Navy Seals Strike Again!

14 years ago

Our Seals Rock! I'm wondering why a country as small as Samolia is producing so many pirates, though. They might consider a good "house cleaning" over there.

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jimbo13

14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Our Seals Rock! I'm wondering why a country as small as Samolia is producing so many pirates, though. They might consider a good "house cleaning" over there.

Well the main factor is that European and Asian fishing fleets have been trawling their coastline for nearly 20 years taking all of the fish.

So Somali fishermen grouped together to try to stop this; no hope - and got labelled pirates.

When that didn't work they started to take ships hostage to get their message out for help.

The EU and NATO promptly sent in their Navies to 'protect' the shipping lanes.

Other Asian countries and Russia, who also over fish there, also sent in their Naval contribution.

We now own all of their territorial water.

Job done.

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

14 years ago

Navy SEAL Team 6 rescued hostages Jessica Buchanan and Poul Hagen Thisted in Somalia

Read more: Timeline: How Navy SEAL Team 6 rescued hostages Jessica Buchanan and Poul Hagen Thisted in Somalia - NY Daily News

This is great and all...but I don't get it - are all the other SEAL Teams on holiday? Or getting arrested in NYC? Is there now a special forces of the special forces?

No offense intended - I have the utmost respect for what these guys do, but maybe they should just start referring to A SEAL Team Rescue - refer to the entire force...which team is irrelevant, unless they are trying to make this team look like some kind of "super-elite" of the elite - (imho) (I'm expecting Marvel Comics to come out with a comic soon - if they haven't already) not that they should not get credit...but I thought the whole idea of a "covert" team was they work "under the radar" they don't need public credit - being the best at what they do is credit enough (plus a few commendations and promotions) But I also thought the purpose of training is all SEALs are trained to be interchangeable ie: they are expert in virtually all aspects of team duty - in whichever team they are assigned to. (though I also understand some people are better at some things in any team, and will gravitate or be assigned to what they do best. It's natural...)

Am I wrong in this thinking?
Has it changed?
Is there too much transparency in this regard?

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Roaddog

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate

Navy SEAL Team 6 rescued hostages Jessica Buchanan and Poul Hagen Thisted in Somalia

Read more: Timeline: How Navy SEAL Team 6 rescued hostages Jessica Buchanan and Poul Hagen Thisted in Somalia - NY Daily News

This is great and all...but I don't get it - are all the other SEAL Teams on holiday? Or getting arrested in NYC? Is there now a special forces of the special forces?

No offense intended - I have the utmost respect for what these guys do, but maybe they should just start referring to A SEAL Team Rescue - refer to the entire force...which team is irrelevant, unless they are trying to make this team look like some kind of "super-elite" of the elite - (imho) (I'm expecting Marvel Comics to come out with a comic soon - if they haven't already) not that they should not get credit...but I thought the whole idea of a "covert" team was they work "under the radar" they don't need public credit - being the best at what they do is credit enough (plus a few commendations and promotions) But I also thought the purpose of training is all SEALs are trained to be interchangeable ie: they are expert in virtually all aspects of team duty - in whichever team they are assigned to. (though I also understand some people are better at some things in any team, and will gravitate or be assigned to what they do best. It's natural...)

Am I wrong in this thinking?
Has it changed?
Is there too much transparency in this regard?

I agree that naming the teams or the SeaLs themselves in the media is kind of dumb.
I was thinking the same thing the other night
It used to be that many people didn't even know they existed.
Now they are constantly in the news. So much for stealth.

Team six seems to be the 'media darling' lately.
Actually they are the elite of the elite.
If I remember correctly, they were evolved from the team that the Navy had Commander Marcinko form, they were hand picked from the other existing teams to go around and check security at Navy bases all around the world.

Way back when I was in, they took over Subic Bay. That may have been the one that Marcinko got in trouble for, going too far in holding the base Cmdr and his wife hostage and etc...
I just remember they closed the gates for three days and the morons that went over the fence and tried to swim, what was known as **** River. It was the main sewage canal for Olongapo (the city outside the gate)

If you haven't read about Marcinko...you should, truth is stranger than fiction time again.

Edit: after checking up on it....Marcinko did form Seal Team six as a counter-terrorism unit.
However it was Red Cell (which he also formed) that was formed to check security. I didn't hear his name or Red Cell for years after the incident at Subic Bay, Philippines. I just knew it was a SeaL Team... And I was IN the Nav at the time. That's how it used to work....secrecy.

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

14 years ago

I like your rather Freudian slip of a typo Sal...was that intentional?

samolian -
slang for: a dollar; money. also spelled semolian, samolean.

Somalia (or perhaps Samolia is a better term) would probably be better defined as a rogue state.
Ever since the Black Hawk Down incident, it seems we have been reluctant to fully the engage pirates and drug lords in that area..it's time for them to clean the litter out of their sandbox..

