Do You Believe in ESP

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Do you believe that people can pick up waves emanating from other people?




(You don't? So, how do you see and hear things if it isn't sound and light waves?)
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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    I knew you would post this Tbird.... @ 6:41
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

    Do you believe that people can pick up waves emanating from other people?
    Yes I do. It only took me a couple of trips as a Reno cab driver to learn that you should only take people TO the Chile Cook Off, and not pick them up at the Chile Cook Off...There's some serious "waves" emanating from people after they eat chile.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I knew Jim and Kurt would be the first two to answer this thread!
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
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  • Profile picture of the author cissy2415
    I do believe in esp, tbut then again I am very open minded about most things.
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  • Profile picture of the author albertosm
    i believe in that stuff but i haven't experienced it or witnessed it yet.
    looking forward to it
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I guess I'm a little better at this than you are, Jim. I not only knew Kurt would be around - I knew he would find a way to relate this to flatulence.

    Sure ESP is real. I wouldn't have thought there were people out there that still doubt that. Of course, there are still people who think the earth is flat, so..........
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

    Do you believe that people can pick up waves emanating from other people?

    ESP, extra sensory perception, doesn't necessarily have to be related to other people, does it?

    I was playing poker with some buddies once and had two kings in my hand a two down cards. I looked at the back of the two down cards and the king of clubs flashed in my mind. If that was there, I'd have three kings, a pretty darned good hand.

    I bet on my pair of kings and hoped for the third one. When the cards were flipped . . . the king of clubs was one of my down cards.

    I didn't pick up on the king through my fives normal senses, but somehow picked up on it. Wouldn't that be extra sensory as well?
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    That wouldn't be esp Dennis,though I can't think of the term for what it is atm.
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      It's hard to discuss extra sensory matters without an understanding of what senses we already have. The common misconception, prevalent since Aristotle first proposed it, is that humans have just five.

      However...

      Depending on how we define a sense, it's now thought that humans have somewhere between 9 and 21 senses. The actual number is debatable, especially if your definition includes subsets of another sense. Nevertheless, some of the obvious extra senses are:

      Equilibrioception: This is, basically, our sense of balance/equilibrium. Together with the rising cost of alcohol, it's what mostly stops us falling over while walking and standing.

      Proprioception: This is the sense that helps us be aware of the position of our own body parts. If you close your eyes and move your hand around, you'll know where it is without using any of the "five" senses. It also means you can eat in the dark (and sense where your mouth is).

      Thermoception: This is our sense of (relative) temperature. We're able to sense the warmth of a fire, for example, without actually touching it. If we describe the weather as "too hot", that's thermoception in action.

      Nociception: Our sense of pain. If you've ever listened to a Pat Boone record, you'll know that this sense is separate and distinct from our sense of touch.

      There are others, such as hunger, thirst, direction etc, that are subject to ongoing debate. But the one thing most physiologists agree on is that five is the wrong number. (Sorry, Aristotle. And fyi, there are more than four elements, too :p).

      Also, given that there are several senses we know animals have that humans don't (electroception - detecting electric fields; magnetoception - detecting magnetic fields; plus echolocation, infrared vision etc.), it's not unreasonable to suppose that some of us may still carry traces of senses employed by our distant ancestors that are dormant in the present day human.

      Hope all that makes sense.


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      • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
        Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

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        Also, given that there are several senses we know animals have that humans don't (electroception - detecting electric fields; magnetoception - detecting magnetic fields; plus echolocation, infrared vision etc.), it's not unreasonable to suppose that some of us may still carry traces of senses employed by our distant ancestors that are dormant in the present day human.

        Hope all that makes sense.


        Frank

        That must be common sense, and dormant is a nice way of putting it...:p


        Nice post Frank, as usual.

        Jim
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          You should already know what I really think about ESP.
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          • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
            Apparently a large chunk of our unused brain capacity is said to only exist for the purpose of clairvoyance since there's no other reason for it to exist and no way to prove otherwise from the demands of our everyday needs.

            Arguably this section of the brain is opened up with certain "mind altering drugs".

            On another note, I played Zena Cards (wiggley line, square, cross etc) with my cousin years ago and guessed correctly 27 times in a row...
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            • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
              Originally Posted by webcore View Post

              Apparently a large chunk of our unused brain capacity is said to only exist for the purpose of clairvoyance since there's no other reason for it to exist and no way to prove otherwise from the demands of our everyday needs.

