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14 years ago

The younger generations are paying more attention.
I didn't follow the Kony thing at all really.
I learned he had been doing what he does for a long time and that we had 100 troops there looking for him.
I thought of Bin Liden and the 10 years it took to find him and thought, here we go again.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

The younger generations are paying more attention.
I didn't follow the Kony thing at all really.
I learned he had been doing what he does for a long time and that we had 100 troops there looking for him.
I thought of Bin Liden and the 10 years it took to find him and thought, here we go again.

They're military advisors...

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14 years ago

I don't buy his entire theory - though I agree about the Kony scam. What I see online is many of the same teens who were quick to become followers of the video and spread it virally - are now moving to rail against it following THAT trend. They are loud in their condemnation now because they know they were take for a ride earlier. But they willingly jumped on that train without doing any thoughtful research of their own.

Most who were posting comments about this "travesty" had no clue how long Kony had been in operation - they didn't bother to get facts before jumping on this cause. Others jump into any cause that seems to support what they believe - without checking the facts or truth.

It's about time people online started questioning "facts" presented - but I don't think you can credit any age group with outing this Kony scam. Thinking people of all ages were questioning this campaign - and followers of all ages were jumping aboard the scam.

There's another similar scam going on right now to manipulate mindset. An entertainer known for saying stupid things to get attention makes a comment about a woman.....and immediately it's a viral campaign to protect women's rights.

No one questions how a broke law student can afford the time and money to jet around the country for interviews, tV appearances and speeches. No one questions whether this may be an intentional distraction or attempt to manipulate public opinion. No one questions why someone with a high income career would need free birth control either. It's a 'cause' - someone is downtrodden - everyone jump aboard.

Whenever you see a new "cause" or "outrageous news" online the first step should be to look for an agenda, the full story - and who stands to benefit from that cause.

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14 years ago

Kay,

Most of the country has become much like a big field of wheat. It leans in any direction...just depends on which way the wind is blowing on any given day.

(Oh yeah....got that in one of my weird dreams one night...lol)

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14 years ago

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by orb

Explain to me what Ron Paul has to do with Kony please.
Note: I have not watched the Kony video.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

Explain to me what Ron Paul has to do with Kony please.
Note: I have not watched the Kony video.

Ron Paul is strongly against invading other countries and they want to send military to catch Kony.

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14 years ago

Well, except for the war in Afghanistan and the war on terror in general through his vote for the AUMF resolution.

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Ron Paul is strongly against invading other countries...

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Well, except for the war in Afghanistan and the war on terror in general through his vote for the AUMF resolution.

Yes and no.
He supported the resolution which is to use military force against terrorist, not a war in Afghanistan. Big difference.

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14 years ago

He voted yes on a resolution he knew, and everyone else knew, would result in a war in Afghanistan. Later he said the war should end because we already defeated the people who were responsible for the attack, which wasn't really true because many of the top leaders of Al Qaeda, and the Taliban, were still operating.

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Yes and no.
He supported the resolution which is to use military force against terrorist, not a war in Afghanistan. Big difference.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

He voted yes on a resolution he knew, and everyone else knew, would result in a war in Afghanistan. Later he said the war should end because we already defeated the people who were responsible for the attack, which wasn't really true because many of the top leaders of Al Qaeda, and the Taliban, were still operating.

Tim I'm not going to argue politics with you here, just because you don't like the guy.

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14 years ago

No, I don't know what goes on in the "inner workings" of his mind but I know what that resolution was about and so did anyone with half a brain, which I think includes Paul. Of course he didn't know what would happen with the war in Afghanistan after it started, but he voted for it anyways. For all his talk about unconstitutional wars, when it came down to one of the most important votes for him as a congressman he voted for military action against a country without declaring war on that country. It's clear in the wording of the resolution that military action would be taken against anyone who "harbored" the terrorists responsible for 9-11. Here's his own words in September 2001 after his vote:

"If we can't or won't define the enemy, the cost to fight such a war will be endless. How many American troops are we prepared to lose? How much money are we prepared to spend? How many innocent civilians, in our nation and others, are we willing to see killed? How many American civilians will we jeopardize? How much of our civil liberties are we prepared to give up? How much prosperity will we sacrifice? [...] I support President Bush and voted for the authority and the money to carry out his responsibility to defend this country, but the degree of death and destruction and chances of escalation must be carefully taken into consideration."

