RIP Smokin' Joe

14 years ago

Didn't know about this.

It is kind of sad actually since he was my dad's favorite boxer. He once told me that he watched the Thrilla in Manila live against Ali.

He will be missed.

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

He came out smoking and he wasn't joking.

Thanks for the memories & rest in peace.

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aliraza9

14 years ago

rest in peace...he was a great boxer

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Steven Wagenheim 14 years ago

I remember listening to the Ali/Frazier fight on my transistor radio that night
while in bed...the one that Frazier won.

It was probably one of the few last great boxing memories that I have.

Today, I don't even know who the top fighters are.

But I sure knew then...everybody knew then.

There will never be another one like those two going head to head.

RIP Joe...You earned it.
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Roaddog

14 years ago

Joe was an inspiration, in how to handle yourself in the ring and out.

One of the sweetest, deadliest left hooks in boxing.
A true boxing legend has left the ring.
If a consistent hard work ethic is the epitome of strength.
Smokin' Joe was just that.

"You can map out a fight plan or a life plan, but when the action starts, it may not go the way you planned, and you're down to your reflexes - that means your preparation. That's where your roadwork shows. If you cheated on that in the dark of the morning, well, you're going to get found out now, under the bright lights." - Joe Frazier

You have nothing to sweat, Joe

Rest in Peace....

you earned it the hard way.

You will be missed.

Jim

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Kurt

14 years ago

At the time when the fights were "live", I rooted for Ali. But as time passed and I watched the fights again as I got older, I found myself rooting for Joe.

I just didn't like the way Ali treated Joe. Joe helped Ali out when Ali got out of prison. I know Ali says he was just hyping the fights, but Joe felt he went too far and I agree with Joe.

He wasn't as smart or as "pretty" as Ali, but he was a good guy. And he was hurt by the things Ali did and said.

Joe won a gold metal and never threw it in a river (or claim that he did) and did things the right way...The more I became a man, the more I supported Joe.

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

At the time when the fights were "live", I rooted for Ali. But as time passed and I watched the fights again as I got older, I found myself rooting for Joe.

I just didn't like the way Ali treated Joe. Joe helped Ali out when Ali got out of prison. I know Ali says he was just hyping the fights, but Joe felt he went too far and I agree with Joe.

He wasn't as smart or as "pretty" as Ali, but he was a good guy. And he was hurt by the things Ali did and said.

Joe won a gold metal and never threw it in a river (or claim that he did) and did things the right way...The more I became a man, the more I supported Joe.

I agree, Ali went way too far in hyping the fights.

There was no need for the Uncle Tom comments etc.

I'll never forget that fight in the ABC studio with Howard Cosell presiding.

It was a hoot and still makes me laugh to this day.

Fast forward to about 1:30 in the clip to get to the scuffle.

I can't believe it was real since not one punch was thrown.

God bless Joe and his.

Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier Wide World Of Sports...

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TimPhelan

14 years ago

Haha. Funny.

I like what Ali was saying at the beginning. Something about two brothers attracting more attention than any thing else. I always liked Joe! Great boxer and a good guy.

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

I agree, Ali went way too far in hyping the fights.

There was no need for the Uncle Tom comments etc.

I'll never forget that fight in the ABC studio with Howard Cosell presiding.

It was a hoot and still makes me laugh to this day.

Fast forward to about 1:30 in the clip to get to the scuffle.

I can't believe it was real since not one punch was thrown.

God bless Joe and his.

Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier Wide World Of Sports Studio Brawl 1974 - YouTube

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Kurt

14 years ago

And RIP to Ron Lyle...A local hero of mine as a kid.

Ron Lyle passed away at age 70. He was from my neighborhood in Denver and he came and talked to a few of us kids.

He beat Buster Mathis and Ernie Shavers, knocked George Foreman down twice before being knocked out himself and was ahead on all cards before losing a TKO to Mohamed Ali.

He didn't start professional boxing until the age of 29 after spending time in Colorado's state prison for 2nd degree murder. While in prison, he was stabbed with a knife and had his death certificate signed TWICE.

His life story was one of turning things around and making the most of himself after a bad start.

I began to "sour" on Ali as a person because of Ron Lyle. I had been a huge Ali fan. But because Lyle was from where I was from and I had met him, Ron Lyle was the first (and only) boxer I rooted for to beat Ali. But in the prefight hype, Ali just ripped Lyle apart, calling him stupid, etc. It hurt me to see Ron Lyle treated like that and Ron wasn't a trash talker and didn't have any great reponses to Ali. Because of this, I saw Ali simply as being mean and not some "marketing genius".

Good bye Ron...Any kid from Denver about my age will miss you...

Denver's Ron Lyle, heavyweight boxer, dies at age 70 - The Denver Post

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Kurt

14 years ago

PS...

