick, we've never won in Miami (0-6 lifetime)...It's very tough for teams from the West to go East and play an early game.

          DEN
          Good call on the Broncos.

          Originally Posted by jpboxersox View Post

          Yes Superbowl prediction... I'm sure you have it the other way around
          lol - I haven't thought that far ahead. If it came to those two I'd naturally be hoping the Packers win, but a lot can happen between now and then. The Pack just lost another player for the season. It wasn't a starter, but it's starting to look like last year with the injuries. Losing perennial pro-bowler safety Nick Collins for the season hurt, as have a few others.
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    Here's my 4 Blue Plate Specials:
    WAS
    BAL
    GB
    NO

    And I'll take a 5th team this week...My Broncos...Mostly because it looks like the only game in a while I have any hopes for a win. While DEN seems like a good pick, we've never won in Miami (0-6 lifetime)...It's very tough for teams from the West to go East and play an early game.

    DEN
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    Wow! Down 15 to 0 with 2:44 left, Tebow leads the Broncos back to a 15-15 tie...We're now in overtime.

    Edit: We won! I can't believe it! Unbelievable!
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Wow! Down 15 to 0 with 2:44 left, Tebow leads the Broncos back to a 15-15 tie...We're now in overtime.

      Edit: We won! I can't believe it! Unbelievable!
      I agree Kurt, I watched the score,
      while watching San Diego do almost the same thing in reverse...
      @#%&**@.

      I wasn't home, so I couldn't watch it on the net.

      Congrats....

      guess I'll have to wait for the highlights later.


      edit: actually Denver was one of my few wins in the morning....bad morn.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

        I agree Kurt, I watched the score,
        while watching San Diego do almost the same thing in reverse...
        @#%&**@.

        I wasn't home, so I couldn't watch it on the net.

        Congrats....

        guess I'll have to wait for the highlights later.


        edit: actually Denver was one of my few wins in the morning....bad morn.
        Hey Jim...

        It was the kind of game with about 3 minutes left my only goal was to some how avoid the shut out, hoping we could just get into field goal range.

        Tebow looked bad until that point. He was overthrowing and underthrowing and missing receivers by 15 yards. I think he had something like 24 yards passing until that point in the game.

        Then...He started looking like Joe Montana for the last 3 minutes. I just read where the Broncos were the first team since the merger to be down 15 or more points with 3 minutes left and win the game.

        To be honest, Tebow confuses me. Both his fans and detractors are correct. He is very inaccurate, but some how seems to "will" himself to a win.
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    And good morning TL...

    You're lucky Brees didn't throw one more TD or we'd be calling your Colts the 69ers.


    Seriously...What's up with the Colts? They are making a very strong case that Manning is the best, most important player of all time. Would losing any other player on any other team have the same impact as losing Manning has?

    I really hope Manning's neck will heal...Like I've said before, he's my favorite "non-Bronco" in the NFL.
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      And good morning TL...

      You're lucky Brees didn't throw one more TD or we'd be calling your Colts the 69ers.


      Seriously...What's up with the Colts? They are making a very strong case that Manning is the best, most important player of all time. Would losing any other player on any other team have the same impact as losing Manning has?

      I really hope Manning's neck will heal...Like I've said before, he's my favorite "non-Bronco" in the NFL.
      Congrats on Tebows' successful debut.

      Believe it or not, I'm at a loss for words.

      I didn't watch the game, I only tuned in every now and then but every time I tuned in the Saints were threatening or had just scored AGAIN.

      It's very simple.

      We can't score enough points to compete.

      We could always count on Payton to put up at least 24 points which will win at least 65-70% of NFL games but not now.

      Our inability to score changes the dynamics of who we are as a team.

      Many teams played from behind and that really helped our defense a lot.

      Is Kerry Collins hurt?

      If not he should be playing instead of Curtis Painter.

      After all the glory and arrogance I reveled in with the Lakers, perhaps I'm in for a bout of sports fan karma.

      My ORIOLES have sucked for the last 15 years - ever since Peter Angelos become the owner.

      He initially tried to copy the Yankee model but none of the high priced free agents produced and then I believe he gave up.

      The season from hell continues...

      All The Best!!

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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Tim Tebow, Denver Broncos Quarterback Kisses Demaryius Thomas...


    Growing up I never liked the butt slap.

    I couldn't understand why another dude needed to put is hand on my butt and I did not initiate.

    Thankfully the high-five has all but been eliminated it from the culture.

    I remember before they fell out, Magic & Isiah Thomas exchanging a kiss before doing battle.

    I also remember when the 76'ers won the championship and Billy C. gave the Dr. a long, hard, loud kiss - but that was on the cheek.

    Is this a bridge too far??

    Hey, if you win a championship I guess I can see it happening.

    As Jackie Gleason used to say...

    How sweet it is!!!

    Video of the lip-to-lip kiss here...

    Tim Tebow, Denver Broncos Quarterback And Focus On The Family Spokesperson, Kisses Demaryius Thomas
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      Tim Tebow, Denver Broncos Quarterback Kisses Demaryius Thomas...


      Growing up I never liked the butt slap.

      I couldn't understand why another dude needed to put is hand on my butt and I did not initiate.

      Thankfully the high-five has all but been eliminated it from the culture.

      I remember before they fell out, Magic & Isiah Thomas exchanging a kiss before doing battle.

      I also remember when the 76'ers won the championship and Billy C. gave the Dr. a long, hard, loud kiss - but that was on the cheek.

      Is this a bridge too far??

      Hey, if you win a championship I guess I can see it happening.

      As Jackie Gleason used to say...

      How sweet it is!!!

      Video of the lip-to-lip kiss here...

      Tim Tebow, Denver Broncos Quarterback And Focus On The Family Spokesperson, Kisses Demaryius Thomas

      Hey TL...

      After this post, I fully expect to see a hi-res picture of you Tebowing posted on this site:

      www.tebowing.com
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        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Hey TL...

        After this post, I fully expect to see a hi-res picture of you Tebowing posted on this site:

        www.tebowing.com
        I don't get it. I've seen a lot of players strike that pose or one very similar after scoring a touchdown. It's usually a quick thank you to their God.

        So why is it all of a sudden "tebowing" now?
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    Trivia...

    Who was the NFL defensive back that was nicknamed "toast" by his teammates because he was burned so often?
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      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      Trivia...

      Who was the NFL defensive back that was nicknamed "toast" by his teammates because he was burned so often?
      Wasn't that Elvis Patterson?
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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Wasn't that Elvis Patterson?

        Bingo Kurt!

        Yes he earned that nickname while playing for the Giants in the late 80's to mid 90's when Parcells was the coach.


        All The Best!!

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          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

          Bingo Kurt!

          Yes he earned that nickname while playing for the Giants in the late 80's to mid 90's when Parcells was the coach.


          All The Best!!

          TL
          I remember him being with the 49ers as well as ALT?

          How about these guys:

          Bambi
          Tombstone
          Ironhead
          Chief Wahoo
          The Assassin
          Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
          The Hammer
          Night Train
          The Throwin' Samoan
          Hacksaw
          Kansas Comet
          Nigerian Nightmare
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            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            I remember him being with the 49ers as well as ALT?

            How about these guys:

            Bambi
            Tombstone
            Ironhead
            Chief Wahoo
            The Assassin
            Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
            The Hammer
            Night Train
            The Throwin' Samoan
            Hacksaw
            Kansas Comet
            Nigerian Nightmare
            Football used to have such great nicknames...I had a good friend that was a baseball fan and I'd tease him based on George Carlin's old Football vs Baseball bit:

            In football, you have Night Train, Tombstone, Too Tall, Mean Joe and the Nigerian Nightmare.

            In baseball you have the Splended Splinter, Babe, The Georgia Peach and Pee Wee.

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          • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            I remember him being with the 49ers as well as ALT?

            How about these guys:

            Bambi
            Tombstone
            Ironhead
            Chief Wahoo
            The Assassin
            Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
            The Hammer
            Night Train
            The Throwin' Samoan
            Hacksaw
            Kansas Comet
            Nigerian Nightmare
            I know all of them save Tombstone and Chief Wahoo but I'll leave a bunch for other NFL fans at the WF.


            Night Train = Dick Lane.

            Holds all time record for most INTs in one season and was quite the 'headhunter" in his days when it was legal.

            All The Best!!


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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

              Bambi = Lance Alworth

              Tombstone = who the hell??

              Ironhead = Craig Hayword

              Chief Wahoo = who the hell??

              The Assassin = Jack Tatum ( from same high school as Ironhead/ Passica N.J. )

              Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid = Czonka & Kick

              The Hammer = Fred Williamson

              Night Train = Dick Lane. ( holds all time record for most INTs in one season )

              The Throwin' Samoan = Jack Thompson

              Hacksaw = Jack Reynolds

              Kansas Comet = Gale Sayers

              Nigerian Nightmare = Christen Akoya


              TL
              I'll leave Tombstone up there...Here's a hint: He invented the head slap, and had a dozen different head slaps, and even though Decon Jones claims to be the inventer of the head slap, Tombstone really was. Tombstone was the only player Lyle Alzado feared.

              Chief Wahoo is a tough one. Chief Wahoo Mcdaniel was a second string d-lineman in the old AFL, played a short time for my Broncos and some other AFL teams. Became better known as a pro rassler...He was (is?) a real Indian chief.

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              • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                I'll leave Tombstone up there...Here's a hint: He invented the head slap, and had a dozen different head slaps, and even though Decon Jones claims to be the inventer of the head slap, Tombstone really was. Tombstone was the only player Lyle Alzado feared.

                Chief Wahoo is a tough one. Chief Wahoo Mcdaniel was a second string d-lineman in the old AFL, played a short time for my Broncos and some other AFL teams. Became better known as a pro rassler...He was (is?) a real Indian chief.

                AWA Chief Wahoo McDaniel vs Jim Thomas Feb.12,1988 - YouTube
                I'd love to see him go one on one with Chief Jay Strongbow.

                Deacon also claims to have invented the term "sack the QB".

                Perhaps he's embellishing a bit on this one also???

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        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Wasn't that Elvis Patterson?
        Ah yes, old Toast. As a long time Giants fan I remember him well. Threw more than my fair share of rolled up socks at the TV during those years...LOL
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    Speaking of Indians & the NFL can anyone correctly fill in the blanks to identify the nickname of this NFL star who appeared in one of the first 5 Super Bowls??


    __________ Joe ___________


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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Tennessee...W

    Houston....W

    Minnesota....W

    New Orleans....L

    Baltimore....W

    NY Giants....W

    Buffalo...W

    Denver....L

    Pittsburgh....W

    San Francisco....W

    San Diego....L ....%$@#


    8 & 3

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    The big 'chance...shot' here is Pittsburgh over New England...no money, so what the hell..
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    And...It was Rich "Tombstone" Jackson. He was a pass-rushing terror for my Broncos. A bad injury ended his career prematurely. Tombstone was so bad, even crazy Lyle Alzado was afraid of him.

    You know you're bad when your nickname is "Tombstone" and you have a dozen different headslaps and named them all, including the "halo spinner".

    At one time, NFL Films called Tombstone the best player not in the Hall of Fame.


    From Wikipedia:
    Rich Jackson (born July 22, 1941 in New Orleans, Louisiana) was an American college and professional football player. In college Jackson played for Southern University. Jackson played for the American Football League's Oakland Raiders in 1966 and the AFL Denver Broncos from 1967 through 1969. He played for the NFL Broncos in 1970 through 1971, and the NFL Cleveland Browns in 1972. Jackson was All-Pro in 1969 and 1970.

    Jackson, a defensive end whose nickname was "Tombstone", was famous for moves such as the "head slap" and the "halo spinner" which he used to subdue opposing offensive linemen. In the lateLyle Alzado's book "Mile High" he recalled Rich Jackson as the toughest man he'd ever met, and told the story of Jackson breaking the helmet of Green Bay Packer offensive tackle, Bill Hayhoe, with a headslap.

    Jackson's career was cut short by a severe knee injury, but he finished with an unofficial total of 43 sacks, 31 of which came during the three season period of 1968-1970. He finished with 10 sacks in both 1968 and 1970 and posted a career-high total of 11 in 1969.[1] He was named 1st Team All-AFL by the AP, Pro Football Weekly and UPI at the conclusion of the 1968 season and by the AP, NEA, NY Daily News, Pro Football Weekly, The Sporting News and UPI at the end of the 1969 season. He was also a unanimous 1st Team All-NFL choice in 1970.

    Despite the shortened career, Sports Illustrated's football expert, Dr. Z, Paul Zimmerman, said that Tombstone Jackson was perhaps the finest overall defensive end and pass rusher he ever saw, a surefire Hall of Famer if he would have had a longer playing career, in a bigger media market. As it was Jackson will be remembered as a great one, only by a handful of football insiders, including those who lined up with and against him.

    Jackson wore number 87 with the Broncos and was part of the inaugural class of inductees into the Denver Broncos' "Ring of Fame". He was inducted in 1984 along with safety Goose Gonsoulin, running back Floyd Little, and wide receiver Lionel Taylor.
    In 1975 he was voted to the Colorado Sports Hall of Fame. [2]
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    Buffalo Bills win super bowl
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    NO
    NYG
    BAL
    HOU
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    A Young Tim Tebow...

    In Primetime's "10 Best" on the NFL channel...

    After saluting the Lion defense which sacked Tebow a reported 9 times...

    Deon did the Tebow Bow.

    I was much amused.

    All The Best!!

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    PS. I know, my season from hell continues.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      A Young Tim Tebow...

      In Primetime's "10 Best" on the NFL channel...

      After saluting the Lion defense which sacked Tebow a reported 9 times...

      Deon did the Tebow Bow.

      I was much amused.

      All The Best!!

      TL


      PS. I know, my season from hell continues.
      Tebow was only sacked 7 times, just like last week.

      But, he did fumble 3 times, losing two, and threw a Pick 6 that had a 101 yard return. That was when he wasn't over-throwing receivers by 10 yards.

      He looked really bad. Ryan Leaf bad.

      And your Colts at least have a future. You'll likely get either Manning or Luck or both, next year, while I'm seriously considering my future as a fan of the NFL. I'm not sure I feel like sitting through 3-4 years of rebuilding, with no guarantee things will get better even then.

      I miss Mike Shanahan.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Tebow was only sacked 7 times, just like last week.

        But, he did fumble 3 times, losing two, and threw a Pick 6 that had a 101 yard return. That was when he wasn't over-throwing receivers by 10 yards.

        He looked really bad. Ryan Leaf bad.

        And your Colts at least have a future. You'll likely get either Manning or Luck or both, next year, while I'm seriously considering my future as a fan of the NFL. I'm not sure I feel like sitting through 3-4 years of rebuilding, with no guarantee things will get better even then.

        I miss Mike Shanahan.
        I watched part of that game. Does Tebow ever slide? He's going to have a short career if he doesn't learn to avoid some of the punishment he's taking. Not exactly a good way to build a young player's confidence either, throwing him to the wolves before he's ready. Maybe he's played better in other games, but he looked lost out there from what I saw.
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          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          I watched part of that game. Does Tebow ever slide? He's going to have a short career if he doesn't learn to avoid some of the punishment he's taking. Not exactly a good way to build a young player's confidence either, throwing him to the wolves before he's ready. Maybe he's played better in other games, but he looked lost out there from what I saw.
          Tebow slide? NEVER! LOL

          I like the kid, but I don't think he's going to make it. I can see him as a "Slash"/back up QB, but I don't think he has the skills to be a fulltime QB.
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    Aaahhh...with all the turnovers, bobblin, antispirals...I might as well move to Denver...

    I'm done with the Chargers ...(for the next two games anyway...:p)


    By my count...(correct if you can)
    I'm at 61 and 30, today.
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    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

    Now 27-6 for the year.
    NO
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    KC
    DAL
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    These are a few of my picks:

    HOU Over 41
    ARI Win -2.5
    NYG Win +9 (might not win but the spread is a bit large to cover)
    CIN Over 41.5 (could possibly even win)
    DEN Win +7.5 (have this feeling that OAK is not going to have a good game)
    SF Win -4

    I don't expect all to convert so I'm not going to place all 6 picks on one bet.

    I have picked up to 11 on the same bet in the past and won but obviously this is VERY random when I manage to achieve it.

    I would like to say "I'm sure" that at least 4 of these are safe bets but we all know that there's no such thing as a "safe bet".

    So do your own due diligence and pick your parlays!

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      Atlanta....W

      New Orleans....W

      Houston...W

      Buffalo...L

      Kansas City...L whoa

      San Francisco....W

      Dallas...W

      Oakland...L

      Tennessee...L

      Arizona...W

      New England..L

      Green Bay..(added @ 9:06 am...11/06/11)....W

      Pittsburgh....L


      7 & 6

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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        NO
        HOU
        KC
        DAL
        Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

        Atlanta

        New Orleans

        Houston

        Buffalo

        Kansas City

        San Francisco

        Dallas

        Oakland

        Tennessee

        Arizona

        New England

        Pittsburgh
        Being a die hard Bucs fan, I'm picking the Saints today also.
        But remember, I'm usually wrong
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          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          Being a die hard Bucs fan, I'm picking the Saints today also.
          But remember, I'm usually wrong
          I've got the Saints mostly based on the "bounce back" theory. They're a good team coming off a bad loss.
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            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            I've got the Saints mostly based on the "bounce back" theory. They're a good team coming off a bad loss.
            There's that.
            Plus playing at home and I'm sure they're a little pissed at the Bucs for breaking their head coaches leg 3 weeks ago
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    Hey Jim...

    Where's the GB vs SD game? Phillip "Snapper" Rivers scaring you?
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Hey Jim...

      Where's the GB vs SD game? Phillip "Snapper" Rivers scaring you?

      Thanks Kurt, I'm glad I checked in one more time, thought I had put it down.

      I usually do these Sat. night, did it too early this morning.

      And yea Rivers is scaring me, last few games..lol...
      I'm taking Green Bay in that game.
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        Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

        Thanks Kurt, I'm glad I checked in one more time, thought I had put it down.

        I usually do these Sat. night, did it too early this morning.

        And yea Rivers is scaring me, last few games..lol...
        I'm taking Green Bay in that game.
        It's the football version of a "freudian slip".

        I almost picked SD in an upset...But just couldn't pull the trigger. Not that SD is better than GB, it's just GB has to lose a game somewhere and you have to figure "Snapper" Rivers is fired up.
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    Miami whipping KC....Seriously?
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    Wow...We thoroughly kicked the Raider's butts. Tebow played pretty well. He had 119 yard rushing and Mcgahee had 160...And Tebow had a couple of nice passes. It's good to beat the Raiders.

    NO w
    HOU w
    KC l
    DAL w

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    San Diego and Green Bay, what a game


    I see The Rockettes pulled it off ...lol
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    Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

    San Diego and Green Bay, what a game


    I see The Rockettes pulled it off ...lol

    AFC West sure got a lot more interesting fast...Den won on the road and all 3 other teams lost at home.

    All 4 teams are within a game of each other:

    SD 4-4
    KC 4-4
    OAK 4-4
    DEN 3-5
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      The Niners really are impressing me. I thought they would improve with Harbough as coach but this is coming along much faster than I expected. Tough defense and steady offense with an explosive at times running game.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    I watched the Giants visit the Pats up in New England yesterday.

    I knew the Pat faithful would be out for blood since this was the first regular season meeting since that surprising and stinging Super Bowl defeat at the hands of the Giants that ruined their "perfect season" a few seasons ago.

    Nothing would suit them better than to beat the living daylights out of the Giants from the sports city they hate the most - New York.

    I had a hunch the Giants would simply roll over and be destroyed and wanted to witness it with a hoard of the Giant faithful.

    But it was not to be.

    Eli lead the G-Men on another late game drive to disappoint & befuddle the New England faithful.

    Early in the game, my moms remarked how cool and collected Tom Brady always is - no matter what happens in the game.

    "It seems like nothing ever bothers him" she said.

    By the middle of the 3rd quarter, and after a couple of interceptions later, Mr. Cool was constantly seen muttering to himself walking off the field and on the sidelines in clear unmitigated frustration.

    The cameras zoomed in on him on many occasions and I just couldn't help my self...

    I said, mother dear, there's you Mr. Cool.


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    Did ANYONE noticed that of my seven predictions, SIX were good!?

    I hope you made some money LOL!!!

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      Originally Posted by SergioFelix View Post

      Did ANYONE noticed that of my seven predictions, SIX were good!?

      I hope you made some money LOL!!!

      Sergio
      Good job...Stick around and join us and let's see your picks next week.



      Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

      The Niners really are impressing me. I thought they would improve with Harbough as coach but this is coming along much faster than I expected. Tough defense and steady offense with an explosive at times running game.
      Harbaugh has to be the front runner for Coach of the Year at this point in time.

      What makes the 9ers record even more impressive is they've won 4(?) games in the Eastern time zone.
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      • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Harbaugh has to be the front runner for Coach of the Year at this point in time.
        I love the guy. He's got the team thinking as a team. Then there was that handshake after the Lions victory. After this last game he said something else which just makes me smile:

        As a lover of all things manly, Jim Harbaugh was thrilled to see linebacker Ahmad Brooks lead with his helmet-less head in the 49ers 20-10 win over the Browns to make the fumble-causing sack on quarterback Colt McCoy. The 49ers recovered and eventually scored a touchdown off the turnover.

        Brooks emerged bloodied, which warmed the heart of former quarterback Harbaugh.

        "Loved it, loved it," Harbaugh said when asked about the play Wednesday. "Wish he could have come and wiped some of (the blood) on my cheek."
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
          Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

          The Niners really are impressing me. I thought they would improve with Harbough as coach but this is coming along much faster than I expected. Tough defense and steady offense with an explosive at times running game.

          I am hoping for a good game this Sunday. Have not seen a good Giants/49ers games since Montana/Simms. I think the Niners have the edge - but then I thought that with the Pats too, so maybe they can pull it off 2 weeks in a row


          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post


          Harbaugh has to be the front runner for Coach of the Year at this point in time.

          What makes the 9ers record even more impressive is they've won 4(?) games in the Eastern time zone.

          I'd vote for him. He's really done a lot for that team.


          Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

          I love the guy. He's got the team thinking as a team. Then there was that handshake after the Lions victory. After this last game he said something else which just makes me smile:



          San Francisco 49ers – Niner Insider Blog – SFGate.com » Harbaugh wants to wipe Ahmad Brooks’ blood on his face

          LOL - the man was always a bit nuts Gotta love it.
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          • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
            Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

            I am hoping for a good game this Sunday. Have not seen a good Giants/49ers games since Montana/Simms. I think the Niners have the edge.
            If you're a true Giants fan, when are you finally going to believe they have the edge? True fans believe in their teams. I never approach a game expecting the Giants to lose. When your team has one of the best coaches in the league, a hot quarterback, explosive, gamebreaking receivers, a huge tight end that gets down the field like a wide receiver, and the best collection of pass rushers in the entire league, you shouldn't fear any team.

            I dont.

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            • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
              Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

              If you're a true Giants fan, when are you finally going to believe they have the edge? True fans believe in their teams. I never approach a game expecting the Giants to lose. When your team has one of the best coaches in the league, a hot quarterback, explosive, gamebreaking receivers, a huge tight end that gets down the field like a wide receiver, and the best collection of pass rushers in the entire league, you shouldn't fear any team.

              I dont.

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              It's less about the Giants and more about expectations, superstitions and my blood pressure

              I'll leave it at that. There are many definitions of "true fan" - not just yours.

              Besides, I don't know where you saw me say I "feared" the Niners. I simply said I thought they have the edge. And I do. That is not the same as saying "Oh man, the Giants are gonna lose".

              A "true Giants fan" has the ability to be realistic
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              • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
                Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                A "true Giants fan" has the ability to be realistic
                I was hoping you'd say that.

                So, realistically, where do the 49er's have the edge? Quarterback? Nope. Eli Manning is an elite quarterback. Alex Smith? He's still Alex Smith until I see otherwise. Running back? Frank Gore is a good player, but would you honestly take him over Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs? Wide receiver? It could be argued the Giants trio of Nicks, Cruz and Manningham are the best in the league. Although, Green Bay fans might beg to differ. Tight end? Jake Ballard is shocking the NFL. D-line? While the 49er's leads the league in overall defense, the Giants lead the league in sacks...ouch!!!

                Home field advantage? The Giants are an excellent road team...just ask the Patriots. Realistically, I just don't see where the 49ers have the edge. Although I'm sure their fans will say otherwise.

                Should be a great game though!

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                • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                  Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

                  I was hoping you'd say that.

                  So, realistically, where do the 49er's have the edge? Quarterback? Nope. Eli Manning is an elite quarterback. Alex Smith? He's still Alex Smith until I see otherwise. Running back? Frank Gore is a good player, but would you honestly take him over Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs? Wide receiver? It could be argued the Giants trio of Nicks, Cruz and Manningham are the best in the league. Although, Green Bay fans might beg to differ. Tight end? Jake Ballard is shocking the NFL. D-line? While the 49er's leads the league in overall defense, the Giants lead the league in sacks...ouch!!!

                  Home field advantage? The Giants are an excellent road team...just ask the Patriots. Realistically, I just don't see where the 49ers have the edge. Although I'm sure their fans will say otherwise.

                  Should be a great game though!

                  David Jackson

                  Frankly, I wasn't looking to debate. My opinion is just that - my opinion. No justification required.

                  But to ease your mind, like I ALREADY said - it's more about my own superstitions - irrational as they may be. I have been a Giants fan for 40 years - which while encompass many great success, also include MANY disappointments. And MANY rolled up socks thrown at the TV

                  But let's talk about the team.

                  Eli Manning is without a doubt having the year of his career. But Eli is Eli and has always had a reputation of a sort of "split personality", ie: "Which Eli will be playing today?". One season like this is great, but the expectation has been set, like it or not.

                  Ahmad Bradshaw is listed as doubtful for the game so I have not even considered him a factor. Jacobs is playing pretty well but he's not what he once was. I don't consider him an elite back. Never did really. In fact, this season he's only had 60 carries for 198 yards (3.3 per carry), a long of 14 and just 3 TDs. Those are not elite numbers. Look pretty average to me

                  Receivers - Manningham and Nicks are fantastic. Nicks is listed as doubful for this week (hamstring). Cruz is having a good year thus far, but in reality is still largely untested. Let's see him after a couple of seasons.

                  Jake Ballard? Same thing - still largely unproven (as a Giant) - although I really like what I see.

                  I already said the Giants are a good road team. No dispute there. What I said was any team that has to travel across country I give a SLIGHT disadvantage.

                  Finally, I said before and I say again - at no time did I say I thought the Giants would lose. But I would hardly call this a "lock" win either. The Niners are also an exceptional team.

                  Now, please don't make me predict a score... I don't want to jinx my Giants!

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                  • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
                    Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                    Frankly, I wasn't looking to debate. My opinion is just that - my opinion. No justification required.
                    C'mon, Mike. You should know if you discuss sports, there's always going to be a difference of opinion...there's always going to be a debate. The point I was trying to make is this: I ALWAYS expect the Giants to win - regardless of the opponent. But that's me.

                    However, you're absolutely right about one thing: You have the right to feel anyway you want. It doesn't make you any less a fan because you're a bit superstitious.

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                    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                      Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

                      C'mon, Mike. You should know if you discuss sports, there's always going to be a difference of opinion...there's always going to be a debate. The point I was trying to make is this: I ALWAYS expect the Giants to win - regardless of the opponent. But that's me.

                      However, you're absolutely right about one thing: You have the right to feel anyway you want. It doesn't make you any less a fan because you're a bit superstitious.

                      David Jackson
                      One more clarification: Admitting the other team may have an edge does not preclude me from expecting them to win. But being the realistic type, I know they won't win every game (at least, not this year )

                      However, I always ALWAYS root for them to win - even if I am convinced they won't.

                      And my superstitions run deeper than "a bit" If you only knew...LOL
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                      • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
                        Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                        Being the realistic type, I know they won't win every game (at least, not this year )
                        No team is going to go undefeated...Every team in the league is flawed - including the Green Bay Packers. Trying to go undefeated is not a good thing when the Giants are on your schedule. They seem to thrive on breaking winning streaks.

