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14 years ago

I imagine that anyone high up enough in rank to actually live in Vatican city could probably access the real records for research - outside of a few that the papacy has locked away from everyone. Considering that a lot of them would be written in now dead languages, there's not a lot of people that are going to be able to translate them even if they were right in front of their faces.

BTW - good show, wasn't it?

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Nerohawk

14 years ago

i read the book 3 times and watched the movie 5 times already. i just love it, me being the conspiracy theory kinda guy.

I have to admit with a vault that big just what kind of secrets do they hold. even the library is off limits to anyone. Even for scholars and researchers i mean what exactly are they trying to guard there? maybe the remains of christ or the arc of the covenant? it really sparked my curiosity bug.

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paul_1

14 years ago

Guys... You watch too much movies and you believe too much from guys like Dan Brown... Here --> access the Vatican Secret Archives --> Its been opened a long time ago --> Sito ufficiale dell'Archivio Segreto Vaticano – Città del Vaticano | Archivio Segreto Vaticano

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Usmile

14 years ago

Originally Posted by paul_1

Guys... You watch too much movies and you believe too much from guys like Dan Brown... Here --> access the Vatican Secret Archives --> Its been opened a long time ago --> Sito ufficiale dell'Archivio Segreto Vaticano - Città del Vaticano | Archivio Segreto Vaticano

Great post Paul! The movie doesn't really depict the real situation of the state. I hope people whose fond of watching fictional movie will go beyond the surface.

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

14 years ago

This one is a crackup in the Vatican locker room...

It seems, the Pope is more disturbed by the disloyalty of those who leaked internal documents about corruption, poor financial management, and money laundering in the Vatican ...than he was by corruption, poor financial management and money laundering in the Vatican. -

The Vatican Started Penal Investigation | EcuadorTimes.net | Breaking News, Ecuador News, World, Sports, Entertainment

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Nerohawk

14 years ago

well the library is accessible and has been opened but what about the vaults? the one where they keep important relics of the church or anything that may destroy the church? has that been opened as well? i think not.

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

14 years ago

Oh, yeah...I forgot about this one -

Knights Templar 'Heirs' Sue Pope For Billions

August 17, 2008
A group of people claiming to be the heirs of the legendary Knights Templar are suing Pope Benedict XVI, seeking more than $150 billion for assets seized by the Catholic Church seven centuries ago.
Knights Templar 'Heirs' Sue Pope For Billions : NPR

(btw: I read all those books too...

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HeySal

14 years ago

Then here's one for ya - Holy Blood, Holy Grail - it's a compilation of the history and research D. Brown used to write his books Angels and Demons and the Da Vinci Code.

Some pretty interesting history. Unlike D. Brown, I did not get a best selling novel out of reading it though.

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whateverpedia

14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Holy Blood, Holy Grail

I read that when it first came out in the early 80's and it really opened my mind. It inspired me to do what a lot of people have never done, especially those preaching from it, and that is to actually READ the Bible.

I've never been the same since.

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ThomM

14 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

I read that when it first came out in the early 80's and it really opened my mind. It inspired me to do what a lot of people have never done, especially those preaching from it, and that is to actually READ the Bible.

I've never been the same since.

I've read it myself, a few times.
I think many who preach have read it, they just don't understand it.

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MissTerraK

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

I've read it myself, a few times.
I think many who preach have read it, they just don't understand it.

I agree Thom and just want to add that they didn't understand it so listened to someone else's interpretation who didn't understand it then they told two friends and they told two friends and so on and so on.

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

I agree Thom and just want to add that they didn't understand it so listened to someone else's interpretation who didn't understand it then they told two friends and they told two friends and so on and so on.

Terra

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MissTerraK 14 years ago

That's a big pic! I almost didn't find the thank you button, lol!

But sadly that is so true.

Terra
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HeySal

14 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

I read that when it first came out in the early 80's and it really opened my mind. It inspired me to do what a lot of people have never done, especially those preaching from it, and that is to actually READ the Bible.

