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I have emailed Allan Says a few times and have never once been emailed back, Paul Myers only emails me back if he has time, or if my question actually deserves an answer, which sometimes they dont (lol)... I understand that and dont bash them ever.

I mean...

If you spend $5,000 in a casino is Donald Trump going to personally call you?

So why when one spends $12.00 on a wso are some so....?

If you buy a $60.00 how to course from Tony Robbins for $50 bucks are you going to be upset if he doesnt call you personally to answer your questions?

If you buy a real estate program off the TV are you gonna be mad because Carlton Sheets doesnt add you to his personal facebook page?

True Story:

I once got an email from Randy Gage about a $1,200 product he was selling me.... but when I asked him to come to my forum and post I got a letter from his VA that said he didnt have time for that sort of thing...


Doesnt bother me a bit.

"But....But....I was going to promote his affiliate program and I just wanted him to post in my forum..." :confused:

Dont you think he should have obliged? Especially since his time is only worth 5 grand per hour, and I was going to make him a whole $900 bucks?!


Well.... I NEVER.... !!

Some guru right?
  • Profile picture of the author eAvenue
    His VA should have taken the time to post as him! After all thats what VAs do in a lot of cases.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by eAvenue View Post

      His VA should have taken the time to post as him! After all thats what VAs do in a lot of cases.
      Im training my own personal VA right now, who will answer as herself because my customers deserve authenticity.

      Although I know some who have their VA's post as them... Personally my own creed is being authentic so , while VA's work and are a "must" at some point, they arent for "OUR" customers unless they use their own name and say "Im John's VA".

      Thanks though, your thought here is a popular one.

      Ps. How much of an original voice can one possibly have if 5 different people can answer as them...?

      It just seems not cool to me. I was advised the same by a legendary marketer, and while I appreciate the efficiency, why not just use the VA's but keep it real at the same time?

      For that matter, why not just be our own fanboy's and give ourselves product testimonials?

      You bring something interesting up here... Am I missing something or is this practice somehow legit?

      Im not ruling out the former, but this is just my take (feeling) on it.
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      • Profile picture of the author ShayB
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Im training my own personal VA right now, who will answer as herself because my customers deserve authenticity.

        Although I know some who have their VA's post as them... Personally my own creed is being authentic so , while VA's work and are a "must" at some point, they arent for "OUR" customers unless they use their own name and say "Im John's VA".

        Thanks though, your thought here is a popular one.

        Ps. How much of an original voice can one possibly have if 5 different people can answer as them...?

        It just seems not cool to me. I was advised the same by a legendary marketer, and while I appreciate the efficiency, why not just use the VA's but keep it real at the same time?

        For that matter, why not just be our own fanboy's and give ourselves product testimonials?

        You bring something interesting up here... Am I missing something or is this practice somehow legit?

        Im not ruling out the former, but this is just my take (feeling) on it.
        I have a VA, and she's awesome.

        She answers as herself. I answer as myself. (People will sometimes email asking for her! )

        I think it's important to be genuine in that situation. They know that either of us may answer (depends on the type of question).

        It works well for us.
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  • Profile picture of the author eAvenue
    Yeah you right they can post as his VA that would have been good to or as a member of his staff in general.

    It is hard though I know I have a staff of 25 right now. And next month that will be 50. Its hard to personally take the time and address everyone's needs. I do have my staff go out and help where needed or give input.

    Put yourself in his shoes too. If you had to go out and personally post on everyone's forums it would eat up a lot of your time. That being said he could have his VA sign up for the forum and let his VA take some dictation and prep his comments for your forum so that he can make his own post.

    Its a lot of work especially if all the sudden everyone starts asking him questions. At that point he could have his VA step in and answer them though and prevent it from taking up a lot of his time.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by eAvenue View Post

      Yeah you right they can post as his VA that would have been good to or as a member of his staff in general.

      It is hard though I know I have a staff of 25 right now. And next month that will be 50. Its hard to personally take the time and address everyone's needs. I do have my staff go out and help where needed or give input.

      Put yourself in his shoes too. If you had to go out and personally post on everyone's forums it would eat up a lot of your time. That being said he could have his VA sign up for the forum and let his VA take some dictation and prep his comments for your forum so that he can make his own post.