                        Just ask the Patriots.

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    And good morning Penn State Nittany Lions...

    Say it ain't so Joe (Pa), say it ain't so.
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      And good morning Penn State Nittany Lions...

      Say it ain't so Joe (Pa), say it ain't so.
      I think Joe Pa. needs to leave asap.

      He knew about Sandusky and reported it to the proper authorities and nothing was done.

      There's talk of him hanging around till the end of the season.

      I'm not sure how anyone could look at him for another game - knowing what we know.


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        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        I think Joe Pa. needs to leave asap.

        He knew about Sandusky and reported it to the proper authorities and nothing was done.

        There's talk of him hanging around till the end of the season.

        I'm not sure how anyone could look at him for another game - knowing what we know.


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        Joe Pa announced he will retire at the end of the season. Without hearing Joe Pa's side of things, I think that's "fair"....Who knows?
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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Joe Pa announced he will retire at the end of the season. Without hearing Joe Pa's side of things, I think that's "fair"....Who knows?
          You're right Kurt.

          What do we really know??

          But I'll say this...

          If Paterno was aware of this guy's activities and this guy stayed on the staff - after Paterno knew of his activities then Mr. P. should go ASAP, IMHO.

          IMHO...

          If that's the case, why let the guy stick around and use Penn St. as a cover??

          IMHO...

          I don't see any good excuses for letting the guy stick around.

          But once again...

          What do we really know of the situation?

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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            You're right Kurt.

            What do we really know??

            But I'll say this...

            If Paterno was aware of this guy's activities and this guy stayed on the staff - after Paterno knew of his activities then Mr. P. should go ASAP, IMHO.

            IMHO...

            If that's the case, why let the guy stick around and use Penn St. as a cover??

            IMHO...

            I don't see any good excuses for letting the guy stick around.

            But once again...

            What do we really know of the situation?

            TL
            I really can't argue with anyone on this issue...But I believe Sandusky was already off the staff when Joe Pa became aware. However, Sandusky was allowed access to Penn State's facilities.

            I believe the reason to let Joe Pa stay for 3-4 more games is because he's done so much over the decades for Penn State and his players didn't do anything and shouldn't be punished.

            Again, I don't feel I have a lot of "strength" to argue my point and if Joe Pa was fired today, I wouldn't complain...But from what I know at this point in time, I'd let him ride out the season.

            It's "funny" how the NCAA is so worried about a kid trading a ring for a tattoo, when you have this kind of stuff going on. This is one of the saddest stories in sports in a long time.
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            • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
              I believe that is right also. Paterno did what he was supposed to do. He reported it to the people above him at the school. It wasn't his job to do anything further really.

              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              I really can't argue with anyone on this issue...But I believe Sandusky was already off the staff when Joe Pa became aware.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sunfyre7896
    Not too thrilled with the Giants Pats result. Cannot stand the mouth breathing twitcher. If you know who that is, then you'll realize what I'm talking about. Also, good job Tebow on becoming another running quarterback. We need more of those to never really amount to anything except for of course Vick, up to this point anyway. Crossing the fingers on a close hard nosed game tonight and hopefully DA BEARZ can pull one out over that despicable "dream team." . . . Last point, my team racked up a closer than it should've been victory over a really bad team.

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    Is this the worst football play of the weekend? Mark Sanchez is moved out wide for a trick play...Watch him flinch, then hold:

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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Is this the worst football play of the weekend? Mark Sanchez is moved out wide for a trick play...Watch him flinch, then hold:

      Mark Sanchez flinch and hold against Buffalo Bills - YouTube
      I wonder how hard that Buffalo player was laughing after that.
      Then to have Sanchez grab him :confused: I'm surprised 29 kept it together enough to still try and get in on the play
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  • Profile picture of the author Sunfyre7896
    Oh Chicago how I loved you last night. Showed them Eagles what it's like to fall out of the sky back down to earth. And this weekend, go 9'ers. Own you some Giants.
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      Originally Posted by Sunfyre7896 View Post

      Oh Chicago how I loved you last night. Showed them Eagles what it's like to fall out of the sky back down to earth. And this weekend, go 9'ers. Own you some Giants.
      Pfffffftftttt!

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    I don't know why the 49ers have the edge when the Giants just took care of the Pats.

    It may be the game of the week.

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      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      I don't know why the 49ers have the edge when the Giants just took care of the Pats.

      It may be the game of the week.

      TL
      Why does any team have an edge?

      Giants play pretty well on the road. Niners play pretty well at home. Any team that travels across the country, I think is at a SLIGHT disadvantage.

      Not sure why people think I assume the Giants will lose... I also felt the Pats had an edge. That doesn't make me less of a fan.

      Perhaps it's simply my own superstition that whenever I give the other team the edge, the Giants end up winning. That was what I was alluding too in my other post. That may not be rational - but being a fan does not always lend to rational thinking

      I agree on one thing - I think it will be the game of the week too.
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      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      I don't know why the 49ers have the edge when the Giants just took care of the Pats.

      It may be the game of the week.

      TL
      The Giants came back against the 32nd and worst pass defense in the entire league. They give up well over 300 yards per game passing on average. The Patriots also have a lot of problems and are sliding.

      The Niners have only lost one game and that was to Dallas and in overtime in week 2 before they started rolling.

      The Niners are at home.

      The Niners have the number one scoring defense allowing a measly 14.8 points per game which is by far number 1 in the entire league. The Giants are allowing 23, which is 20th in the league.

      The defensive rankings by yards are S.F. 9th and NYG 18th.

      The Niners have the number 1 rushing defense in the league.

      The Niners are number 6 with 137 rushing yards per game on offense. The Giants rush for 88 yards/game which is 28th.

      Niners control the game by a good rushing attack led by Gore and the defense keeps their offense on the field by stopping the rush, which the Giants have been lacking based on their numbers this season, and keeping opponents from scoring.

      There are other reasons, but just looking at these, I can see why the Niners are the favorites. And they really are just a 1/2 point favorite because the home team gives 3 points if all things are equal. I wouldn't say it's a stretch to assume that the Niners are just a 1/2 point better than exactly equal based on the above reasons.

      If I were to handicap this game based on the above criteria, I would actually move the line to S.F. -5 instead of -3 1/2.
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        Originally Posted by Sunfyre7896 View Post

        The Giants came back against the 32nd and worst pass defense in the entire league. They give up well over 300 yards per game passing on average. The Patriots also have a lot of problems and are sliding.

        The Niners have only lost one game and that was to Dallas and in overtime in week 2 before they started rolling.

        The Niners are at home.

        The Niners have the number one scoring defense allowing a measly 14.8 points per game which is by far number 1 in the entire league. The Giants are allowing 23, which is 20th in the league.

        The defensive rankings by yards are S.F. 9th and NYG 18th.

        The Niners have the number 1 rushing defense in the league.

        The Niners are number 6 with 137 rushing yards per game on offense. The Giants rush for 88 yards/game which is 28th.

        Niners control the game by a good rushing attack led by Gore and the defense keeps their offense on the field by stopping the rush, which the Giants have been lacking based on their numbers this season, and keeping opponents from scoring.

        There are other reasons, but just looking at these, I can see why the Niners are the favorites. And they really are just a 1/2 point favorite because the home team gives 3 points if all things are equal. I wouldn't say it's a stretch to assume that the Niners are just a 1/2 point better than exactly equal based on the above reasons.

        If I were to handicap this game based on the above criteria, I would actually move the line to S.F. -5 instead of -3 1/2.
        Fortunately for the Giants, stats don't win games. Performance and execution win games. And when two good teams play against each other, the team that executes the best will win the game - regardless of where the game is being played.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    You don't have to think your team has an "edge" to be a fan. All you have to do is root for your team to win, no matter the odds, to be a true fan.

    Also...The NYG travelling to Boston is a little different that travelling cross-country to SF.

    Areas where I believe the 49ers have an edge:
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    I'm predicting a Giant victory over a young, playing way above their heads, 49er ball club.

    The diff will be Alex Smith and the pressure the Giants will unleash upon him causing him to revert back to seasons past.

    Nothing personal to my 49er friends - especially Tim.

    I know, I know, who am I to talk as my season from hell continues.

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      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      The diff will be Alex Smith and the pressure the Giants will unleash upon him causing him to revert back to seasons past.
      It is such an advantage to be able to pressure the quarterback...it's such a game-changing weapon. And bringing pressure is something the Giants do better than anyone!

      What's even more impressive is, they are able to bring pressure with just their front four - whereas most teams have to use exotic blitz packages to bring the heat.

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      • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
        I'm still not crazy about Alex Smith, but he has had his best year so far mostly because he isn't throwing interceptions and making mistakes.

        Gore is more than just a good player. He has had 5 games in a row with over a 100 yards rushing and is on pace to have around 1600 yards this year. The Niners are the only team in NFL history to have a rushing td and not allow a rushing td in each of their first 7 games. They still haven't allowed a rushing td and the Giants are 29th in the league in rushing offense. The Giants are 25th in the league in rushing defense so the 49ers have a huge edge in running the ball. If Gore is healthy I expect him to have a big game. Alex Smith won't pass that much so the pressure from the Giants shouldn't be a big factor, unless they get behind early.

        It will come down to can the Niners stop the Giants passing game and can the Giants stop the Niners running game. Should be a good game.
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        • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
          Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

          Alex Smith won't pass that much so the pressure from the Giants shouldn't be a big factor, unless they get behind early.
          The 49er's aren't going to beat the Giants just by running the football. That ain't gonna happen, because the Giants can score. In order to beat good teams, you have to have balance. That means like it or not, Alex Smith is going to have to throw the football. The Giants will get plenty of chances to harass him. And the Giants WILL score a rushing td in this game.

          I do agree with you on one thing: It should be a good game.

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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

          I'm still not crazy about Alex Smith, but he has had his best year so far mostly because he isn't throwing interceptions and making mistakes.

          Gore is more than just a good player. He has had 5 games in a row with over a 100 yards rushing...

          ...and is on pace to have around 1600 yards this year. The Niners are the only team in NFL history to have a rushing td and not allow a rushing td in each of their first 7 games.

          They still haven't allowed a rushing td and the Giants are 29th in the league in rushing offense.

          The Giants are 25th in the league in rushing defense so the 49ers have a huge edge in running the ball.

          If Gore is healthy I expect him to have a big game. Alex Smith won't pass that much so the pressure from the Giants shouldn't be a big factor, unless they get behind early.

          It will come down to can the Niners stop the Giants passing game and can the Giants stop the Niners running game. Should be a good game.
          I think the game will turn on the 49ers ability to throw the ball.

          If I was the Giant def coordinator, I wouldn't let Frank Gore beat me, I'd make Alex Smith beat me.

          But those stat matchups look daunting in San Fran's favor.

          All The Best!!

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          • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            Those stat matchups look daunting in San Fran's favor.
            You want to hear a daunting stat: Before the Giants beat them, the Patriots had won 20 consecutive regular season games at home. Think about that for a second - 20 consecutive home games. You just don't beat the Patriots in Foxboro. Now that's what I call a daunting stat.

            Fortunately for the Giants, stats, daunting or otherwise, don't win games. Performance and execution win games. And when two good teams play against each other, the team that executes the best will win the game - regardless of where the game is being played.

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            • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
              Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

              You want to hear a daunting stat: Before the Giants beat them, the Patriots had won 20 consecutive regular season games at home. Think about that for a second - 20 consecutive home games. You just don't beat the Patriots in Foxboro. Now that's what I call a daunting stat.

              Fortunately for the Giants, stats, daunting or otherwise, don't win games. Performance and execution win games. And when two good teams play against each other, the team that executes the best will win the game - regardless of where the game is being played.

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              They also held Pats to a scoreless first half for the first time since 2006.

              Not too shabby.
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              • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
                Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                They also held Pats to a scoreless first half for the first time since 2006.
                Now that was impressive. Fans always ask why Reese keeps stockpiling stud pass rushers when he already has so many. The answer is simple. When you can put pressure on the quarterback, you can beat Tom Brady in his house and in the Super Bowl.

                You can NEVER have too many pass rushers. Speaking of pass rushers, the Giants just added Jason Pierre Paul's teammate at South Floriida, Craig Marshall to their practice squad.

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                • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                  The Giants have a good team and the win against New England was impressive, but how did they lose to Seattle and Washington, two below average teams? The Redskins' Grossman had an excellent game against the Giants 21/34 305 yards, 2 TDs no interceptions. Seattle used two QBs and combined for 26/41 315 yards. 2 td 1 int.

                  Sure, the Giants get their sacks, but if you can run against them why pass? The Niners have the fewest pass attempts in the league and also the fewest interceptions. Their passing game is improving but they are winning despite not having a strong passing game. It's efficient enough though.
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                  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                    Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                    The Giants have a good team and the win against New England was impressive, but how did they lose to Seattle and Washington, two below average teams? The Redskins' Grossman had an excellent game against the Giants 21/34 305 yards, 2 TDs no interceptions. Seattle used two QBs and combined for 26/41 315 yards. 2 td 1 int.

                    Sure, the Giants get their sacks, but if you can run against them why pass? The Niners have the fewest pass attempts in the league and also the fewest interceptions. Their passing game is improving but they are winning despite not having a strong passing game. It's efficient enough though.

                    Like they say, "Any given Sunday..."

                    And like TL said - that's why they actually play the games.

                    One of the more frustrating things about the Giants is at times they seem to play very poorly against the teams they "should beat". I suppose anyone can say that about any team, but I only follow the Giants. If you watched the Miami game, they weren't at their best there either.

                    But on the other side of that coin, that also seem to play BETTER then they "should" against good teams.

                    That's why I may give an edge to the other team, but never consider the Giants an easy victory for any team.

                    Stats are just fine when trying to determine point spreads. But they mean a lot less when the whistle blows and the clock starts.

                    This is one game I am looking forward to.
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                    • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
                      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                      But on the other side of that coin, that also seem to play BETTER then they "should" against good teams.
                      Pessimistic fans like you drive optimistic fans like me crazy. What do you mean they seem to play better than they should against good teams? Better than they should? The Giants are a damn good team capable of beating anybody. The way I look at it is, they play up to their potential against good teams, but often play down to the level of bad teams - but alot of good teams do that.

                      It's hard to get motivated against bad teams. That's why there are upsets every week.

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                      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                        Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

                        Pessimistic fans like you drive optimistic fans like me crazy. What do you mean they seem to play better than they should against good teams? Better than they should? The Giants are a damn good team capable of beating anybody. The way I look at it is, they play up to their potential against good teams, but often play down to the level of bad teams - but alot of good teams do that.

                        It's hard to get motivated against bad teams. That's why there are upsets every week.

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                        You infer way too much in to my responses.

                        Let me guess - you're also a Yankees fan. Yes?

                        It's not just the fans who say that about the Giants. So do most of the beat writers as well as sports radio jocks.

                        Like it or not, they have had a long time "Jekyl and Hyde" reputation. It has nothing to do with being pessimistic. It has to do with the reality of how they play.

                        They are doing well this year. Just enjoy it. If you don't particularly care for my views - ignore them

                        Edit: there's also a difference between being optimistic and being blinded by being a fan. The stats DO say more about the Giants than you seem to be willing to see.
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                        • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
                          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                          You infer way too much in to my responses.

                          Let me guess - you're also a Yankees fan. Yes?

                          It's not just the fans who say that about the Giants. So do most of the beat writers as well as sports radio jocks.

                          Like it or not, they have had a long time "Jekyl and Hyde" reputation. It has nothing to do with being pessimistic. It has to do with the reality of how they play.

                          They are doing well this year. Just enjoy it. If you don't particularly care for my views - ignore them

                          Edit: there's also a difference between being optimistic and being blinded by being a fan. The stats DO say more about the Giants than you seem to be willing to see.
                          Again, this is a sports thread...emotions are involved. I care about the Giants, and I'm going to defend my team passionately if I feel they're not getting the proper credit. That's what fans do - defend their teams. Frankly, it sucks having to defend my team against another "supposed" Giants fan. But it's not personal - at least it's not for me.

                          Regarding stats, the only stat that matters at the end of the day is wins and losses. After seeing what the Giants did to the Patriots on Sunday and in the Super Bowl, you should realize that by now.

                          And you assume way too much...I'm not a Yankees fan. In fact, I hate baseball.

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                          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                            Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

                            Again, this is a sports thread...emotions are involved. I care about the Giants, and I'm going to defend my team passionately if I feel they're not getting the proper credit. That's what fans do - defend their teams. Frankly, it sucks having to defend my team against another "supposed" Giants fan. But it's not personal - at least it's not for me.

                            Regarding stats, the only stat that matters at the end of the day is wins and losses. After seeing what the Giants did to the Patriots on Sunday and in the Super Bowl, you should realize that by now.

                            And you assume way too much...I'm not a Yankees fan. In fact, I hate baseball.

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                            Oh, there's no "supposed" about it. True Blue through and through. But again I say, blind defense is not what I do. In fact, I would call my viewpoints more on the objective side.

                            I want them to win every single game. But I think that is an unrealistic expectation.

                            If that makes me less of a fan in someones eyes... so be it

                            Baseball for me runs a very close second. Not a Yankees FAN, but I do like them.
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                  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                    Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                    The Giants have a good team and the win against New England was impressive, but how did they lose to Seattle and Washington, two below average teams? The Redskins' Grossman had an excellent game against the Giants 21/34 305 yards, 2 TDs no interceptions. Seattle used two QBs and combined for 26/41 315 yards. 2 td 1 int.

                    Sure, the Giants get their sacks, but if you can run against them why pass? The Niners have the fewest pass attempts in the league and also the fewest interceptions. Their passing game is improving but they are winning despite not having a strong passing game. It's efficient enough though.

                    I'm very impressed by the stat of the 49ers fewest pass attempts in the league.

                    That tells me that they may be like the 72 Dolfins who threw an average of something like only 15 times a game.

                    Teams knew what they were going to do, but couldn't stop them anyway because their running game was very tricky and they also had a deep threat - Warfield.

                    But the shoddy performance against a woeful Washington team may be a sign of the high flying 49ers coming back down to earth.


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                    • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
                      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                      I'm very impressed by the stat of the 49ers fewest pass attempts in the league.

                      That tells me that they may be like the 72 Dolfins who threw an average of something like only 15 times a game.
                      72 Dolphins? That's an insult to the Dolphins. The 49er's are a good team, but the 72 Dolphins they ain't! I understand the point you're trying to make about fewest pass attempts. I just think it's a bad comparison.

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                      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                        Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

                        72 Dolphins?

                        That's an insult to the Dolphins.

                        The 49er's are a good team, but the 72 Dolphins they ain't!

                        I understand the point you're trying to make about fewest pass attempts.

                        I just think it's a bad comparison.

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                        Thanks for the laugh!!

                        It's impressive when you can run the ball when other teams know you're going to run and still be successful.

                        IMHO, it's much more impressive than when teams know you're going to pass - and mix in a few runs - like the Pats of the last decade or so.

                        BTW, I loved the Giants beating the Pats in that Super Bowl and that play by Eli and David Tyree was IMHO the greatest play in Super Bowl history.

                        It's a great testament to never giving up on a play by the whole Giants offense.

                        All The Best!!

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                    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                      The Niners running game is not a usual one. They really change things up and try to keep the other team guessing. Two or even three tight ends is common.

                      It's really interesting what Harbough is doing with the offense. He's bringing Smith along carefully into the new system ( Smith has had like 7 different offensive coaches with the Niners. ) However, he is using his creativity in the running game. Gore is underrated and I expect he will get another 100 yard game. He already has the team record at 5 in a row.

                      "So far this year, the NFL has seen 68 100-yard rushers. Those runners' teams have won 53 times (.779 win percentage). Since 2000, there have been 1,584 100-yard men. Their teams have won 1,183 times (.747). "

                      The New York Giants' Porous Run Defense Is Playing With Fire - WSJ.com

                      I really don't see the Giants great pass rushers playing a huge role in this game. I think it will be close but I predict a Niner win by 10.
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                      I'm very impressed by the stat of the 49ers fewest pass attempts in the league.

                      That tells me that they may be like the 72 Dolfins who threw an average of something like only 15 times a game.

                      Teams knew what they were going to do, but couldn't stop them anyway because their running game was very tricky
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                      • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
                        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                        "So far this year, the NFL has seen 68 100-yard rushers. Those runners' teams have won 53 times (.779 win percentage). Since 2000, there have been 1,584 100-yard men. Their teams have won 1,183 times (.747)."
                        "Now enter the Giants defense. Four times this year, the Giants have stepped aside for a 100-yard runner. All four times, the Giants won the game. Huh?"

                        That's right, all four times, the Giants won the game. You guys can quote meaningless stats all day long. But at the end of the day, the only stat that matters is wins and losses.

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                        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                          Yeah, that's why the title of the article is "The New York Giants' Porous Run Defense is Playing With Fire".

                          The next quote after the one you posted is: "Yeah, well, that's not going to last," said defensive end Dave Tollefson, with a half snort, half head-shake. "If we play against the run like we've played any of the last eight games, they're going to run all over us."

                          How come my stats are meaningless but the stats that show the Giants have great pass rushers and a strong passing game are relevant?

                          Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

                          "Now enter the Giants defense. Four times this year, the Giants have stepped aside for a 100-yard runner. All four times, the Giants won the game. Huh?"

                          That's right, all four times, the Giants won the game. You guys can quote meaningless stats all day long. But at the end of the day, the only stat that matters is wins and losses.

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                          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                            Yeah, that's why the title of the article is "The New York Giants' Porous Run Defense is Playing With Fire".

                            The next quote after the one you posted is: "Yeah, well, that's not going to last," said defensive end Dave Tollefson, with a half snort, half head-shake. "If we play against the run like we've played any of the last eight games, they're going to run all over us."

                            How come my stats are meaningless but the stats that show the Giants have great pass rushers and a strong passing game are relevant?
                            Because he's a die-hard Giants fan

                            This morning I was reading in the sports section some comments by the Giants themselves. They are acutely aware of the Niners top notch running game and the issues with their run defense. They know they have their work cut out for them.

                            The thing with the Giants - they will bring their 'A' game to S.F. If the Niners think this will be an easy victory (which I hope they DO think that) then they will be in for a rude awakening.

                            Either way, I am looking forward to this game.
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                            • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                              The Niners are not thinking this will be an easy victory. They are pumped up for this game, especially after the Giants beat the Patriots. Personally I am looking forward to this game as much as any all year. Should be a good one and a good test to see how good the Niners really are.

                              Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                              Because he's a die-hard Giants fan

                              This morning I was reading in the sports section some comments by the Giants themselves. They are acutely aware of the Niners top notch running game and the issues with their run defense. They know they have their work cut out for them.

                              The thing with the Giants - they will bring their 'A' game to S.F. If the Niners think this will be an easy victory (which I hope they DO think that) then they will be in for a rude awakening.

                              Either way, I am looking forward to this game.
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                                Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                                Should be a good one and a good test to see how good the Niners really are.
                                Much better. That's all I was looking for - a little respect for the Giants. It will be a good test for both teams.

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                                • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                                  I don't think I dissed the Giants in any way. I know they are a good team. Hell, they have been for a while, although they have had their ups and downs. It's been a long time since the Niners have been good. I'm enjoying it.

                                  Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

                                  Much better. That's all I was looking for - a little respect for the Giants. It will be a good test for both teams.

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                                    Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                                    I don't think I dissed the Giants in any way. I know they are a good team. Hell, they have been for a while, although they have had their ups and downs. It's been a long time since the Niners have been good. I'm enjoying it.
                                    Yes, the Giants have their ups and downs - like every other team in the league. I took offense when you made it a point to mention the Giants struggles stopping the run, but didn't bother to mention the 49er's struggles stopping the pass. Even though I'm a diehard Giants fan, you will never hear me discount another team. I don't do that.

                                    The fact of the matter is, every team in the NFL is flawed - every single one!

                                    By the way, Frank Gore is going to play Sunday. I don't know how much he's going to play, but he says he's going to play.

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                                    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                                      Geesh, I did say it will come down to the Niners being able to stop the Giants passing game and the Giants being able to stop the Niners running game. I mentioned the Giants struggles stopping the running offense because you mentioned the amazing passing rush success of the Giants. There is nothing there to take offense to.

                                      Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

                                      Yes, the Giants have their ups and downs - like every other team in the league. I took offense when you made it a point to mention the Giants struggles stopping the run, but didn't bother to mention the 49er's struggles stopping the pass.
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                              Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                              Because he's a die-hard Giants fan
                              It shows, huh?

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                          • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
                            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                            How come my stats are meaningless but the stats that show the Giants have great pass rushers and a strong passing game are relevant?
                            Because everyone knows if you can pressure the quarterback effectively, it can dramatically alter the outcome of the game - no matter who the quarterback is. That's Nfl Football 101. However, not being able to stop the run DOES NOT preclude a good team from winning if they're strong enough in other areas, as the Giants are.

                            The Giants 4-0 winning record when allowing a 100-yard rusher is a testament to that. So no, those rushing stats aren't relevant as far as the Giants are concerned - until and unless it starts costing them games.

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    We'll see when they meet on the gridiron.

    That's why they play the game.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    I "think" this is a fluke...But for those saying you have to pass to win, you didn't see my Broncos and Tebow this past week.

    Broncos were down 24-14 with 5+ minutes left in the 3rd quarter, and didn't throw another pass the rest of the game, scoring 24 straight points, mostly off the old college option.

    I'm not saying it will continue, only that it happened.
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  • Profile picture of the author HarryS
    Miami has a terrible record, but in every game they were very competitive and in a few gave up the lead late. From what I have seen of the Giants, they have been very consistent all year long.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sunfyre7896
    Stats don't "mean" anything once the game starts because they don't control the outcome, play does. But that being said, stats are important because they reflect a teams strengths and weaknesses and show what they have and/or have not been doing. The fact that that 49ers have the number one rush defense reflects on the fact they are the number one scoring defense which reflects that they are a solid defense that is stingy and makes you work for every first down and point more than other teams.

    Yes, execution and matchups matter on the field, but the stats and numbers don't lie. This will not be easy at all for the Giants either. They have to travel to the West coast which is always worse on teams than the other way around. Something to do with people's inner clocks I've heard. They're also going to have to find a way to get their run game going, but it's going to be difficult against a good run defense. This may make them a more one dimensional team.... But we'll see on Sunday. Of course I'm rooting for the Niners seeing as I'm not a Giants or Eagles or 'Skins fan. I'll let you figure out the remaining difference.
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      Originally Posted by Sunfyre7896 View Post

      Stats don't "mean" anything once the game starts because they don't control the outcome, play does. But that being said, stats are important because they reflect a teams strengths and weaknesses and show what they have and/or have not been doing. The fact that that 49ers have the number one rush defense reflects on the fact they are the number one scoring defense which reflects that they are a solid defense that is stingy and makes you work for every first down and point more than other teams.

      Yes, execution and matchups matter on the field, but the stats and numbers don't lie. This will not be easy at all for the Giants either. They have to travel to the West coast which is always worse on teams than the other way around. Something to do with people's inner clocks I've heard. They're also going to have to find a way to get their run game going, but it's going to be difficult against a good run defense. This may make them a more one dimensional team.... But we'll see on Sunday. Of course I'm rooting for the Niners seeing as I'm not a Giants or Eagles or 'Skins fan. I'll let you figure out the remaining difference.

      That is my biggest reason for giving the Niners the edge

      True what you say about stats. But being the number one in this or that does not mean they will automatically play better. Or execute better. Etc.

      This is what makes football so much fun to watch and the number one reason I don't gamble

      While not a Niners "fan", I do root for them more often than not - ESPECIALLY when they play other NFC east teams
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      Originally Posted by Sunfyre7896 View Post

      Stats don't "mean" anything once the game starts because they don't control the outcome, play does. But that being said, stats are important because they reflect a teams strengths and weaknesses and show what they have and/or have not been doing. The fact that that 49ers have the number one rush defense reflects on the fact they are the number one scoring defense which reflects that they are a solid defense that is stingy and makes you work for every first down and point more than other teams.

