I have a weird feeling!

E. Brian Rose

13 years ago

It's probably just gas. Take an Alkaseltzer.

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J Cohen 13 years ago

Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose

It's probably just gas. Take an Alkaseltzer.

ROFL the best reply to a thread I have seen today

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lilc800

13 years ago

Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose

It's probably just gas. Take an Alkaseltzer.

Haha, Funny

Well I am mostly likely not as old as you are so I don't need any help with my gas..

But Anyway other people can you stay on topic thanks

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CDarklock

13 years ago

Originally Posted by lilc800

Anyway other people can you stay on topic thanks

He was.

Your "feeling" doesn't mean squat.

Have you ever noticed that all the people whose gut feelings actually MEAN something are, like... old?

Gut feelings are your brain noticing a pattern it recognises, but you're too dumb to consciously articulate what that pattern is.

You're what, 15?

Your gut feelings don't mean diddly.

First of all, you simply don't have the experience to recognise any meaningful pattern.

Second, you are - for the same reason - too dumb to articulate much of any pattern, meaningful or otherwise.

Sorry, but it's true.

I mean, look at how you know you didn't make the charge on iTunes: because your iPod is jailbroken.

Most people know they didn't do something because they didn't do it.

Now, you do know you didn't do it. But you somehow can't articulate that you never buy anything off of iTunes, for whatever reason. Instead, you articulate that it doesn't make any sense for you to buy off of iTunes.

Because, you know, 15 year olds don't ever do things that don't make any sense.

Don't get me wrong. You're perfectly capable of making money online, starting your own business, being successful, even making millions of dollars.

But it's not going to be on a gut feeling. It's going to be on the basis of established methods and principles that have been known to work for over a century. You may put a new twist on it, or do it in a new venue, but business is business and "buy low, sell high" has been well-known for over six millennia.

You have every opportunity to make something of yourself, even at your age. I myself started my own company at 16, over 25 years ago. I know people in this very forum who started theirs at 15, and make a whole hell of a lot more money than I do.

The key is to understand that things do not just happen. You have to make them happen.

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Greg guitar

13 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

He was.

Your "feeling" doesn't mean squat.

Have you ever noticed that all the people whose gut feelings actually MEAN something are, like... old?

Gut feelings are your brain noticing a pattern it recognises, but you're too dumb to consciously articulate what that pattern is.

You're what, 15?

Your gut feelings don't mean diddly.

First of all, you simply don't have the experience to recognise any meaningful pattern.

Second, you are - for the same reason - too dumb to articulate much of any pattern, meaningful or otherwise.

Sorry, but it's true.

I mean, look at how you know you didn't make the charge on iTunes: because your iPod is jailbroken.

Most people know they didn't do something because they didn't do it.

Now, you do know you didn't do it. But you somehow can't articulate that you never buy anything off of iTunes, for whatever reason. Instead, you articulate that it doesn't make any sense for you to buy off of iTunes.

Because, you know, 15 year olds don't ever do things that don't make any sense.

Don't get me wrong. You're perfectly capable of making money online, starting your own business, being successful, even making millions of dollars.

But it's not going to be on a gut feeling. It's going to be on the basis of established methods and principles that have been known to work for over a century. You may put a new twist on it, or do it in a new venue, but business is business and "buy low, sell high" has been well-known for over six millennia.

You have every opportunity to make something of yourself, even at your age. I myself started my own company at 16, over 25 years ago. I know people in this very forum who started theirs at 15, and make a whole hell of a lot more money than I do.

The key is to understand that things do not just happen. You have to make them happen.

You make some good points here, but then I think, intentionally ruined the post-I don't put much stock in the feeling either, and agree that a lot of intuition or "gut" is based on experience and pattern recognition, but why do you feel the need to call the op "dumb"? What is it about kids that just makes it irresistible for some adults to take cheap shots at them? Not cool, and a violation of Forum rules.

Instead you could have been more accurate, by saying only what you really meant, that the kid is young and inexperienced, which as a professional wordsmith, you well know would have had a vastly different, and more positive effect.

You're not dumb, and are a professional wordsmith, so obviously you knew calling the op "dumb" would be inflamatory, publicly humiliating, and make it almost impossible that your words would sink in, rather than inspire resistance. Saying "sorry but it's true" doesn't change the fact that it's an insult to call anyone "dumb", as you know, unless I give you too much credit for being smart yourself.

The kid might be smarter than both of us put together but naive. Naive is what the kid is; not the same as "dumb". "Stupid" is much closer to a synonym for "dumb", as you are no doubt also aware.