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Nonsense. You are not privy to the inner workings of Ron Paul's mind. If you want to know why he voted, look at what he says. Anything else is off-the-wall conjecture.

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Originally Posted by ThomM

Yes and no.
He supported the resolution which is to use military force against terrorist, not a war in Afghanistan. Big difference.

And he also supports getting involved in military action the way the constitution has outlined for us as a nation to get involved.We currently do not do that.
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Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Well, except for the war in Afghanistan and the war on terror in general through his vote for the AUMF resolution.

I'm not a Ron Paul supporter, let alone an American citizen so I don't care about his integrity :p.
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14 years ago

Um.........that was the humor in the poster, Kim - the guy has no clue what he is saying.

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Originally Posted by orb

Ron Paul is strongly against invading other countries and they want to send military to catch Kony.

Yes, I knew Paul was against invading other countries,which is why the post lost me.

Originally Posted by HeySal

Um.........that was the humor in the poster, Kim - the guy has no clue what he is saying.

I thought it was a serious post Sal,which is why I didn't get it. Now I do.
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14 years ago

I sure didn't hop on that bandwagon. Here's another analysis of the bogus Kony story:
Kony 2012? Critics Alarmed by Aid Group's Call for Foreign Intervention | Common Dreams

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14 years ago

I didn't agree with everything this guy was saying. I do agree with who stood to benefit from the campaign. I'm glad to see it fizzle. I think we'll be seeing other analyses of the issue besides the two in this thread.

Whatever is decided is the factor that led to this scam's downfall to me is beside the point. That people are finally looking at stuff like this with the attitude of "follow the money" "who gets the benefit", is good news no matter what. We've been false flagged enough to finally start to react and recognize them. That's really, really bad news for those that use disinformation and violence to get their wealth and control.

What got me was that it was said this guy has been in operation for 26 years. I never heard of him before. Why a sudden "global" outcry - with troops and pleas for donations attached?

Whether we can analyze what is going on socially or not -- it's just damned good to see more and more people thinking on their feet. The more that people do this - the faster others will learn to do it too. It's time for peer pressure to take a new turn and stomp out social acceptance of stupidity.

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14 years ago

Kony a secret CIA agent? Evil bankers? Another 9/11?

Didn't watch past the two minute mark.

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Originally Posted by Chris Worner

Kony a secret CIA agent? Evil bankers? Another 9/11?

Didn't watch past the two minute mark.

-Chris

Yeah, that's about when I turned it off.
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Banned 14 years ago

I live in my own world, I don't care what happens outside of it!

That should be a bumper sticker or a t-shirt, lol.

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14 years ago

Just don't forget - Bin Laudin used to do major amounts of business with the Bush's. Not everything is always as crazy as it sounds when you are dealing with globalists.

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14 years ago

Well, technically, Bin Laden's family did business with the Bush family, but the Bin Laden family is one of the largest building contractors in Saudi Arabia...But Osama Bin Laden was not that personally connected, as much as I wish it were true...(it might be hard to prove at this point)
But he was trained in the Mujahideen by CIA advisors*, that is irrefutable...and of which GHWB was a director during the time...

Now if you want to speculate a GHWB and a Lee Oswald connection...:rolleyes:
I mean, he's the only guy I've ever heard say, he did not remember where he was the day Kennedy was shot...and he was in Dallas on that day - ??? That's...interesting...