      Yes, execution and matchups matter on the field, but the stats and numbers don't lie. This will not be easy at all for the Giants either. They have to travel to the West coast which is always worse on teams than the other way around. Something to do with people's inner clocks I've heard. They're also going to have to find a way to get their run game going, but it's going to be difficult against a good run defense. This may make them a more one dimensional team.... But we'll see on Sunday. Of course I'm rooting for the Niners seeing as I'm not a Giants or Eagles or 'Skins fan. I'll let you figure out the remaining difference.
      Actually, I think it's the other way around...Western teams going East have a tougher time...

      Get a team from the West Coast playing an early game back East and when a player gets on the bus to go to the stadium, it's 8:30 AM according to their "biological clock".

      But in this case...The Giants still have to travel cross-country.
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      Originally Posted by Sunfyre7896 View Post

      Of course I'm rooting for the Niners seeing as I'm not a Giants fan.
      Of course you're rooting for the 49er's. Otherwise, you would have approached the argument fairly and argued why it won't be an easy game for the 49er's either - mainly because of the Giants fearsome pass rush and their explosive passing attack. Give credit to both teams.

      Like I said, it should be a good game.

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    I suppose being able to keep teams from scoring more than an average of 15 doesn't matter either? Regardless of what attack you are using on offense, if a team is good at keeping you out of the end zone, along with stopping the run, they're going to be in it almost no matter what, barring turnovers.

    And it appears the Giants now have a slight edge seeing as Gore is questionable for this game. He is the cog of the 9ers offense seeing as they run the ball more than they pass and he's their main option at tailback.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      I haven't heard Gore is questionable. He has said all week he will play. It was just a slightly sprained ankle.

      Originally Posted by Sunfyre7896 View Post

      I suppose being able to keep teams from scoring more than an average of 15 doesn't matter either? Regardless of what attack you are using on offense, if a team is good at keeping you out of the end zone, along with stopping the run, they're going to be in it almost no matter what, barring turnovers.

      And it appears the Giants now have a slight edge seeing as Gore is questionable for this game. He is the cog of the 9ers offense seeing as they run the ball more than they pass and he's their main option at tailback.
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        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        I haven't heard Gore is questionable. He has said all week he will play. It was just a slightly sprained ankle.
        Nothing definitive on NFL.com:

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        That could mean anything. I hope he plays.
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by Sunfyre7896 View Post

      I suppose being able to keep teams from scoring more than an average of 15 doesn't matter either? Regardless of what attack you are using on offense, if a team is good at keeping you out of the end zone, along with stopping the run, they're going to be in it almost no matter what, barring turnovers.

      And it appears the Giants now have a slight edge seeing as Gore is questionable for this game. He is the cog of the 9ers offense seeing as they run the ball more than they pass and he's their main option at tailback.
      If Gore doesn't play the 49ers don't win.

      He reminds me of Robert Newhouse of the Cowboys from the 1970's but he's a few inches taller.

      Notice how Oakland has gone downhill since McFadden got hurt.

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      • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        If Gore doesn't play the 49ers don't win.
        Good teams win every week with key players being out of the lineup. The Giants beat the Patriots without our #1 running back, our #1 wide receiver and our starting center. Good teams find a way to overcome adversity.

        That's what makes them good teams.

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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

          Good teams win every week with key players being out of the lineup. The Giants beat the Patriots without our #1 running back, our #1 wide receiver and our starting center. Good teams find a way to overcome adversity.

          That's what makes them good teams.

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          The Giants are a seasoned, battle tested ball club.

          Well, I'm not sold on the 49ers just yet.

          They've got to be the surprise team of the season...

          ... and in that weak NFC West division, unless they go on a long, long losing skid - they'll be in the playoffs.

          The other teams in the division, St. Louis, Arizona and Seattle absolutely suck out loud.

          This year they are the surprise team that's clicking on all cylinders.

          They may end up winning 10 or 11 or even 12 games and once you're in the playoffs, anything can happen.

          The real test for the franchise will be next year when they have to face a tough schedule because of their 10-11 or 12 wins this season.

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          • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            The Giants are a seasoned, battle tested ball club.

            I'm not sold on the 49ers just yet.
            Yes, the Giants are battle-tested, and yes, the 49er's play in a weak division. But the 49er's have also won 7 out of 8 games. When you win 7 out of 8 games in the nfl, I don't care how weak your division is, you're a good team.

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            • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
              Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

              Yes, the Giants are battle-tested, and yes, the 49er's play in a weak division. But the 49er's have also won 7 out of 8 games. When you win 7 out of 8 games in the nfl, I don't care how weak your division is, you're a good team.

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              I grew up in the NY metro area but I've never liked the Giants or any of the NY teams.

              By the way, I've been with the Colts since 1966.

              When did the Giants start to wear those dirty looking gray pants?

              BTW, here's a link to my fav G-Man picture.

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              • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
                Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                I grew up in the NY metro area but I've never liked the Giants or any of the NY teams.

                I've been with the Colts since 1966.
                I consider Peyton Manning one of the 5 the greatest quarterback of all time. Yet, I totally underestimated his value to the Colts. I just didn't see them falling apart this badly without him. I figured they were at least a 6-10 team without him.

                All this time, he's been carrying that entire franchise on his back. Wow!!!

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                • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                  Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

                  I consider Peyton Manning one of the 5 the greatest quarterback of all time. Yet, I totally underestimated his value to the Colts. I just didn't see them falling apart this badly without him. I figured they were at least a 6-10 team without him.

                  All this time, he's been carrying that entire franchise on his back. Wow!!!

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                  I think a lot of their trouble started off as psychological when they realized they wouldn't have Manning for an extended period of time, and then it snowballed on them.

                  Still, I took a flyer and picked them to get their first win this week. I looked at the rest of their schedule and thought this was the most winnable game, and nobody wants to go winless, so I'm thinking they come out really fired up.

                  I could be wrong, but I only put two points on the game.

                  This was a tough week, I thought. Of course, in my pool we pick every game, so you can't just cherry pick the easy games. I'm 88-42 for the season, 3 games out of first place in a 33 man league. This week could prove pivotal as many of the picks show no clear cut favorites.
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    I hear the reason for the official injury report is for the gambling.

    I think NFL rules state that injuries must be reported honestly and publicly by a certain day.


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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Historically, I like the Colts QBs better than any other team's:

    Manning
    Unitas
    Bert Jones

    Second would be the 49ers:
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    Brodie
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Hey, Kurt,
    Are you around?

    I'll take the Vegas points on this San Dog game, -7 SD.

    Big rivalry here, as I'm fairly sure you know.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      Hey, Kurt,
      Are you around?

      I'll take the Vegas points on this San Dog game, -7 SD.

      Big rivalry here, as I'm fairly sure you know.
      Hey Jim...

      I'm here.

      I'm an AFC West guy and was really looking forward to the game...It's only on NFL network? I don't get NFL Network.

      I may listen to it on the radio.

      I have you down for SD -7.

      I'm not sure about the game, but I'd probably take KC and the points....But I'll pass on this one. I can't even figure out who I want to win with KC, OAK and SD all tied in the standings...I think I'll root for a tie. LOL
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        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Hey Jim...

        I'm here.

        I'm an AFC West guy and was really looking forward to the game...It's only on NFL network? I don't get NFL Network.

        I may listen to it on the radio.

        I have you down for SD -7.

        I'm not sure about the game, but I'd probably take KC and the points....But I'll pass on this one. I can't even figure out who I want to win with KC, OAK and SD all tied in the standings...I think I'll root for a tie. LOL
        Kurt
        That's no good, damn it.
        I'm getting it on FOX, but they were showing the NFL Network logo...
        money, money, money ....Moooney...lol

        Allright then, I'll be back after SD wins...
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    Hey Jim...You gott em right where you want em.

    We were down 24-14 to the Raiduhs last week and scored 24 straight points on them...All without a single pass. You just need to put Rivers in the option. LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    This looks like a game I'd have money on...Chargers score, take it into OT and score another TD, but since it's OT there's no extra point Chargers win by 6 and I don't cover the -7.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    The SF/NY game is but 1 of 7, that's 7 quality games this week.

    IMHO there are always no more than 5 quality games each week.

    The rest are...

    - NO @ ATL
    - PITT @ CIN
    - BUFF @ DAL
    - HOU @ TB
    - DET @ CHI
    - NE @ NYJ

    Nothing personal and no offense if your team was not listed.

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    • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      The SF/NY game is but 1 of 7, that's 7 quality games this week.

      IMHO there are always no more than 5 quality games each week.

      The rest are...

      - NO @ ATL
      - PITT @ CIN
      - BUFF @ DAL
      - HOU @ TB
      - DET @ CHI
      - NE @ NYJ
      I agree with your list 100% except for the Houston@Tampa Bay game. All the other games you listed intrigue me. That game doesn't.

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      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      The SF/NY game is but 1 of 7, that's 7 quality games this week.

      IMHO there are always no more than 5 quality games each week.

      The rest are...

      - NO @ ATL
      - PITT @ CIN
      - BUFF @ DAL
      - HOU @ TB
      - DET @ CHI
      - NE @ NYJ

      Nothing personal and no offense if your team was not listed.

      All The Best!!

      TL

      I'm definitely offended my Broncos weren't mentioned.

      Actually, I'm surprised there isn't more interest with the Broncos installing the zone option as the major part of the offense.

      Some type of option has been the most successful offenses in college with the veer, flex bone, wish bone, zone option, etc. But it's never really been tried in the NFL.

      Sure...Teams will run an option play or two, but never has a team committed to the option like the Broncos have. It will be interesting to see if it will continue to have success and for how long.

      BTW, the Broncos are averaging something like 240 yards per game on the ground in the 3 games Tebow has started.
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      • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
        OK. You sold me on them being an interesting team. I'll check them out if a game is on here.

        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        I'm definitely offended my Broncos weren't mentioned.

        Actually, I'm surprised there isn't more interest with the Broncos installing the zone option as the major part of the offense.

        Some type of option has been the most successful offenses in college with the veer, flex bone, wish bone, zone option, etc. But it's never really been tried in the NFL.

        Sure...Teams will run an option play or two, but never has a team committed to the option like the Broncos have. It will be interesting to see if it will continue to have success and for how long.

        BTW, the Broncos are averaging something like 240 yards per game on the ground in the 3 games Tebow has started.
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        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        I'm definitely offended my Broncos weren't mentioned.

        Actually, I'm surprised there isn't more interest with the Broncos installing the zone option as the major part of the offense.

        Some type of option has been the most successful offenses in college with the veer, flex bone, wish bone, zone option, etc. But it's never really been tried in the NFL.

        Sure...Teams will run an option play or two, but never has a team committed to the option like the Broncos have. It will be interesting to see if it will continue to have success and for how long.

        BTW, the Broncos are averaging something like 240 yards per game on the ground in the 3 games Tebow has started.
        240 yards???

        That's impressive!

        It is most interesting that the Tebow lead Broncs are using this offense - with lots of success.

        IMHO, the only way to stop that option stuff is to commit men to stopping it and to force the QB to beat you throwing the ball.

        Start with 8 in the box with someone assigned to Tebow and the hand off dude.

        If you don't, even the Broncos will run all over you but it may be just a matter of time before someone rocks Tebow's world but he's been smart at avoiding hard hits so far.

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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

          240 yards???

          That's impressive!

          It is most interesting that the Tebow lead Broncs are using this offense - with lots of success.

          IMHO, the only way to stop that option stuff is to commit men to stopping it and to force the QB to beat you throwing the ball.

          Start with 8 in the box with someone assigned to Tebow and the hand off dude.

          If you don't, even the Broncos will run all over you but it may be just a matter of time before someone rocks Tebow's world but he's been smart at avoiding hard hits so far.

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          The Raiders had 8 in the box the entire game and still gave up 299 yards on the ground...However, they weren't very disciplined. Tebow did get hit 18 times in that game, so anyone has to wonder if he can keep it up. And teams seem to be taking more cheap shots at Tebow.

          I'm not sure if either the offense or Tebow can last...I believe there's a reason the NFL doesn't run the option. But it will be fun to check it out in the meantime.

          If anyone's interested, here's some high-lights of Tebow, including running the zone option against the Raiders. If you notice on McGahee's two long TD runs, the Raiders are worried about Tebow keeping the ball, leaving huge gaps for McGahee:

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          • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            The Raiders had 8 in the box the entire game and still gave up 299 yards on the ground...However, they weren't very disciplined. Tebow did get hit 18 times in that game, so anyone has to wonder if he can keep it up. And teams seem to be taking more cheap shots at Tebow.

            I'm not sure if either the offense or Tebow can last...I believe there's a reason the NFL doesn't run the option. But it will be fun to check it out in the meantime.

            If anyone's interested, here's some high-lights of Tebow, including running the zone option against the Raiders. If you notice on McGahee's two long TD runs, the Raiders are worried about Tebow keeping the ball, leaving huge gaps for McGahee:

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            Damn Kurt, you almost turned me into a fan here...he has a lot more huevos than I gave him credit for. (Never saw that Oakland game)

            I will say, I saw something in him...very few of the greats were instantly good in the NFL.

            Elway was one of the exceptions... he was well known in LA in high school for how exceptional he was (We went to different high schools together)
            Even though he was out in the valley, he was well known throughout all the leagues.
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              Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

              Damn Kurt, you almost turned me into a fan here...he has a lot more huevos than I gave him credit for. (Never saw that Oakland game)

              I will say, I saw something in him...very few of the greats were instantly good in the NFL.

              Elway was one of the exceptions... he was well known in LA in high school for how exceptional he was (We went to different high schools together)
              Even though he was out in the valley, he was well known throughout all the leagues.
              Hey Jim...

              I understand that Tebow is over-hyped and gets too much media coverage, so a lot of NFL fans are probably tired of the media exposure...

              But he's a good kid that's fun to watch. He's not the best passer in the NFL (for sure), but he'll knock the head off of a defensive player if given a chance.

              The thing about Tebow is, he's 2-1 this year, while Orton was 1-4 with the same team. Tebow is also 3-3 over the past 2 seasons as a starter, Orton was 4-14. Tebow deserves some credit, at least to this point in time.

              Again, I'm not sold on him yet, but I do root for him to succeed. At the very least, he's more exciting to watch than Kyle Orton, who may be the most boring QB of all time.

              I just hope Tebow can survive. He took a viscous shot to the jaw with a helmet that wasn't called. You can see it at the 1:03 point in the video...His style of play seems to make the D really want to take shots.
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              • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                Hey Jim...

                I understand that Tebow is over-hyped and gets too much media coverage, so a lot of NFL fans are probably tired of the media exposure...

                But he's a good kid that's fun to watch. He's not the best passer in the NFL (for sure), but he'll knock the head off of a defensive player if given a chance.

                The thing about Tebow is, he's 2-1 this year, while Orton was 1-4 with the same team. Tebow is also 3-3 over the past 2 seasons as a starter, Orton was 4-14. Tebow deserves some credit, at least to this point in time.

                Again, I'm not sold on him yet, but I do root for him to succeed. At the very least, he's more exciting to watch than Kyle Orton, who may be the most boring QB of all time.

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                No he isn't...maybe his receivers have to get used to a left hand spiral? (If he could throw one)
                I honestly don't know if Orton was left handed or not, I usually fell asleep before he threw..lol (j/k)

                Actually liking what I see...I may have underestimated him...I usually pride myself on not underestimating anyone (which can be dangerous).


                Actually I hope I am/was mistaken about him...

                I'm really not sure on him.

                Consistency is 'strength', though...in anything
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                • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                  Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

                  No he isn't...maybe his receivers have to get used to a left hand spiral? (If he could throw one)
                  I honestly don't know if Orton was left handed or not, I usually fell asleep before he threw..lol (j/k)

                  Actually liking what I see...I may have underestimated him...I usually pride myself on not underestimating anyone (which can be dangerous).


                  Actually I hope I am/was mistaken about him...

                  I'm really not sure on him.

                  Consistency is 'strength', though...in anything
                  Tebow hasn't passed for a high percentage. I think he's been below 50% in every game he's played. But he does make good decisions. I think his TD to INT is 11 TDs 4 INTs.

                  11 and 4 is excellent for a QB in his first 6 starts. While he may miss some wide open WRs, at least he isn't throwing to the wrong team... <cough> Phillip Rivers </cough>
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              • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                Hey Jim...

                I understand that Tebow is over-hyped and gets too much media coverage, so a lot of NFL fans are probably tired of the media exposure...

                But he's a good kid that's fun to watch. He's not the best passer in the NFL (for sure), but he'll knock the head off of a defensive player if given a chance.

                The thing about Tebow is, he's 2-1 this year, while Orton was 1-4 with the same team. Tebow is also 3-3 over the past 2 seasons as a starter, Orton was 4-14. Tebow deserves some credit, at least to this point in time.

                Again, I'm not sold on him yet, but I do root for him to succeed. At the very least, he's more exciting to watch than Kyle Orton, who may be the most boring QB of all time.

                I just hope Tebow can survive. He took a viscous shot to the jaw with a helmet that wasn't called. You can see it at the 1:03 point in the video...His style of play seems to make the D really want to take shots.
                The key is winning and Tebow is at least 50% in his 6 starts.

                I'm also impressed at his TD to INT ratio another big key at staying in and winning games.

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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      The SF/NY game is but 1 of 7, that's 7 quality games this week.

      IMHO there are always no more than 5 quality games each week.

      The rest are...

      - NO @ ATL
      - PITT @ CIN
      - BUFF @ DAL
      - HOU @ TB
      - DET @ CHI
      - NE @ NYJ

      Nothing personal and no offense if your team was not listed.

      All The Best!!

      TL
      No offense taken, but IMO, every game the Packers play from here on will be interesting until someone beats them. Every team is going to get up for the game, hoping to not only defeat the reigning Superbowl champions, but to be the first team to beat the only undefeated team in the league.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        No offense taken, but IMO, every game the Packers play from here on will be interesting until someone beats them. Every team is going to get up for the game, hoping to not only defeat the reigning Superbowl champions, but to be the first team to beat the only undefeated team in the league.
        They've been fun to watch this year.

        I think Detroit can beat them. Being division rivals they know each other well.

        I also think the Giants have a shot, considering how they've been playing.

        Oh look - those are the next two teams GB faces!

        Should be good games.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

          They've been fun to watch this year.

          I think Detroit can beat them. Being division rivals they know each other well.

          I also think the Giants have a shot, considering how they've been playing.

          Oh look - those are the next two teams GB faces!

          Should be good games.
          Those should be good games. Monday's game against the Vikings will probably be better than most people would expect given the Vikings record, but it's a divisional game, and you know how those go.

          I'll tell you what, if not for Aaron Rodgers playing so well they would have at least two defeats already. The guy has been unconscious.

          The trouble with the Pack is the injuries on defense. Once they lost pro-bowl safety Nick Collins for the year, and their other safety is a 2nd rookie playing with a broken hand (spent the first year on IR), and their top cornerback Tramon Williams missed time and is still playing injured, that really hurt their pass defense.

          Another starter, defensive end Mike Neal hasn't played yet either. He finally practiced this week but who knows if he'll play. Probably not much, if at all. Without him Clay Matthews is double-teamed all the time so their not getting much of a pass rush. Good thing they're scoring an average of 34+ a game.
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    Atlanta...L

    Pittsburgh...W

    Cleveland...L

    Dallas...W

    Jacksonville...W

    Kansas City....L

    Miami...W

    Philadelphia...L

    Houston...W

    Baltimore...L

    Chicago...W

    San Francisco...W

    New England...W

    Green Bay...W

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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    IND
    DEN
    DAL
    BAL

    OK Jim...These aren't all cherry pickin'...I've got Indy winning and getting off The Schnide. I'm also taking my home boys to beat the Chefs on the road. And have the Cowpies winning, with the Crows beating the Gulls.

    BTW, how do you spell Schnide?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      IND
      DEN
      DAL
      BAL

      OK Jim...These aren't all cherry pickin'...I've got Indy winning and getting off The Schnide. I'm also taking my home boys to beat the Chefs on the road. And have the Cowpies winning, with the Crows beating the Gulls.

      BTW, how do you spell Schnide?
      Must be something in the air? I took Indy this week too, as I explained back in post post 337.

      You spelled schnide correctly.

      In addition to Indy, I'm picking 49'ers, Steelers, and of course, the Pack. I cherry-picked with the Packers, but hey, that's my team.
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      IND L
      DEN Win!!!!
      DAL W
      BAL L

      OK Jim...These aren't all cherry pickin'...I've got Indy winning and getting off The Schnide. I'm also taking my home boys to beat the Chefs on the road. And have the Cowpies winning, with the Crows beating the Gulls.

      BTW, how do you spell Schnide?
      Tough week.... 2 and 2.

      I always do better early in the year than latter...

      32-9 overall.

      Last time I'm picking the Indianapolis Schnides. I think Dennis jinxed me.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Tough week.... 2 and 2.

        I always do better early in the year than latter...

        32-9 overall.

        Last time I'm picking the Indianapolis Schnides. I think Dennis jinxed me.
        Tough week indeed, I had my season worst week, 8-7 not counting tonight's game, and I actually moved UP in the rankings! Now tied for 3rd out of 33 players.

        About that jinx though, I'm NOT picking Indy again this year unless Manning comes back, so maybe you should pick them the rest of the way.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          Tough week indeed, I had my season worst week, 8-7 not counting tonight's game, and I actually moved UP in the rankings! Now tied for 3rd out of 33 players.

          About that jinx though, I'm NOT picking Indy again this year unless Manning comes back, so maybe you should pick them the rest of the way.
          After you breaking my mojo and losing my black cat bone, I'm "off the Schnides" until next year...

          ...And good morning Matt Leinhart. Time to get out of the hot tubs with the pretty girls and see if you can lead a good team. It's really too bad for the Texans that Schaub is out. With the way they handled the Steelers earlier in the year, they were looking to be the best team in the AFC.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    My local team the Skins will be playing Miami at 1PM and I don't plan on watching a single snap.

    But according to my TV listings...

    I get the honor of watching the Giants visit San Fran today.

    It will be my 4PM game and I plan on watching every single snap.


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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Who has introduced more Hall Of Famers than anyone else??
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      Who has introduced more Hall Of Famers than anyone else??
      Al Davis????
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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Al Davis????
        Yes!!


        I saw the NFL production "Al Davis A Football Life" last night and I was very impressed with the many marks he left on the game.

        Yet another Brooklynite, he modeled the Raiders uniforms after the Black Knights of Army on the Hudson, but changed the gold to silver.

        Good Luck Today!!

        TL


        PS. He even tries to take credit for the Steelers finally going with Bradshaw claiming he put a good word in for Terry to his good friend Chuck Noll and ( much to his chagrin ) the rest is history.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Broncos 169 yards rushing, 0 yards passing at half time. Up 10-0.
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    I'm a Green Bay Packers fan from Wisconsin, so I'm hoping the Packers and Steelers repeat.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    I was wrong about the 49ers.

    They hung tough to beat the Giants without much of their celebrated running game and found a way to win.

    When they get into the playoffs anything can happen.

    As Tim Tebow - (who's 3-1 as a starter) says, it's about wins - no matter how you get them.

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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Congrats on the Broncos victory Kurt...even though I bet on KC, I found myself wanting Denver to win in the end.

    2 for 8? and a W.
    Will wonders never cease

    Looks like you might have the Rocky story goin' on up there...
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      Congrats on the Broncos victory Kurt...even though I bet on KC, I found myself wanting Denver to win in the end.

      2 for 8? and a W.
      Will wonders never cease

      Looks like you might have the Rocky story goin' on up there...
      Hey Jim...Since you're an AFCW guy...

      Not here, but before the season I jokingly predicted every team in the AFC West would finish in a 4 way tie with 8-8 records, with the Broncos winning the division based on the 16th tie breaker...That predictions isn't looking too bad right now.

      Tebow actually didn't have much of a chance to pass, but he didn't look all that bad when he did. He had a couple of drops, and another that weren't perfect but were catchable and only one really bad pass. The Broncos didn't even attempt a pass until about 4-5 minutes into the second quarter.

      Also, we lost McGahee and Knowshon Moreno in the first quarter and still ran the ball.
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      • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Hey Jim...Since you're an AFCW guy...

        Not here, but before the season I jokingly predicted every team in the AFC West would finish in a 4 way tie with 8-8 records, with the Broncos winning the division based on the 16th tie breaker...That predictions isn't looking too bad right now.

        Tebow actually didn't have much of a chance to pass, but he didn't look all that bad when he did. He had a couple of drops, and another that weren't perfect but were catchable and only one really bad pass. The Broncos didn't even attempt a pass until about 4-5 minutes into the second quarter.

        Also, we lost McGahee and Knowshon Moreno in the first quarter and still ran the ball.

        I actually got to see them play for once. He had one sweet pass for touchdown.
        When McGahee got hurt I thought I had a chance to win...oh well...

        One of the commentators was mentioning the tie happening, can't remember which one. I'll actually be highly entertained if Denver does pull it off ...


        This game tonight could very well end up a blowout.
        (Pack -13, Vegas)

        Time to drink some beer and watch it...
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  • Profile picture of the author Sunfyre7896
    The AFC is ridiculous. A week after finishing off the Steelers in a sweep of them, the Ravens laid an egg, going into panic mode passing over 50 times and running less than 10, and falling to the horrible Seahawks. Wow. Also, the Jets on the rise and the Pats falling with the worst passing defense in the league, you'd expect a closer game and with the Jets at home, having a good chance to pull out a close win. No way. The Pats win by 3 TD's. Every week a new team takes over as the favorite and now it's Houston. Who knows. We'll see. . . . Giants and Cowboys now a game apart with 2 games head to head. Cowboys next 3 is pretty easy and the Giants are in a tough stretch. Still up for grabs. Don't think Chicago, as good as they've been playing, can beat out Green Bay, despite Green Bay's passing defense being horribly suspect. The South is also competitive, but New Orleans looks like they're in control with maybe ATL vying for a wild card. Either Dallas/Giants, ATL, and Chicago will all be going for the wild cards as it stands now and appears to be trending. I'm counting out Detroit for the time being. It also appears we need to, as they stated on ESPN, eulogize the Dream Team, at 3-6, especially with Vick having broken ribs. For a pocket passer, that would be fine, like with Romo, but with Vick's running style, it's going to seriously hinder his game if he plays.

    Taking Green Bay to win easily tonight by probably 14 or so. Rodgers is just having too much a record first half and while he may slow and come back to earth, it won't be against the bad Vikes. Take Green Bay laying the chalk.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    I was actually kind of impressed with Ponder tonight.
    Might sound funny with that kind of blowout...

    Give that guy a couple of years...showed a lot of cool under pressure.

    ps...especially for a rookie.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      I was actually kind of impressed with Ponder tonight.
      Might sound funny with that kind of blowout...

      Give that guy a couple of years...showed a lot of cool under pressure.

      ps...especially for a rookie.
      He's got a chance to be a good quarterback . . . but how about them Packers!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    The Packers website has a guy named Vic Ketchman that answers fans questions about the game. He's a pretty good read. I've learned quite a bit I never knew, but he also jokes around a bit, which makes it more fun. Anyway, I thought you guys might get a kick out of this question and answer:

    How does the practice schedule change for a team playing on a Thursday?

    For the week of a Thursday game, Monday would probably be a Wednesday, Tuesday would be a Thursday and Wednesday would be a Saturday, which would probably be a Tuesday, along with Sunday. You know what I mean? I’ve done this for 40 years and I still don’t understand it.

    I got a kick out of anyway, but sometimes I'm easily amused.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Spotlight on the Tebow lead Broncos tonight against the mean of green - The Jets.

    It should prove interesting and I'll be watching.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      Spotlight on the Tebow lead Broncos tonight against the mean of green - The Jets.

      It should prove interesting and I'll be watching.