Since you know what you're doing, you almost certainly did if for effect, which means you're motivated here more by vanity, or some personal issue that makes you want to insult someone, than a desire to get through to the kid, because you have to know that piling on yet another insult isn't going to help. Not exactly your finest hour, and I still side with the kid, who at least deserves respect, not to be called "dumb" just by virtue of the tender young age. Kids are naive, not dumb. Can we lay off now?

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onSubie 13 years ago

Originally Posted by lilc800

Haha, Funny

Well I am mostly likely not as old as you are so I don't need any help with my gas..

But Anyway other people can you stay on topic thanks

"Young men think old men are fools, but old men know young men are fools"

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JSThompson 13 years ago

Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose

It's probably just gas. Take an Alkaseltzer.

Lol EBR you beat me to it. I had the same intial thought when I read the title of the post.

Anyway back to the op. I would call that a Gut feeling. If you have been thinking about launching something it might be time to bring it to fruition.

*Disclaimer* I am not responsible for any loss you have due to my advice. However if you are successful don't forget I talked you into doing it.
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hardraysnight 13 years ago

Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose

It's probably just gas. Take an Alkaseltzer.

Beware "Jumping Jack Flash, no gas, no gas, no gas.'
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PatrickP

13 years ago

lol

You said You know how most Rich people go through that really hard time right before they Start being successful?.

No I don't know what you are talking about.

Maybe like when a gambler gets a feeling so they go all in and end up losing ALL their money?

Stick to doing IM day in and day out never missing a day and in the long run you can be successful.

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lilc800

13 years ago

Originally Posted by PatrickP

lol

You said You know how most Rich people go through that really hard time right before they Start being successful?.

No I don't know what you are talking about.

Maybe like when a gambler gets a feeling so they go all in and end up losing ALL their money?

Stick to doing IM day in and day out never missing a day and in the long run you can be successful.

You must don't know much about Rich people then..

A little bit before Tyler Perry became famous he became homeless.. and many others had issues before they hit it big..

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mojojuju

13 years ago

Originally Posted by lilc800

You must don't know much about Rich people then..

A little bit before Tyler Perry became famous he became homeless.. and many others had issues before they hit it big..

I can see where you're going with this... I'm going to start living on the street starting tomorrow. Goodbye Showers! Hello $$$$$!

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Dennis Gaskill

13 years ago

Originally Posted by lilc800

You must don't know much about Rich people then..

A little bit before Tyler Perry became famous he became homeless.. and many others had issues before they hit it big..

For every Tyler Perry that goes from being homeless to being famous there are hundreds, if not thousands, who never make it. You cite an exceptional case, but if you want exceptional results, you have become exceptional. That doesn't happen by accident.

I don't mean to discourage you, you could become exceptional, it is possible . . . but you'll need to build a solid foundation of knowledge and experience under your house of dreams, and that doesn't happen by accident either.

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Greg guitar

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

For every Tyler Perry that goes from being homeless to being famous there are hundreds, if not thousands, who never make it. You cite an exceptional case, but if you want exceptional results, you have become exceptional. That doesn't happen by accident.

I don't mean to discourage you, you could become exceptional, it is possible . . . but you'll need to build a solid foundation of knowledge and experience under your house of dreams, and that doesn't happen by accident either.

All true enough, but how many 12 year olds are trying to start their own online business, and how many 14 year olds are in here asking questions? That bodes well for the op being or becoming exceptional-the journey has already begun.

I think the fact that the kid found the WF and is seeking guidance here also means that s/he most likely already understands that the dream won't happen by chance, or without building a foundation of knowledge or experience. Experience is what s/he already is gaining with the two years of trying things online, and knowledge is what they will get if they stick around in spite of all the cheap shots (I don't mean your post, which seems well intended, as usual).

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Dennis Gaskill

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Greg guitar

All true enough, but how many 12 year olds are trying to start their own online business, and how many 14 year olds are in here asking questions? That bodes well for the op being or becoming exceptional-the journey has already begun.

I think the fact that the kid found the WF and is seeking guidance here also means that s/he most likely already understands that the dream won't happen by chance, or without building a foundation of knowledge or experience. Experience is what s/he already is gaining with the two years of trying things online, and knowledge is what they will get if they stick around in spite of all the cheap shots (I don't mean your post, which seems well intended, as usual).

I hope you're right, Greg, but he sounds quite like another young man I know who wishes big but lacks the understanding of what it takes to create the results he wants. This other young man does expect dreams to happen because they have been dreamed and "feel" right.

Anyway, if the lesson was unneeded, no harm done. If it was needed, it's there for the taking.