      Its a lot of work especially if all the sudden everyone starts asking him questions. At that point he could have his VA step in and answer them though and prevent it from taking up a lot of his time.
      I apologize eAvenue, my OP was a bit of sarcasm, Im not really mad at him, just pointing out how some are so unrealistic in the demanding of others time.

      Nice accomplishments by the way. Much respect to you. "I wouldnt expect Randy Gage to personally answer me at the drop of a hat", that was the point I was making with the sarcasm, certainly not post in my forum with all he has going on just because I bought his course or promote his programs...

      Again, I forget that sarcasm doesnt always translate. Bless you for the honest straight forward answer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Who's Randy Gage...? Never heard his name.

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    See? He's not that famous John.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

      Who's Randy Gage...? Never heard his name.

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      See? He's not that famous John.
      Darn it , he should have answered then!
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      • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Darn it , he should have answered then!
        If he did, you would have missed all the fun. :p
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  • Profile picture of the author eAvenue
    Yeah I am not sure who he is either!
    I think your right he should have posted!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    He IS famous guys! Im NOT crazy! Its NOT all in my head....Look he has a youtube channel and EVERYTHING!

    Lol

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    • Profile picture of the author eAvenue
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      He IS famous guys! Im NOT crazy! Its NOT all in my head....Look he has a youtube channel and EVERYTHING!

      Lol

      The Giving and Receiving Law of Prosperity - Randy Gage - YouTube


      I believe you! There are just many many "Gurus" these days
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    • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
      Im NOT crazy! Its NOT all in my head....
      I see... Cof Cof... I wouldn't be SO sure about that.

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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

        I see...

        Im just glad you 'see" it, and that the video isnt all in my head like some sort of matrix thing.

        Originally Posted by YourProfessional View Post

        Well if he has a Youtube channel, he MUST be a Guru.
        Finally someone understands ! lol Yes!
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      He IS famous guys! Im NOT crazy! Its NOT all in my head....Look he has a youtube channel and EVERYTHING!

      Lol
      So you're saying he's a hypocrite? I'm confused!

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        So you're saying he's hypocrite? I'm confused!

        Steve
        No I was just up working too late and bein stupid Steve with some of the WF night shift people.This thread is more about questioning guru bashers and not guru bashing itself if you read the sarcasm between the lines. But admittedly Im not the best at sarcasm.

        Randy Gage is my fave teacher. He is like a 50 million dollar MLM'r, but he doesnt only teach MLM he has a "True Prosperity" series based on the classic Catherine Ponder Book "The Dynamic Laws Of Prosperity"... and I have listened to the whole series at least 50 times. It really put my success mentality into overdrive. This guy is the real deal.

        We were just having fun at his expense.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    No doubt, its hard to tell a guru from a regular guy selling a wso these days.:p
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  • Profile picture of the author YourProfessional
    Well if he has a Youtube channel, he MUST be a Guru.
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    • Profile picture of the author fblikes
      Originally Posted by YourProfessional View Post

      Well if he has a Youtube channel, he MUST be a Guru.
      Sorry but i can't understand your statement.....I can't get your meaning.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by fblikes View Post

        Sorry but i can't understand your statement.....I can't get your meaning.
        Thats because Im not good at sarcasm. Fails almost every time I attempt it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
          Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

          Thats because Im not good at sarcasm. Fails almost every time I attempt it.

          Watch the news more John...you'll be good at sarcasm in no time.

          I of course, mean the real news...won't name names....:p
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          • Profile picture of the author John Durham
            Ahhh.... My friends, Shay , Sal and Jim.... How refreshing. You guys are nuts, but I love ya!

            Ps. Shay, yeah Im doin it like you do! I think it will work fine.
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        • Profile picture of the author fblikes
          Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

          Thats because Im not good at sarcasm. Fails almost every time I attempt it.
          ok,Now i get it,Don't worry every one don't get success every time,One day you also get success in it........
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  • Profile picture of the author eAvenue
    I think I need to setup a Youtube Channel for me! While I use it all the time I dont really use the channel aspect of it to promote myself! Lets all be Gurus
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Well I think you might be onto something there... we can just all follow each other. You know, like the status quot?

    Only on "You tube".

    Ps. On second thought, I think we should all follow Willie Crawford.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Originally Posted by John Durham View Post


    Well.... I NEVER.... !!
    Well, you've got me convinced.
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