      TL
      Rex Ryan was a coach at Oklahoma and he also wrote a 20 page report on how to stop the option. It will be interesting to see what he comes up with. I'm guessing a lot of 5 man line.

      And...The spread has gone up, from the Jets being - 3 1/2 to -7 now...Would have been a great time to bet a "middle", if you had gotten the Jets at -3 1/2.

      The interesting thing is, when the line moves that much, the public is usually wrong. I wonder if it's the public moving the line or a wise guy?

      Jim...I've got my Broncos +7. I don't have a lot of confidence, but I'm taking the points with the Broncos at home and the Jets having to travel on a short week.

      PS...Hopefully this isn't why the Jets uniforms are green:

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      • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Rex Ryan was a coach at Oklahoma and he also wrote a 20 page report on how to stop the option. It will be interesting to see what he comes up with. I'm guessing a lot of 5 man line.

        And...The spread has gone up, from the Jets being - 3 1/2 to -7 now...Would have been a great time to bet a "middle", if you had gotten the Jets at -3 1/2.

        The interesting thing is, when the line moves that much, the public is usually wrong. I wonder if it's the public moving the line or a wise guy?

        Jim...I've got my Broncos +7. I don't have a lot of confidence, but I'm taking the points with the Broncos at home and the Jets having to travel on a short week.
        Kurt,

        Personally I haven't seen more than 6 & 1/2 out of Vegas. Some -6...

        I wasn't going to bet this game because it is one where, definitely, anything can happen.

        But just to make it an interesting game for me, I'll go with the Jets -6 1/2.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    That Tebow type of running offense can work if he can keep defenses honest by successfully ( and just the threat of ) throwing the ball medium, medium-long (about 17-25 yards) and long.

    If I were the Broncs, I'd try to be like the Steelers of the 1970's and that undefeated Dolphins team.

    They hardly ever threw the ball short and/or to the running backs and had awesome running games.

    I'd like to see it work with consistency.

    Of course, NFL players try to hit as folks as hard as possible but I suspect defenses will attempt to stand Tebow up as often as possible and blast him.

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    stats show unders 4-1

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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I'm a huge Greenbay fan, but I really love watching Tim Tebow. I don't care what his stats look like, he somehow makes it happen.
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    I'll post after I'm done Tebowing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      I'll post after I'm done Tebowing.

      Teeeeebow Tiiiiime...pulled it all out his culo.... again!!!


      Congrats Kurt...
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by garyv View Post

        I'm a huge Greenbay fan, but I really love watching Tim Tebow. I don't care what his stats look like, he somehow makes it happen.
        Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

        Teeeeebow Tiiiiime...pulled it all out his culo.... again!!!


        Congrats Kurt...
        As a Bronco fan, I have a huge interest in Tebow and have followed him since he was drafted. I can't explain it. He still confuses me and everything I thought I knew about football. All the kid does is win. I like it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          As a Bronco fan, I have a huge interest in Tebow and have followed him since he was drafted. I can't explain it. He still confuses me and everything I thought I knew about football. All the kid does is win. I like it.

          Tell me about it, still scratchin' what's left of me head.
          I like the play calling, has a lot to do with it. (IMO..(for wombats).
          Keepin the opposition confused...I haven't looked at the stats of last nights game, but the defense looked pretty good too.

          If this turns into a 'Cinderella' story and they get into the playoffs...I will have at least a half hour of serious lol'ing...


          ps I haven't seen Elway look that happy in a while...well...happy looking for Elway anyway...
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Congats to the Broncs and Tebow for pulling out the victory.

    BTW...

    Who was the idiot that authorized that all out blitz that enabled Tebow to score from 20 yards out??

    Was it the spirit of Buddy Ryan??

    It was a 3rd and 4 at the 20 and even a 10 yard sack would not have knocked the Broncs out of easy field goal range.

    Since the Broncos were in easy field goal range the Jets should have concentrated on keeping the Broncos out of the end zone and then seeking a win in overtime.

    - The call was almost as stupid as that call by the Atlanta coach last Sunday.

    There was no good reason to call an all out blitz in that situation because...

    ...all it does is increase the chances of something bad happening to your defense and your cause.

    This is at least the 4th time (that I know of), that a defensive coordinator's unnecessary all out blitz cost his team the game - this season.

    Live by the blitz, die by the blitz.

    But a 95 yard drive in the final minutes of a game was very exciting and I'm glad Tebow made them pay for their arrogance and stupidity.

    All The Best!!

    TL


    Correction...

    I just found out that the Bronco kicker has had trouble making field goals outside of 40 yards.

    If the Jets had sacked Tebow for a loss of at least 5 yards that would have pushed the FG attempt over 40 yards and who knows what may have happened on the kick.

    Maybe that's what the Jet's def coordinator was thinking.

    But an all out blitz still dramatically increases the chances of what actually happened instead of forcing an incomplete pass or stuffing a running play and having the Broncs settle for a FG.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      An all out blitz still dramatically increases the chances of what actually happened instead of forcing an incomplete pass or stuffing a running play and having the Broncs settle for a FG.
      I totally disagree. It's easy to criticize the call after the fact - especially since it didn't work. But an all out blitz was exactly the right call in that situation. As a defense protecting a 3-point lead, you want to take away the 3-step game (slant, hitch, smash, option) and force Tebow to make quick decisions in the pocket.

      Then, when you factor in the Jets’ strong cornerback trio of Revis, Cromartie and Wilson, the call was really a no-brainer. The reason it didn't work was because it wasn't executed properly. Jets safety Eric Smith didn't blitz with contain principles, which is really inexcusable. But I have no problem with the call itself.

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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

        I totally disagree. It's easy to criticize the call after the fact - especially since it didn't work. But an all out blitz was exactly the right call in that situation. As a defense protecting a 3-point lead, you want to take away the 3-step game (slant, hitch, smash, option) and force Tebow to make quick decisions in the pocket.

        Then, when you factor in the Jets' strong secondary of Revis, Cromartie and Wilson, the call was really a no-brainer. The reason it didn't work was because it wasn't executed properly. Jets safety Eric Smith didn't blitz with contain principles, which is really inexcusable. But I have no problem with the call itself.

        David Jackson
        Mr. Smith should have went to Washington instead of across that line of scrimmage (LOL).

        Tebow simply went right around him and I don't think he came close to touching Tebow until Tebow was near the goal line.

        Sure blame Mr. Smith, I blame the Def coordinator.


        My football friend,

        It's conventional wisdom and I'm sure it's backed up by stats, ( probably not available )...

        ... that the blitz, while giving you a chance for a sack also increases the chances of something bad happening to your defense - that would not have happened otherwise - like if you would have rushed only 4 and played coverage.

        Let's take a 3rd and 10 situation from any point on the field.

        On average ( not taking into account individual teams )

        The blitz will increase the percentages of a first down vs. rushing only 3 or 4 men and playing coverage.

        If that QB escapes or they don't get to him, there's a lot of green grass out there for the covermen to cover.

        The NFL average for gaining a 1st down is about 30 percent on 3rd and 10 and the blitz jumps that number up to at least 40%, if not more.

        I bet gaining that 1st down on a 3rd & 10 is even harder on the college level and even harder on the high school level - due to the expertise necessary to convert in such a tough situation.

        David,

        I grew up playing real football ( QB ) and many different American football simulation games that were based on hard stats and they all said in various ways ( charts etc. ) what I said above regarding the blitz and percentages.

        There are many laws in American football that have stood the test of time such as...

        - Short pass intercepts are returned for a TD way more often than medium and long pass intercepts.

        - When teams fumble they lose the ball at least 60% of the time.

        - The team that wins the turnover battle wins 75% of the games.

        - The teams that wins the sack battle wins 75% of their game.

        Oh David I sincerely wish there was an worthy online football strategy game in which we could engage to settle some of our football PHILOSOPHICAL differences.

        If you know of any please let me know.

        All The Best!!

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          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

          Oh David I sincerely wish there was an worthy online football strategy game in which we could engage to settle some of our football PHILOSOPHICAL differences.
          It's sports, we have a difference of opinion, that's all it is to me. Let's not make it any more than that.

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          • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
            Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

            It's sports, we have a difference of opinion, that's all it is to me. Let's not make it any more than that.

            David Jackson
            Just kidding guy.

            It's been so long since I engaged someone in one of those strategy type games, I just couldn't help myself.

            Growing up my brother used to drive me crazy with the short pass.

            I don't know why, but I never got into Madden.

            20 years ago, Tom Landry had a pretty good strategy based game named "Tom Landry Football".

            It was strategy based but you also got to see the play executed with very decent graphics.

            All The Best!!

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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Hey TL,

    Have you checked out a new show on ESPN2 called "Numbers Never Lie"? It has Michael A. Smith and a woman as hosts...They go through various sports stats and numbers and debate them.

    It's a pretty good show...You should check it out if you can, I think you'd like it.

    This is the only clip I could find:

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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Hey TL,

      Have you checked out a new show on ESPN2 called "Numbers Never Lie"? It has Michael A. Smith and a woman as hosts...They go through various sports stats and numbers and debate them.

      It's a pretty good show...You should check it out if you can, I think you'd like it.

      This is the only clip I could find:

      ESPN2 - Numbers Never Lie - U. of the Cumberlands' Drew Yeargin Big Football Hit - YouTube

      Sounds interesting and funny.

      I'm writing it on an index card so that I can search for it later on my Verizon system, schedule a recording and check it out at my leisure.

      Thanks Kurt!

      TL


      Ps. I haven't seen your boy, the crazy sports writer Woody, from your neck of the woods, in quite some time since I haven't seen that show he's on in a while.

      I can't think of the name of the show right now to save my life.
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        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        Sounds interesting and funny.

        I'm writing it on an index card so that I can search for it later on my Verizon system, schedule a recording and check it out at my leisure.

        Thanks Kurt!

        TL


        Ps. I haven't seen your boy, the crazy sports writer Woody, from your neck of the woods, in quite some time since I haven't seen that show he's on in a while.

        I can't think of the name of the show right now to save my life.
        Woody's on "Around the Horn". He's a goof ball on TV. But I've read his columns since 1974, and he can be a great writer. He wrote a column a while back about how Ricky Williams and Doak Walker had become good friiends at the end of Doak's life that still stands out in my mind. He's also written some columns about his father taking him to baseball games as a kid that stand out.

        ...And good morning to Mark Sanchez. #58 was Von Williams, who has 9 sacks in 10 games and is on-pace to catch Jevon Kearse's rookie record of 14 1/2 sacks for a season.
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    Green Bay will probably win it all given how dominant they have been so far this season. I'm hoping Dallas can string some wins together and at least make playoffs because then you never know what could happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Is it me or is there a new rule in the NFL to field punts inside one's own 5 yard line.

    I've seen numerous punt returners actually catch the ball inside the 5 yard line.

    In the past, the rule was for the punt returner to stand at the 10 yard line and if the ball went over their head they should simply let it go and take their chances.

    I've seen one guy for the Skins actually "fair catch" a punt on the 3.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      Is it me or is there a new rule in the NFL to field punts inside one's own 5 yard line.

      I've seen numerous punt returners actually catch the ball inside the 5 yard line.

      In the past, the rule was for the punt returner to stand at the 10 yard line and if the ball went over their head they should simply let it go and take their chances.

      I've seen one guy for the Skins actually "fair catch" a punt on the 3.

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        So my Bucs are traveling to Green Bay this Sunday
        Anybody picking the Bucs to upset:rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          So my Bucs are traveling to Green Bay this Sunday
          Anybody picking the Bucs to upset:rolleyes:


          Not while I'm sober....:p
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          So my Bucs are traveling to Green Bay this Sunday
          Anybody picking the Bucs to upset:rolleyes:
          Um...you can't win 'em all, Thom.


          And I have to quit picking the Jets. They're killing me.


          Kurt, Tebow kind of reminds me of Vince Young. He a runner, but can't pass consistently. That eventually cost a fairly good coach his job in Tennessee. Tebow is going to have to learn to pass or the Bronco's will be back to square one at quarterback, trying to find one who can.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            Um...you can't win 'em all, Thom.


            And I have to quit picking the Jets. They're killing me.


            Kurt, Tebow kind of reminds me of Vince Young. He a runner, but can't pass consistently. That eventually cost a fairly good coach his job in Tennessee. Tebow is going to have to learn to pass or the Bronco's will be back to square one at quarterback, trying to find one who can.
            Hey Dennis...

            Yep...Vince Young was probably a better passer at the same stage in his career. But...A case could be made that VY extended that same coach's career.

            Where Tebow has the edge over VY is that he's far more emotionally stable and a much harder worker. No one works harder than Tebow and he can bench over 400 lbs and is considered to have the same cardio as Lance Armstrong.

            Tebow was probably one of the players most hurt by the lockout and really needed some help being coached in the fundamentals of passing. We do have a guy as GM now who knows a thing or two about passing and has said he'll work with Tebow in the offseason by the name of John Elway.

            But yeah...Tebow does need to improve his passing. We know he'll put in the work, but only time will tell. I hope the comparisions in the future will be more with Steve Young than VY.
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            • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              I hope the comparisions in the future will be more with Steve Young than VY.
              Yeah, that would be a much better comparison.

              I hope he does well. I have a tendency to root for the underdog, so I'd love to see the doubters and detractors proven wrong.

              He needs a lot of work, but Elway should be a good teacher. I've only seen him throw a handful of passes, but he looked very slow and deliberate with his throws. It looks like he is aiming, more like he was throwing a spear than a football. Maybe with repetition it will start to come more naturally to him.

              You know, Aaron Rodgers mechanics weren't very good when the Packers drafted him. A lot of that stuff is teachable.
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          • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            Um...you can't win 'em all, Thom.


            And I have to quit picking the Jets. They're killing me.


            Kurt, Tebow kind of reminds me of Vince Young. He a runner, but can't pass consistently. That eventually cost a fairly good coach his job in Tennessee. Tebow is going to have to learn to pass or the Bronco's will be back to square one at quarterback, trying to find one who can.
            Actually a little known fact is VY lead the NCAA in passing efficiency his last year in college and was/is a much better passer than many folks wanted to give him credit for.

            ( mostly sportwriters )

            His mechanics had steadily improved and from day 1 in the NFL - and if you were open, he'd get it there.

            VY never had the inaccuracy rap that Tebow has now. If he did it was not valid.

            The only valid comparisonS between the two is how they were both winners on every level, they both can run the ball, both are very tough sacks and both have that comeback magic.

            BTW...

            VY has the record for a rookie QB comeback with a 21 point 4th quarter comeback against the Giants.

            His troubling past ( possible suicide contemplation and blowing up at the coach ),...

            ...has put him on the outs with many pro organizations.

            But if some team, like at least 10 pro outfits want a clear upgrade at QB, VY will get another chance to join the ranks of starting QB's in the NFL and the league and QB play in the league will be better for it.

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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

              Actually a little known fact is VY lead the NCAA in passing efficiency his last year in college and was/is a much better passer than many folks wanted to give him credit for.

              ( mostly sportwriters )

              His mechanics had steadily improved and from day 1 in the NFL - and if you were open, he'd get it there.

              VY never had the inaccuracy rap that Tebow has now. If he did it was not valid.

              The only valid comparisonS between the two is how they were both winners on every level, they both can run the ball, both are very tough sacks and both have that comeback magic.

              BTW...

              VY has the record for a rookie QB comeback with a 21 point 4th quarter comeback against the Giants.

              His troubling past ( possible suicide contemplation and blowing up at the coach ),...

              ...has put him on the outs with many pro organizations.

              But if some team, like at least 10 pro outfits want a clear upgrade at QB, VY will get another chance to join the ranks of starting QB's in the NFL and the league and QB play in the league will be better for it.

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              Hey TL,

              Tebow actually holds a number of SEC passing records and had a QB rating of 170 for his career and about a 66.7% passing percentage.
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    I don't think I'm even capable of getting drunk enough to do that....

    My Texans get a timely week off to warm up Liener now that Schaub is injured <sigh> and it was all going so well for a change. lol.....we will see if the other Matt can stepup, which I believe he will.

    Off to work..
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Since the NFL played its game on Thurdsay, here's my picks for the exhibition games this week:

    GB
    BAL
    SF
    NE
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    Games I can watch today - if I like...

    - Dallas/Wash 1:00pm Eastern

    - San Diego/Chi 4:15

    - Phil & NYG 8:15


    Enjoy your games!

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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Baltimore...W

      Atlanta...W

      Buffalo...L...I would have had a perfect morning...but I spelled Miami wrong...:p

      Oakland...W

      Detroit....W

      Green Bay...sorry Thom...W..

      Dallas...W

      San Francisco...W

      St. Louis....L

      San Diego....(yea, it's a stretch)...L...SD defense sucked

      NY Giants....L...the Philly Curse continues..

      New England....W

      8 & 4

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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Hey Thom,
    Tampa played a hell of a game today.
    They played well...'specially liked Blount, part finesse, part bulldozer...

    I can see why your a fan...





    (I had put this in my score results but I don't know if anyone ever read's them...:p)
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      Hey Thom,
      Tampa played a hell of a game today.
      They played well...'specially liked Blount, part finesse, part bulldozer...

      I can see why your a fan...





      (I had put this in my score results but I don't know if anyone ever read's them...:p)
      I was just coming in to comment on what you said about the Bucs in your score results post
      I'm really a Bucs fan because I was living in Tampa in 76, 77 when they came into the league
      A little trivia for you, the first year they where in the AFC West division.
      They went 0-26 finally beating the Saints in week 13(?) of their second season in the league and first in the NFC. If I remember right, the Saints coach was fired after the game. Just reading up a little and their 2nd win was a week later at home against the Cards. The Cards. coach was fired after the game also I remember we partied in Tampa like we had just won the Super Bowl.

      They're a young team now, but Freeman and Blount, as well as Williams and Winslow are looking good on O.
      Blount kind of reminds me of James Wilder sometimes. He was the Bucs running back in the early years. When he was in the game, every player on D. knew he was getting the ball, but he'd just charge at them and they either got out of the way or run down.
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      • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        I was just coming in to comment on what you said about the Bucs in your score results post
        LOL
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        They're a young team now, but Freeman and Blount, as well as Williams and Winslow are looking good on O.
        Blount kind of reminds me of James Wilder sometimes. He was the Bucs running back in the early years. When he was in the game, every player on D. knew he was getting the ball, but he'd just charge at them and they either got out of the way or run down.
        I watched Blount pretty carefully after a bit (this is the first Bucs game of the season I have seen) and he seems pretty nimble as well.

        At 6' and 245 that's a pretty good feat. I think that guy may be going places.


        On another note, I can't believe that the Patriots are 15 1/2 to 16 1/2 favorites at some Vegas casinos.

        May end up a rout...

        (just thinking out loud..just saw that)

        (Edit: oh duh..Cassel is out for the season, didn't see that til now)


        edit -17 @ gametime
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

          (I had put this in my score results but I don't know if anyone ever read's them...:p)
          Hey Jim...

          I'll read your's if you read mine. LOL

          Seriously, I read your's.

          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          I was just coming in to comment on what you said about the Bucs in your score results post
          I'm really a Bucs fan because I was living in Tampa in 76, 77 when they came into the league
          A little trivia for you, the first year they where in the AFC West division.
          They went 0-26 finally beating the Saints in week 13(?) of their second season in the league and first in the NFC. If I remember right, the Saints coach was fired after the game. Just reading up a little and their 2nd win was a week later at home against the Cards. The Cards. coach was fired after the game also I remember we partied in Tampa like we had just won the Super Bowl.

          They're a young team now, but Freeman and Blount, as well as Williams and Winslow are looking good on O.
          Blount kind of reminds me of James Wilder sometimes. He was the Bucs running back in the early years. When he was in the game, every player on D. knew he was getting the ball, but he'd just charge at them and they either got out of the way or run down.
          Hey Thom...

          Ricky Bell is another....Would have been a great RB if he was on a better team...And I think he was sick? I know he died at a very young age.

          Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

          I watched Blount pretty carefully after a bit (this is the first Bucs game of the season I have seen) and he seems pretty nimble as well.

          At 6' and 245 that's a pretty good feat. I think that guy may be going places.
          I hope you don't mean by "going places" like all the good Charger RBs have done the last few years: LT, "Burner" Turner, and Sproles? They all went places, too...Like NY, Atlanta and New Orleans.

          You guys have sure given away a lot of talent at RB...And that doesn't even count Drew Brees.


          Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

          On another note, I can't believe that the Patriots are 15 1/2 to 16 1/2 favorites at some Vegas casinos.

          May end up a rout...

          (just thinking out loud..just saw that)

          (Edit: oh duh..Cassel is out for the season, didn't see that til now)
          Another QB introduced to Bronco rookie Von Miller. Miller beat up Cassel last weak, before he beat up Sanchez on Thursday.
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          • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Since the NFL played its game on Thursday, here's my picks for the exhibition games this week:

            GB
            BAL
            SF
            NE
            Looks like your almost about a lock for 4 for 4 this week...

            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post




            I hope you don't mean by "going places" like all the good Charger RBs have done the last few years: LT, "Burner" Turner, and Sproles? They all went places, too...Like NY, Atlanta and New Orleans.

            You guys have sure given away a lot of talent at RB...And that doesn't even count Drew Brees.




            Another QB introduced to Bronco rookie Von Miller. Miller beat up Cassel last weak, before he beat up Sanchez on Thursday.
            Yea the Sproles deal still pisses me off...

            Maybe it really is time to 'trade' some leadership down here..


            I really had no idea Cassel was that hurt...now I understand the point spread.

            Philly (my albatross) is at it again...bet on them they lose, bet against them, they win....at least temporarily right now:p

            All season has been like this...
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

              Looks like your almost about a lock for 4 for 4 this week...



              Yea the Sproles deal still pisses me off...
              I was watching Sproles earlier this year and as a Bronco fan I thought to myself, "Boy, it sure is fun watching Sproles now that he's not a Charger any more."

              Sproles is the player Reggie Bush was supposed to be. Bush gets all the hype but Sproles is better, and has been better. I think a big part of Rivers' problems this year is not having Sproles.

              LT was getting old, so I understand that one...And Michael Turner probably got more money than the Chargers could afford, but he and Sproles would have been a deadly combo.
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              Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

              Looks like your almost about a lock for 4 for 4 this week...
              Actually, with the Broncos pick, I'm 5 for 5 this week....Don't forget your J-E-T-S Jets pick.

              Now 37-9 for the season.
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    And motivated by Thom's bringing up James Wilder, who are the RBs you would most hate to have to tackle?

    Mine (In order)

    Earl Campbell

    Larry Csonka

    William Andrews

    Pete Johnson

    Jerome Bettis
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      And motivated by Thom's bringing up James Wilder, who are the RBs you would most hate to have to tackle?

      Mine (In order)

      Earl Campbell

      Larry Csonka

      William Andrews

      Pete Johnson

      Jerome Bettis

      'The Bus' would probably be at the top of my list...

      Bo Jackson....(ask 'The Boz')...lol

      Emmitt Smith

      Jim Brown
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      That's a tough one Kurt.
      Naturally I'd say Wilder and Blount.
      Wilder because he would always make sure he hurt you more then you hurt him.
      Blount because it has to be embarrassing to have someone that big jump over you when you try to tackle him.
      John Riggins, one who was just hard to take down.
      Walter Payton, just because he was so good, he always made you look bad.
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      And motivated by Thom's bringing up James Wilder, who are the RBs you would most hate to have to tackle?

      Mine (In order)

      Earl Campbell

      Larry Csonka

      William Andrews

      Pete Johnson

      Jerome Bettis
      I'd add Barry Sanders to the list. Not because he'd run you over and make it hurt, but because he'd juke you and make you look stupid for whiffing.


      @TL - The players know what the taunting rule is. If they're stupid enough to disregard it then it should be penalized according to the rule. Is the rule a good rule? I hadn't really thought about it until now, but it seems consistent with other major penalties in that they erase the play. So from that standpoint, I'd say it's good.

      I do like having a taunting penalty in place. I get what you're saying, but I think consistency is important. I can't think of any major offensive penalty that wouldn't cause the play to be erased. If you can think of one I may change my mind. (Truth is, I don't want to think too hard about it. )
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    TL's Roundup:

    - A young Buck ball club is probably suffering from NFL-2ND-Year-Itis.

    They had a surprising season last year with their young coach so their schedule got a bit harder.

    NFL Robbery?

    - Is it right to take away a big gain - after the play is over & dead - for taunting???



    I saw it last night in the Eagles Giants game.

    Just because Deshan Jackson gently flipped the ball to the def coordinator of the Giants, a 50 something yard pass play was erased.

    ( OK, he also did a song and dance )

    I say...

    - If the play was a TD, then assess a penalty on the kickoff:

    - Any other play, assess the penalty - after the play from the end of the play for a 15 yarder.

    It can not be right to erase a play for actions after the play is over.

    I'm sure...

    If he would have waited 10-15 seconds before doing anything the penalty would have been assessed after the play was dead.

    Is there a secret time line?

    Separated @ Birth?

    - NDomincan Suh looks like Jayz.

    - The Flag The Flag:

    I'm sick and tired of not knowing exactly when a flag has been thrown.

    It seems to me like sometimes the refs wait until the play is over or almost over to throw a flag.

    And the TV people should flash the yellow flag sign as soon as they see it.

    I want to know about the flags asap:


    The Miner 49ER:

    - The 49ers continue their improbable season and I look forward to the 1st Brother To Brother Bowl. ( at least on Turkey Day )

    - Giant Probs:

    David or Mike A., please talk to me about the G-Men.

    I'd love to hear your take on what's happening with the G-Men.

    VY wins again:

    - Despite 3 intercept, VY leads the Eagles over the G-Men.

    A masterful 18 play drive aided by a QB Mugging-tm sealed the G-Men's doom.

    The Eagles need to run the table and few can do it as well as VY.

    I also smell a brewing QB controversy.


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      I am a Pittsburgh girl.... so gooooo Steelers! Other than that I don't know...
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Man, at -17 in Vegas now...if I were betting money I might be tempted to bet the Chiefs.

    I'm not changing anything...but wow, seems excessive.


    If it was Green Bay...maybe....lol


    edit; 3rd quarter...whatever mind numbing, dis-coordinating drugs Kansas took..seem to be kicking in..


    Was I ever wrong, they were terrible...started alright and got progressively worse
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    My Colts were undefeated last weekend!

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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Tony Romo Almost Does Chris Webber?

    When lining up to kick the game winning FG in overtime against the Skins, Tony tried to call time out.

    But the Skins' Mike Shanahann beat him to it.

    Lucky for Tony, because if he had called a time out, the Boys would have been penalized since they were out of timeouts.

    I think you only get 2 TO's in overtime not 3.

    I'm not sure if the penalty would have added 5 yards or 10 yards to the distance of the kick that was only 39 yards.

    If it would have been 10 yards, that would mean the FG attempt would have been from 49 yards away - hardly automatic.

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    Thursday's games....should be good, in my opinion San Francisco v Baltimore looking like the game of the day.

    I'll go

    Green Bay...W

    Dallas...

    and against the odds (close) -3 Baltimore @ home)

    San Francisco...




    lol..

    Tebow responds to Plummer

    Whatever you think of Tebow, there's no denying that divine intervention has a lot to do with his success. Because there's no way a guy completing 44.8 percent of his throws, and who completed just two passes against the Chiefs in Week 10 would be on an NFL roster, much less a starting quarterback with a 4-1 record.
    Love the picture of Plummer in this article, just kind of a funny irony...
    I read what he said the other day...just found this article and picture
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      OK...for the turkey games, I'll take:

      GB
      Dal
      Bal


      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      Thursday's games....should be good, in my opinion San Francisco v Baltimore looking like the game of the day.

      I'll go

      Green Bay...

      Dallas...

      and against the odds (close) -3 Baltimore @ home)

      San Francisco...

      lol..

      Tebow responds to Plummer



      Love the picture of Plummer in this article, just kind of a funny irony...
      I read what he said the other day...just found this article and picture
      Actually, I think Jake has an "Ashton Kutcher" thing going in that picture....And I heard the entire interview....Jake was very supportive of Tebow overall.