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PatrickP

13 years ago

ah ok I got you!

I think I was stuck on the title of this thread that said a weird feeling.

Oh yes for sure you go through tough times often before becoming rich.

BUT that is followed by some MAJORLY hard and long work hours.

May I ask you a question?

How many hours do you work per week to accomplish this goal you seem to have of becoming rich?

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lilc800

13 years ago

Originally Posted by PatrickP

ah ok I got you!

I think I was stuck on the title of this thread that said a weird feeling.

Oh yes for sure you go through tough times often before becoming rich.

BUT that is followed by some MAJORLY hard and long work hours.

May I ask you a question?

How many hours do you work per week to accomplish this goal you seem to have of becoming rich?

Well I am in high school (Freshmen) so I don't have too much time and since this whole thing with the lack of money I haven't been able to do much.. I don't know if I should keep doing IM or start my own online business or website to make money..

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manicmethods

13 years ago

So that's what I've been doing wrong in the IM world. Spend lots of money on crap. Indulge in clothing and other luxuries. And then my Paypal account will be inundated with money.

As others have said, the only thing that gets your earning money is hard bloody work.

People think IM is easy: Own hours. Own boss. Work from home. But in the beginning, you're working 18hrs a day (or more), earning less than minimum wage (if you're lucky), and find yourself short tempered with people you know.

Work work work!

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Cali16 13 years ago

You're seriously comparing your situation to Tyler Perry's homelessness before he hit it big? If you've got money to spend on clothes and WSOs, and the "unthinkable" in your eyes is an erroneous charge from iTunes (for a few dollars, I'm guessing), I would hardly consider that "going through a hard time"... :rolleyes:
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manicmethods

13 years ago

So you're going to get rich without even having starting anything? Now I'm totally confused?

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PatrickP

13 years ago

BULLCRAP!

You are looking for excuses. You do NOT need money to make money. YOu can get or create a job for yourself.

TRUE story at the age of 7 I BEGGED my mother until she agreed to take me door to door to sell Christmas cards. By 10 I was working on farms digging potatoes in the fall after school. I had a lawn business at 11. Talk to your teachers ask if you can help THEM after school for $5 an hour. WHO cares if it is less than minimum wage. It is a TON more than you make when you sit and play video games.

This is NOT about me it is just showing all the things you can do IF you want to.

NONE of that takes money. Got get a JOB, go to your neighbors and ask if you can clean their house, mow their lawn, walk their dog etc for $5 an hour. In a few months you can have a thousand bucks that is WAY WAY WAY more money than you need to start an online business.

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lilc800

13 years ago

Originally Posted by PatrickP

BULLCRAP!

You are looking for excuses. You do NOT need money to make money. YOu can get or create a job for yourself.

TRUE story at the age of 7 I BEGGED my mother until she agreed to take me door to door to sell Christmas cards. By 10 I was working on farms digging potatoes in the fall after school. I had a lawn business at 11. Talk to your teachers ask if you can help THEM after school for $5 an hour. WHO cares if it is less than minimum wage. It is a TON more than you make when you sit and play video games.

This is NOT about me it is just showing all the things you can do IF you want to.

NONE of that takes money. Got get a JOB, go to your neighbors and ask if you can clean their house, mow their lawn, walk their dog etc for $5 an hour. In a few months you can have a thousand bucks that is WAY WAY WAY more money than you need to start an online business.

I get your point... But I don't exactly have time for those things I play sports We have practice everyday for up to 3 hours per day and plus homework when I get home..

Now if I could find little jobs to do online then that is something I might could do..

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So you're going to get rich without even having starting anything? Now I'm totally confused?

I have Started things actually and they all failed I have been trying this since I was like 12 I am 14 now

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Steve B 13 years ago

Lilc800:

"even though I am lacking money I am thinking like a rich Man or something"

The reason this thread is going in the direction that it is ... is this:

Thinking, hoping, waiting, feeling like something good is about to happen ... is simply ... dreaming.

It's the classic "get rich quick without effort" lure of lotteries, gambling, pro athlete wannabes, and aspiring movie stars.

What the true and successful entrepreneurs on this forum are telling you to do is get to work and make your dreams come true by following the real path to riches ... planning, focus, hard word, persistence, and a "never say die" attitude.

Weird feelings are best handled with Pepto Bismol.

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PatrickP

13 years ago

Originally Posted by lilc800

I get your point... But I don't exactly have time for those things I play sports We have practice everyday for up to 3 hours per day and plus homework when I get home..

Now if I could find little jobs to do online then that is something I might could do..