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14 years ago

That's what I'm saying, MMM - people with massive power and wealth are sometimes just unfathomably sociopathic. They do not think like the average person at all. To see them as mass murderers doesn't take any imagination. Look at the wars we've had and the reasons for them. Yet people think they are not capable of making plans to get away with their atrocities. What's the alternative? Tell the truth and get fired. Tell the truth, order people to do as you say, and get incarcerated. But they can lie like hell to sway public opinion and get their own way almost every time. Because all they have to do is fool enough tinfoil hat screamers and they silence all dissent.

People, in general, just have a hard time dealing with the fact that people that are as extremely rich and powerful as they need to be to pull stuff like that off think in ways that most of us wouldn't be capable of thinking. When you have been raised in generations of narcissism, though, the thought of the family and social circle is that they are actually not even of the same species as the rest of the planet. The worldview of multi-billionaires is not even close to the worldview of the general public.

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14 years ago

Pardon my snark as follows:

Glad the scam was outed.

With that said, now we can go back to ignoring the atrocities throughout Africa like we always have. That's one place where we always mind our own business, isn't it?

Oh but wait - they have oil - not that this is new, but now we have a crisis with Iran and their game in which they hold the cards.

Now we have an important resource there - so much more relevant than tortured, starving, drought stricken people and children.

Normally I think we should stay out of other countries and war specifically and in general unless our help is requested.

However I am all for offing this guy (and any certified tyrant) with a sniper or scud any time, any place and right now is good.

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14 years ago

Invisible Children "Kony 2012" Leader Suggests It's About Jesus and Evangelizing | Visions | AlterNet

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14 years ago

I honestly only heard about this Kony 2012 thing yesterday (yes, i live under a rock). What exactly do you mean this scam was outted? I mean Kony does exist and he has done horrible things. I'm not debating the fact that this was some kind of scam, I just want to know what exactly happened that would make you say that. I heard a lot of different things, like Kony's assault stopped years ago and stuff like that. Just want to know what's up. I really don't want to believe that people were using starving, dying, children to get Americans to send troops over there for oil. The world cannot be that kind of a toxic dump yet.

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14 years ago

Who Cares?

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14 years ago

What got me was that it was said this guy has been in operation for 26 years. I never heard of him before. Why a sudden "global" outcry - with troops and pleas for donations attached?

I heard and read about Kony and warlords like him (smaller scale) years ago. He hasn't been a secret but it's not a subject people in other countries are likely to dwell on.

The "outcry" was the frightening aspect to me from the beginning of this viral campaign.

Apparently all that was required was 30 minute film to tug at heartstrings - and a call for "we must do something" - and people were jumping to "support this cause".

I don't think the real story is about Kony, or the nonprofit in California or oil or politics. I think it shows how easily people can be manipulated online. This is a story to remember BEFORE you begin re-tweeting and supporting the next outrage someone tells you about.

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14 years ago

With that said, now we can go back to ignoring the atrocities throughout Africa like we always have. That's one place where we always mind our own business, isn't it?

Mind our own business? $6.4 billion in aid to African countries - medical supplies, personnel, military training. Civil war is part of the history of many developing nations. It's not our place to decide who should win or who should rule - and it's about time we figured that out.

USAID Africa

Maybe we're finally realizing the fallacy of taking sides in civil wars - the leader we choose to support today is often the terrorist we fear tomorrow.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Mind our own business? $6.4 billion in aid to African countries - medical supplies, personnel, military training. Civil war is part of the history of many developing nations. It's not our place to decide who should win or who should rule - and it's about time we figured that out.

USAID Africa

Maybe we're finally realizing the fallacy of taking sides in civil wars - the leader we choose to support today is often the terrorist we fear tomorrow.

If I could have thought of anything to say that makes more sense than this, I would have. Frankly - I think you about covered it.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Mind our own business? $6.4 billion in aid to African countries - medical supplies, personnel, military training. Civil war is part of the history of many developing nations. It's not our place to decide who should win or who should rule - and it's about time we figured that out.

USAID Africa

Maybe we're finally realizing the fallacy of taking sides in civil wars - the leader we choose to support today is often the terrorist we fear tomorrow.

