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So i came across this post:

Dont let the elder members of the forum put you off making money online, there are some great people on this forum but equally there are some that wake up on the wrong side of the bed every morning.

Thanks,
Now i don't consider myself as an elder member, but i may sometimes come across as cynical/skeptical in my posts.
If i don't believe everything posted online and i tend to question some statements does that make me a grumpy, cynical older man?

Yes maybe older members are going to come across this way but you know what.
They have been around a lot longer seen and done things you are still dreaming of and learned from the same mistakes you still have to make.

There is still something to be said for Wisdom over the exuberance of youth.

PS. Not saying all older people are wise or that all younger people are know it all's...
  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
    At first I thought you were quoting it for the truth.

    I think the person who typed that up deserves a pat on the back because I thoroughly agree.

    Age creates wisdom, but on the flipside it can also create petulant bitterness.


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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

      At first I thought you were quoting it for the truth.

      I think the person who typed that up deserves a pat on the back because I thoroughly agree.

      Age creates wisdom, but on the flipside it can also create petulant bitterness.


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  • Aha! But our 'petulant bitterness' is peppered with wisdom!
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      Age

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      Sitting still the old man gazes
      Children playing in their hazes
      Knock doors and flee with happy faces
      In spite he frowns, his frail face changes.




      Couldn't resist. I have poems for everything!
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      • Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post


        Age

        Daniel Evans


        Sitting still the old man gazes
        Children playing in their hazes
        Knock doors and flee with happy faces
        In spite he frowns, his frail face changes.
        And screams for them to get off his lawn.*




        Couldn't resist. I have poems for everything!
        *You're missing one line of the Haiku - :rolleyes:
        "And screams for them to get off his lawn..."
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        • Profile picture of the author salegurus
          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          Now, as several have already mentioned, the upstairs forum is too full of self proclaimed experts on everything. And a legitimate question asked upstairs that would interest many might actually stay on the first page or so so many could get the benefit of the knoledge. Now if I post something upstairs in 15 minutes its on page three replaced with questions like"What is SEO?" or "I'm new,how do I make $1000 a day?" :rolleyes:
          Officially an elder or not, I'm very content to stay down here.
          I have not been here that long compared, but i agree Kim.

          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          I understand the redundancy, a person gets tired of answering the same questions over and over. Hopefully we've answered them enough that the younger folks can pick up the ball and run with it for a while.
          Seeing the same questions being asked day in and day out probably because so many new people joining.
          I only wish they would use some initiative, search on Google or use the WF search function. IMO they are just lazy, yes i said it, lazy. They want to be spoon fed it's easier.


          Originally Posted by Halcyon View Post

          The main forum is a little redundant now but I was quite taken aback by the hierarchy when I first joined WF. Some folks get a little power happy.
          Redundant is a good way of putting it.
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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      Aha! But our 'petulant bitterness' is peppered with wisdom!
      LOL, I see you managed to get my best side...
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  • Profile picture of the author NicheDad
    on the flip side... the day I stopped assuming that everyone on forums I visit (especially the older members) know more than I do or know better than me is the day I started making money.

    The real money is in figuring out how to do things yourself. Because that way you can make a killing doing something not everyone is doing (until someone puts it in a WSO.. )
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    • Originally Posted by NicheDad View Post

      on the flip side... the day I stopped assuming that everyone on forums I visit (especially the older members) know more than I do or know better than me is the day I started making money.

      The real money is in figuring out how to do things yourself. Because that way you can make a killing doing something not everyone is doing (until someone puts it in a WSO.. )
      Oh, no,no,no, my friend...
      Have you not been listening to your GURU?

      We make autoMoney, automatically, on auto-pilot...you 'auto' know that by now!
      Look at the back of my hand!

      A true Guru will always reveal his earnings...it's 4,768.12 a day*...
      (*actual results may vary)
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Keep track of the OP quote - see how long it takes for that member to either bitch about WSOs or to just disappear altogether.

    The warnings of the "elders" should be used to wake people up to the fact that they are in for some hard work and if they aren't serious, and don't have a little knowledge of the field, they are in for a rough time.

    Some people will ignore warnings and think of them the way the guy in the OP quote sees them.

    Others will take heed and do what is needed so they don't wind up being part of the statistics.

    Guess which of the above two attitudes will be the successful one?
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Us older members may have actually learned something .
    It is up to the younger/newer members to get what they can from us and use it,or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    I know at least one squat... Good times @ Rhino, Genebra 2001.



    :p See? I know squat.
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  • Profile picture of the author Halcyon
    Well here's my 2 cents worth, as relative WF newbie.

    There's a difference between my elders and elder members of a forum. I have the ultimate respect for my elders but respect solely for being a forum busy-body? Wait a minute not so fast.

    There are several no nonsense elder members that I truly respect because they are knowledgeable and there are others that don't have anything better to do than type pseudo-knowledge on the forum. They know who they are.