I have Started things actually and they all failed I have been trying this since I was like 12 I am 14 now

I played sports with long practices all 3 seasons and had homework as well. You CAN find the time I promise you, that you can.

OR here I have a good one I made a good bit of money doing and it can be started for a couple hundred bucks. You buy wheat pennies on Ebay say 10,000 or 20,000 at a time. Then you resell them in lots of 1000. Yes I know seems to simple but it does work.

No you wont get rich but you can make a few hundred dollars doing this. Couple keys to this, get a bot to bid on the auctions for you so it bids at the VERY last second. Also do your research and make sure how much you can sell 1000 wheat pennies for. Put up a TON of good quality photos in your auction and offer an incentive such as a free mercury head dime or a walking liberty quarter if they auction goes over a certain amount of money.

Then make SURE you send the order out the EXACT same day after the auction ends.

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manicmethods

13 years ago

Originally Posted by lilc800

I get your point... But I don't exactly have time for those things I play sports We have practice everyday for up to 3 hours per day and plus homework when I get home..

Now if I could find little jobs to do online then that is something I might could do..

I have Started things actually and they all failed I have been trying this since I was like 12 I am 14 now

Just so you know, I started when I was 12 and didn't make money online until I was 16. I know... A LONG time but I learnt a lot in that time.

Secondly, there's a fair bit you can actually do online in your own time. Speak good English? Then do some article writing. There are sites such as Freelancer.com and Odesk.com where you can bid on writing jobs. You tend to get paid $5/500 word article. So you can do as many or as few as you want a day/week.

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Bama Blogger

13 years ago

Originally Posted by lilc800

I get your point... But I don't exactly have time for those things I play sports We have practice everyday for up to 3 hours per day and plus homework when I get home..

Now if I could find little jobs to do online then that is something I might could do..

I have Started things actually and they all failed I have been trying this since I was like 12 I am 14 now

Ever visited fiverr.com ? you say you'd like to do little things for $. That's a great way to start. Costs nothing to advertise and you can make $ for just about anything.

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james8888

13 years ago

Only good things can come from feelings like that. Continue feeling like that and thinking like that ad you will make that feeling a reality... sorry, forgot to mention one other little thing you have to do as well.. work you arse off!

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sbucciarel

Banned 13 years ago

You might have more than a weird feeling. You might be a victim of itune charge fraud.

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Charlotte Jay

13 years ago

Oh to be young!! The internet didn't exist when I was 14, we HAD to get jobs to make any money, and we did it all around our extracurricular activities and homework. So yes, you do have time for it. If I wanted something I went and worked for it whatever it took.

Sure you can do odd jobs online, but I think the hard part of getting paid is the fact you are 14. Most methods of payment as I recall require you to be at least 18. Someone else may know more than me on that.

I think the point I'm trying to drive across here is to go out and get some real world experience before you try and earn anything online. My brick and mortar experiences and skills make my internet marketing business run smoother with the knowledge that I have. Don't rely on just one income stream.

Lastly, if you REALLY want to hit it big, take some time to read some mindset books such as Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill. You can find it at the library, you know in the real world

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Jon Patrick 13 years ago

OP, the most important thing you can do is take action and start doing something. Feeling like you are in the right mindset is great, but the only things that will count when you look back a couple of months from now is what you have actually done. There are plenty of routes to choose from, but they will all require you to put in some time.
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winseosoft

13 years ago

I had a same feeling before beginning to take IM seriously...
So you shouldn't think that a bag of cash will crush on you car and you worries will be over..
You should constantly try to build , stick to what you begun then test it , scale it , work then make money...
Stop dreaming and take action.

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Greg guitar

13 years ago

Rant warning-I feel it coming on, and it's going to be a fatty.

I just have to say something after reading the glaringly negative, admonishing tone of too many of the responses here. This kid is doing great and probably doesn't need the premature judgements of a bunch of adults who don't know her/him (not sure what gender lilc800 indicates).

Why all the sarcasm, negativity and competition in the replies? You're talking to a nice kid that started with a friendly, positive post, and is still being friendly in spite of the scolding, sarcasm, and competitive nonsense in the replies.

If it were me, I'd be a little less kind in my responses. I'd be ticked off at the disrespectful attitude of adults who think they have the right to scold me without knowing me (I don't mean EBR-his response was hilarious!

). The op is not only still friendly in spite of the uncalled for scoldings, but even has a positive perspective still after trying without success for 2 years.

The thread could easily have been yet another whining, "I give up-everything I've tried has failed", type thread, but this kid's attitude is more mature than all the adults who've posted in that manner. Respect is in order.