Maybe when it comes to military aid I agree...While it my not be your place, it is MY place in life to help innocent kids that have had their hands chopped off.

$6.4 billion equals $20 in tax money for every person in the US. I have no problem with that.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

Then you should send those innocent kids all the money you can afford. Please don't force me to send my money, though. I might have other uses for it.

Actually, I plan on doing something to help those kids...But another suggestion is for you to move to another country as you seem to have a serious problem with a representative democracy. I support politicians that are willing to help others...You'll need to learn to deal with it...Or keep crying about "your" money, it's your choice.

Plus, helping others is an important part of "self defense", even if people like you can't seem to figure out why.

BTW, Why don't you move to Somalia? They won't force you to spend any of your money.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Actually, I plan on doing something to help those kids...But another suggestion is for you to move to another country as you seem to have a serious problem with a representative democracy. I support politicians that are willing to help others...You'll need to learn to deal with it...Or keep crying about "your" money, it's your choice.

Plus, helping others is an important part of "self defense", even if people like you can't seem to figure out why.

BTW, Why don't you move to Somalia? They won't force you to spend any of your money.

I have a serious problem with the gov deciding to help other countries when we have people starving and homeless in our own streets. We have kids being kidnapped and forced into slavery right in this country. We have illegals terrorizing the south border. Yet we are to go to another country that already receives billions in support to hunt for a criminal that even their own governments don't bother with?

What's wrong with fixing our own problems first? If you have $20 to help kids - I'm sure there are plenty right there in CO that really could use a decent meal or a place to sleep other than the parents car tonight. Is that democratic or American enough for you?

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Kay King 14 years ago

Today on CNN there was an interview with a young man who was one of the children featured in that film.

He talked of how frightened he was as a teen in that environment - but today he's in law school. That's quite a triumph for someone with that background.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

What's wrong with fixing our own problems first? If you have $20 to help kids - I'm sure there are plenty right there in CO that really could use a decent meal or a place to sleep other than the parents car tonight. Is that democratic or American enough for you?

Sal, in Australia, we have old pensioners who can barely afford to feed themselves, let alone look after themselves, estimates put the homless at around 45,000. The left brands people like me and you who put the interests of our fellow citizens first, before trying to save everybody else, racists.

In our case (Australia) if you don't think illegal boat immigrants should be instantly awarded citizenship, and an all expenses paid lifestyle, including furniture and electronics (Yes they get given everything for free here) your a racist.

Yet our own are left out to dry.

It is rediculous.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Worner

(Yes they get given everything for free here)

No they do not.

That story, spread by the Daily Telegraph and/or Herald Sun* has been thoroughly debunked - more than once, by more than one source, including the Dept of Immigration and Centrelink.

Look it up for yourself.

*The Daily Telegraph and Herald Sun are two of Rupert Murdoch's stable of "newspapers", and according to a recent survey were viewed as the least trustworthy sources of news, even lower than crap TV shows like Today Tonight and A Current Affair.

When you're deemed to be less trustworthy than Today Tonight, you have truly hit rock bottom.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

That story, spread by the Daily Telegraph and/or Herald Sun* has been thoroughly debunked - more than once, by more than one source, including the Dept of Immigration and Centrelink.

Look it up for yourself.

How about you provide a reliable source since you are the one claiming this story has been debunked.

*The Daily Telegraph and Herald Sun are two of Rupert Murdoch's stable of "newspapers", and according to a recent survey were viewed as the least trustworthy sources of news, even lower than crap TV shows like Today Tonight and A Current Affair.

I am curious as to what reputable non-partisan organisation your refering to.

Wheres your source?

When you're deemed to be less trustworthy than Today Tonight, you have truly hit rock bottom.

