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What is ACTA?

by kengperapol
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What are the differences between it and SOPA/PIPA?
  • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
    Basically, the bill SOPA, is in the House - companion bill PIPA is in the Senate...
    What Are SOPA and PIPA And Why All The Fuss? - Forbes

    ACTA, The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement - is a proposed plurilateral agreement for the purpose of establishing international standards on intellectual property rights enforcement.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Co...rade_Agreement

    (Thanks for asking )
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    • Profile picture of the author kyleoxenham
      Hey All,

      I saw this disturbing video on youtube about ACTA today, it seems even worse than SOPA:
      /watch?v=N8Xg_C2YmG0

      God bless,
      Kyle

      P.S - Sorry I can't post the full link, try searching "What is ACTA" into youtube, the video is the first one.
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  • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
    ACTA Explained : (this is the link for the above post)


    Some more info:
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The negotiations for ACTA began in 2008 and continued till 2010 when the final version was released - that text was published in early 2011. All of a sudden - just after the SOPA protest - more than one new thread here about ACTA. Isn't that odd? Tells me some group wants to capitalize on the SOPA excitement and is pulling strings.

      An international approach to internet crimes may be the only one that will work in the future. Don't know. It is funny that one of the big arguments against ACTA is that it could violate "privacy" online - WHAT privacy?
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        The negotiations for ACTA began in 2008 and continued till 2010 when the final version was released - that text was published in early 2011. All of a sudden - just after the SOPA protest - more than one new thread here about ACTA. Isn't that odd? Tells me some group wants to capitalize on the SOPA excitement and is pulling strings.

        An international approach to internet crimes may be the only one that will work in the future. Don't know. It is funny that one of the big arguments against ACTA is that it could violate "privacy" online - WHAT privacy?
        Did you watch that film? ACTA can't be enforced to any degree without some kind of spying. I have had some customers that did the same sort of thing. At one, for sending my OWN stuff to MYSELF so I could SUPPORT them, they emailed me, my boss, and my boss's boss demanding that I explain why! I don't want to see that on the internet. BESIDES, it is AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION! It violates 1,4, and 5 at the VERY least! Seriously, they DON'T care about the constitution, and think "oath" simply means a statement you are required to read.

        Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
    Actually Kay, I contributed to this thread to ask the initial question, then added the above videos to assist for the poster above. Kind of shows how long ACTA has been flying under the radar...
    It would probably be better is we could corral these 3 subjects all together somehow (it is jumbled in 3 different threads)...these issues affect us all (I'm trying to avoid editorializing too much :rolleyes - technically, they still fall under the no-no rule...but too important to avoid...we all still need to be respectful of the rule careful to toe the line. It's just "one of those things". (thanks, Mods)
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Anonymous had come out against ACTA in 2009 and 2010 - but issued a "warning" about ACTA yesterday. They claim "secrecy" but other sources say the final text proposal of ACTA was published in April 2011. Today, for the first time, there are threads about ACTA. Coincidence?

      I was involved in some activist movements, marches and protests before the internet. There's an energy in being part of a group and fighting for a "cause" and there are always fringe elements in the crowd. There's a camaraderie with strangers and an "us against them" mentality that grows.

      When it's time to declare victory and get back to normal life - it's a letdown for a few who became totally immersed in a protest. They aren't ready for the excitement to end. Quickly point to a "new and urgent" cause and some folks will jump aboard - especially if you use the same claims used in the previous battle.

      There are so many people with titles after their names going after ACTA - I label it as a "wait and see" for marketers.

      kay
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    KAY,

    When there is doubt about a law, it should NOT be passed. If people concentrated on ALL the bad laws, it would drive them NUTS! Congress doesn't care, so they can "vote" on a bill the second it is "finished" and go full speed. So an industry could take a decade writing 10,000 pages of dreck, and congress can pass it in less than a day.

    How long would it take YOU to read a million pages? YEAH, I said a million! There is the 10,000 that is unreasonable in ITSELF, but have you read some of these bills? They may say to change and to or or , to . or add a sentence in ANOTHER document! NOW, you will have to read DOZENS, maybe THOUSANDS of lines in THAT bill to determine how IT is affected!

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Did you watch that film?
      No - and I'm not going to.

      My problem is jumping into pushing one protest after another on the forum. My question is where is this "new news" (which isn't new) oming from - and the answer is from Anonymous. Not a group I'm willing to follow or support.

      The first statement on the first video is the problem in a nutshell:

      This video may not reflect the recent changes within the ACTA test.

      However, it will give you an idea of what ACTA is about and why the internet should fight it.
      That statement gives Anonymous the excuse to use rhetoric and misinformation in an attempt to inflame internet users. It allows them to produce videos making claims of what "might happen" or the damage that "could happen". It promotes the agenda of Anonymous.

      For years Anonymous has appealed to hackers and malcontents. I think the goal is to move to a platform as a "defender of internet freedom". Of course, they don't worry about freedom when they conduct DDOS attacks or hack into sites they don't own. I don't want to see this forum turn into a base where proponents of Anonymous push their agendas.

      And, yes, if I form an opinion about ACTA it will be based on my own research and opinions of experts - and not on 10 minutes of YouTube.
      Without that - I have no opinion on it.

      kay

      Edit: I have nothing to do with what is or is not allowed on the forum. My opinion counts for squat but it is my opinion only.
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    Awareness and unity against bad legislation is a GOOD thing. It's what we've always needed in the country. We need it now more than ever.

    I have to go along with Kay, this time, about cyberwarfare not being what we want to see happen. No matter who is waging it.

    I'm not sure what Anonymous has accomplished in their attack. I don't fully understand what their message was supposed to be. Were they showing congress that they know nothing about computers? Were they showing them that no matter what they legislate, they can be taken down themselves -- empathy training more or less? Or was it just a pure act of revenge?

    One thing I am sure of is that I don't like that display of power Anonymous just pulled off. I don't like the display of power that the FBI just waved at us by taking down a site they have been investigating for a year or more so conveniently the day after a major protest. The 82 websites pulled offline without due process last year is another. These displays of power say that we have no power. Someone else has all of it. Both say that law is not an issue - if the power wants to do something, they will do it regardless of what the law states.

    What we see here is a pure ability by both entities to be tyrannical. What happens when either decides that what is legal is only what they decide to allow to be legal?

    I am already afraid of our leaders. I'm not sure if they are just too stupid to be issuing the bills they are or whether they are just foaming at the mouth fascists. They want enough power to scare the bejeebers out of any sane person, though. As far as Anonymous -- whatever their message exactly was --- it sure didn't make me feel secure or safe in the least little bit.
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