    Never mistake activity for action. I know that every bite my family eats is because of a byte I sold at one time or another. Thousands of posts doesn't mean they've ever made one dime. It just means they spend plenty of time on the forum. I've been at this since 1997, so an elder to me is someone who's been at it since 1996.

    Let's face it, if you pose long enough even you'll start to believe it. Pseudo-knowledge spreaders have been passing off rehashed advice as their own for thousands of posts, and now want to pass for wise sages.:rolleyes:

    Now I don't want any of the elders reading this to get uptight. Descending from my soapbox now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      If someone can't take a little grumpiness among the friendly confines of the forum, how will they cope with angry customers in the wild when there is no moderator and few rules?

      Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

      Age
      Daniel Evans


      Sitting still the old man gazes
      Children playing in their hazes
      Knock doors and flee with happy faces
      In spite he frowns, his frail face changes.



      Couldn't resist. I have poems for everything!
      Me too! (Nice poem, Daniel.)

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      As I watch the old man ponder
      At the youth so full of wonder
      The youth, he knows, heads for a fall
      He'll need strength to survive it all
      His sheltered ego, appears so weak
      So the old man gives it a little tweak
      He hopes his words help make him strong
      So when he falls he won't stay down long


      It's all in how you look at it!


      Originally Posted by Halcyon View Post

      Never mistake activity for action.
      Um... activity is action. Perhaps you meant, "never mistake activity for progress?"

      Pseudo-knowledge spreaders have been passing off rehashed advice as their own for thousands of posts, and now want to pass for wise sages.:rolleyes:
      Um... "rehashed" doesn't necessarily mean wrong. Don't put your hand on a hot stove is rehashed advice, but if you don't know any better it's damned useful knowledge to gain. Does it matter who said it first?
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      • Profile picture of the author Halcyon
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post


        Um... activity is action. Perhaps you meant, "never mistake activity for progress?"
        In the physics sense of the word yes but that's not how I meant it.

        I can do all kinds of things "busy work" I can build websites, talk on the forum, set up my autoresponder etc... These things are activities.

        To take action would be to start driving traffic, holding webinars, building the list, making money. That's taking action. A play on words I should've explained but I meant it how I said it.


        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post


        Um... "rehashed" doesn't necessarily mean wrong. Don't put your hand on a hot stove is rehashed advice, but if you don't know any better it's damned useful knowledge to gain. Does it matter who said it first?
        Rehashed doesn't mean wrong but don't pretend as if you brought it from the mountain top on your personal slab of stone. We all know the difference between advice given from a person who has done it and someone who's repeating what they heard someone else say.

        If I'm going to accept advice from a guru, then I need to know that he knows what he/she is talking about. Running a business requires a tad bit more savvy than keeping your hand off a hot stove.

        Edit: I also want to add that this doesn't apply to all elders so only posers need take offense. The point I'm trying to make is high post count does not automatically mean knowledge.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by Halcyon View Post

          In the physics sense of the word yes but that's not how I meant it.

          I can do all kinds of things "busy work" I can build websites, talk on the forum, set up my autoresponder etc... These things are activities.

          To take action would be to start driving traffic, holding webinars, building the list, making money. That's taking action. A play on words I should've explained but I meant it how I said it.
          Oh, you have your own definition.

          Rehashed doesn't mean wrong but don't pretend as if you brought it from the mountain top on your personal slab of stone. We all know the difference between advice given from a person who has done it and someone who's repeating what they heard someone else say.
          Hmm...I haven't really seen anyone pretending they're "all that and more" lately. Perhaps I don't go to the main forum enough anymore.

          If I'm going to accept advice from a guru, then I need to know that he knows what he/she is talking about. Running a business requires a tad bit more savvy than keeping your hand off a hot stove.
          Everyone needs to make those judgments. The "hot stove" wasn't meant to be a practical example, but a illustrative one. My purpose in making it is that "rehashed" is a convoluted term that really means little anymore because it's been misused so much.

          Edit: I also want to add that this doesn't apply to all elders so only posers need take offense. The point I'm trying to make is high post count does not automatically mean knowledge.
          I don't see why anyone would take offense to what you said, you didn't say anything that hasn't been said 1,000 times here already. High post counts can mean nothing, but in my experience a majority of people with high post counts have a pretty good idea of what they're talking about.

          One reason for the high posts counts is that they are successful enough they don't have to spend a lot of time working. They take a lot of breaks here to socialize, give advice, and stay on top of their game.

          Of course, another reason is what you alluded to, high post counts can mean a person isn't successful so they spend a hella lotta time here. I think that's the exception though, and not the rule. I could be wrong. I know I only need to work an hour or two a day to maintain my income, and I do this full time, so I might "project" too much onto others.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Halcyon,
            I've been at this since 1997, so an elder to me is someone who's been at it since 1996.
            /me waves. How's 95 work?