If you want to watch of the the 5 greatest heavyweight fights of all time, here's Lyle vs. Foreman. This fight is in a class with Hagler/Hearns and you just don't see the momentum change with heavyweights like you do in this fight.

BTW boxing experts...How would you score the 4th round of this fight? LOL

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Rick B

14 years ago

I saw Joe in 1974. I was waiting to get on an airplane in Germany to return to the States as he walked off his plane and into the terminal. He had a big smile on his face, greeted everyone like they were old pals and shook hands with everyone he passed.

It's a shame he didn't get some more life. 67 is way too young to go in this 60-year-old's opinion!

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Roaddog

14 years ago

I never saw the Foreman/Lyle fight before Kurt, so thanks for that.

Amazing chins, no doubt.

I do however remember these interviews with Cossell before the Ali fight.
Lyle struck me as being a pretty quiet, thoughtful and articulate guy, for a boxer.
He was one of the first ones, when I was (a lot) younger, that showed me, you don't have to be a stereotypical type guy to be successful at that level. Unfortunately, didn't see many of his fights.

I was so used to Ali's over the top ranting, Foreman's brooding...(some don't remember that at one time George's brooding made Tyson look like a campfire girl..lol)...etc...

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If he had been boxing and training younger, I have little doubt he would have been champ for some time.

RIP Ron Lyle

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Kurt

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Roaddog

I never saw the Foreman/Lyle fight before Kurt, so thanks for that.

Amazing chins, no doubt.

I do however remember these interviews with Cossell before the Ali fight.
Lyle struck me as being a pretty quiet, thoughtful and articulate guy, for a boxer.
He was one of the first ones, when I was (a lot) younger, that showed me, you don't have to be a stereotypical type guy to be successful at that level. Unfortunately, didn't see many of his fights.

I was so used to Ali's over the top ranting, Foreman's brooding...(some don't remember that at one time George's brooding made Tyson look like a campfire girl..lol)...etc...

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If he had been boxing and training younger, I have little doubt he would have been champ for some time.

RIP Ron Lyle

Hey Jim,

The Lyle/Foreman fight was a helluva fight. You just don't see heavyweights get up off the canvass and knock the other guy down like thye did in that fight.

Not only did Ron Lyle have a late start in his career, he fought in the "Golden Age" of heavyweights, with Frazier, Ali, Norton, Foreman, etc. And he did far better against Foreman than either Frazier or Norton did.

When I was a kid before a fight Lyle held his training camp at a local sporting goods store. We went to watch him work out. I was literally shocked at how hard he hit the heavy bag. It sounded like gun shots going off every time he hit it. Ever since, when I hear a "tough guy" talk about how he could take a boxer like Lyle, I'd just laugh to myself. Lyle would have caved in the rib cage of an untrained fighter with a single blow. I would NEVER have wanted to fight the guy.

When Smokin' Joe passed, I felt like I lost part of history...But for me, hearing about Ron Lyle passing, I feel like I lost part of my childhood.

PS....Did you score the 4th round in Lyle/Foreman fight for me yet? LOL

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Roaddog

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Hey Jim,

The Lyle/Foreman fight was a helluva fight. You just don't see heavyweights get up off the canvass and knock the other guy down like thye did in that fight.

Not only did Ron Lyle have a late start in his career, he fought in the "Golden Age" of heavyweights, with Frazier, Ali, Norton, Foreman, etc. And he did far better against Foreman than either Frazier or Norton did.

When I was a kid before a fight Lyle held his training camp at a local sporting goods store. We went to watch him work out. I was literally shocked at how hard he hit the heavy bag. It sounded like gun shots going off every time he hit it. Ever since, when I hear a "tough guy" talk about how he could take a boxer like Lyle, I'd just laugh to myself. Lyle would have caved in the rib cage of an untrained fighter with a single blow. I would NEVER have wanted to fight the guy.

When Smokin' Joe passed, I felt like I lost part of history...But for me, hearing about Ron Lyle passing, I feel like I lost part of my childhood.

PS....Did you score the 4th round in Lyle/Foreman fight for me yet? LOL

I believe that fight was under the old 5 point must.

No idea how that would have been scored, can't remember how it was done.

Under the ten point must of today...I believe it would have been Lyle 10-9.

If Foreman hadn't knocked Lyle to the canvas it would have been 10-7 Lyle.

Two points first knockdown, one point for next consecutive knockdown (s)

It's a strange system... IMO

I read something, somewhere recently about half points may be introduced in MMA.
The scoring in boxing is a long time controversial.

Controversy from the recent Pacman and Marquez fights

So now it's 2-0-1 in favor of Pacquiao. It could be 3-0 had judge Burt Clements scored the first round of their first meeting in 2004, in which Pacquiao scored three knockdowns, 10-6.
Clements scored it 10-7, explaining he was unaware he was allowed to score a round 10-6.