Why not ask a few questions before jumping in with the "work harder-you're looking for excuses-you're full of bullsh**-you could find the time if you were more like me-you've got it easy" type of snarky advice?

To do otherwise is disrespectful, and at best you're guessing as to the efficacy of the advice you give. At worst, the poor kid will take it to heart and become a miserable, overworked adult before her/his time.

If there were ever a classic example of the superiority of asking good questions to jumping in with premature, judgmental advice based on too many assumptions and too little knowledge, this thread is it.

And what advice it is: about how the kid needs to stop dreaming and work even harder, take a $5 an hour job after school (concurrent with doing 3 hour sports practice sessions-not sure how that works), expect to have to work 18 hour days as a prerequisite to success, etc.

BTW, unless you are just having a blast doing it, there is no reason you ever need to sit in front of your computer for 18 hour workdays-that is the opposite of working smarter-not harder, and isn't even healthy. Ever heard of automation and outsourcing? I would take anyone's word that they did that with a grain of salt anyway-the 18 hours probably was far from all work, and if it was work, most likely they were driven by the love of it-definitely not necessity.

I say let the young be young, they have a long time to be adults, and this person has maybe 4 years ahead before facing a lifetime of paying bills, and is doing well by preparing for success now, even if s/he has yet to make a dime online, and has to deal with little cash and little time to get started (no reason to disbelieve either, and, while not insurmountable, they qualify as difficulties to be overcome, not "excuses" to be ridiculed).

S/he's in the right place and has a good attitude, so will probably be way ahead of most of the adults here by the time s/he is one, without taking the spectacularly uninformed, and misguided advice to work longer hours than s/he's comfortable with while still in school.

Too many kids are already in a rush to grow up; it's up to adults to espouse the wisdom in letting it occur in it's own time, not to push them harder without knowing what we're talking about: their life. Just because someone is young doesn't mean you know what's right for them by virtue of your advanced age.

Aren't (some of) you even a little interested in what this kid's life is like, what kinds of worries they have, how many classes, and how difficult school is for them, whether they date, what their social life is like, what their academic goals are, how much work they have to do for family, etc, before wanting to tell them they are full of crap with their so called "excuse" of little time, or that they need to stop dreaming and just take more action?

If you had a clue about today's kids, you'd know that many of them are stressed out completely, due to having their schedules crammed with too much structured activity, and not enough time for just being a kid.

You'd best at least consider that they might be exactly right when they say they have little time, instead of calling bullsh** just because you were a shining example of a super-achieving child with an adult work ethic-bully for you, but it ain't right for everyone. The op still wants to pursue online business in the little time s/he claims s/he does have. Who are any of you to disbelieve it?

Any kid who goes to school, and takes the initiative to go out for sports, AND to start a business on the side is obviously a hard worker who doesn't need to be told that s/he's "looking for excuses" when claiming little time and little money, which are probably both very true. If the kid was looking for an excuse, why even bother with the WF? S/he would just go away and forget the dream.

It used to be commonly assumed that kids having a job or business was always a good thing, preparing them for the world and all, but studies have contradicted that assumption for the majority.

Some kids do quite well with early jobs and/or entrepreneurial pursuits, but most are better off without it, and should never be pressured into it unless family survival is at stake, so give the kid a break! Let's not contribute to yet another kid developing stress related disorders by disrespecting his/her word that a little time is all s/he's got to give right now.

The fact is, the majority of kids are happier, get a better education and are better prepared for adulthood if they simply stick to being kids, going to school, hanging out with friends, playing, etc, rather than being pushed into working a job or business on the side.

Dreaming is good-especially for the young-so quit telling them to stop dreaming and "take action". The only actions they should have to take while still in school are those associated with growing up. If they want to have a business, great, but let them go at their own pace-not yours.

This all seems so beyond obvious to me that it really annoys me (if you couldn't tell) to have to say it, but imo it needs saying-let the kid be a kid for crying out loud. S/he's obviously mature beyond his/her years, and I am pretty sure knows far better than any of you former child superstars what is best for him/her.

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Mr Bill 13 years ago

Thanks Greg. That was needed.

Originally Posted by Zig Ziglar

An optimist is a person who will use his last dollar to buy a money belt.

You're going to be huge. Keep a sharp eye out for the next opportunity which is just around the corner and don't worry so much about what you don't have right now. It will all come to you soon enough. I wish I was even mildly analytical when I was 15.
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Mr Bill

13 years ago

Originally Posted by albertosm

if you become successful let us know, until then, it's still and will remain a gut feeling

Very encouraging and insightful post. I'm sure that will help a lot.