      ...And good morning to Kyle Orton. Good-bye.
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        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        OK...for the turkey games, I'll take:

        GB
        Dal
        Bal




        Actually, I think Jake has an "Ashton Kutcher" thing going in that picture....And I heard the entire interview....Jake was very supportive of Tebow overall.

        ...And good morning to Kyle Orton. Good-bye.
        I know, that's actually what got me interested in the whole thing...the way the press was trying to play it off (as usual).


        My kid and I were watching sports news and they said Kyle Orton was gone.

        So my kid say's "Who's Kyle Orton?"...

        and I say "Exactly"

        Oh well I wish him the best.


        The Baltimore/San Fran war is on....
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          Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post


          My kid and I were watching sports news and they said Kyle Orton was gone.

          So my kid say's "Who's Kyle Orton?"...

          and I say "Exactly"
          Is your kid Dr. Seuss? Orton Heard a Who?
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            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Is your kid Dr. Seuss? Orton Heard a Who?
            Kurt, Kurt...Kurt...I already used that joke somewhere in this thread...
            DMCA on the way...:p


            Did you see Suh ( still doing Dr. Suess...:p)
            Unbelievably stupid move...I'll be surprised if he doesn't get suspended a few games.
            I've been wrestlin with the Turkey all morn...didn't treat it that bad.

            Looks good for Green Bay...two to go... Dallas and San Francisco...:p

            Green Bay...W

            Dallas...W... 1 point.... a W is a W...:p

            and against the odds (close) -3 Baltimore @ home)

            San Francisco...
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              Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

              Kurt, Kurt...Kurt...I already used that joke somewhere in this thread...
              DMCA on the way...:p
              But I stole it fair and square from Woody Paige.

              Paige: Learn to live with Orton at QB - The Denver Post

              ( Posted: 08/16/2009 )



              Did you see Suh ( still doing Dr. Suess...:p)
              Unbelievably stupid move...I'll be surprised if he doesn't get suspended a few games.
              I've been wrestlin with the Turkey all morn...didn't treat it that bad.

              Looks good for Green Bay...two to go... Dallas and San Francisco...:p
              I really liked Suh. He was one of my top 3-4 favorite players (that aren't Broncos)...But his cheap shots are really making me have doubts about him now. This last one was too much.

              And I've got John and the Heckle and Jeckles over brother Jim and the 48ers.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Which NFL running back would shout ...

    "I'm coming at you big red!!!"

    ...when he was about to run the ball against a arch rival???


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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    San Francisco...L


    Congrats Kurt...


    (That's not how my face really looks right now...lol...:p)
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Jim, there always seems to be one or two teams each year that are just hard to get a read on for me.

    Funny thing is, when I was single I used to watch all the sporting news I could on TV, and read what I could in our local papers, to help me make my picks. Now, I pay no attention to any of that, and pretty much only keep up with the Packers, and I'm picking right at about the same pace. Just goes to show you how unpredictable the game can be. You pretty much have to guess who is going to upset who to have a perfect week. I haven't had one yet this year.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Jim, there always seems to be one or two teams each year that are just hard to get a read on for me.

      Funny thing is, when I was single I used to watch all the sporting news I could on TV, and read what I could in our local papers, to help me make my picks. Now, I pay no attention to any of that, and pretty much only keep up with the Packers, and I'm picking right at about the same pace. Just goes to show you how unpredictable the game can be. You pretty much have to guess who is going to upset who to have a perfect week. I haven't had one yet this year.
      Since I lived in Las Vegas on and off for 20 years, I've followed gambling and degenerates closely....It seems to many that predicting football games should be "easy".

      But the truth is, there's so many variables...A bounce here, a ref's call there...

      And this time of year: Injuries. We now have 2nd teamers playing against 3rd teamers no one has ever heard of and the degenerates think they can beat the system.

      I used to get a kick out of my friends that would bet college football. They'd cite all these cliches about how Southern Miss would beat Georgia, then I'd ask them, "Who's the QB for S. Miss"?

      They'd just stare back at me and could rarely answer. These guys were betting 2-3 days pay on a single game, and couldn't even name the QB for either team. That's not skill...It's blind luck. May as well go to the bingo hall.
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    I am certain Pittsburgh will do well, have a great coach and a great team
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    St.Louis...L

    NY Jets...W

    Cincinnati...W

    Houston....W

    Indianapolis..L

    Tampa Bay...L... must... hold on... to ball...lol

    Atlanta.....W

    Oakland....W

    New England...W

    San Diego...L ... OT

    Pittsburgh...W

    New Orleans...W

    8 & 4

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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    My picks are the same as yours, Jim, with one exception, I took the Panthers over the Colts.
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      My picks are the same as yours, Jim, with one exception, I took the Panthers over the Colts.

      Well, Dennis like you said, they are (hopefully) bound to win one..

      Just hoping I pick the right week.. They are at home, where they should win, if they are going to.
      Carolina has lost the last three games...figure it's as good a time as ever.

      Don't see them winning any of the upcoming games (with the possible exception of Tennessee)
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

        Well, Dennis like you said, they are (hopefully) bound to win one..

        Just hoping I pick the right week.. They are at home, where they should win, if they are going to.
        Carolina has lost the last three games...figure it's as good a time as ever.

        Don't see them winning any of the upcoming games (with the possible exception of Tennessee)
        Yeah, I thought their best chance for a win was two weeks ago at home against Jacksonville. I'm thinking they might go 0-16 now.

        You're right though, this is probably their best chance from among the remaining games. I hope they do win. One pick isn't going to make or break me, and it must be sooo demoralizing for those players to work so hard every week and not get even one win.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Since I made 3 picks already, I'm just picking 3 on Sun.

    NYJ
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    ...And DEN.

    Even Philip Rivers' own mom is Tebowing.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Today is just about our best chance to pull out a victory this season.

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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Congrats on the Broncos win Kurt...

    I guess...


    Lousy finishes (games or playoffs) are getting to be a bad habit down here...need a change of management or something....
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Since I made 3 picks already, I'm just picking 3 on Sun.

      NYJ
      PIT

      ...And DEN.

      Even Philip Rivers' own mom is Tebowing.
      That's 3-0...Bringing me to 43-9 for the season, as well as 10 straight.


      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      Congrats on the Broncos win Kurt...

      I guess...


      Lousy finishes (games or playoffs) are getting to be a bad habit down here...need a change of management or something....

      Hey Jim,

      Be honest...When the Broncos were down by 3 in the 4th quarter, you were telling yourself, "It's Tebow time!"

      And I'll bet a Fatburger that both Norv and AJ will be fired at the end of the year. Should have never gotten rid of Marty.
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    I would love to see Tebow lead the Broncos to the AFC Championship game...but lose to the Steelers!

    It's time for Big Ben to make Miami proud again!
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    I'm hoping the Chargers win!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    And good morning to Chargers kicker Nick Novak...I see Philip wasn't the only "rivers" on the Charger sideline.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    And good morning to Angelo Mosca....Looks like Joe busted a "Kapp" in your a$$.

    I hear the story around this fight goes back to the 1963 Grey Cup. It seems Mosca cheap shotted a team mate of Kapp's and Mosca and Kapp got into a dispute over it. In the years since, Mosca became a pro wrestler "bad guy" that ran his mouth for a living.

    In the video below, Joe Kapp was offering a rose as a "peace offering" when Mosca ran his mouth some more. Amazing that 70 year old men can carry a grudge for alomst 50 years...But what a right cross/short left hook combo from Kapp!

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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      In the video below, Joe Kapp was offering a rose as a "peace offering" when Mosca ran his mouth some more. Amazing that 70 year old men can carry a grudge for alomst 50 years...But what a right cross/short left hook combo from Kapp!
      Well there I was, a lone Limey, walking into an NFL thread of which I knew sweet bugger all about and boom boom Kurt gifts me with a good old fashioned tear up.

      Marvellous, nice to see such agility and splendid punching from a man that age. Never seen him before but I'm a fan of Joe Kapp after just 20 seconds and no NFL what so ever.

      Cheers, now I'll quietly go and find a thread where I can offer a bit more
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      And good morning to Angelo Mosca....Looks like Joe busted a "Kapp" in your a$$.

      I hear the story around this fight goes back to the 1963 Grey Cup. It seems Mosca cheap shotted a team mate of Kapp's and Mosca and Kapp got into a dispute over it. In the years since, Mosca became a pro wrestler "bad guy" that ran his mouth for a living.

      In the video below, Joe Kapp was offering a rose as a "peace offering" when Mosca ran his mouth some more. Amazing that 70 year old men can carry a grudge for alomst 50 years...But what a right cross/short left hook combo from Kapp!

      YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
      I thought they were just kidding around until...

      I'll never forget a wincing Joe Kapp on the sidelines of Super Bowl 4 after his tough as nails Purple People eaters ran into the just as tough but bigger and a lot more crafty KC chiefs in the last game before the two rival leagues were united into the modern day NFL.

      But Joe was one tough dude.

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      • Profile picture of the author larms
        Don't forget about the Ravens.
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      • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
        Hey Jim,

        Be honest...When the Broncos were down by 3 in the 4th quarter, you were telling yourself, "It's Tebow time!"
        Very, very close Kurt...actually my exact thought was...watch this guy pull it out of his culo again...sure enough


        And I'll bet a Fatburger that both Norv and AJ will be fired at the end of the year. Should have never gotten rid of Marty.
        That was the general consensus last year...this year, they are doing even worse...so I wouldn't bet against it.

        And good morning to Chargers kicker Nick Novak...I see Philip wasn't the only "rivers" on the Charger sideline.
        I saw that in the game ...all I could think of was, the director going...wait...what's he doing?...is he....?...CUT to tebowing..lol

        And good morning to Angelo Mosca....Looks like Joe busted a "Kapp" in your a$$.

        I hear the story around this fight goes back to the 1963 Grey Cup. It seems Mosca cheap shotted a team mate of Kapp's and Mosca and Kapp got into a dispute over it. In the years since, Mosca became a pro wrestler "bad guy" that ran his mouth for a living.

        In the video below, Joe Kapp was offering a rose as a "peace offering" when Mosca ran his mouth some more. Amazing that 70 year old men can carry a grudge for alomst 50 years...But what a right cross/short left hook combo from Kapp!
        Saw that on, I think, was ESPN....cracked me up....now that, is how to hold a grudge.
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          Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

          I saw that in the game ...all I could think of was, the director going...wait...what's he doing?...is he....?...CUT to tebowing..lol

          Let's hope "novaking" doesn't become a new fad.
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          • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
            When you guys are giving Tebow credit (which he definitely deserves), make sure you also give plenty of credit to the Broncos defense which is playing lights out - making it possible for Tebow to work his last-second magic. My Giants could learn a thing or two from the Broncos about how to play defense, and playing with heart and pride.

            Man, we stink right now!!!

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    i agree with you guys ...
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Chicago......L

      Miami..........W

      Pittsburgh.....W

      Baltimore.....W

      NY Jets.......W

      Houston......W

      Tampa Bay.....L

      New Orleans...W

      Denver...........W...... nail biter... good game

      San Francisco....W

      Green Bay ....W

      New England...W

      San Diego...W


      11 & 2


      I bet on Denver, Kurt, even tho they aren't favored....lets see if your boy can pull it out again.


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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post


        I bet on Denver, Kurt, even tho they aren't favored....lets see if your boy can pull it out again.


        Anti Tebow isn't about Football

        Sorry Jim...You can't take Denver. I won't allow you to jinx my Broncos.

        Actually, I'm concerned about this game because Von Miller may not play because of an injured thumb. He's been the Broncos' MVP this year, despite being a rookie.

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        • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
          Sorry Jim...You can't take Denver. I won't allow you to jinx my Broncos.
          lol....how'd you know?
          Actually, I'm concerned about this game because Von Miller may not play because of an injured thumb. He's been the Broncos' MVP this year, despite being a rookie.

          DEN
          NE
          SF
          NO
          Denver is kind of the long shot...but like I said ...can't underestimate Divine intervention.

          ps Kurt did you read that article? I'm kind of feeling bad for the kid now.

          But I also agree with Cuttler in a way too. There is a right time and a right place for everything.


          When I first got out of the Nav...I worked for a whole company that was like that...especially one guy. Now, I have as much faith as the next guy, maybe more...but at the end of the everyday, I wanted to strangle him.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

            lol....how'd you know?
            Denver is kind of the long shot...but like I said ...can't underestimate Divine intervention.

            ps Kurt did you read that article? I'm kind of feeling bad for the kid now.

            But I also agree with Cuttler in a way too. There is a right time and a right place for everything.


            When I first got out of the Nav...I worked for a whole company that was like that...especially one guy. Now, I have as much faith as the next guy, maybe more...but at the end of the everyday, I wanted to strangle him.
            You mean Plummer?

            I don't think any player has ever gotten the hate Tebow gets. Chris Carter, Meril Hoge and Stephen A Smith really pour on the hate, calling Tebow "garbage", etc.

            The article brings up some good points, but I think there's more to it than just one reason.

            Maybe Tebow does go over the edge sometimes with his beliefs, but at least he walks the walk. It's players like Ray Lewis "Praisin' the Lord" that bother me. Maybe if Ray would do the right thing and tell what he saw the night he was on-scene to that murder I'll pay attention to him when he starts preaching.
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            • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              You mean Plummer?

              I don't think any player has ever gotten the hate Tebow gets. Chris Carter, Meril Hoge and Stephen A Smith really pour on the hate, calling Tebow "garbage", etc.

              The article brings up some good points, but I think there's more to it than just one reason.

              Maybe Tebow does go over the edge sometimes with his beliefs, but at least he walks the walk. It's players like Ray Lewis "Praisin' the Lord" that bother me. Maybe if Ray would do the right thing and tell what he saw the night he was on-scene to that murder I'll pay attention to him when he starts preaching.


              Yea I agree with him too. I always do that with their names.
              You would think right after reading the article, I would get it right...oh well


              The important thing is...what the hell ...Tampa?...:confused:

              edit- That's it Tampa...3 points at a time...lol
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              • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                Well my Bucs are kicking ass.
                Oh, wait, that's the Panthers.
                Nevermind
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Sorry Jim...You can't take Denver. I won't allow you to jinx my Broncos.
          Yeah yeah, blame it on Jim.

          Actually, I was going to warn you that you might not want to take the Broncos this week because I did . . . and I never get them right!

          Without Peterson out, I don't see the Vikings scoring many points.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Sorry Jim...You can't take Denver. I won't allow you to jinx my Broncos.

          Actually, I'm concerned about this game because Von Miller may not play because of an injured thumb. He's been the Broncos' MVP this year, despite being a rookie.

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      • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
        Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

        Chicago......L

        Miami..........W

        Pittsburgh.....W

        Baltimore.....W

        NY Jets.......W

        Houston......W

        Tampa Bay.....L

        New Orleans...W

        Denver...........W...... nail biter... good game

        San Francisco....W

        Green Bay ....W

        New England...W

        San Diego...W
        only two losses...I expect that out of Da Bears, but Tampa, I blame Thom...:p
        Probably as close as I'm gonna get to a perfect week.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

          only two losses...I expect that out of Da Bears, but Tampa, I blame Thom...:p
          Probably as close as I'm gonna get to a perfect week.
          Good job pickin' last week...Although I didn't let you bet on my Broncos, you still only missed two games.

          And you can blame Thom for a loss, but I can't blame you for jinxing my team? Cry me a Rivers!

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          • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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            Never saw this thread before...I'll try my hand at choosing this weeks games.

            Pittsburgh...Too late

            Baltimore over Indy

            Atlanta over Carolina

            Cincy over Houston

            Detroit over Minnesota

            Tampa Bay over Jacksonville

            Miami over Philadelphia

            Jets over Kansas City

            New Orleans over Tennessee

            New England over Washington

            San Fransisco over Arizona

            Denver over Chicago

            Oakland over Green Bay (a long shot; but I want them to lose)

            San Diego over Buffalo

            Dallas over New York

            Seattle over St. Louis
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by Joe128139 View Post

              Never saw this thread before...I'll try my hand at choosing this weeks games.
              Glad to have you aboard Joe...As long as you pick my Broncos...
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              • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                And you can blame Thom for a loss
                Sure it's always the bald guys fault
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                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                Glad to have you aboard Joe...As long as you pick my Broncos...
                Don't really have a choice, Tebow just keeps finding ways to win. I still can't figure that quarterback out. I'll be picking a loss when they take NE, so maybe I'll stay out of the thread that week lol.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Good job pickin' last week...Although I didn't let you bet on my Broncos, you still only missed two games.

            And you can blame Thom for a loss, but I can't blame you for jinxing my team? Cry me a Rivers!

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    On no...Not the Dennis-Dog Double Whammy! Oh the humanity!

    Sorry but you guys can't do it. Your picks don't count.
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    Another great day for Bronco fans. Practically a holiday with the Raiders losing.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Tebow continues his roll and we may see him in the playoffs.

    BTW,

    the one and only has been confirmed for this seasons' Super Bowl.

    Can't wait to see her do vogue and get into the groove.

    Story and slide show of other Super Bowl halftime performers..


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    Baltimore...W

    Houston...W

    NY Jets...W

    Green Bay...W

    Detroit...W

    New Orleans....W

    Miami...L

    New England....W

    Tampa...L ....Off the Xmas list

    San Francisco...L

    San Diego...W

    Dallas...L...sill don't think that second to last, was a touchdown for the Giants

    Seattle...W

    Denver...W

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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Bones - Jones just beat Machida.

    After you were talking about him Kurt I watched a couple of old fights of his...don't usually watch MMA, prefer boxing.

    That guy has one ice cold head in the ring, a trait that will serve him well, much like Julio Cesar Chavez was a cool customer in the ring.
    You were right I don't think he'll be beaten for awhile yet.

    He's tall and with the arm reach, plus the fact he knows what he's doing and doesn't get rattled, I think I'll be watching in the future. ...... And a congrats to Lamont Peterson who scored a fairly big upset of Amir Khan. Homeless to Champ...
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      Bones - Jones just beat Machida.

      After you were talking about him Kurt I watched a couple of old fights of his...don't usually watch MMA, prefer boxing.

      That guy has one ice cold head in the ring, a trait that will serve him well, much like Julio Cesar Chavez was a cool customer in the ring.
      You were right I don't think he'll be beaten for awhile yet.

      He's tall and with the arm reach, plus the fact he knows what he's doing and doesn't get rattled, I think I'll be watching in the future.
      You're right...Jon Jones is a very patient fighter. He's also the youngest UFC champ of all time, which makes being patient even more impressive...And when you listen to him in an interview, he's a really good kid. He also has a brother in the NFL, can't remember which "jones"...Not a big name.

      And congrats to RG3 who won the Heisman. That kid is Michael Vick with an accurate arm and a brain. The NFL better watch out next year. Not only can he pass, but he's a world class hurdler.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    I won't bother watching the Skins get destroyed by the Pats but...

    I'll be watching Tebow in my 4:00 game.


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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    That's right. We bad. That's right. Unbelievable!!!!

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    • Profile picture of the author Brandon Tanner
      It's getting to the point that if you're a Denver opponent and you're barely ahead for most of the game, you KNOW what's gonna happen in the final seconds (or in OT).

      Gotta give big props to Prater for this one, though. A 59 yarder to tie with 2 seconds left, and then the 51 yarder to win it in OT. Talk about stepping up when the pressure's on... wow.

      Denver is gonna have their work cut out for them next weekend though. If Tebow and company win that one, THAT will be impressive.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Unbelievable is right....The Miracle at Mile High....... I didn't see the game, but keep an eye on the NFL.com scores....I had all but written off that game. ....
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Wow, another incredible Tebow win... Possibly the only person I'd cheer for over Rogers. Incredibly fun to watch!
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    • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      Wow, another incredible Tebow win... Possibly the only person I'd cheer for over Rogers. Incredibly fun to watch!
      Definitely fun, but if your a Bronco's fan it makes the games damn stressful. Not to say I haven't enjoyed going along for the ride, but I was for sure we were going to lose Sunday.

      I wasn't a big Tebow fan when they benched Orton. I felt that we were "starting all over" again. What I didn't consider was the fact that Tebow is leading his team. The Broncos are winning games as a team, led by Tebow.

      I am happy with Denver's progress over the last few weeks. Whether its luck or skill a win is a win and I'll take that over a loss any day.

      If we defeat the Pats next week, without a doubt, I feel we will be a force to be reckoned with in the down stretch.
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    8-5 So far today. Meh. At least the Pats pulled it out.
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    AFC South Division Champions (one of the franchise records set this week)

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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Tebow and the Packers are the stories of the season.

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      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      Tebow and the Packers are the stories of the season.

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      I actually think that in light of a probable 16-0 record, the Packers of having a very quiet season. There isn't any drama, no allegations of cheating (damn spygate), no trash talking. It's just the Packers winning. You kind of expect it and move on. God, I hope they lose in the playoffs though.
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        Originally Posted by Joe128139 View Post

        I actually think that in light of a probable 16-0 record, the Packers of having a very quiet season. There isn't any drama, no allegations of cheating (damn spygate), no trash talking. It's just the Packers winning. You kind of expect it and move on. God, I hope they lose in the playoffs though.


        I forgot about the improbable season the 49ers are having.

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          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

          I forgot about the improbable season the 49ers are having.

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          Them too! It's odd that their sudden rise isn't talked about more. I mean, there was the big hoopla after the Detroit game and they'll spend like two minutes every so often talking about what a great job Harbaugh had done; but that's it.
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    Tom Brady, after living a full life, died. When he got to heaven, God was showing him around. They came to a modest little house with a faded Patriots flag in the window.

    "This house is yours for eternity Tom, said God. "This is very special; not everyone gets a house up here."

    Tom felt special, indeed, and walked up to his house. On his way up the porch, he noticed another house just around the corner. It was a huge 3-story mansion with Orange and Blue sidewalks and drive ways, a 50 foot tall flagpole with an enormous Broncos logo flag waving, a swimming pool in shape of a horse, a Broncos logo in every window, and a Tim Tebow jersey on the front door.

    Tom looked at God and said "God, I'm not trying to be ungrateful, but I have a question. I was an all-pro QB, I won 3 Super Bowls, and I even went to the Hall of Fame."

    God said "So what's your point Tom?" "Well, why does Tim Tebow get a better house than me?"

    God chuckled, and said "Tom, that's not Tim's house, it's mine."
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    Tim Tebow is even the talk of the New York sports radio. Monday they spoke more of him on one show than they did about the Jets or Giants.

    Go figure
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Man, you guy's have a real human interest story going on up there Kurt.

    The sports pages must be going nuts in Denver.

    Let's see how they do this weekend against NE, THAT would be an impressive win...

    *They are only 6 to 61/2 point underdogs depending where you look
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    The Chiefs and the Jags have fired their coaches and rumors are if my Colts go 0-16 the head coach, ( I forgot his name ) will be fired as well.

    I think it would be justified.

    Every team should be able to win at least a few games per year.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      Tim Tebow is even the talk of the New York sports radio. Monday they spoke more of him on one show than they did about the Jets or Giants.

      Go figure
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      Man, you guy's have a real human interest story going on up there Kurt.

      The sports pages must be going nuts in Denver.

      Let's see how they do this weekend against NE, THAT would be an impressive win...

      *They are only 6 to 61/2 point underdogs depending where you look
      He's definately become a "pop star"...He pretty much dominates the local sports and radio sports talk shows....

      BTW...The Broncos are the only team that Tom Brady has a losing record against...Brady is 1-6 against the Broncos.

      Here's the most recent song played on the local news.

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      • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        He's definately become a "pop star"...He pretty much dominates the local sports and radio sports talk shows....

        BTW...The Broncos are the only team that Tom Brady has a losing record against...Brady is 1-6 against the Broncos.

        Here's the most recent song played on the local news.

        YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
        As a Pats fan, I am legitimately worried about your Broncos this week. That being said, I still think they win. :p
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    We need more dogs...

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  • Profile picture of the author Sunfyre7896
    Well my Boys are sucking it up big time lately. We need an entire revamp of our coaching staff. At least the two coordinators and also the GM .

    As for Tebow, great guy, not so great passing quarterback. I think it's only a matter of time before the NFL catches on. Just like the wildcat isn't as successful as last year, this option play and flash in the pan luck will come back down to earth in a few weeks. I really don't want this to be the future of quarterbacking. A guy that can run and lead but not pass. Sorry Kurt. Just my opinion.

    My picks:

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    • Profile picture of the author jeffrey73
      At the same time my Cards have been getting lucky lately. If not for that mental error by Garrett, we would have been dust. And IMO that 49er win was a gift. I do hand it to our defense though, as Kolb and Skelton are both awful quarterbacks. If the defense wasn't playing great, our offense would not be able to "squeak" these wins out.

      We are playing better than we actually are.

      As far as Tebow goes I agree. You also have to look at the competition he is facing. It's not like he's been beating Green Bay, the Steelers, New England, or the Ravens.

      Originally Posted by Sunfyre7896 View Post

      Well my Boys are sucking it up big time lately. We need an entire revamp of our coaching staff. At least the two coordinators and also the GM .

      As for Tebow, great guy, not so great passing quarterback. I think it's only a matter of time before the NFL catches on. Just like the wildcat isn't as successful as last year, this option play and flash in the pan luck will come back down to earth in a few weeks. I really don't want this to be the future of quarterbacking. A guy that can run and lead but not pass. Sorry Kurt. Just my opinion.
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      • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
        Originally Posted by jeffrey73 View Post

        As far as Tebow goes I agree. You also have to look at the competition he is facing. It's not like he's been beating Green Bay, the Steelers, New England, or the Ravens.
        At this point, the only thing I can add is that he hasn't beat them... yet!

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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by Sunfyre7896 View Post

          As for Tebow, great guy, not so great passing quarterback. I think it's only a matter of time before the NFL catches on. Just like the wildcat isn't as successful as last year, this option play and flash in the pan luck will come back down to earth in a few weeks. I really don't want this to be the future of quarterbacking. A guy that can run and lead but not pass. Sorry Kurt. Just my opinion.
          Originally Posted by jeffrey73 View Post

          As far as Tebow goes I agree. You also have to look at the competition he is facing. It's not like he's been beating Green Bay, the Steelers, New England, or the Ravens.
          Here's the deal...Before Tebow was the starter, over the previous 32 games the Broncos had the worst record in the NFL. We weren't beating anyone, not even the bad teams. Since Tebow has been the starter, we're 7-1. I'm not prepared to say were a top 5 team in the NFL, but under Tebow we are a lot better than we were before.

          And in Tebow's defense, since the year before last, we've traded away Brandon Marshall, Jabar Gafney and Brandon Lloyd. Those are some pretty decent WRs and Tebow has been throwing to basically second and third teamers.
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    Atlanta...W

    Dallas....W

    NY Giants...L

    Green Bay...L

    New Orleans...W

    Chicago...L

    Buffalo...L

    Houston...L

    Tennessee...L

    Cincinnati...W

    Detroit...W

    New England...W

    Baltimore...L

    Pittsburgh...L

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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

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      HOU
      Come on Kurt put some effort into it.
      Even my cat knows Dallas will win tonight
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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Come on Kurt put some effort into it.
        Even my cat knows Dallas will win tonight

        Oh yea of little faith.

        Anything can happen tonight especially with Tony Romo and the Cowboys.


        All The Best!!

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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Come on Kurt put some effort into it.
        Even my cat knows Dallas will win tonight
        What the buc are you talking about?

        What a difference a year makes. Last year Rahim Morris was considered one of the best young coaches in the game...Now, he can be fired after any given game.

        (Just for the record, my picks are 4 team, money line parlays. What this means is there are no point spreads and I have to pick all 4 winners to "win". Picking 3 out of 4 (or worse) is a loser...)
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          What the buc are you talking about?

          What a difference a year makes. Last year Rahim Morris was considered one of the best young coaches in the game...Now, he can be fired after any given game.