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hardraysnight

14 years ago

i trust germany will employ similar methods to rescue their citizen kin dotcom from the clutches of the fbi

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gareth 14 years ago

Originally Posted by oncewerewarriors

i trust germany will employ similar methods to rescue their citizen kin dotcom from the clutches of the fbi

I'll take GSG9 out single handed

And with regard to the OP - they were only after the blond chick - I know how seals think
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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Details...

Somalia raid shows extent of U.S. reach - latimes.com

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dallas playboy

14 years ago

Seal team 6 operates in that part of the world. If it was another area of trouble, the
Army's Delta Force would get the assignment.

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garyv

14 years ago

Referring to a Seal Team, like "Seal Team 6" - is like referring to a specific Army Brigade. For instance when the 172nd Infantry Brigade was deployed to Iraq, they would say, the "172nd Infantry Brigade" - not "The entire Army". It's not a Dis - it's just being specific.

And by the way, as much as I dislike most of Obama's policies, I do like his use of special forces and technology. He can be thankful that someone decided to fund those programs...

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

Referring to a Seal Team, like "Seal Team 6" - is like referring to a specific Army Brigade. For instance when the 172nd Infantry Brigade was deployed to Iraq, they would say, the "172nd Infantry Brigade" - not "The entire Army". It's not a Dis - it's just being specific.

And by the way, as much as I dislike most of Obama's policies, I do like his use of special forces and technology. He can be thankful that someone decided to fund those programs...

Founded by JFK...

We can be thankful this admin is actually using those programs and tools to deal with the bad guys unlike someone else...

... who disbanded the FBI/CIA unit originally setup to find OBL and was most disinterested in finding and removing him from the face of this Earth.

TL

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garyv

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Founded by JFK...

We can be thankful this admin is actually using those programs and tools to deal with the bad guys unlike someone else...

... who disbanded the FBI/CIA unit originally setup to find OBL and was most disinterested in finding and removing him from the face of this Earth.

TL

Actually that was an internal CIA decision and that unit was re-instated by a unanimous senate vote.

And by the way, that unit was around well before 9-11. So I'd say the one that was truly disinterested in finding and removing him, was the one that had no less than 10 recorded occasions to capture/kill him, but did not. Maybe if Osama had been wearing a blue dress instead of a white one he'd have been captured

Or at least he'd have been "smoked" out of hiding.

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ascensionmedia 14 years ago

For years European and American trawlers have been dumping waste on the Somalian coast, giving them various diseases, aswell as trawling tonnes of thier fish. And you wonder why they have "pirates"?

Notice also how they are labeled as "pirates" - Yet when the Israeli army stop and attack aid ships on international water, they aren't pirates.

It makes me wonder how the US would react if Somalians started dumping toxic waste in the sea near New York.
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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

Actually that was an internal CIA decision and that unit was re-instated by a unanimous senate vote.

And by the way, that unit was around well before 9-11. So I'd say the one that was truly disinterested in finding and removing him, was the one that had no less than 10 recorded occasions to capture/kill him, but did not.

Maybe if Osama had been wearing a blue dress instead of a white one he'd have been captured

Or at least he'd have been "smoked" out of hiding.

Sounds like someone is trying to sell a book.

( don't bother with a link )

Why did the POTUS allow it to be disbanded in the first place?

The get BL unit of all units/

Why didn't the POTUS himself instead of the senate reinstate the unit?

Non interested even after 9-11?

BTW...

We do have the footage of the POTUS actually saying he wasn't interested in bringing to justice the man who killed over 3K Americans and who also publicly urged his followers to kill Americans where ever they found us.

Which POTUS actually got him?

And which group of supporters "shamelessly", I repeat...

..."shamelessly"... ( along with the POTUS )

...had the unmitigated gall (but no surprise to me ) ...

...to try and steal some/all of the credit when the mission was finally accomplished?

Don't bother with the tired water boarding, carryover argument from the previous admin, cause "that dog don't hunt".

TL

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garyv

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Sounds like someone is trying to sell a book.

( don't bother with a link )

Why did the POTUS allow it to be disbanded in the first place?

The get BL unit of all units/

Why didn't the POTUS himself instead of the senate reinstate the unit?

Non interested even after 9-11?

BTW...

We do have the footage of the POTUS actually saying he wasn't interested in bringing to justice the man who killed over 3K Americans and who also publicly urged his followers to kill Americans where ever they found us.

Which POTUS actually got him?

And which group of supporters "shamelessly", I repeat...

..."shamelessly"... ( along with the POTUS )

...had the unmitigated gall (but no surprise to me ) ...

...to try and steal some/all of the credit when the mission was finally accomplished?

Don't bother with the tired water boarding, carryover argument from the previous admin, cause "that dog don't hunt".