I find the ASX (Australian Securities Exchange) listings to be a more accurate depiction on the state of any particular organisation (Assuming they are listed)

Lets have a look at Newscorp (Murdoch)

Link: NEWS CORPORATION (NWS) - ASX Listed Company Information Fact Sheet

Now lets take a look at Fairfax Media (Left wing media)

Link: FAIRFAX MEDIA LIMITED (FXJ) - ASX Listed Company Information Fact Sheet

Evidently, the market does not agree with that study you mentioned.

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Originally Posted by Chris Worner

How about you provide a reliable source since you are the one claiming this story has been debunked.

I did. The Dept Of Immigration AND Centrelink. I'm sure someone who hates handouts would prefer to find it themselves on the respective sites.

So share price is determined by the amount of trust a news outlet has. Really. Whenever companies lay off 1000's of people, their share price goes up. Is that a sign of trust in the organisation?

Besides which none of Murdoch's papers in Australia make money. NONE OF THEM. The share price rise for Newscorp is ALL to do with their pay TV interests, which do make money. In fact given the ructions happening in the UK, the board of Newscorp is rumoured to be looking at ridding itself of ALL its newspaper holdings around the world and focussing on pay TV, where the future lies.

Fairfax, which does not have any TV outlets, has seen its share price hammered along with every other newspaper listed on every stock exchange around the world.

Media is changing and newspapers are left behind in the 20th century, so to use falling, or rising share prices as "proof" of trust is a very long bow to draw.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Worner

Yet our own are left out to dry.

Can you elaborate?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by orb

Can you elaborate?

In Australia, we have a very high cost of living (One of the highest in the world, and due to increase with a new wealth redistrubution scheme masquerading as solution to climate change) The pensions of non-self funded retirees here are miniscule and insufficient to survive on compared to the amount of support illegal immigrants in this country are given;

Free healthcare (Inc. medicine, mental.......)
Free education
Free power
Free food
Free transportation....
Free housing, furniture, bedding and appliances.
They can bring their families here...
The list goes on.....

None of the above are extended to our old folk (they get tiny old age discounts here and there, but not everywhere) anybody who legally migrates here, or those who were born here to first, second, third generation families and so on. Or those who worked hard to have a self funded retirement.

Not even the homeless get these.

In other words, illegal immigrants are given more priority than our own citizens, even our elder folk and the homeless.

It is shamefull and quite frankly, disgusting.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Worner

Free healthcare (Inc. medicine, mental.......)

So does every Australian

Free education

So does every Australian

Free power

Rubbish

Free food

Rubbish

Free transportation....

Rubbish

Free housing, furniture, bedding and appliances.

Rubbish

They can bring their families here...

As can any Australian resident who was born overseas

The list goes on.....

The list of mistruths goes on....

None of the above are extended to our old folk (they get tiny old age discounts here and there, but not everywhere) anybody who legally migrates here, or those who were born here to first, second, third generation families and so on. Or those who worked hard to have a self funded retirement.

More rubbish.

Not even the homeless get these.

More rubbish.

In other words, illegal immigrants are given more priority than our own citizens, even our elder folk and the homeless.

More rubbish.

It is shamefull and quite frankly, disgusting.

It is shameful and quite frankly, disgusting that any Australian would believe any of the rubbish you have posted here.

As I stated in the post above, check out Dept Of Immigration and Centrelink websites for those myths to be thoroughly debunked.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Maybe when it comes to military aid I agree...While it my not be your place, it is MY place in life to help innocent kids that have had their hands chopped off.

$6.4 billion equals $20 in tax money for every person in the US. I have no problem with that.

I hear you Kurt.

Foreign aid is about 1.50% of our total budget.

Yes we have probs here at home but the aid does a whole lot of good around the world.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

I hear you Kurt.

Foreign aid is about 1.50% of our total budget.

Yes we have probs here at home but the aid does a whole lot of good around the world.

All The Best!!