          (Just for the record, my picks are 4 team, money line parlays. What this means is there are no point spreads and I have to pick all 4 winners to "win". Picking 3 out of 4 (or worse) is a loser...)
          They got me confused, I'll tell you that.
          I think the problem is we have a young, talented, inexperienced team and a young. talented. inexperienced coaching staff.
          The coaches took a nice simple defense (Tampa 2) that put Tampa in the top 10 defensively every year Kiffin was there, and decided to make it more complicated:confused:.
          Instead of perfecting what the offense can do, they decide to make it more complicated:confused:
          Last year they ran a basic offense and Freeman had a total of 9 turn overs for the year. This year they added a butt load more plays that where more complex and he has 20 turn overs so far.
          I believe we would be play off bound if they stuck to the Tampa 2 and a basic offense.
          I don't know at this point who I would like to see as the head coach. I am hoping that Barber retires soon though, and becomes the D.C.
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      • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Come on Kurt put some effort into it.
        Even my cat knows Dallas will win tonight
        Yep...and where's Denver, Kurt?
        S'k I bet against San Dog too...

        Tell ya what, if they win this weekend we'll never see the end of the highlights, for years...lol

        Denver will go nuts.
        Luckily that game is on down here, can't wait.
        Next year I'll probably spring for an NFL package, hate watching them on the 'puter.

        Glad there is a game tonight, the 'better half' is having a cookie decorating 'party' for Christmas...yea right...looking at these girls those cookies will be lucky to see daybreak, let alone Xmas.

        Anyway it's a good excuse to hide in the mancave....already getting my Little Rascals 'No Girls Allowed' sign for the door.
        cooler, ice and ....wait for it....
        beer.


        You never know Thom...Tampa may bring their A game....kind of hate bettin on Dallas...but I did..:p
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      DAL
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      NO
      HOU
      Tough week...2-2 this week....53-11 for the year...
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    Looks like some real upsets are possible...Go Schnides!
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Tell me about it Kurt....
    I said earlier on this thread Indy might beat Tenn, to bad I didn't bet that way...should listen to my damn self...lol

    Watching Green Bay or should I say the Kansas game right now.
    Losing every game right now...except N.O.

    This bodes well for the Denver Ponies though...considering there is some kind of dimensional shift going on today.

    I am perplexed and befuddled......more'n usual
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      Tell me about it Kurt....
      I said earlier on this thread Indy might beat Tenn, to bad I didn't bet that way...should listen to my damn self...lol

      Watching Green Bay or should I say the Kansas game right now.
      Losing every game right now...except N.O.

      This bodes well for the Denver Ponies though...considering there is some kind of dimensional shift going on today.

      I am perplexed and befuddled......more'n usual
      The Chefs are beating Rodgers up...Another huge upset, unless Rodgers call do a Tebow. The Chefs have always good at Arrowhead in Dec.
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    It's not just that game...this is twilight zone stuff.
    Even my dog knows something is wrong ta-day.

    I'm telling ya ...I'm looking for the Miracle at Mile High today.


    I keep an eye on the scores every week here. NFL Scores: 2011 - Week 15

    Updated almost real time...I've tried counting, but can't get anything consistent, maybe every 20 seconds or so.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      It's not just that game...this is twilight zone stuff.
      Even my dog knows something is wrong ta-day.

      I'm telling ya ...I'm looking for the Miracle at Mile High today.


      I keep an eye on the scores every week here. NFL Scores: 2011 - Week 15

      Updated almost real time...I've tried counting, but can't get anything consistent, maybe every 20 seconds or so.
      I can explain it...Every game this year I've had pepperoni pizza. Today I'm having lasagna.

      Historically, the Broncos have had the Pats number. Brady is 1-6 against the Broncos and I think the Pats are something like 2-15 all time in Denver. Not sure that means anything though...
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Geez...That second quarter looked like the "nyuk nyuk nyuk" playbook from my Broncos...
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  • Profile picture of the author Pivot
    I feel really sorry for the Colts now that they lost their star player. They would have won yet another superbowl.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Oh well...For a minute there, I saw the ghost of Elway on that drive...

    Raiders lost by one point...good for us, if San Dog wins tonight...
    to bad I bet on Baltimore..
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      Oh well...For a minute there, I saw the ghost of Elway on that drive...

      Raiders lost by one point...good for us, if San Dog wins tonight...
      to bad I bet on Baltimore..

      Yeah...It's never a bad thing when the Darth Raiders lose...Suh with a last second block of a Jano FG.

      If I had to pick, I'd pick your Chargers...But since I don't "have to"...

      PS...Even though we lost to the Pats, I wouldn't mind seeing them again. I'd rather play the Pats than either Balt or Pitt.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Nothing worse than betting against your hometown team and losing the bet.

    Better stay outta town for awhile...:p

    These guy's are fanatics down here, especially South Bay.

    Worst betting weekend yet.... Ho Ho Ho
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    This time of year is always strange. First you have injuries so some teams are playing guys you never heard of...Then there's always the teams that are spoilers. Why does KC beat GB? Plus, just about every team that that was on the bubble and needed a win for the playoffs lost.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Speaking of injuries...maybe it's just me, but I seem to have noticed a lot of helmets flying off heads this year.
    More than normal in a season...could just be the games I've seen, just thought it was strange this year.

    edit: guess I'm not the only one seeing this.

    McKay did have plenty to say, however, when the topic of player safety was broached in his discussion with reporters. McKay seemed bothered by the numbers of helmets he's seen coming off players' heads in the first five weeks of the season.
    "We just want to pay attention to the fact that there's no question, at least in our mind, that helmets coming off is happening at a faster rate than it used to," he said. "We put the one rule in this year, which was protecting the ballcarrier and just making the play dead when (his helmet comes off), but we want to go back and figure out the answer to why (it's happening so frequently)."
    Article ( from last year )

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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Boom Boom! Out go the lights!

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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    What's that in reference to Kurt?
    Usually you do things in reference to something, not sure I understand.
    Actually I forget how that bunch fits into Rock. I associate Pat Travers, Ronnie Montrose and a few others together from that time period, and genre.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      What's that in reference to Kurt?
      Usually you do things in reference to something, not sure I understand.
      Actually I forget how that bunch fits into Rock. I associate Pat Travers, Ronnie Montrose and a few others together from that time period, and genre.
      Monday Night Football...A blown generator knocked out all the lights in the stadium, delaying the start of game for at least 25 minutes and counting, as of the time I'm posting this...
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        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Monday Night Football...A blown generator knocked out all the lights in the stadium, delaying the start of game for at least 25 minutes and counting, as of the time I'm posting this...

        Oh my G...I forgot it was Monday...This really isn't my day, having a hard time bringing up this forum, woke up at three this morning with a toothache, been up ever since, old lady pissin me off...etc.
        Just one of those day's, I guess.
        Thanks for reminding me.

        Pittsburgh...L

        PS... things are looking up I guess...they delayed the game for me...lol



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    Thanks bunches, may be well put...
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      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      garbinh,

      Take your spam somewhere else, chief..
      Good one Jim...Let's say all the spammers are chiefs fans! LOL
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      • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
        49ers defense is getting better which isn't good news for the rest of the league. The run defense has been great all season but now the pass defense is catching up. I sure would like to see them play Green Bay.
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          Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

          49ers defense is getting better which isn't good news for the rest of the league. The run defense has been great all season but now the pass defense is catching up. I sure would like to see them play Green Bay.

          Hey Tim...

          Maybe all you 49er fans can pitch in and buy a generator for the stadium?
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        • Profile picture of the author Sunfyre7896
          Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

          49ers defense is getting better which isn't good news for the rest of the league. The run defense has been great all season but now the pass defense is catching up. I sure would like to see them play Green Bay.
          Just like in the 90's. Now we just need to return Dallas to greatness and the 3 can duke it out again.

          A combined 14 super bowls is nothing to sniff at. However, Green Bay, S.F., and Pitt are bad for me as a Dallas fan in terms of winning another one. Green Bay would tie, San Fran would go ahead of Dallas, and Pitt would increase their lead. I'm just going to root for the Bradymeister if Dallas isn't in it. He's my Michigan guy.
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          Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

          49ers defense is getting better which isn't good news for the rest of the league. The run defense has been great all season but now the pass defense is catching up. I sure would like to see them play Green Bay.
          It could happen. Hopefully in Green Bay.
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    Boom Boom! Out go the lights (again)!

    At least it gives me time to check out 2 1/2 Men....
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    I'm still on the Tebow band-wagon. What an awesome dude he is...



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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I think if Tim Tebow can get his mojo going for the first 3 quarters, he'll be another ben roethlisberger. He's got some pretty good maneuvering skills for a rookie.

    The SNL skit was kind of funny, but SNL in general is pretty much a parody of it's former self - and not even a good one. No good originality coming out of there, other than Andy Sanberg.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      I think if Tim Tebow can get his mojo going for the first 3 quarters, he'll be another ben roethlisberger. He's got some pretty good maneuvering skills for a rookie.
      I like Tim Tebow as a person. He's as good a character individual as you will ever find. But to compare him to Ben Roethlisberger is an insult to Roethlisberger. Yes, "Big Ben" is a mobile quarterback, but he can also pass the ball with the best of them. And while Tim Tebow runs the ball very well, he CAN'T pass a lick!

      Like I said, I like Tebow...but let's keep it real.

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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

        I like Tim Tebow as a person. He's as good a character individual as you will ever find. But to compare him to Ben Roethlisberger is an insult to Roethlisberger. Yes, "Big Ben" is a mobile quarterback, but he can also pass the ball with the best of them. And while Tim Tebow runs the ball very well, he CAN'T pass a lick!

        Like I said, I like Tebow...but let's keep it real.

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        Actually - I said if he gets is mojo back in the first 3 quarters...

        You're wrong about him not being able to pass a lick, because in the 4th quarter he has a better passing rating than anyone in the NFL except for Rodgers and Eli Manning. - And yes that includes Roethlisberger.

        So like I said, if he uses his 4th quarter mojo in the other 3 quarters, he'll be a force to be reckoned with.

        And by the way, even with the other 3 quarters factored in, he only ranks half way down the list in passer ratings.
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        • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          You're wrong about him not being able to pass a lick, because in the 4th quarter he has a better passing rating than anyone in the NFL except for Rodgers and Eli Manning. - And yes that includes Roethlisberger.
          So Tebow's a better passer in the 4th quarter than Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger, because the ratings say so? Obviously, you're another delusional Tebow fan who see's only what you want to see. That's fine...if you want to believe Tebow can pass the football, knock yourself out!

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          • Profile picture of the author garyv
            Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

            So Tebow's a better passer in the 4th quarter than Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger, because the ratings say so?

            That's how the NFL measures it - not me. And it does use a measurement of Completion Percentage, Average Yards Per Attempt, Percentage of Touchdown Passes, and Percentage of Interceptions. I don't know what else YOU would use to measure a quarterback's skills.

            Sorry - but you're the one that's delusional. The facts show that he's one of the best in the 4th quarter - and only someone that's delusional could deny it. - And being that he's just a rookie - I can't wait until he figures out how to control the rudder on his boat. I'm looking forward to seeing some people eat crow.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
              Originally Posted by garyv View Post

              That's how the NFL measures it - not me. And it does use a measurement of Completion Percentage, Average Yards Per Attempt, Percentage of Touchdown Passes, and Percentage of Interceptions. I don't know what else YOU would use to measure a quarterback's skills.

              Sorry - but you're the one that's delusional. The facts show that he's one of the best in the 4th quarter - and only someone that's delusional could deny it. - And being that he's just a rookie - I can't wait until he figures out how to control the rudder on his boat. I'm looking forward to seeing some people eat crow.
              Tebow certainly has some spark, that's for sure. But I usually reserve "comparisons" until at LEAST the second year of play. Coming in halfway through a season no other team has seen him before so they either underestimate him or simply don't know how get the game plan right. They only have his college game films thus far...

              He's got the makings - but at this point shining a light on his stats and making comparisons (the news outlets - not you) is simply just a news sound bite. Let's see how he does next season. I suspect he'll be even better though.
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              • Profile picture of the author garyv
                Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                Tebow certainly has some spark, that's for sure. But I usually reserve "comparisons" until at LEAST the second year of play. Coming in halfway through a season no other team has seen him before so they either underestimate him or simply don't know how get the game plan right. They only have his college game films thus far...

                He's got the makings - but at this point shining a light on his stats and making comparisons (the news outlets - not you) is simply just a news sound bite. Let's see how he does next season. I suspect he'll be even better though.
                I agree the comparisons are early - I'm just basing this on what I'm seeing him produce in the 4th quarter. During the other 3 quarters, he reminds me of a Bret Favre in his desperate years. He just needs to learn to control his impulses, and figure out the chess game that is going on during the first 3 quarters.

                I like him because he's a running quarterback - those are hard to beat. If he can tighten up his passing stats for the first 3 quarters, he'll be unstoppable.
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                • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
                  Originally Posted by garyv View Post

                  I like him because he's a running quarterback - those are hard to beat. If he can tighten up his passing stats for the first 3 quarters, he'll be unstoppable.
                  When it comes to running quarterbacks, Michael Vick is from another planet. His athleticism is freakish, and he passes the football 10 times better than Tebow. But as electrifying as Vick is, HE IS NOT UNSTOPPABLE!!!

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                  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                    Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

                    When it comes to running quarterbacks, Michael Vick is from another planet. His athleticism is freakish, and he passes the football 10 times better than Tebow. But as electrifying as Vick is, HE IS NOT UNSTOPPABLE!!!

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                    Considering Vick's past, I'm not sure I'd use the word "electrifying" as a way to try to drum up support for him.

                    Tebow may never be as good as Vick. But I know who I'd rather root for as a person.
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                    • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
                      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                      Considering Vick's past, I'm not sure I'd use the word "electrifying" as a way to try to drum up support for him.

                      Tebow may never be as good as Vick. But I know who I'd rather root for as a person.
                      Whether or not you choose to forgive Vick for his past transgressions is your prerogative. But the fact of the matter is, he paid for his crimes. But as far as football talent is concerned, Tebow can't carry Vick's jockstrap...Or Cam Newton's for that matter!

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                      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                        Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

                        Whether or not you choose to forgive Vick for his past transgressions is your prerogotive. But the fact of the matter is, he paid for his crimes. But as far as football talent is concerned, Tebow can't carry Vick's jockstrap...Or Cam Newton's for that matter!

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                        And neither Vick nor Newton can carry John Elway's jock when it comes to throwing a football. So what?

                        Peyton Manning isn't half the athlete either Vick or Newton are. But I'd take Peyton Manning over either of the RIGHT NOW, without knowing for sure if Peyton can come back.

                        BTW, "forgiving" is irrelevant. I never said a thing in this thread about "forgiving" or not forgiving, although I have made comments about the suject in other posts. "Electrifying" was YOUR choice of words and was the focus on my comment. When someone electrocutes dogs for fun, my choice of words to describe that person wouldn't be "electrifying". Hopefully you understand my point this time and don't need to start another strawman argument.
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                        • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
                          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                          And neither Vick nor Newton can carry John Elway's jock when it comes to throwing a football. So what?

                          Peyton Manning isn't half the athlete either Vick or Newton are. But I'd take Peyton Manning over either of the RIGHT NOW, without knowing for sure if Peyton can come back.
                          If his rookie season is any indication, Cam Newton may turn out to be better than the whole lot - though, that remains to be seen at this point. Both Dan Marino and Troy Aikman are impressed with the way Newton throws the football. How could the so called experts have been so wrong about this guy?

                          Although, I will admit, one impressive season does not a hall-of famer make. That being said, he should be even better in his second year.

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                          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                            Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

                            If his rookie season is any indication, Cam Newton may turn out to be better than the whole lot - though, that remains to be seen at this point. Both Dan Marino and Troy Aikman are impressed with the way Newton throws the football. How could the so called experts have been so wrong about this guy?

                            Although, I will admit, one impressive season does not a hall-of famer make. That being said, he should be even better in his second year.

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                            Conjecture and speculation. I can give you a list of QBs that think Tebow will be great, including Steve Young and Joe Montana. Not to mention Newton's history shows he has the potential to be a bit of a "flake".

                            The so called experts? Newton was drafted first over-all. But I'd still take Peyton Manning over Newton, even with the uncertainty of Manning ever being able to play again.
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                              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                              Conjecture and speculation.
                              This is a sports thread. Everything is based on conjecture and speculation. That's exactly what picks and predictions are...conjecture and speculation. That's what makes it fun.

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                                Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

                                This is a sports thread. Everything is based on conjecture and speculation. That's exactly what picks and predictions are...conjecture and speculation. That's what makes it fun.

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                                Yep...And some of us have participated in making picks every week, so we are accountable for our speculation, as opposed to popping in once in a while and being confrontational.

                                I'm 56-12 with my picks and have about a 50% (I'm guessing) winning percentage with 4 team, money line parlays.
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            • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
              Originally Posted by garyv View Post

              I don't know what else YOU would use to measure a quarterback's skills.
              I use my eyes to measure a quarterback's skills. That's how those of us who aren't blinded by the hype do it. I know what I see when I watch Tebow throw the ball, and nothing you say is going to change that.

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              • Profile picture of the author garyv
                Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

                I use my eyes to measure a quarterback's skills. That's how those of us who aren't blinded by the hype do it. I know what I see when I watch Tebow throw the ball, and nothing you say is going to change that.

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                LOL - What you refer to as "hype" others refer to as "stats".

                And by the way, I'm a Greenbay fan, so being also a Tebow fan is not really in my best interest. However, I've been following him since his high-school team won the state championship in Florida. But I guess we can chalk that up to coincidence and "hype" right? lol - Oh but wait, then he won the Heisman during his sophomore year in college, I guess we can put that into the "hype" section right? I guess hype can win you a Heisman... but wait, then he led is team to a BCS championship during his Junior year - JEEEZ - this guy is LUUUCKY! (because he has no passing skills right? lol) - his NON-skills gave him a 13-1 Senior year as well.

                Yep you're right... I guess all of that hype has me blinded
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      • Profile picture of the author jeffrey73
        Exactly! Tebow could better be compared to someone like Vince Young than Roethlisberger.

        Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

        I like Tim Tebow as a person. He's as good a character individual as you will ever find. But to compare him to Ben Roethlisberger is an insult to Roethlisberger. Yes, "Big Ben" is a mobile quarterback, but he can also pass the ball with the best of them. And while Tim Tebow runs the ball very well, he CAN'T pass a lick!

        Like I said, I like Tebow...but let's keep it real.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    BAL
    GB
    PIT
    DEN

    ...And break up the Colts! If they keep winning, they'll be out of Luck.

    (note: 53-11 for the year...Not counting these picks )
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    My Colts win second in a row on a late TD catch by Reggie Wayne!!

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      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      My Colts win second in a row on a late TD catch by Reggie Wayne!!

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      Glad to see that. I like the Colts and Manning and would have hated to see them go without a win.
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    Denver...L

    Tennessee..W

    Kansas City..L

    Cincinnati...W

    New England..W

    Baltimore....W

    Washington...L

    Carolina....W

    Pittsburgh....W

    San Diego....L

    San Francisco...W

    Green Bay....W

    New Orleans....W

    9 & 4
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  • Profile picture of the author Sunfyre7896
    Nobody wants to touch the double home team New Yorkers or the Philly Cheese Steak eaten by Cowboys games and put their records on the line? lol
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      Originally Posted by Sunfyre7896 View Post

      Nobody wants to touch the double home team New Yorkers or the Philly Cheese Steak eaten by Cowboys games and put their records on the line? lol
      As an upstate New Yorker, I'd like to see both teams in that first game to lose

      As a bucs fan, I just don't care anymore.

      All that's left for us is for Coach Morris to start doing Coach McKay quotes at his post game press conference.:rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        As an upstate New Yorker, I'd like to see both teams in that first game to lose

        As a bucs fan, I just don't care anymore.

        All that's left for us is for Coach Morris to start doing Coach McKay quotes at his post game press conference.:rolleyes:

        Yea, how about your teams's execution???
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          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

          Yea, how about your teams's execution???
          I'm all for it
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            Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

            I'm all for it

            rofl...an oldie but a goodie...
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              Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

              rofl...an oldie but a goodie...
              After the last game all I could think of was this gem.
              "We didn't tackle well today, but we made up for it by not blocking".
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    I'm a Cowboys FAN! I will get back to you next season.:confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    All I want for Christmas is a Bronco win and a Raider loss...Then after that, we can work on world peace and feeding the hungry kids.
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    Santa sucks this year.
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  • Profile picture of the author RayW
    Giants beating the undefeated Patriots in the Super Bowl, Eagles, the "Dream Team" not making the playoffs, Chiefs winning against the undefeated Packers... This is why I love football, it's so unpredictable, unlike the NBA...
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  • Profile picture of the author Sunfyre7896
    It's looking like the Patriots will have the number 1 seed, Baltimore will probably be #2 due to the tie break head to head with Pitt, Denver will make it unless they lose again and Oakland wins, Houston is in, Pitt will get the #5, and Cinci will most likely get 6, unless something happens and the Jets sneak in.

    Over in the NFC, Green Bay #1, San Fran and New Orleans will be #2 and #3, not sure which yet. Game tonight will help to determine that. If Romo is healthy, Dallas has a good shot at upending Eli as they had to blow it a couple weeks back to lose that game. The wild cards will most likely be Atlanta and Detroit, with their d-bag coach. That last part was my opinion but you could say it's fact with most of America and the league.

    So in summation:

    #1 - New England - Green Bay
    #2 - Baltimore - San Fran/New Orleans
    #3 - Houston - New Orleans/San Fran
    #4 - Denver - New York/Dallas
    #5 - Pittsburgh - Atlanta
    #6 - Cincinnati - Detroit
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Drew Brees Breaks Dan Marino's Passing Record In Saints-Falcons Game.

    It only took 15 games!!

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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Philadelphia...L

    Atlanta....W

    San Francisco...W

    Minnesota....L

    NY Giants...W

    New Orleans...W

    Tennessee...W

    Baltimore....W

    Pittsburgh...W

    Jacksonville...W

    Miami....W

    New England....W

    San Diego...just can't bet Oakland....W

    Denver....L

    Seattle....L

    Green Bay...W

    12 & 4


    Hey, Kurt..heard they're trading 3 of your top cheerleaders for Bill Maher...lol

    Go! Get out of Denver, baby, go, go
    Get out of Denver, baby, go
    Get out of Denver, baby, go, go


    What is up with Detroit 3.5 OVER Green Bay?

    Am I missing something here?
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    Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

    Philadelphia

    Atlanta

    San Francisco

    Minnesota

    NY Giants

    New Orleans

    Tennessee

    Baltimore

    Pittsburgh

    Jacksonville

    Miami

    New England

    San Diego...just can't bet Oakland

    Denver

    Seattle

    Green Bay


    Hey, Kurt..heard they're trading 3 of your top cheerleaders for Bill Maher...lol

    Go! Get out of Denver, baby, go, go
    Get out of Denver, baby, go
    Get out of Denver, baby, go, go


    What is up with Detroit 3.5 OVER Green Bay?

    Am I missing something here?

    GB resting many of their starters, including Rodgers (I think).


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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Of course... duh...guess it would pay me to read a little more.

    Without the perfect season on the line and a lot of the offensive line hurting...why wouldn't they?
    Thanks for bringin me back to earth Kurt...betting every team as practice, may not have been the best way to practice for next betting season, I have to admit...too much reading...too much to keep up with.

    If I don't see an effigy of Bill Maher somewhere in the next game ...I would be very surprised.
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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      Of course... duh...guess it would pay me to read a little more.

      Without the perfect season on the line and a lot of the offensive line hurting...why wouldn't they?
      Thanks for bringin me back to earth Kurt...betting every team as practice, may not have been the best way to practice for next betting season, I have to admit...too much reading...too much to keep up with.

      If I don't see an effigy of Bill Maher somewhere in the next game ...I would be very surprised.
      What people won't do to generate pub for themselves.


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      • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        What people won't do to generate pub for themselves.


        TL

        Bill was always a little suspect...to me...

        That was a stupid thing to do, up there with Gilbert Gottfried's infamous tweet..
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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

          Bill was always a little suspect...to me...

          That was a stupid thing to do, up there with Gilbert Gottfried's infamous tweet..
          I'm not sure what you mean by suspect, but Bill & Tebow are polar opposites.

          Bill's an serious atheist and he's looking to score points any way he can.

          I think he sees Tebow as someone he can pick on and use for pub - for years to come.



          All The Best!!


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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    There's no doubt Tebow needs to improve his throwing. There's also no doubt no one will work harder to try to improve.

    Plus, Tebow really needed coaching in the offseason, which he lost due to the lock out.

    The Broncos have also traded away their top 3 WRs over the last two seasons: Brandon Marshall, Jabbar Gafney and Brandon Lloyd.

    So I'd like to see Tebow get a little help at WR/TE, as well as get some coaching. Randall Cunningham and Steve Young were also low percentage throwers with problems with their mechanics early in their careers, let's see what Tebow can do with some work and some coaching and help from a group of young WRs that should also improve.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    You guys are funny

    I have enjoyed watching him play. I don't watch college football, but I still knew who he was.

    Looking at some of his NFL highlights, his passes are not the prettiest. But they get caught at the right times.

    Until Denvers recent 2 game skid, Tebow's 7 wins looked pretty good, but if you look at the teams they beat, well, for the most part the other teams records were not all that impressive. But he got the job done against them, which is what counts.

    Win some, lose some. It happens. Even with an Eli Manning, whose 4th quarter stats are pretty good, the Giants are still just 8-7.

    I think the Broncos have a QB they can build around. With his mobility he's going to be one to watch over the next couple of seasons - once he settles down and gets past the rookie stuff...
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    New England going all the way and there is nothing we can do about it
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      New England going all the way and there is nothing we can do about it
      Unless, of course, they run into the Giants in the Super Bowl.

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  • Profile picture of the author wikiblaster
    I like Green Bay to win it all again this year.
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      Originally Posted by wikiblaster View Post

      I like Green Bay to win it all again this year.
      I like Green Bay to win it all every year, but then, I'm such a homer.

      I'll bet Detroit thought they were getting a break with Rodgers sitting out the entire game, along with several other top players. Then along comes backup quarterback Matt Flynn who throws for 480 yards and 6 touchdowns. lol - it's great to be Packer fan lately.

      By the way, I haven't checked into this thread a couple weeks. I only read the last page this time, but it looks like someone should change the thread title to The Tim Tebow Thread. :p
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        I like Green Bay to win it all every year, but then, I'm such a homer.

        I'll bet Detroit thought they were getting a break with Rodgers sitting out the entire game, along with several other top players. Then along comes backup quarterback Matt Flynn who throws for 480 yards and 6 touchdowns. lol - it's great to be Packer fan lately.

        By the way, I haven't checked into this thread a couple weeks. I only read the last page this time, but it looks like someone should change the thread title to The Tim Tebow Thread. :p

        I didn't watch the Packer game, but when I checked the scores last night and saw what the Packers did, I assumed Rodgers played.

        I don't know if that's a testament to the Packers depth on the bench or how far down the Lions fell (or a little of both perhaps).
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        • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
          I usually wait, but I'll go ahead do these now...
          all favs this time...can't disagree with the pro's.

          Houston....W

          New Orleans...W

          NY Giants...this should be a good game...only one I hesitated on....W

          Pittsburgh...sorry Kurt ...but I wish your team good luck anyhow----well, well, well...L



          Getting back to normal is a bitch.
          get up this morning... drag out of bed 6 am...wake the kid to shower.. get his breakfast...usual double Monday morning stuff...
          Take him to school....
          find out it doesn't start till tomorrow....
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            Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

            I usually wait, but I'll go ahead do these now...
            all favs this time...can't disagree with the pro's.

            Houston

            New Orleans

            NY Giants...this should be a good game...only one I hesitated on.

            Pittsburgh...sorry Kurt ...but I wish your team good luck anyhow.