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mongsky

13 years ago

Originally Posted by albertosm

if you become successful let us know, until then, it's still and will remain a gut feeling

way to go,
very uplifting
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philipf

13 years ago

you should do something about it
nothing will happen if you just wait
if you have a feeling about something,
do something about it, capitalize on it.

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David Maschke

13 years ago

Hey lilc800,

That's a very strange name

Don't let the negative attitude around here bring you down.

It's funny how the dumb asses in here are trying to sell the dream, AND spend a lot of their time in here trying to kill the dreams of potential prospects.

If you're feeling motivated or inspired, hold onto it. If you lose it, keep going anyway.

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HeySal

13 years ago

Don't be worried about lilc800 being upset about people ragging a little here - s/he's 15 freaking years old. Everyone rags on 15 year olds - the dude (dudette?) is used to it -- and polite because he's so used to it he didn't even notice.

People are bringing up good points in here, even if they sound like they are being rude or negative. Nobody is out to hurt him.

And as far as listening goes, lilc800 - you need to go back up and check out what Suzanne (Subcurrial) said about that scam. Make sure that's not what's going on -- then ya need to get to work. If good things are gonna happen you have hella work to do.

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Greg guitar

13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Don't be worried about lilc800 being upset about people ragging a little here - s/he's 15 freaking years old. Everyone rags on 15 year olds - the dude (dudette?) is used to it -- and polite because he's so used to it he didn't even notice.

People are bringing up good points in here, even if they sound like they are being rude or negative. Nobody is out to hurt him.

And as far as listening goes, lilc800 - you need to go back up and check out what Suzanne (Subcurrial) said about that scam. Make sure that's not what's going on -- then ya need to get to work. If good things are gonna happen you have hella work to do.

Oh well that's a relief. Let me see if I've got this right: it's okay to dump on kids because everyone does it-so much that the little buggers don't even notice. (A lesson from Mom comes to mind-""everyone does it" is no excuse")

I guess you totally forgot what being a kid is, because they definitely notice when they are being slighted, dismissed, insulted, and treated unfairly. They are young-not stupid and unfeeling, or calloused to the point of not noticing the cheap shots adults take at them.

Adults that assume silence means everything is cool, and the kids aren't noticing us being jerks to them, are hopelessly clueless. Believe me, this kid noticed how much shi* was being dished out, and there's a good chance the silence we're hearing now is the sound of "eff you a-wholes, I'm outta here", which is the safest, go-to response lots of kids fall back on when dealing with nasty adults.

I noticed how convenient it is for adults that our faults like being rude are easily dismissed (it's not real rudeness-just sounds that way, and it's okay because our intentions are good [which we know by assuming it] and we are giving good advice-like work longer hours than you're comfortable with, for $5 an hour...)

Not only are our faults turned into virtues, the kid's politeness (a virtue), is dismissed as a result of obliviousness to the rudeness. I'd be outta here too-the kid can't win around here.

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lisakynan

13 years ago

You go kid! I wish I was hanging out on the warrior forum instead of ummm . . bebo? lol when I was 14!! Keep working on your dreams and don't EVER let anyone tell you what you are doing is "dumb" or a "waste of time". I laugh at people like this, its like taking money advise from someone who struggles week to week haha. Sorry for ranting on, I was wanted to say what a bright future you are going to have! Keep working hard, but don't forget your "real" life too!

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garyv

13 years ago

I don't think people are trying to be purposely rude. But it becomes hard to swallow a hard luck story, when the worst of your hard luck is having to pay for something on iTunes. Especially when you announce to the world that the reason you shouldn't have to pay for it is because you've altered your iPod/iPhone to receive stolen apps without having to pay for them.

Now maybe if your hard luck story was something like - You couldn't afford to pay for dialysis, or you couldn't afford to pay for the funeral of the grandchild that died while in your care, or maybe even that you had to give away your only friend in the world (which happens to be a dog) so that you could fund a WSO to buy food with - then maybe you'd have an inkling of what the average hard luck story is in here.

Personally I think that the original post was a trolling post, and he's playing all of us (including me) like an old-fashioned Warrior Forum Fiddle.

Have fun kid, you should do well in the IM business.

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HeySal

13 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

I don't think people are trying to be purposely rude. But it becomes hard to swallow a hard luck story, when the worst of your hard luck is having to pay for something on iTunes. Especially when you announce to the world that the reason you shouldn't have to pay for it is because you've altered your iPod/iPhone to receive stolen apps without having to pay for them.