I've never been the same since.

There are a lot of texts, and a special person, that have opened my eyes.

I was raised Christian. My uncle was a Doctor of Theology and extremely intelligent. He knew 8 languages, at least 3 of that are dead languages, and he used to read to me from original texts. We had very deep discussions. I have not read the whole bible cover to cover but I've read a lot of it. I have also done some comparative studies such as Enuma Elish/Genesis.

I no longer subscribe to any organized religion.

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whateverpedia

14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

There are a lot of texts, and a special person, that have opened my eyes.

I was raised Christian. My uncle was a Doctor of Theology and extremely intelligent. He knew 8 languages, at least 3 of that are dead languages, and he used to read to me from original texts. We had very deep discussions. I have not read the whole bible cover to cover but I've read a lot of it. I have also done some comparative studies such as Enuma Elish/Genesis.

I no longer subscribe to any organized religion.

Pretty much the same background. Catholic father, Protestant mother that sent me and my brother to Sunday School every week. I knew all of the Old Testament stories without ever having actually read them for myself.

Which was why it was an eye opener to read them for myself as a (young) adult.

At about the same time I was stepping out with a gal who was on a spiritual journey of her own and we too had some pretty deep conversations at the time on the mysteries of life (the universe and everything

).

Her ideology was that she believed in God, but not in religion.

Wonder what ever happened to her.

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armedgrace

14 years ago

Do you have a link that can point me to a download site of the book/movie you were talking about Sal?

I haven't read or watched that movie. Was it really that good?

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HeySal

14 years ago

Originally Posted by armedgrace

Do you have a link that can point me to a download site of the book/movie you were talking about Sal?

I haven't read or watched that movie. Was it really that good?

It's a BOOK. Ya know - bookstore, library. paper pages. You aren't gonna download this one.

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armedgrace

14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

It's a BOOK. Ya know - bookstore, library. paper pages. You aren't gonna download this one.

I was walking about the movie that you mentioned..

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HeySal

14 years ago

Originally Posted by armedgrace

I was walking about the movie that you mentioned..

"Angels and Demons" was the one the OP was talking about that I said was a good movie.

Holy Blood, Holy Grail is a book - real, not ebook.
The other book I mentioned was "Da Vinci Code" -- same author. Not sure if they made it into a movie or not but it was a good book. Also real - not ebook.

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MissTerraK

14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

"Angels and Demons" was the one the OP was talking about that I said was a good movie.

Holy Blood, Holy Grail is a book - real, not ebook.
The other book I mentioned was "Da Vinci Code" -- same author. Not sure if they made it into a movie or not but it was a good book. Also real - not ebook.

Yes, they made Da Vinci Code a movie also. And it's an excellent movie I might add.

I saw it and Angels and Demons and loved them both.

(it meaning The Da Vinci Code not Stephen King's movie "It")lol!

Terra

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HyppeUs

14 years ago

Hmmm human, religion, and politic will always that kind of secrets

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

What a very interesting history you have Vatican.

I heard they own more real estate than anyone on earth.

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KimW

14 years ago

"Her ideology was that she believed in God, but not in religion."

That would be a good description of me.

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MissTerraK 14 years ago

Me too!

I come from a christian background and the more I see within that sect, the more I know that I am in no way quote unquote of the christian sect.

One of the best times I ever had was spending time with a Messianic Jewish Rabbi and the things he showed me were amazing and eye opening. He also read from original text in both Hebrew and Greek.

Added to time spent in studying the Bible on my own, I am now a believer in God but no religion.

I think man has pushed God out of a lot of the churches by believing more in their own creed than in Him.

Oh, and the word "religious" makes me cringe in the same way as fingernails screeching down a chalk board!

I just call myself a woman of faith.

Terra
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HeySal

14 years ago

Holy crap -- MMM - size your pics!

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MoneyMagnetMagnate 14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Holy crap -- MMM - size your pics!