TL

Which amounts to around 25 billion a year.
That whole lot of good you talk about, where is it?
Egypt received a bunch of it, how did that work out.
How come the people in the countries we send aid to are no better off then before we sent aid.
Now the leaders of those countries are all doing well, the people not so much.
The Foreign aid we send is our government aiding another government and like here it has nothing to do with helping the people of those countries.
So enjoy your dream that American aid helps people in other countries, cause that's what it is a dream.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Which amounts to around 25 billion a year.
That whole lot of good you talk about, where is it?
Egypt received a bunch of it, how did that work out.

How come the people in the countries we send aid to are no better off then before we sent aid.

Now the leaders of those countries are all doing well, the people not so much.

The Foreign aid we send is our government aiding another government and like here it has nothing to do with helping the people of those countries.

So enjoy your dream that American aid helps people in other countries, cause that's what it is a dream.

No one said our aid programs are perfect and I was not referring to military aid but the humanitarian aspects of our aid.

I believe in the principle of giving what you can personally and as a nation because it's the right thing to do and also rewards will be returned to the giver.

What are the humanitarian results of U.S. foreign aid?

- More than 3 million lives are saved each year...

...through U.S. international immunization programs.

- Infant mortality rates have been reduced by 10
percent worldwide in recent years and child survival
programs funded by the U.S. government have made
a major contribution to that reduction.

- With the help of U.S. international assistance,
literacy rates worldwide have risen 50 percent since
the 1960s.

- Investments by the United States and other donors
in better seeds and agricultural techniques over the
past two decades have made it possible to...

...feed an additional...

... billion people in the world.

(Please withhold the Monsanto seed related comments)

- More than 50 million couples in 60 countries in the developing world are able to plan their families as a direct result of U.S.-funded efforts.

I'm very proud...

- The United States has been a leader in responding
to humanitarian crises around the world.

All The Best!!

TL

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ThomM

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

No one said our aid programs are perfect and I was not referring to military aid but the humanitarian aspects of our aid.

I believe in the principle of giving what you can personally and as a nation because it's the right thing to do and also rewards will be returned to the giver.

What are the humanitarian results of U.S. foreign aid?

- More than 3 million lives are saved each year...

...through U.S. international immunisation programs.

- Infant mortality rates have been reduced by 10
percent worldwide in recent years and child survival
programs funded by the U.S. government have made
a major contribution to that reduction.

- With the help of U.S. international assistance,
literacy rates worldwide have risen 50 percent since
the 1960s.

- Investments by the United States and other donors
in better seeds and agricultural techniques over the
past two decades have made it possible to...

...feed an additional...

... billion people in the world.

(Please withhold the Monsanto seed related comments)

- More than 50 million couples in 60 countries in the developing world are able to plan their families as a direct result of U.S.-funded efforts.

I'm very proud...

- The United States has been a leader in responding
to humanitarian crises around the world.

All The Best!!

TL

lets start with what I bolded.
How many trillions in debt are we?
If you don't have the money to pay your bills and feed your family, do you give any of your money away before you get your family taken care of?
As for the other stuff, funny how two of the countries we give aid to have the highest infant mortality rates in the world and with very few exceptions the rest with high infant mortality rates receive our aid. The countries with the lowest are ones we don't send aid to.
Just about everything else you mentioned is taken care of through private organisations that our govt. supports. immunisation? Bill Gates and his group.
The seeds thing is laughable as you can't not say anything about Monsanto as they are the seed providers. Funny how many nations are kicking them out because their seeds that you say are feeding the world is actually poisoning it instead.

I'm glad you're proud TL.
When we let vets go homeless and deny them benefits for problems incurred in illegal wars because we don't want to admit we caused the problems, we have a lot to be proud of.
When our education and health care systems are (still) sub par with the rest of the developed world, we have a lot to be proud of.
When we can't secure our borders, but waste our man power and money trying to defend another countries borders, we have a lot to be proud of.
WHen we take care of our own first and the rest of the world second, then we will have a lot to be proud of, till then I don't think so.

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Kay King 14 years ago

In 2000, each taxpayer in the US owed 55,681 and each person owed 20,445.

In 2008, each taxpayer owed 88,343 and each person owed 31,360

This month each taxpayer owes 136,911 and each person owes 49,482.