Now maybe if your hard luck story was something like - You couldn't afford to pay for dialysis, or you couldn't afford to pay for the funeral of the grandchild that died while in your care, or maybe even that you had to give away your only friend in the world (which happens to be a dog) so that you could fund a WSO to buy food with - then maybe you'd have an inkling of what the average hard luck story is in here.

Personally I think that the original post was a trolling post, and he's playing all of us (including me) like an old-fashioned Warrior Forum Fiddle.

Have fun kid, you should do well in the IM business.

Thanks for that bit of clarity, Gary. I know nothing about ipod or that whole system and did not realize what this kid was saying. You'd think it's a spam post if he's crying about his stealing not going well -- but I've seen that one too many times in this forum. If I had an ejector button - he'd be gone. So tired of people that think it's their right to steal. What a waste of oxygen.

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Greg guitar

13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Thanks for that bit of clarity, Gary. I know nothing about ipod or that whole system and did not realize what this kid was saying. You'd think it's a spam post if he's crying about his stealing not going well -- but I've seen that one too many times in this forum. If I had an ejector button - he'd be gone. So tired of people that think it's their right to steal. What a waste of oxygen.

Are you certain from your extensive research, that the op is a thief; enough to feel comfortable pronouncing the kid a "waste of oxygen"?

For that matter, do you really think it's fine to call kids who are caught stealing, a "waste of oxygen"? Ever heard of a "troubled child"? What should we do with them; take away their oxygen?

I must admit, I was as ignorant on the subject of Ipods, or I-anythings as you, but I bet I know more than you now, because I actually read something before shooting my mouth off, and I'm not even concerned with supporting the cynical opinion that anyone is a "waste of oxygen".

I Wiki'd it, and found many interesting nuances-and very little about illegal downloads. I know Wiki isn't the be-all, but it's better than reading one post. If I were going to call someone a "waste of oxygen", Wiki would definitely not be enough to support that. But then again, I'm never looking to say something that nasty about anyone, (well maybe corporate and war criminals) certainly not a 14 year old kid. If you want to actually learn something that might change your mind before spreading more sweetness, here's the page: iOS jailbreaking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you can't be bothered to go to Wiki, here are a couple of short quotes:

"This gives the user more control over the device and may enable features that were previously unavailable" (referring of course, to jailbreaking)

"Tim Wu, a professor at Columbia Law School, argued that jailbreaking is "legal, ethical, and just plain fun"

"In early 2010, Apple banned an app submitted by Pulitzer Prize-winning cartoonist, Mark Fiore, because it "ridiculed public figures,"

"More recently, Apple banned a pro-Palestinian app" (jailbreaking allows the user to install banned, and other 3rd party apps-some people think poorly of the Apple approval process, and want other options for various reasons). etc.

I may not be the brightest bulb, but there appears to be some doubt that having a jailbroken device proves you're a thief.

Even if it did mean that the kid was stealing apps, context is important before judging. The battle for hearts and minds regarding illegal downloads was already all but lost when today's 14 year olds were in elementary school. I think that's bad, but 14 year olds aren't the ones who created that climate, and aren't normally ready to morally challenge the prevalent attitudes of the adults and peers they spend the most time with. To call them a "waste of oxygen" is to ignore context and it's just a flat out ugly thing to say.

My guess is that your judgment would apply to most kids in the US, and a good many of the adults. Do you really expect 14 year olds to hold themselves to a higher standard than the adults around them? A standard that some of them may not have even heard anyone articulate?

You should save your outrage for the people who really deserve it-like corporate criminals, climate change deniers, or war mongers, not kids that may or may not be downloading songs or apps illegally.

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rootz91

13 years ago

that's why I never used weird online services like those...

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HazeBlazer

13 years ago

well whatever it is keep that mentality and soon enough.

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ephame

13 years ago

The fact you are starting IM so early is a great sign already, you can have those failures with minimal losses and risk i.e- living with parents etc...

I wish i had found WF 10years sooner than I did, read up learn the business and i'm sure you'll get there much sooner than most.

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marknel

13 years ago

Originally Posted by lilc800

Well,
You know how most Rich people go through that really hard time right before they Start being successful?.

Well I kinda feel like that I have spent money on WSO and Methods that didn't make me a dime and the Rest on stuff like clothes and what not but.. Recently I have a little money in my paypal and then the unthinkable happened! Itunes charged me for something I never bought and I know I didn't buy it cause my Ipod is Jailbroken..

But anyway Long story short I only have 0.35 cents in my paypal now and Something in me is feeling weird.. like even though I am lacking money I am thinking like a rich Man or something..