I'm trying!!! It was way smaller when I looked at it...it's one of those you can 'click' and make bigger...I found out it goes from '292x369' to '1494x1884'! WHOA!

Can I resize this from here? I have been able to do it in the past with car pics...but some can and some can't... is there a secret? Anybody got a quick .jpg .tip they can lay on me?
Oh well...:rolleyes:
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David Maschke

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Nerohawk

I was just wondering after watching angels and demons last night about what secrets the vaults in vatican city hold/ i mean there are kilometers of vaults and libraries that are off limits to people. i mean who gets to archive or inspect what are inside.

With hundreds of years of the faithful paying their 10% tithe, the church amassed great wealth. I'm only speculating, but I'm willing to bet a lot of the gold, paintings, silver and such has been sold off already. But they probably still have enough that would shock the heck out of us.

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14 years ago

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Not sure if you can do it in here or not. Try loading it into your profile pics and see if it will size it. I always just used Irfanview to size pics that are too big to post - you have to save them on your own computer and post them to your forum pics area, so it's a few minutes of work - but you won't break the forum! lol.

LOL! Too much work!

What am I...Cosmo? :rolleyes:

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HeySal

14 years ago

Hey - I deleted the post. It even LOOKED like too much work. Anyhow - I'm a techno-moron so I do a lot of stuff the hard way if I want it done bad enough.

Anyhow - David. I can just imagine what the vatican has in storage that it's not talking about. People who expect 100% transparency in any entity of that size, power, and nature are really just plain naive.

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LeeLee

14 years ago

Nearly everyone was in the dark about any real evidence until Gutenberg went and invented that pesky printing press.

We wonder about what is hidden in the vaults. Effectually, nearly everything was hidden until the 13th century.

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

14 years ago

Originally Posted by LeeLee

Nearly everyone was in the dark about any real evidence until Gutenberg went and invented that pesky printing press.

We wonder about what is hidden in the vaults. Effectually, nearly everything was hidden until the 13th century.

Good point - I never looked at it that way...:rolleyes: it's that Guttenberg guy -

He almost ruined comedy in the 80's too...

And if those monks had just written 'celibRate' instead of 'celibate', like they were supposed to, we wouldn't have all those problems either...

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

14 years ago

Not to get too religious, as I know that's a definite no no...

But I saw this in the press today, and found it funny - they are making a serious adaptation of 'Noah' - that will star Russel Crowe...

Russell Crowe Reported to Set Sail as

What I find ironic - is the star Crowe is taking over for after he left the project...his name just happens to be "Christian Bale"...

Get it? Christian...Bail...??...:rolleyes:

Noah? Flood?

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Dave Patterson

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate

Not to get too religious, as I know that's a definite no no...

But I saw this in the press today, and found it funny - they are making a serious adaptation of 'Noah' - that will star Russel Crowe...

Russell Crowe Reported to Set Sail as

What I find ironic - is the star Crowe is taking over for after he left the project...his name just happens to be "Christian Bale"...

Get it? Christian bail??...:rolleyes:

Well, in that case, do you think they'll find two Crowes?

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Riptor

14 years ago

lots of dirty washing@
vatileaks(dot)com

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Riptor

14 years ago

I just saw some great stuff for sale on the vatican website. But I fell at the first fence......

it turns out you need a papal account.......

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MoneyMagnetMagnate 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Riptor

I just saw some great stuff for sale on the vatican website. But I fell at the first fence......

it turns out you need a papal account.......

Ba-dump-Tsheesh!
www.virtualrimshot(dot)com

You must go thru hell to get one of those!
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Patrician

14 years ago

Without getting in trouble for telling the truth, I am an EX-Catholic and put RABIDLY in front of EX.

I don't want to insult anybody for saying what is very obvious to anyone who really studies the Bible, and considers themselves a devout Christian (as I do), but let's just say I can't wait to see what happens at the Vatican when The Truth is revealed. I would say TOAST.

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