            Getting back to normal is a bitch.
            get up this morning... drag out of bed 6 am...wake the kid to shower.. get his breakfast...usual double Monday morning stuff...
            Take him to school....
            find out it doesn't start till tomorrow....
            Ih yeah Jim, Today is the observed holiday
            I got a late xmas present today.
            The whole Tampa Bay coaching staff got fired
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              Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

              Ih yeah Jim, Today is the observed holiday
              I got a late xmas present today.
              The whole Tampa Bay coaching staff got fired

              Yea Thom, I told myself last night I should have checked the schedule.. But I listened to wifey...what does she care, she didn't have to get up.

              Anyway, congrats on the coaching staff...we have our fingers crossed here too..lol. Norv needs to go...it's not like it's ill will to him, or his staff, but we could use some fresh insights...to many dumb trades over the last few years, just for starters.
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              • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                I thought he could be a good coach.
                The problem was (I think) with a young inexperienced team you need an experienced coach to develop them. I guess a couple of the names floating around now are Jeff Fisher and Bill Cowher.

                My wife used to pull that trick on me now and then.
                One of her many ways of getting payback on me and the kids:rolleyes:
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            Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

            I usually wait, but I'll go ahead do these now...
            all favs this time...can't disagree with the pro's.

            Houston Now it is time for the RAVENS to learn

            New Orleans

            NY Giants...this should be a good game...only one I hesitated on.

            Pittsburgh...sorry Kurt ...but I wish your team good luck anyhow.



            Getting back to normal is a bitch.
            get up this morning... drag out of bed 6 am...wake the kid to shower.. get his breakfast...usual double Monday morning stuff...
            Take him to school....
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            ^^^I found this completely HILARIOUS^^^^


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            • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
              New Orleans and Brees looked awesome. Can't wait to see how that offense does against the 49ers' defense next week.
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                New Orleans and Brees looked awesome. Can't wait to see how that offense does against the 49ers' defense next week.
                I think the 49ers have a good shot at beating the Saints. Outdoor, grass field... found this in an article today:

                "But in addition to possessing one of the NFL's top defenses, the 49ers could have something in their arsenal that's the closest thing to Saints kryptonite: a windy, outdoor stadium with a grass surface.

                The Saints went 8-0 at the Superdome during the regular season, but they were 3-2 in games played outdoors. Two of those wins came by five or fewer points."


                Let's go 9ers...
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              • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
                Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                New Orleans and Brees looked awesome. Can't wait to see how that offense does against the 49ers' defense next week.
                Keep in mind, New Orleans is a different animal on the road. Also, they were going against a Detroit secondary that can't stop a nose bleed. I have a tremendous amount of respect for the 49er's defense. Should be a good game though.

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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

          I didn't watch the Packer game, but when I checked the scores last night and saw what the Packers did, I assumed Rodgers played.

          I don't know if that's a testament to the Packers depth on the bench or how far down the Lions fell (or a little of both perhaps).
          Flynn is a pretty good quarterback. He's a free agent after this year. I'm guessing he'll be starting for someone next year. You might be right though, that it was a little of both. Besides sitting Rodgers the Packers sat Greg Jennings (top receiver), Bryan Bulaga (starting right tackle), James Starks (top running back) and Reggie Cobb (5th receiver, but also the punt and kickoff return man). They sat some of the top defensive players too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Tim's PR team must be one of the best around...

    Marvel Artists Portray Tebow


    BIFF...SPLAT...LOLL






    Guess this game against Orton and the Chiefs is a big deal in Denver...





    By the way this has nothing to do with your debate above...
    I just think it's funny that someone who hasn't even completed a season yet, gets more publicity than the bloomin Queen.


    Only time will tell...he certainly wouldn't be the first to start rough..
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    DEN
    SD

    I'm only picking the two games that matter...Although, these are more "hopes" than actual picks.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    I'd love to see Tebow in the NFL playoffs.


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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Congrats on winning the AFC West, Kurt.

    Glad we could help out down here, by beating the Raiders..

    NY Giants are putting on a show, hope they keep it up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    San Diego Chargers coach Norv Turner, GM A.J. Smith to keep jobs - ESPN


    I have yet to see anyone interviewed here, that's happy about this one.

    I'm not...three million a year..*^#@..for what?


    I count 144 & 67 for regular season
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      San Diego Chargers coach Norv Turner, GM A.J. Smith to keep jobs - ESPN


      I have yet to see anyone interviewed here, that's happy about this one.

      I'm not...three million a year..*^#@..for what?


      I count 144 & 67 for regular season
      I wonder if Indy firing Bill Polian will have an impact on this??? But still, with both Norv and Aj keeping their jobs (at least for now), it makes you wonder if they have some "pictures" of the owner?

      And TL...What's up with firing maybe the best GM in history after a single bad season? Speculation is here there's a disagreement between Polian and Irsay concerning Luck or Manning...
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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        I wonder if Indy firing Bill Polian will have an impact on this??? But still, with both Norv and Aj keeping their jobs (at least for now), it makes you wonder if they have some "pictures" of the owner?

        And TL...What's up with firing maybe the best GM in history after a single bad season? Speculation is here there's a disagreement between Polian and Irsay concerning Luck or Manning...
        I'm not sure what went on but I'd love to have been a fly on the wall during their meetings.

        We'll find out more as we get close to Manning's bonus payment time in mid March.

        I hear it's at least 25 mill.

        I can't wait to see what happens.

        All The Best!!

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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    I'll take:

    HOU
    NO
    NYG

    Sorry...But I can't pick against the Broncos, so I won't pick at all.

    Too bad about the Texans. I'd have them as AFC favorites, but injuries have really depleted them. They even lost Wade Phillips for a couple of games. Other than Harbaugh in SF, I think Gary Kubiak should be the Coach of the Year.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    I'll take:

    NYG

    G-Men at home by a field goal.


    PITT:

    Whether Big Ben plays or not, I don't see the upset - even in Denver.


    CIN

    A young depleted Texan team...

    NO

    Too much firepower for the Lions.

    IMHO...

    Their only hope is to knock Breez out of the game and Suh would love to do it.

    BTW...

    I remember the Ravens' TONY SIRAGUSA knocking the Raiders QB Rich Gannon out of a AFC Conference Championship game by simply falling hard on him - taking away any hope of a Raider victory.


    Baltimore Ravens defensive tackle Tony Siragusa announced he would appeal his $10,000 fine for slamming Oakland quarterback Rich Gannon to the ground in last week's American Football Conference championship game.

    He also said the fine would not temper his pursuit of Giants quarterback Kerry Collins in the Super Bowl.

    "It's not going to change the way I play this game," the 340-pound Siragusa said. "

    When you get an opportunity to get a hit on a quarterback, especially someone like me, you take it.




    Today...

    CINN @ HOU @ 4:30 Eastern

    DET @ NO to follow

    These picks are who I think will win the games and why but I don't care one way or the other and only want to see good, hard hitting games this weekend.


    All The Best!!

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  • Profile picture of the author AirForceVet
    Tebow is doing well right now! Lets see what happens!
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    Holy Cow! First play of overtime! 80 yard TD pass! Totally awesome! Congrats to Denver!
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      Holy Cow! First play of overtime! 80 yard TD pass! Totally awesome! Congrats to Denver!

      Unbelievable.

      That one game destroyed my picks for this weekend.

      Congo rats to Kurt and any other Denver fans though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Just got home....

    I cannot believe it...UN Freakin BELIEVABLE...congrats to Denver & to you Kurt.

    We will never hear the end of this now... on ESPN and elsewhere....


    I suddenly feel like Tebowing...


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      This is a good day to be a delusional Tebow fan....
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  • Profile picture of the author jeffrey73
    Looks like the Broncos pulled a page out of the "cardiac" Cardinals playbook and made a spectacular OT win.

    Congratulations to Tebow and all of Denver. Not to mention a little payback to "Big Ben" for what they did to AZ in the Superbowl a couple years back!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    As sports fans, we're all masochistic. There's so many let-downs in being a fan of a team and the odds of our favorite team winning a Superbowl are basically 1 in 32. Yet year after year we keep hoping and cheering...

    But every once in a while, there's a "payoff" for being a fan that keeps us coming back for more. The Broncos beating the Steelers, and the way they did it in a playoff game, makes it one of the very few real payoff games for me in 45+ years of being a Bronco fan.

    What a great game it was as a life-long, die-hard Bronco fan! ))
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    While I'm not a huge Broncos fan, I did like watching John Elway go out in style in SuperBowl 33. However as a Tebow fan, that game yesterday was one of my favorite of all time.

    It will be interesting to see what kind of reply they have for the Patriots. Because from watching this kid over the years, the one thing that is for certain is that he learns from his mistakes fairly quickly, and is good at recovering from them.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That's why they...

    That game was a perfect example of a team daring a young QB to beat them through the air and he proceeded to royally scorch them.


    WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

    I'd love to see the look on Bill Mars face during and after that final play.

    Congrats Kurt!

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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Don't know if you saw this story already Kurt (or anyone, of course)...I'm going to put the link up without checking the stats...which I will, in a bit.
    I have a hard time believing it, but if it's true...weird, best I can come with...:p

    Tebow 3:16
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      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      Don't know if you saw this story already Kurt (or anyone, of course)...I'm going to put the link up without checking the stats...which I will, in a bit.
      I have a hard time believing it, but if it's true...weird, best I can come with...:p

      Tebow 3:16

      Thanks Jim...

      Yeah, I was aware of it...Been listening/reading the local sports while working today.

      Tebow not only thanks his God...He also thanks his teammates after every game...He always says, "And thanks to my teammates that make me look better than I really am."

      In the day and age of the modern athlete ego, Tebow is really a refreshing breath of air...

      I like Bill Mahr too, but Mahr sometimes goes way overboard with things, and he did with Tebow.
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        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Thanks Jim...

        Yeah, I was aware of it...Been listening/reading the local sports while working today.

        Tebow not only thanks his God...He also thanks his teammates after every game...He always says, "And thanks to my teammates that make me look better than I really am."

        In the day and age of the modern athlete ego, Tebow is really a refreshing breath of air...

        I like Bill Mahr too, but Mahr sometimes goes way overboard with things, and he did with Tebow.
        Yea, I'm glad he takes time to thank his teammates too.
        Show's (at least partially) that he's not getting an inflated ego...
        The thing that I pay attention to is that his teammates aren't coming out with "Oh, how come he's getting all the press?" kind of thing.
        They actually seem to like him and back him. That say's a lot about a person, when your peers respect you.


        And yea, I stopped watching Mahr before this even happened...he was getting a little mean spirited for my taste, a joke and kidding are one thing, being mean spirited is another.

        TL that's what I meant about being suspect of Mahr...although I will admit that saying is kind of an archaic one these day's.
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      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      Don't know if you saw this story already Kurt (or anyone, of course)...I'm going to put the link up without checking the stats...which I will, in a bit.
      I have a hard time believing it, but if it's true...weird, best I can come with...:p

      Tebow 3:16

      In College, Tebow wore "John 3:16" on his eye black patches, but isn't allowed to in the NFL...Here's some more 3:16 facts about the Steelers/Broncos game:
      • 316 yards passing.
      • 31.6 yards per attempt.
      • Steelers interception on 3rd & 16.
      • Steelers time of possession - 31 min, 6 sec
      • Neilson Ratings - 31.6
      Then...There was the "Mile High Halo" witnessed by 76,000 people and documented by multiple people taking pictures:
      'Mile High Halo' Forms Over Tim Tebow And Mile High Stadium During Broncos Steelers Game (PHOTOS)
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    Yea..uh... his PR guy is toooo much..

    Almost spooky.



    Comment from another story on the halo...made me laugh.

    Did anyone else find it odd that the officials in the Denver Broncos, Pittsburgh Steelers playoff game were named Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John?
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  • Profile picture of the author AirForceVet
    Tebow is so humble, it's amazing. We need more athletes like that!
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    New Orleans...L

    New England...W

    Baltimore...

    Green Bay...


    If Tebow and the fellas can pull it off against New England in New England, I will personally drive to Denver and Teebow in a front o him....
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      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      New Orleans

      New England

      Baltimore

      Green Bay


      If Tebow and the fellas can pull it off against New England in New England, I will personally drive to Denver and Teebow in a front o him....
      I don't have a clue this weekend. I could pick just the opposite of these, but...I'll go:

      NO
      GB
      Texas

      ...Again, I think these games are a coin flip. Ask me again in a little while and I'll probably change my mind on each game.

      And Go Broncos! (I just can't pick against them...)
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  • Profile picture of the author Thehockeykid
    I believe that the Bronco's are gonna lose it in New England. They have made it this far riding on faith and Tebow, which won't get them past the Patriots.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      49ers will win 30 to 28 with all 30 points coming from 10 field goals.
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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        49ers will win 30 to 28 with all 30 points coming from 10 field goals.

        I'd love to see SF pull this one out Tim.

        Since the Pats prevented my Colts from reaching at least a couple more Super Bowls, I have developed a dislike of them and would love to see them get dropped.

        I'm in favor of the Tebow thing continuing all the way to the big game.

        The only thing that can stop the Pack is a extra ferocious 4 man pass rush that the Giants have proven they can generate.

        G-Men 27-24 or they get blown the hell out bigtime.

        I can't see the Texans beating the Ravens but it's playoff time and stranger things have happened.

        Enjoy the games!!

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    • Profile picture of the author Sunfyre7896
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      That's how the NFL measures it - not me. And it does use a measurement of Completion Percentage, Average Yards Per Attempt, Percentage of Touchdown Passes, and Percentage of Interceptions. I don't know what else YOU would use to measure a quarterback's skills.

      Sorry - but you're the one that's delusional. The facts show that he's one of the best in the 4th quarter - and only someone that's delusional could deny it. - And being that he's just a rookie - I can't wait until he figures out how to control the rudder on his boat. I'm looking forward to seeing some people eat crow.
      Tony Romo has a higher rating than any active QB in the 4th quarter, had top 5 stats in basically all meaningful QB categories including a 102 rating, at least going into the last game of the year when I checked, and yet somehow everyone says he's garbage. He's a top 10 QB every year, but people outside of DFW and some within DFW trash him. I will never understand.

      Originally Posted by tamiro1992 View Post

      New England going all the way and there is nothing we can do about it
      This I am hoping for seeing as I hate the Giants being a Cowboys fan, don't want the 9'ers to get another ring, not really anything against Baltimore, just want to see my favorite, Brady (Because I'm a huge Michigan Wolverines fan where he went) get another ring to equal the most ever by a QB.

      Originally Posted by wikiblaster View Post

      I like Green Bay to win it all again this year.
      Could've happened had they decided to show up. I saw a bunch of lackadaisical play out there.

      Originally Posted by Thehockeykid View Post

      I believe that the Bronco's are gonna lose it in New England. They have made it this far riding on faith and Tebow, which won't get them past the Patriots.
      The NFL world has come back into balance with Tebow bowing out to Brady and his most ridiculous of playoff performances. Can anyone say that he's not great? And against a good Denver defense that, to me, was a huge reason they were there in the first place. Tebow might have helped to win games, but the defense definitely kept them in most of them.

      Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

      Usually when a team doesn't play well, the other team has something to do with it. I hear more people making excuses about why the Packers lost than are giving credit to the Giants for winning. It's not like this is the first time that the Giants have gone into Green Bay and won in the playoffs. They have a history of doing this.

      The only reason the game was as close as it was is because of Aaron Rodgers. The guy was Houdini out there!

      David Jackson
      8 dropped passes will go along way in that. I read somewhere in here that they were all contested. Maybe a couple, but there were plenty that I saw where the receivers just looked down field early or just let the ball go through their arms. The Giants are playing pretty good now, but I think that they're weak secondary is going to get exposed in the next game or the Super Bowl, if they face Brady.


      I'm hoping for a New England Niners matchup, but I guess I'll take a N.E. Giants rematch if that's what it has to come down to. Congratulations to all of the fans of those still in it. It should be an interesting next weekend with the matchups.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by Sunfyre7896 View Post

        Tony Romo has a higher rating than any active QB in the 4th quarter, had top 5 stats in basically all meaningful QB categories including a 102 rating, at least going into the last game of the year when I checked, and yet somehow everyone says he's garbage. He's a top 10 QB every year, but people outside of DFW and some within DFW trash him. I will never understand.

        The reason is because no matter how good he is in the regular season he hasn't proven his worth in the post season. It's not just Romo. This is what gets said about pretty much any QB in his situation. Mark Sanchez on the Jets has 4 road playoff wins, but no trips to the big show and after this season there is all kinds of chatter in the media about getting rid of him.

        And FWIW - 4 weeks ago the NY media (some, not all) were calling for this to be it for Tom Coughlin. This is just the way it is.


        This I am hoping for seeing as I hate the Giants being a Cowboys fan, don't want the 9'ers to get another ring, not really anything against Baltimore, just want to see my favorite, Brady (Because I'm a huge Michigan Wolverines fan where he went) get another ring to equal the most ever by a QB.
        Let's not count those chickens yet LOL


        Could've happened had they decided to show up. I saw a bunch of lackadaisical play out there.
        That's one perspective - from a Giants hater. This Giants fan saw a game where GB was just outplayed by the Giants, made more mistakes, and the Giants took advantage of them. The G-Men were the better team this time.


        The NFL world has come back into balance with Tebow bowing out to Brady and his most ridiculous of playoff performances. Can anyone say that he's not great? And against a good Denver defense that, to me, was a huge reason they were there in the first place. Tebow might have helped to win games, but the defense definitely kept them in most of them.
        Yeah, no kidding! Seems like NE had to tone it down some so they wouldn't run up the score. What can you say - NE is just a fabulous team.


        8 dropped passes will go along way in that. I read somewhere in here that they were all contested. Maybe a couple, but there were plenty that I saw where the receivers just looked down field early or just let the ball go through their arms. The Giants are playing pretty good now, but I think that they're weak secondary is going to get exposed in the next game or the Super Bowl, if they face Brady.
        Well, I sure hope you're wrong. Seems like their secondary gave GB a hard time all day. I believe they can do the same against SF


        I'm hoping for a New England Niners matchup, but I guess I'll take a N.E. Giants rematch if that's what it has to come down to. Congratulations to all of the fans of those still in it. It should be an interesting next weekend with the matchups.
        I'd like to see the Giants go against NE again too. The last one was one of the best Superbowls I ever saw. Plus I can't stand the Ravens
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    Wow, what a nail biter in S.F. Congrats to the Niners!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    I watched a football game and a hockey game broke out...lol.
    I would have ejected that idiot for that hit.....but that's just my sweet disposition

    There is little doubt in my view that we will see a different Tebow next year...much improved.

    Congrats to San Francisco and fans, that was a great game...
    A well deserved win.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    The Broncos would have won if there was another 70-80 minutes left in the game. We just ran out of time.

    Seriously, going from the losingest team in the NFL over 32 games to making the playoffs and a playoff win...I'll take it. It was a fun season.

    Now, it's time to root for long-time Broncos Gary Kubiak and Rick Dennison and their Texans.
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    I think you guy's will have even more fun next year Kurt.

    After proper training camp and etc....this situation almost reminds me of when they expected rookie Marijuanavich to take over the Raiders at QB....lots of pressure.
    I think Tebow handled it pretty well.

    I read that article you posted earlier, Believing in Tebow.
    Any kid that can be like that, will more than likely have quite a few supporters in his corner, for some time to come, some people will be there because he's a good guy, some big money people will be there for the potential for massive PR.
    I'm reasonably sure he'll have every chance in the book, he actually seems to handle the pressure well, which is impressive. Better than Marinovich did, that's for sure.


    That SF NO game was why I love football..Thom's right...probably one of, if not the, best game this year. That I have seen anyway.


    Edit: after going and reading up to refresh, I guess I remembered wrong, Marinovich was actually in his second season with the Raiders when he was given the start. In any case, he wasn't ready.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    A young Tebow and the Broncs meet their Waterloo.

    It was fun while it lasted.

    What a crazy game in SF.

    I'm glad the 9ers won.

    Congrats Tim!

    Hopefully we'll have some good games today.

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      It may still be a little early, but I'm thinkin a 49er's-Ravens Superbowl.
      I'm giving the edge to San Fran, say 21-24.
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        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        It may still be a little early, but I'm thinkin a 49er's-Ravens Superbowl.
        I'm giving the edge to San Fran, say 21-24.

        Yep - it was a little early.
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

          Yep - it was a little early.
          I don't know Mike.
          I think the 49er's can handle the Gents and Baltimore should take care of N.E.
          It would be more fun for me if it is a Giants-Patriots Superbowl though.
          My two best friends and I will be watching the game and one is a Giants fan and the other a Pats fan
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          • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
            Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

            I think the 49er's can handle the Gents.
            That's what everybody was saying about the Packers before this game. I thought the winner of the Giants/Packers game would represent the NFC in the Super Bowl. I still feel that way.

            The 49er's are a damn good team, but the Giants just beat the best team in football - in their house!!!

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            • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
              Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

              That's what everybody was saying about the Packers before this game. I thought the winner of the Giants/Packers game would represent the NFC in the Super Bowl. I still feel that way.

              The 49er's are a damn good team, but the Giants just beat the best team in football - in their house!!!

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              I wrote this in another thread, but I have to wonder how much the death of the offensive coordinators son hurt the Packers. The 8 dropped passes, 3 lost fumbles and INT are not representative of the way Packers played this year.
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              • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
                Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                I wrote this in another thread, but I have to wonder how much the death of the offensive coordinators son hurt the Packers. The 8 dropped passes, 3 lost fumbles and INT are not representative of the way Packers played this year.
                Usually when a team doesn't play well, the other team has something to do with it. I hear more people making excuses about why the Packers lost than are giving credit to the Giants for winning. It's not like this is the first time that the Giants have gone into Green Bay and won in the playoffs. They have a history of doing this.

                The only reason the game was as close as it was is because of Aaron Rodgers. The guy was Houdini out there!

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                • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                  Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

                  Usually when a team doesn't play well, the other team has something to do with it. I hear more people making excuses about why the Packers lost than are giving credit to the Giants for winning. It's not like this is the first time that the Giants have gone into Green Bay and won in the playoffs. They have a history of doing this.

                  The only reason the game was as close as it was is because of Aaron Rodgers. The guy was Houdini out there!

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                  I didn't make excuses, I just wondered aloud about a very obvious question. In another thread I said the Giants played well, and that we had nothing to complain about. I'm guesseing you'd wonder about it too, if it were your team.

                  I disagree with your assessment that the Rodgers is the only reason it was as close as it was -- 8 dropped passes can make a huge difference in a game. So do the fumbles, but I credit the Giants defense for that. The dropped passes are on the Packers.
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                  • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
                    Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                    I didn't make excuses, I just wondered aloud about a very obvious question. In another thread I said the Giants played well, and that we had nothing to complain about. I'm guesseing you'd wonder about it too, if it were your team.

                    I disagree with your assessment that the Rodgers is the only reason it was as close as it was -- 8 dropped passes can make a huge difference in a game. So do the fumbles, but I credit the Giants defense for that. The dropped passes are on the Packers.
                    Actually, I never wonder. When my Giants weren't playing well and lost, I congratulated the other team and moved on. I never wonder aloud about what might have been because in every game played there's always woulda...coulda...shoulda.

                    For example, the refs gave the Packers 14 points on bad calls. Even the Green Bay newspaper admitted that. We still won despite those calls. I think it's odd you aren't wondering about that.

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                    • Profile picture of the author garyv
                      Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

                      Actually, I never wonder. When my Giants weren't playing well and lost, I congratulated the other team and moved on. I never wonder aloud about what might have been because in every game played there's always woulda...coulda...shoulda.

                      For example, the refs gave the Packers 14 points on bad calls. Even the Green Bay newspaper admitted that. We still won despite those calls. I think it's odd you aren't wondering about that.

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                      You just contradicted yourself in the very same post lol.


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            • Profile picture of the author ThomM
              Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

              That's what everybody was saying about the Packers before this game. I thought the winner of the Giants/Packers game would represent the NFC in the Super Bowl. I still feel that way.

              The 49er's are a damn good team, but the Giants just beat the best team in football - in their house!!!

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              I lost faith in Green Bay around their last regular season game.
              I don't know why, I just did.
              Giants could win next week.
              Either way I think it's going to be another great football game.
              I think out of the 4 teams left all but the Pats are playing with passion.
              With the exception of the Broncos-Pats game, we've seen some good games so far.
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              • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
                Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                I think out of the 4 teams left all but the Pats are playing with passion.
                That is such a ridiculous statement it's laughable. :rolleyes:

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                • Profile picture of the author jeffrey73
                  I can't argue with that. The Pats played with a TON of passion, so did the Broncos. The difference was that NE is a better team and Brady is 100x better of a quarterback than Tebow. End of story.

                  Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

                  That is such a ridiculous statement it's laughable. :rolleyes:

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                • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                  Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

                  That is such a ridiculous statement it's laughable. :rolleyes:

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                  When I watch the Pats they just seem like it's another day at the office to them.
                  It's a confidence level that I don't think the other teams have.
                  Heck your Jersey team was 7-7 at one point. I think at this point they are showing more passion then the Pats. Same with the 49er's, they sucked last year.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I knew coming out of the gate that the Packers were going to get themselves into trouble in this game. They were using plays and players that they hadn't used all year. What a bad time to deviate away from what got you this far.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Looks like we will crown a "new" champion this season as the Pack, packed it in verses the G-Men.

    I had no clue that the Pack had the worst pass defense ( yardage wise ) in the entire history of the NFL.

    A high scoring Packer offense and receiving lots of turnovers this year - covered up that important stat.

    Losing the turnover battle by just 1 turnover will seal anyone's doom (75% of the time)...

    ... but when it's 4 to 1, 95% of teams can simply forget about winning.

    The Pack also lost the sack battle 4 to 1 and the stats are similar.

    - Folks will claim a dropped pass a lot quicker than claiming there was a bad pass.

    - Lots of so-called dropped passes are actually contested passes.


    The defense of the Giants was outstanding as they took away those deep slants the Packers love to hurt other teams with and forced them to do something else.

    Bottom line...

    Lack of ball security + a few key dropped passes + worst pass defense in league history + great Giant defense = new champion.




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    • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      Lots of so-called dropped passes are actually contested passes.

      The defense of the Giants was outstanding as they took away those deep slants the Packers love to hurt other teams with and forced them to do something else.

      Bottom line...

      Lack of ball security + a few key dropped passes + worst pass defense in league history + great Giant defense = new champion.
      There it is...no excuses...just the bottom line!

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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      - Lots of so-called dropped passes are actually contested passes

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      So-called, TL? It's an actual statistical category. Dropped passes are graded as passes that should have been caught, not passes that were defensed. It is subjective, like errors in baseball, but dropped passes and contested passes are two different things.

      Examples: Roddy White leads the league with 15 dropped passes. The Packers Jermichael Finley is 5th with 11 drops. The Giants Victor Cruz and Hakeem Nicks are both tied for 10th (along with a bunch of others) with 7 drops each.
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        These are two different statistical categories. Dropped passes are graded as passes that should have been caught, not passes that were defensed. Two different things.
        I agree that the Packers for the most part defeated themselves. After all without the dropped passes, and lousy play calling, it could have easily been like week 13's game.

        However, the Giants deserved that game, because they were right there ready to take advantage of it. The Packers have had several other games during the year where there was some sloppy playing going on, but the only other team that took advantage of it was the Cheifs.

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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          I agree that the Packers for the most part defeated themselves. After all without the dropped passes, and lousy play calling, it could have easily been like week 13's game.

          However, the Giants deserved that game, because they were right there ready to take advantage of it. The Packers have had several other games during the year where there was some sloppy playing going on, but the only other team that took advantage of it was the Cheifs.

          I congratulate New York - But I will miss the discount double check commercials.
          I agree with everything you said, and more. For example, some of the Packer's strategies were ill-conceived, or at least ill-timed. Like the onside kick early in the game. That worked once earlier in the year, but the Giants hadn't shown any signs they'd fall for it.

          All I did was wonder how much the death of the offensive coordinators son affected the game. There's nothing wrong with wondering that, so I don't know why some people are making it an issue.
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          • Profile picture of the author garyv
            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            I agree with everything you said. Some of strategies were ill-conceived too, or at least ill-timed. Like the onside kick early in the game. That worked once earlier in the year, but the Giants hadn't shown any signs they'd fall for it.