I have an odd feeling that something great is about to happen! Have you ever had this? if so what happened?

This is indeed an "old" feeling where there is unseen "blessing in disguise" when chips are down. More over this is where the test of character begins. And if you ask me when ever I have been pushed to the wall I have always come up trump fighting all odds although it might have taken little time.

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garyv

13 years ago

Slow down Greg... before you go off and do what you're accusing HeySal of doing, you should also consider that the phrase "waste of oxygen" could also very well mean that it's not worth talking about anymore. Talking takes oxygen - hence "waste of oxygen".

But anyway, if you know what "jailbreaking" is, then you know that a vast majority (probably higher than 90%) of the people jailbreaking their iPhone/iPod are doing so that they don't have to pay for the applications/Songs/Videos that iTunes is charging for.

And if you know at least that much, then you can go back to the original post, and see that he's complaining that he was charged for an app that is originally in the app store. Meaning that's the only legal way to obtain it. He obtained it w/ a jailbroken iPod, and now he's complaining because he thought he got away w/ stealing it.

It would be like someone going into Bestbuy, stealing some software, and then coming home to find Bestbuy has sent you a bill for it. - Yes it would be a bummer... but far from something you'd put out in public as a hard-luck story.

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Greg guitar

13 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

Slow down Greg... before you go off and do what you're accusing HeySal of doing, you should also consider that the phrase "waste of oxygen" could also very well mean that it's not worth talking about anymore. Talking takes oxygen - hence "waste of oxygen".

But anyway, if you know what "jailbreaking" is, then you know that a vast majority (probably higher than 90%) of the people jailbreaking their iPhone/iPod are doing so that they don't have to pay for the applications/Songs/Videos that iTunes is charging for.

And if you know at least that much, then you can go back to the original post, and see that he's complaining that he was charged for an app that is originally in the app store. Meaning that's the only legal way to obtain it. He obtained it w/ a jailbroken iPod, and now he's complaining because he thought he got away w/ stealing it.

It would be like someone going into Bestbuy, stealing some software, and then coming home to find Bestbuy has sent you a bill for it. - Yes it would be a bummer... but far from something you'd put out in public as a hard-luck story.

I'm not knowledgeable enough on the subject to convict if I were on the kid's jury. You might be assuming I know more than I do, so what is obvious to you is unclear to me.

What bothers me is that it seems like you're reading more into the op than what was stated. I did re-read it, and still could find no reference to actually having received or downloaded anything-just that he was charged, when he knows he couldn't have ordered, because I guess that isn't possible with a jailbroken device. So I don't see why you call it complaining that he didn't get away with stealing-he isn't saying that.

I'm not sure where your 90%+ is from either, since I doubt anyone has any accurate figures on how many jailbroken devices there are. Maybe you're right, but I like to know before I start pointing the finger, and there is doubt in my mind, as expected for someone just becoming familiar with the issue.

A lot of people fixated on the "hard luck" aspect, and got very critical because his luck seems not all that hard, but missed the point of the post, which may have been naive, but it wasn't about hard luck or complaining-it was positive.

The "hard luck" aspect (and he didn't call it that), was only to give context to the good feeling he has that his success is immanent, regardless of the naivete of that sentiment. The point is, he was posting about a positive feeling, and his hopes, not a complaint. It's amazing how many people here are expert fault finders.

If you are right about his illegal downloading, that still doesn't make it okay to call him a "waste of oxygen". Let Sal speak up if she wants to take the weasel clause you offered, but it seems much more likely the kid just got charged for something he never got, than that Sal meant typing when she said "waste of oxygen"; that's reaching, especially in light of the fact that the last time I ran into her in a thread she was telling a guy his girlfriend needs to find a "real man", basing that on assumptions about his relationship which she said came from "reading between the lines", and practically called the rest of us on the thread idiots, for not having her ability to reach the hasty conclusions she did from extrapolating on what wasn't said.

In other words, twice in a row of randomly running across Sal's posts, and finding them some of the most inflammatory ones I've seen in the WF, I'm pretty sure she meant a person when she said a "waste of oxygen".
In addition, her previous post was a rationalization for treating kids badly (because they are so used to it they won't even notice).

Overall, in the grand scheme of things, I imagine that how we treat kids is a much more important issue than protection of apps from kids who illegally download.

While it might not rise to the level of cyber-bullying, the scorn running through this thread is too close to it for me to want to shut up while the self-indulgent critics get their ya-yas by picking on a kid.

I did not call Sal a waste of anything, but specifically went after the crummy things she said-which I think is well within bounds, and seeing how she goes off on people, I think I exercised restraint.