And we're raising the debt ceiling...again....

To me, donating to help others is sharing your bounty - we don't have a bounty to share now.

During the time I was evacuated after Katrina I went to pet stores in Atlanta and asked for reduced prices - and what I got was over 2000 pounds of pet food donated free for me to bring to the coast. I was amazed at the generosity of those businesses.

After I returned home I gave away everything I could live without to families that had lost everything. The furniture from my guest room, extra bedding, kitchen stuff, extra food - anything I had an excess of. Almost everyone who wasn't totally decimated by the storm donated like that.

But I didn't give away things I needed to survive myself. Helping others is important - but you don't bankrupt yourself to do it. Even a country needs to know when to stop giving.

We have vets waiting months for basic care - we have hungry children here at home - we have a huge homeless population, many of whom had their own homes a few years ago. We need to take care of our people first before we take care of the world. If that's isolationist, then I'll wear that label.

I saw a good bumper sticker yesterday:

Your "Fair Share" is NOT in My wallet
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  To me, donating to help others is sharing your bounty - we don't have a bounty to share now.
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  Here is a breakdown of US federal budget. I don't know what is says about the causes of the US debt situation:
  
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Patrician

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Mind our own business? $6.4 billion in aid to African countries - medical supplies, personnel, military training. Civil war is part of the history of many developing nations. It's not our place to decide who should win or who should rule - and it's about time we figured that out.

USAID Africa

Maybe we're finally realizing the fallacy of taking sides in civil wars - the leader we choose to support today is often the terrorist we fear tomorrow.

My point exactly.

We spend over $100 billion PER YEAR on services for illegal immigrants.

$10 billion in California alone!

... and again I am not for going in with the military.

I am talking about starvation, dying of thirst, disease -

For 'military' problems, don't send a single pair of boots on the ground - like I said send a scud or a sniper and take the (certified=proven) tyrant(s) out. Simple.

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...suecentersf134

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigr...caillegals.htm

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kentah

14 years ago

Uganda discovered oil about 2 years ago.

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

14 years ago

"The leader we choose to support today is often the terrorist we fear tomorrow."

Makes for a nice Bumper sticker...

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Dave Patterson 14 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate

"The leader we choose to support today is often the terrorist we fear tomorrow."

Makes for a nice Bumper sticker...

Thats the policy that almost got my butt kicked my an angry mob in Chili in '77

According to a particular 3-lettered agencies website that taught them their lesson....NOT!
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goindeep

14 years ago

KONY is simply the new boogey man of Africa. You know there is an agenda when you have hollywoods finest getting on the bandwagon.

Clearly this guy is a scum bag that needs to rot in prison, but I can still see past it.

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Patrician

14 years ago

That's true Thom and in the case of some African nations what happens when we send humanitarian aid (food, medicine, etc) is that they are stolen and sold on the 'black market'.

So I realize that it is not a cakewalk but I do know i have seen videos of children literally laying on the sidewalks dying of starvation and people stepping over them.

Incidentally although I want to help the most dire cases, I do agree that our own people should be helped first.

Now a good plan would be to seal our borders, kick out just a few million of the (14 million) illegals here and use that money for our own people who are in need, (disabled, elderly) and for people in countries like Africa that are in dire need. DIRE.

I also don't think the unamerican practice where 'rich' people 'off-shore' their money to evade taxes should be allowed - especially for government 'employees' (elected officials). (and don't elect them in the first place).

There you go right there with a larger tax base with which the truly needy could be helped world-wide.

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14 years ago

Uganda is a country that has been plagued by dictators and warlords for decades. Idi Amin was one of the worst dictators Africa has ever seen. Typically when a warlord seizes power in Africa they remain in power for a while but are eventually overthrown in a brutal manner. Most warlords or dictators are captured, tortured, castrated and then cannibalized.

This unfortunately is a bloody history that has persisted in Africa and is commonly overlooked by first world nations.

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