              Arguably this section of the brain is opened up with certain "mind altering drugs".
              I wasn't going to bring that up but....

              Here it is with the details.

              Back in the late 70's four of us "party buds" (Navy) had rented a place in SC since we were to be in port for several months. One of these guys had just returned from a visit home and had brought back a fresh batch of some 4-way windowpane he had picked up in NY. I and another of these guys said "HELL YEAH"....and did a 4-way apiece. The other two thought better (including the guy that brought it back) and decided to stick to some beers as they thought they may need to keep an eye on us.

              Anywho....as the night progressed me and my other trip buddy got into an intense conversation about, well, life in general....except, the 2 watching out for us said we spent HOURS speaking back and forth in bits and pieces of sentences and whatnot. They told us the next night it was the wackiest thing they had ever witnessed. In fact it was almost scary for a while because they said they could tell by the expressions on OUR faces that we were having a normal conversation....only they weren't included, sort of.

              Nothing we said that night made ANY sense to them whatsoever, yet, the next day we could relate just about the whole conversation, with them still swearing, thats NOT how it sounded on their end.

              I DO remember a small part of my head (my brain?) felt extremely relaxed that night....almost the same feeling of muscles relaxing just before deep sleep...

              From that point on I have believed there's SOMETHING in our brain that most of don't realize is there.....just waiting to be unlocked. I also believe that what I experienced that night was just a PART of the full potiental of that little magic spot. We just have to learn how to unlock it....without the drugs, of course. Acid was just cheating...
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

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        Nociception: Our sense of pain. If you've ever listened to a Pat Boone record, you'll know that this sense is separate and distinct from our sense of touch.<snip>
        Hmmm. I've mulled over this. My initial interpretation is that you find Pat Boone songs painful to listen to. It could also mean that you pick up on the emotions conveyed in his songs so intensely that you feel his pain.

        Pat Boone:

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Very interesting, Frank. That was a post worth reading.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Also, given that there are several senses we know animals have that humans don't (electroception - detecting electric fields; magnetoception - detecting magnetic fields; plus echolocation, infrared vision etc.), it's not unreasonable to suppose that some of us may still carry traces of senses employed by our distant ancestors that are dormant in the present day human.
      I fully agree. I'm not into psychic "stuff" but I know from experience you can have a "connectedness" with another person that operates as ESP. It's not a big leap to believe some people are tuned in. I've experienced it. I've also seen some things with my animals that made me realize they use more senses than I do.

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    I know I hurt after listening to it!
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      I know I hurt after listening to it!
      So, when is Pat Boone's album of gangsta rap covers coming out?
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      • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

        So, when is Pat Boone's album of gangsta rap covers coming out?
        We're still recovering from his metal days...

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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    Nice to know Pat Boone has a sense of humor...

    Him and Shatner should get together for a duet.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Dave - I was able to read a lot of Timothy Leary's stuff before it was all sequestered. That is exactly what the drug is for. We used it in my college study groups for super-learning. It does distort vision and thinking, needless to say, while you are high, but it also opens up associative pathways that otherwise would take long periods of time and experience to develop.

    And of course -- it does cause mental phenomenon. The military used it in hella ESP experiments - including remote viewing, which is a "skill"(?) I have never been able to master and used to be very skeptical about until I read what the military did with it. While I wouldn't really be open to getting myself to the point of high that LSD takes you to anymore - I'd really be interested in actually mastering an ability to do remote viewing. It's just to bizarre for me to relate to in a normal frame of mind, I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

    It does distort vision and thinking, needless to say, while you are high, but it also opens up associative pathways that otherwise would take long periods of time and experience to develop.

    LSD may trigger schizophrenia in some individuals who are genetically predisposed to it:

    http://www.schizophrenia.com/newslet...ets/drugs.html

    "Schizophrenia can sometimes be triggered by heavy use of hallucinogenic drugs, especially LSD; but it appears that one has to have a predisposition towards developing schizophrenia for this to occur."
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Yeah TB - it's got risks, but any chemical you put into your system does. I've known several people who ended up dead over LSD. Then again, I know of a person who died because of Advil killing their kidneys and another that developed some sort of fat around his liver from drinking too much diet soda.

    I'd like to get into some of the old sanitarium records where they did LSD experiments on the inmates and see what went on with those.

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