            All I did was wonder how much the death of the offensive coordinators son affected the offenses play, and play calling. I don't know why some people are making that an issue.

            I agree - and not making excuses either - but they were using plays that they hadn't used all year. - Don't modify a car that's currently winning you the race.
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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        So-called, TL? It's an actual statistical category. Dropped passes are graded as passes that should have been caught, not passes that were defensed. It is subjective, like errors in baseball, but dropped passes and contested passes are two different things.

        Examples: Roddy White leads the league with 15 dropped passes. The Packers Jermichael Finley is 5th with 11 drops. The Giants Victor Cruz and Hakeem Nicks are both tied for 10th (along with a bunch of others) with 7 drops each.
        I hear you Dennis.

        and...

        I'm willing to bet that lots - at least 1/4 of the passes that are labeled as dropped should not be - IMHO.


        I'd love to see official definitions of dropped passes.


        BTW...

        I wonder why isn't there a stat of missed passes by the QBs?


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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

          I'm willing to bet that lots - at least 1/4 of the passes that are labeled as dropped should not be - IMHO.
          That's what makes it subjective, TL.

          I have to agree with you though, maybe not on the percentage, but with the general idea. I thought one of the passes Finley was charged with for a drop wasn't deserved. It hit him in the hands, but he was stretched out vertical trying to dive for the ball. That's a pretty tough one to take.
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Well, all I know is that the Giants are one game away from the Super Bowl. So regardless of whether or not Green Bay "showed up" they're the ones going home for the summer.

            Sour grapes if you ask me.:rolleyes:
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            • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
              Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

              Well, all I know is that the Giants are one game away from the Super Bowl. So regardless of whether or not Green Bay "showed up" they're the ones going home for the summer.

              Sour grapes if you ask me.:rolleyes:
              The Giants/49er's game should be a dandy. I haven't seen the 49er's play all year, but from what I've read they've been doing it with defense all year-- except now they put up a lot of points against the Saints, who are capable of playing some pretty good "d" themselves. We may have another shoot out coming. I'm looking forward to the game. Good luck, Steven!
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          • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            That's what makes it subjective, TL.

            I have to agree with you though, maybe not on the percentage, but with the general idea. I thought one of the passes Finley was charged with for a drop wasn't deserved. It hit him in the hands, but he was stretched out vertical trying to dive for the ball. That's a pretty tough one to take.
            I don't even count the pass in the corner of the end zone to Greg Jennings as a drop.

            The defender clearly messed with his vision as he barely got his hands on the ball - that was not touched by the defender.

            IMHO...

            - If you have to stretch out horizontal it's not a drop.

            - If you have to dive for the ball - in any way, it's not a drop.

            - If a defender touches you in any way when the ball arrives, it's not a drop.

            - If you have to get the ball off the ground - it's not a drop.

            They would all be great catches but if the receiver can't make the catch, I wouldn't call them dropped balls.

            I've had people suggest that even if a player is shot while attempting to catch the ball - he should catch it.

            LOL!

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            • Profile picture of the author garyv
              Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

              I don't even count the pass in the corner of the end zone to Greg Jennings as a drop.

              The defender clearly messed with his vision as he barely got his hands on the ball - that was not touched by the defender.

              IMHO...

              - If you have to stretch out horizontal it's not a drop.

              - If you have to dive for the ball - in any way, it's not a drop.

              - If a defender touches you in any way when the ball arrives, it's not a drop.

              - If you have to get the ball off the ground - it's not a drop.

              They would all be great catches but if the receiver can't make the catch, I wouldn't call them dropped balls.

              I've had people suggest that even if a player is shot while attempting to catch the ball - he should catch it.

              LOL!

              All The Best!!

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              I'd say that if it's a pass that the player has caught a large majority of the time in the past, but this time mis-handles it, then it's a drop.

              Here's an interesting stat... did you know that Jordy Nelson became the first player with a TD reception in each of his team's home games since the 16-game schedule was adopted in 1978. But guess which home game broke that streak?
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                49ers by 10 vs Giants.

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                • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                  Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                  49ers by 10 vs Giants.

                  Hoping for a Harbough/Harbough rematch.
                  By 10... hmm, you have a lot of faith in your Niners. That's good.

                  Personally, I think it could go either way but by about 3, certainly no more than 7. And for the record, I believe the Giants are "hotter" than the Niners right now so I'll take them - plus they're my team

                  I'll tip one back for you at kick off!

                  Edit: 2 interesting stats. Since 1980 the Giants are only 3 and 11 VS. the Niners.

                  But, the Giants are 4 and 0 in the NFC championship game - including one against the Niners

                  Of course, none of that matters this Sunday. Just thought I'd share.
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                  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                    Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                    By 10... hmm, you have a lot of faith in your Niners. That's good.

                    Personally, I think it could go either way but by about 3, certainly no more than 7. And for the record, I believe the Giants are "hotter" than the Niners right now so I'll take them - plus they're my team

                    I'll tip one back for you at kick off!

                    Edit: 2 interesting stats. Since 1980 the Giants are only 3 and 11 VS. the Niners.

                    But, the Giants are 4 and 0 in the NFC championship game - including one against the Niners

                    Of course, none of that matters this Sunday. Just thought I'd share.
                    These two belligerents have met many times in the playoffs since 1980 with the 9ers leading 4-3.

                    I hope this one is one for the ages.

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                    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                      These two belligerents have met many times in the playoffs since 1980 with the 9ers leading 4-3.

                      I hope this one is one for the ages.

                      Story and footage here...

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                      Yes they have and I remember all of them. But only once for the NFC title, which the G-Men won (the 1990 season).

                      I am looking forward to this game. I believe it will come down to turnovers and who has the ball last. Makes for exciting football.
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                  • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
                    Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                    I believe the Giants are "hotter" than the Niners right now.
                    The Giants are the hottest teams in the playoffs. Everybody is talking about the 49er's defense, and rightfully so. But the most dominant defense in the playoffs has been the Giants. They're only giving up 11 points a game. Yes, I know, the Pats defense held the Broncos to only 10 points. But the Broncos are a one-dimensional team. They don't have a quarterback who can throw the ball.

                    Conversely, the 49er's gave up 32 points to the Saints - despite forcing all those turnovers. When your defense forces that many turnovers, the game shouldn't have been that close. Just sayin'.

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    Also - it's not uncommon for a team w/ a very good offense, to have a defense w/ the worst stats. You're not as motivated to stop an offensive drive when you know that stopping it will not make much difference in the game.

    If your offense has driven up the score, why waste energy trying to win a game that has already been won? - I know it's a terrible philosophy, but I'm sure that's how many of them think.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      Also - it's not uncommon for a team w/ a very good offense, to have a defense w/ the worst stats. You're not as motivated to stop an offensive drive when you know that stopping it will not make much difference in the game.

      If your offense has driven up the score, why waste energy trying to win a game that has already been won? - I know it's a terrible philosophy, but I'm sure that's how many of them think.
      Teams with a great defense or great offense have often used higher draft picks on that side of the ball in recent years.
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    I didn't think the Packers would lose...just goes to show that you never know who will win.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    dang you guys actually know your stuff.

    I watch it here in OZ on cable. I love it. Especially lingerie NFL, but lets not go there right now. LOL.

    what is it with the 9'ers and the saints game. Anyone?
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    I'd love to see the 49ers pull out a victory over the visiting G-Men but I do not think this team can come from where they were and win the conference title in one year.

    Has anyone else done it??


    The G-Men are not afraid of the road and are the hottest team remaining.

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    On the AFC side of the border...

    The Ravens jumped all over NE the last time they met in the post season.

    I'd love to see it happen again but unless they get big pressure on Tom Brady I don't see them outscoring the Pats.

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    • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      I'd love to see the 49ers pull out a victory over the visiting G-Men but I do not think this team can come from where they were and win the conference title in one year.

      Has anyone else done it??
      It's extremely rare, but it has been done before - most recently by a NFC West team. The 2008-2009 Arizona Cardinals (9-7) defeated the Philadelphia Eagles in the NFC Conference Championship, to advance to the Super Bowl, after not making the playoffs the previous season.

      But like I said, it's extremely rare. If anything, it looks like the Giants are following the Cardinals path to the Super Bowl. Very eerily similar - same records and everything. Of course, it could easily be argued the Giants are also following the same path to the Super Bowl that they themselves traveled just 4 years ago.

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        Very true Mr. Jackson, and what a great season it was indeed! ( almost ) LOL

        The Cardinals came up short this year because of a lackluster offensive line and QB problems, but still ended decently. ( somehow )

        Let's see Peyton come to AZ next season, and you could possibly see the Cards in next years SuperBowl! Good luck to Eli, he has finally silenced most of his critics.

        Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

        It's extremely rare, but it has been done before - most recently by a NFC West team. The 2008-2009 Arizona Cardinals (9-7) defeated the Philadelphia Eagles in the NFC Conference Championship, to advance to the Super Bowl, after not making the playoffs the previous season.

        But like I said, it's extremely rare. If anything, it looks like the Giants are following the Cardinals path to the Super Bowl. Very eerily similar - same records and everything. Of course, it could easily be argued the Giants are also following the same path to the Super Bowl that they themselves traveled just 4 years ago.

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        • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
          Originally Posted by jeffrey73 View Post

          Good luck to Eli, he has finally silenced most of his critics.
          Unfortunately, there will always be Eli haters out there - even if he won 10 Super Bowls. Why? Because Eli isn't Peyton - arguably the greatest quarterback of all time.

          No matter what Eli accomplishes, it will never be enough for some people. The good news is because of the way Eli is wired, that stuff doesn't bother him. As a Giants fan, I feel lucky as hell that he's our quarterback.

          Ask Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers and Brett Favre how it feels to go head to head with Eli in the playoffs.

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          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
            Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

            Unfortunately, there will always be Eli haters out there - even if he won 10 Super Bowls. Why? Because Eli isn't Peyton - arguably the greatest quarterback of all time.

            No matter what Eli accomplishes, it will never be enough for some people. The good news is because of the way Eli is wired, that stuff doesn't bother him. As a Giants fan, I feel lucky as hell that he's our quarterback.

            Ask Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers and Brett Favre how it feels to go head to head with Eli in the playoffs.

            David Jackson
            I have a friend who is a die-hard Cowboys fan as well as a die-hard Giants hater. Yesterday he was throwing around QB ratings or something where Romo is in the top 5 and Eli is not.

            Of course, he went quiet when I asked him how many Superbowl rings Romo has. And when is Romo's next game... (yes Cowboy fans - I know they have more SB wins, but we were discussing QBs, not teams...)

            You are right - there will always be Eli critics. But like you, I feel the Giants are lucky to have him. And I also consider him and elite QB with ice water in his veins.
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            • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
              Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

              I have a friend who is a die-hard Cowboys fan as well as a die-hard Giants hater. Yesterday he was throwing around QB ratings or something where Romo is in the top 5 and Eli is not.

              Of course, he went quiet when I asked him how many Superbowl rings Romo has. And when is Romo's next game... (yes Cowboy fans - I know they have more SB wins, but we were discussing QBs, not teams...)

              You are right - there will always be Eli critics. But like you, I feel the Giants are lucky to have him. And I also consider him and elite QB with ice water in his veins.
              Actually, you should have asked him how many playoffs games the Cowboys have won in the last 15 years. The answer is one. That's right, the Cowboys have only one playoff win in the last 15 years. America's Team? America's Frauds!

              Regarding Eli, the last 2 seasons, he has been the league's highest-rated quarterback in the fourth quarter. Think about that for a second. The highest-rated quarterback in the entire league in the fourth quarter.

              With all due respect to Peyton, Brady, Brees and Rodgers...If I had my choice of any quarterback to direct a game winning drive in the last 2 minutes, I'll take Eli everytime!

              The dude is clutch!

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            • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
              Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

              I also consider him an elite QB with ice water in his veins.
              Only the very ignorant would say otherwise. Eli has even converted his 3 harshest critics into believers. Hall of fame quarterbacks, Steve Young, Terry Bradshaw and Troy Aikman all acknowledged this year that Eli has reached "elite" status.

              What took you guys so long?

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  • Profile picture of the author ldbjr
    The Giants this year are the Packers of last year, IMO.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
      Originally Posted by ldbjr View Post

      The Giants this year are the Packers of last year, IMO.
      That's actually a very apropo comparison. Last year, Green Bay won the Super Bowl despite having 15 key players on IR. This year, the Giants are excelling despite having 13 key players on IR.

      It also speaks to how deep and talented both teams are to be able to overcome that many injuries to so many key players.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Again, these games are a coin toss...I'll take the Harbowl:

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      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      New England...

      N.Y. Giants...
      I'll go Ravens, 49er's to keep it interesting.
      The Ravens have handled the Pats before, and as a born and raised New Yorker I can't support that New Jersey team
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        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        I'll go Ravens, 49er's to keep it interesting.
        The Ravens have handled the Pats before, and as a born and raised New Yorker I can't support that New Jersey team
        Copy cat.

        (I already took the Harbowl)
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          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Copy cat.

          (I already took the Harbowl)
          Well with the way you've been picking this year, who better to copy
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        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        I'll go Ravens, 49er's to keep it interesting.
        The Ravens have handled the Pats before, and as a born and raised New Yorker I can't support that New Jersey team
        Awe, come one. Lame-o reasoning

        I am routing for the Giants (for obvious reasons), but I won't pick. I suck at picking
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

          Awe, come one. Lame-o reasoning

          I am routing for the Giants (for obvious reasons), but I won't pick. I suck at picking
          No offence Mike.
          That's been a running joke with all my Giants fan friends for years, Jets fan friends also
          They call my team the Tampa Bay Yucks, I call their teams the Jersey Giants and Jersey Jets.
          It's tough being a Bucs fan in upstate New York
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    Being from Jersey originally, I used to call them the Jersey Giants just to mess with my NY friends too. And I used to say "Buffalo? Where is that?" for the Bills.

    All in good fun.

    Tampa Bay Yucks, eh? Well, I'd use that if I actually knew any Tampa fans personally
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      Being from Jersey originally, I used to call them the Jersey Giants just to mess with my NY friends too. And I used to say "Buffalo? Where is that?" for the Bills.

      All in good fun.

      Tampa Bay Yucks, eh? Well, I'd use that if I actually knew any Tampa fans personally
      For years I only knew 1 other Bucs fan here.
      I always tell my friends my AFC team is the Bills cause they are the true NY team
      Being a Bucs fan, I can't bust their balls on actual football

      It is all good fun though. Again as a Bucs fan in New York, you need a good sense of humour and a thick skin.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        For years I only knew 1 other Bucs fan here.
        I always tell my friends my AFC team is the Bills cause they are the true NY team
        Being a Bucs fan, I can't bust their balls on actual football

        It is all good fun though. Again as a Bucs fan in New York, you need a good sense of humour and a thick skin.
        Same with being a life long Mets fan - especially around all this holier than thou Yankees fans
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  • Profile picture of the author LeeLee
    So, what did you guys think about Steven Tyler's rendition of the National Anthem? I enjoyed it. Refreshing change from what is usually offered. But I am reading a lot of criticisms.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    What a weekend of football. I have nothing but nubs where my fingernails used to be.

    Another road NFC win in OT, just like in the 07 season. Incredible.

    Hats off to the Niners too. They played an incredible game.
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    • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      New England...W

      N.Y. Giants...W
      Whew...close


      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      What a weekend of football. I have nothing but nubs where my fingernails used to be.

      Another road NFC win in OT, just like in the 07 season. Incredible.

      Hats off to the Niners too. They played an incredible game.

      I know what you mean Mike, Giants game about induced a stroke...:p

      I knew it would be close, but not THAT close...lol


      Congrats to Giants fans and New England fans...

      Also congratulations to 49er and Baltimore fans, good games and entertaining football all around.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      Hats off to the Niners too. They played an incredible game.
      I agree. The 49er's are one tough team. I salute them.

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    New England Patriots!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Congrats to the Giants. Tough way to lose for 49er fans but that is what makes this sports thing interesting. Both wins were weird really. haha
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Lucky, lucky Pats.

    On the NFC side...

    A young 49er ball club will be very competitive in the upcoming years and should rule the NFC west for years to come.

    Your teams' future is very bright Tim.

    I told my uncle that the 49er punt returner would make another mistake because he would be trying to make up for that earlier muff.


    Beantown verses NY in a Super Bowl rematch.

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  • Profile picture of the author parsons130
    I underestimated how good the 49ers were... more importantly that they could score the ball. Never thought they would beat the Saints.

    Somewhat disappointed in a Super Bowl rematch, but I think it should be a great game. I wonder if the Giants will bring back David Tyree? haha
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    • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
      Originally Posted by parsons130 View Post

      I underestimated how good the 49ers were.
      As a Giants fan, I didn't underestimate how good the 49er's are. I do, however, think many 49er's fans underestimated how good the Giants are. And while I thought that we could beat them, I expected a war. And that's exactly what that game was - a close hard-fought war that came down to turnovers. Make no mistake, the 49er's are the real deal - especially that defense.

      But then again, so are the Giants!

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  • Profile picture of the author sgoerger
    Great Superbowl matchup, looking forward to it. A buddy and I got together to look at the playoff bracket back at the beginning of January and we called Giants vs. Patriots for the Superbowl, so I'm excited to see it come true! Sweet!
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    • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
      Originally Posted by sgoerger View Post

      A buddy and I got together to look at the playoff bracket back at the beginning of January and we called Giants vs. Patriots for the Superbowl.
      With that kind of luck, you and your buddy should form a lottery pool.

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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Literally tossed a coin on this one. One of the closest Bowls in 30 years (according to odds makers)

    Three out of three came up Giants.

    NY Giants...the quarter has spoken....lol
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post

      Literally tossed a coin on this one. One of the closest Bowls in 30 years (according to odds makers)

      Three out of three came up Giants.

      NY Giants...the quarter has spoken....lol
      OK...I'll take the other side of the coin and take the Pats.

      I hate picking this game for two reasons:

      1. It really is a toss up.

      2. NYC and Boston are the two most annoying sports towns in the country. I don't want to root for a team from either city.

      Although I do like Eli in a howdy-doody kind of way....

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      • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        OK...I'll take the other side of the coin and take the Pats.

        I hate picking this game for two reasons:

        1. It really is a toss up.

        2. NYC and Boston are the two most annoying sports towns in the country. I don't want to root for a team from either city.

        Although I do like Eli in a howdy-doody kind of way....
        Well Kurt I mostly agree with 1 and 2...lol

        I do like the, come from down, struggling underdog story with the Giants this season.

        But the truth is I flipped that coin after 2 out of 3 had already been won...it was Giants.

        How many times, I have ever flipped a coin, and had it come out the same, (3 out of 3) I have no idea...but it isn't much.

        It got into Ouji board stuff...I was going to keep going till New England won...2 out of 3 out of 2 out of 3...etc...but that stopped me in my tracks....


        Should be one of the better Bowls in a while, a lot of years the play offs have been better.

        I'm going to a bbq to watch it...so I may not even know until tomorrow...:p
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        • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
          Let's Go Pats!!!

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            • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
              Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

              Vegas also has the Pats winning, and Vegas has been right about the winner of a Super Bowl 91% of the time....Just sayin'.

              Go Pats!!!
              Yeah, but they've been wrong 100% of the times they played the Giants in the Superbowl... just sayin

              Go G-Men!
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              • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
                Eli and Tom Coughlin definitely have the Patriots number. We beat you in the Super Bowl when you had two weeks to prepare for us. We went into YOUR HOUSE in November without four of our starters on offense, and beat you again when you wanted REVENGE and wanted to destroy the Giants.

                Until the Patriots prove they can actually beat the Giants, all this talking that Patriots fans are doing is just nonsense! Don't just talk about beating the Giants...do it. Then you can talk.

                Otherwise, you just sound foolish.

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            • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
              Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post


              Vegas also has the Pats winning, and Vegas has been right about the winner of a Super Bowl 91% of the time....Just sayin'.

              Go Pats!!!
              Kind of funny...anywhere between 2 to 3 points, doesn't scream overwhelming confidence to me...lol
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    G-Men 27-24

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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Congrats to the Giants and their fans. Eli is making a case that he's the best QB in the family.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Congrats to the Giants and their fans. Eli is making a case that he's the best QB in the family.
      Thank you, Kurt.

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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Congrats to the Giants and their fans. Eli is making a case that he's the best QB in the family.
      Is it safe to call him an elite QB yet?
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        What a catch, what a game, what a season.

        I never saw this one coming.

        Thank you Giants. You were the perfect end to a perfect day.
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      • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
        Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

        Is it safe to call him an elite QB yet?
        Anyone who doesn't think Eli is a great quarterback is just plain ignorant.

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        • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
          Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

          Anyone who doesn't think Eli is a great quarterback is just plain ignorant.

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          Well, frankly, they can keep the "elite" title. We'll keep the Lombardi trophies

          What a game and season. My heart rate is finally slowing down.
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            Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

            Well, frankly, they can keep the "elite" title. We'll keep the Lombardi trophies

            What a game and season. My heart rate is finally slowing down.
            I thought I was going to have a stroke.
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          Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

          Anyone who doesn't think Eli is a great quarterback is just plain ignorant.

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          Amen to that...
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    A barnburner down to the last play!

    Congrats G-People.


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    Let see... hummm... Ok... Giant by 4... wish me luck

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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    Of all the teams in the National Football League... the New York Football Giants have the secret to shutting down the Patriots.

    You better believe that just about EVERY team that is looking to face this Pats scheme next year will be looking at the Giants to see their method to the madness.

    Congrats G-men. Party hardy and look forward to a brutal off-season planning to defend your title!
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    The NFC East strikes again.

    They lead all NFL divisions with 12 Super Bowl titles.

    Cowboys 5/Giants 4/ Skins 3

    Followed by...

    - AFC North: 7 - Steelers 6/Ravens 1

    - AFC East: 7 - Pats 3/Dolphins 2/Jets 1/Colts 1

    - AFC West: 6 - Raiders 3/Broncos 2/Chiefs 1

    - NFC West: 6 - 49ers 5/ Rams 1

    - NFC North: 5 - Packers 4/ Bears 1

    - NFC South: 2 - Bucs & Saints

    - AFC South: 1 - Colts

    All The Best!!

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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Congratulations to all Giant fans..you pulled it off...

    'Against all odds', comes to mind.

    Actually, I loved every minute of it...wouldn't have thought it or bet it, even mid season.

    But then again, it's what makes it great.

    Just going to make the Jones worse for waiting for next year...lol...
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    Tom Brady's Wife, Gisele Bundchen, Curses After Patriots Fall To Giants In Super Bowl (VIDEO, PHOTOS)

    Quote: "My husband can not f**** throw the ball and catch the ball at the same time."


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      This is ALL about the Giants. This is their time...No one cares about what the Jets did 50 years ago.

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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post

        This is ALL about the Giants. This is their time...No one cares about what the Jets did 50 yeras ago.

        David Jackson

        Don't be too sure of that.

        Alright killer. (LOL)

        Since your team won the Super Bowl I guess you get to talk as much crap as you want.

        I'm probably guilty of the same when my Lakers ruled the NBA.

        The football Gods were definitely with the Giants yesterday.

        And...

        I'm sure the G-Men won't repeat so do enjoy it while it lasts.

        All The Best!!

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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

          Don't be too sure of that.

          Alright killer. (LOL)

          Since your team won the Super Bowl I guess you get to talk as much crap as you want.

          I'm probably guilty of the same when my Lakers ruled the NBA.

          The football Gods were definitely with the Giants yesterday.

          And...

          I'm sure the G-Men won't repeat so do enjoy it while it lasts.

          All The Best!!

          TL
          In the history of the Super Bowl, only 7 teams have won in back to back
          years (a couple doing it more than once) and none have done it since Pats
          2004-2005, so I think it's a safe bet to say that the Giants probably won't
          repeat since it is such an uncommon occurrence.
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          • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            In the history of the Super Bowl, only 7 teams have won in back to back
            years (a couple doing it more than once) and none have done it since Pats
            2004-2005, so I think it's a safe bet to say that the Giants probably won't
            repeat since it is such an uncommon occurrence.

            If I were a Giants fan I would bring you up on charges to be excommunicated from the family for being a fair weather fan for your doubting the team when all they had to do was win the last two games of the season to get into the playoffs.

            Unless you promised to never do that again.

            I remember.

            Congrats!

            All The Best!!

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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

              If I were a Giants fan I would bring you up on charges to be excommunicated from the family for being a fair weather fan for your doubting the team when all they had to do was win the last two games of the season to get into the playoffs.

              Unless you promised to never do that again.

              I remember.

              Congrats!

              All The Best!!

              TL
              I'm just being realistic about this. When people say, "Oh well they won't
              repeat" that's not really saying a lot considering how tough it is TO repeat.

              That is the reason for my post.

              It's like saying, "Oh, you'll never convert a 7-10 split in bowling ever again."

              That I may have done it ONE time is nothing short of amazing.
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              • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                I'm just being realistic about this. When people say, "Oh well they won't
                repeat" that's not really saying a lot considering how tough it is TO repeat.

                That is the reason for my post.

                It's like saying, "Oh, you'll never convert a 7-10 split in bowling ever again."

                That I may have done it ONE time is nothing short of amazing.
                I hear ya Steve but...

                I was talking about you doubting your team when there was 2 games to go and you were still in the hunt.

                Will you promise to never doubt your team again when there's plenty of room for hope?

                If you do, I promise to keep our little secret.


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            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            In the history of the Super Bowl, only 7 teams have won in back to back
            years (a couple doing it more than once) and none have done it since Pats
            2004-2005, so I think it's a safe bet to say that the Giants probably won't
            repeat since it is such an uncommon occurrence.
            I would bet my life they won't repeat.

            They'll be lucky to make the playoffs next year.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
              Originally Posted by KingKuba View Post

              I would bet my life they won't repeat.

              They'll be lucky to make the playoffs next year.
              Must be a Pats fan...

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            • Profile picture of the author David Jackson
              Originally Posted by KingKuba View Post

              I would bet my life they won't repeat.
              I hope you do bet against us, that's when we're at our very best. Everyone bet against us in 2008, and we shocked the world. This year everyone said no team beats Brady and Belichick twice in the same year - the Patriots were going to get their revenge against the Giants. We proved the naysayers wrong again.

              Like I said, we at least have the opportunity to repeat. That's something 31 other teams don't have. We are the champions until someone beats us in the playoffs.

              With our proven track record in big games, and the greatest clutch quarterback in the league, I like our chances against anyone. When we won the Super Bowl 4 years ago, the next season we started out 11-1. We were clearly the best team in the league and had a great chance to repeat until Plaxico shot himself.

              Psychologically, we never recovered from that.

              Now we have another chance to repeat. I fully expect us to take advantage of our opportunity this time around - although it won't be easy. Trying to repeat as Super Bowl champions is a monumental task. That's why it happens so rarely. But I feel good about our chances knowing one thing about the Giants...

              ...We are the most mentally tough team in the league...Bar none.

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          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

          I'm sure the G-Men won't repeat so do enjoy it while it lasts.
          Whether or not the Giants repeat remains to be seen and is not even worth debating at this point. But at least we have the "opportunity" to repeat, which is something 31 other teams don't have.

          In the meantime, I'm going to enjoy this sweet victory until the new season starts.

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  • Profile picture of the author trcapro
    The Super Bowl worked out as it should have.

    Bottom line, the AFC was a far inferior league this year. And the Pat's (who are usually always over-rated) come out of one of the worst divisions in football. The worst being the NFC West. Either the AFC West or East would be the next worst. And in all reality, the Pats where lucky to get by Baltimore.

    The Giants went through some of the best of the best to get to the big game and had already proven themselves. So in the end, it was pretty much a no brainier.

    I also heard one of the funniest comments one of the fans shouted to a very perturbed Gisele after the game - "Eli owns your man" lol.
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    Hoping for Flyers ! (maybe.... maybe)
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