TL

Actually the previous POTUS was right, and continues to be proven to be right, that OBL had not been a major player for over a decade since going into hiding. And being in hiding was actually a much worse fate for him - because now he's become a martyr. Where as before, he was just a coward.

And by the way - the head of the CIA shut that task force down, because believe it or not there were some bigger threats to be focused on at the time. It was at that same time we were right on the heals of the now real threat of al-Zawahiri. Which is why the people from the Unit to Get Osama were re-assigned. Even those that were in the unit said that they never really stopped looking for Osama, but were refocusing their efforts on real credible threats of the day.

However some in Congress wanted to turn it into a Political game, and when real history reflects back - they'll find that those Politicians are responsible for the deaths of many American Soldiers, because our teams had a chance of getting al-Zawahiri - but our Politicians had their own well-being in mind.

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Dave Patterson

14 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

Actually the previous POTUS was right, and continues to be proven to be right, that OBL had not been a major player for over a decade since going into hiding. And being in hiding was actually a much worse fate for him - because now he's become a martyr. Where as before, he was just a coward.

And by the way - the head of the CIA shut that task force down, because believe it or not there were some bigger threats to be focused on at the time. It was at that same time we were right on the heals of the now real threat of al-Zawahiri. Which is why the people from the Unit to Get Osama were re-assigned. Even those that were in the unit said that they never really stopped looking for Osama, but were refocusing their efforts on real credible threats of the day.

However some in Congress wanted to turn it into a Political game, and when real history reflects back - they'll find that those Politicians are responsible for the deaths of many American Soldiers, because our teams had a chance of getting al-Zawahiri - but our Politicians had their own well-being in mind.

Exactly...because our military (and a handful of politicians) had known EXACTLY where OBL was for at least two years prior to the actual operation.

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Kurt

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave Patterson

Exactly...because our military (and a handful of politicians) had known EXACTLY where OBL was for at least two years prior to the actual operation.

Maybe...But the current POTUS made three direct decisions of his own:

To actually go after OBL.

Not to tell Pakistan we were coming.

To bury OBL at sea.

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MikeAmbrosio

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Maybe...But the current POTUS made three direct decisions of his own:

To actually go after OBL.

Not to tell Pakistan we were coming.

To bury OBL at sea.

Actually, the stories I read (not on Fox) were that he was pretty much out of that loop until they were already on their way.

Course what do I know. I wasn't there, just like the rest of us in this thread. We only read about all the excitement and decide what to believe - which is usually what fits in with our political beliefs...

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Kurt

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

Actually, the stories I read (not on Fox) were that he was pretty much out of that loop until they were already on their way.

Course what do I know. I wasn't there, just like the rest of us in this thread. We only read about all the excitement and decide what to believe - which is usually what fits in with our political beliefs...

I disagree. It doesn't make sense that any military action would take place inside Pakistan and the decision not tell the Pakistanis wouldn't come from the Chief and Commander. That decision isn't just military, but also very political.

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MikeAmbrosio

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

I disagree. It doesn't make sense that any military action would take place inside Pakistan and the decision not tell the Pakistanis wouldn't come from the Chief and Commander. That decision isn't just military, but also very political.

I don't doubt he gave the green light. I guess what I meant was that he was pretty much out of the loop until "go-time", but frankly, I would not expect anything different.

Reports were that he was"on the green" until about 20 minutes before the operation landed and begun so he could "distance himself" if it went wrong. However, again, I would not expect less from any President (like you said - politics...).

In the end, to me it is silly to continue the back and forth about which administration was more right, more wrong, etc. It doesn't matter. Frankly, we believe what most aligns with our political viewpoints. Some of the responses in this thread prove that. Viewpoints expressed have not wavered from other topics such as this

What a waste of time... we have bigger issues to actually deal with. This one was months ago and won't even figure in to Obama's re-election one way or the other.

I'm glad we got OBL. I don't care who was responsible (politically). I'm not "proud" of Obama. Any President would have made the same call. I am proud of the men who actually went on the mission.

But then, that's MY opinion.

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JustinDupre

14 years ago

Good job SEALS! Keep up the good work.

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seasoned

14 years ago

Well, I don't like how political this has gotten, but I WILL tell you one interesting little fact! At one point, against the opinions of some high up in the nazi military, hitler demanded to be told of EVERYTHING! Everyone did that. The allies, meanwhile, due to finding out how the encryption worked, because it was a patented device, and they found encoding disks, searched those messages for patterns and found the keys!

Not only did the messages slow down EVERYTHING Nazi Germany did, but they allowed the allies to break all codes and find out about everything in a reasonable timeframe!

I'm NOT saying this to compare to hitler, or be political, simply using a historic fact of a historical event to illustrate what should be an obvious point. A military that is not autonomous at all is taking a big risk simply because they aren't autonomous. ALSO, a thousand people can do, on average, 1000 times as many tasks as one. ALSO, a local person knows more about the local conditions than a remote person could.

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