            This thread brings to mind a quote:

            "Age is not a virtue, nor youth a sin."


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          • Profile picture of the author Halcyon
            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            Oh, you have your own definition.
            Of course. We have to plot our own course.

            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post


            Hmm...I haven't really seen anyone pretending they're "all that and more" lately. Perhaps I don't go to the main forum enough anymore.
            Honestly I'll probably never have a high post count because I spend my time over here. The main forum is a little redundant now but I was quite taken aback by the hierarchy when I first joined WF. Some folks get a little power happy.

            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            Everyone needs to make those judgments. The "hot stove" wasn't meant to be a practical example, but a illustrative one. My purpuse in making it is that "rehashed" is a convoluted term that really means little anymore because it's been misused so much.
            I knew you weren't being literal perhaps I should've used the word "ineffectual" instead of "rehashed"? Like Close Cover Before Striking

            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            One reason for the high posts counts is that they are successful enough they don't have to spend a lot of time working. They take a lot of breaks here to socialize, give advice, and stay on top of their game.
            Let's agree on our definition of high post count. Do you mean 1 or 2K or 5 to 6K post counts? I know quite a few 1-2K posers. If you look closely they're easy to spot. However I do respect longevity.

            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            I do this full time, so I might "project" too much onto others.
            Yes Dennis, I think you were projecting your success onto others. This is good.

            My IM career began outside the cozy WF family. So I'm battle hardened and contrary.

            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            Halcyon,/me waves. How's 95 work? ...
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            • Profile picture of the author KimW
              Originally Posted by Halcyon View Post

              Of course. We have to plot our own course.



              Honestly I'll probably never have a high post count because I spend my time over here. The main forum is a little redundant now but I was quite taken aback by the hierarchy when I first joined WF. Some folks get a little power happy.


              I knew you weren't being literal perhaps I should've used the word "ineffectual" instead of "rehashed"? Like Close Cover Before Striking



              Let's agree on our definition of high post count. Do you mean 1 or 2K or 5 to 6K post counts? I know quite a few 1-2K posers. If you look closely they're easy to spot. However I do respect longevity.



              Yes Dennis, I think you were projecting your success onto others. This is good.

              My IM career began outside the cozy WF family. So I'm battle hardened and contrary.


              Now that's what I'm talking about! Folks who paid Network Solutions $70 for their domains.
              Well hell,then count me in too ( I also tried Pair for a while,are they still around?)

              I think I actually started about 97,but it could be a year before or a year after.....I'm old and forgetful.......
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              • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                Originally Posted by KimW View Post

                Well hell,then count me in too ( I also tried Pair for a while,are they still around?)

                I think I actually started about 97,but it could be a year before or a year after.....I'm old and forgetful.......
                Pair, the hosting company? If so, they're still around. That was my first host. I used them for a couple years.
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            • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
              Originally Posted by Halcyon View Post

              Let's agree on our definition of high post count. Do you mean 1 or 2K or 5 to 6K post counts? I know quite a few 1-2K posers. If you look closely they're easy to spot. However I do respect longevity.
              There's another way to look at this if you're the type that looks at post counts, and that is the "average daily posts" a person has racked up over the course of being here. It's on their profile page. Mine is in the neighborhood of 1.88 the last time I saw it, but that doesn't count any of the posts down here in the basement. (Love you guys )

              And to be honest, when I see a poster who has 1,000 posts and a 5 week tenure I tend to discount their genius.

              But I have seen people with new dates regarding joining this forum with 10 posts that I know I should be paying attention to, as well.

              And apperently even though I'll be 60 this year I'm not an elder due to my starting point of 1997. I'll consider that a compliment.

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            • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
              Originally Posted by Halcyon View Post

              Honestly I'll probably never have a high post count because I spend my time over here. The main forum is a little redundant now but I was quite taken aback by the hierarchy when I first joined WF. Some folks get a little power happy.
              I understand the redundancy, a person gets tired of answering the same questions over and over. Hopefully we've answered them enough that the younger folks can pick up the ball and run with it for a while.

              Another reason for my lack of participation there is the opposite of the elders, it's the "youngers" that have a general lack of respect for other people that bug me. That, and they seem to start threads asking for advice but only want to hear from people that agree with them.

              I know for a fact some of the people who have proven themselves as marketers won't even offer advice anymore, because they grew tired of trying to help people that refuse to be helped. Perhaps we're talking about the same people only from opposite ends of the age spectrum. You look a lot younger than I am.

              Let's agree on our definition of high post count. Do you mean 1 or 2K or 5 to 6K post counts? I know quite a few 1-2K posers. If you look closely they're easy to spot. However I do respect longevity.
              OK, we were looking at different numbers. When I think of someone with a high post count I tend to think of someone with more than me.


              My IM career began outside the cozy WF family. So I'm battle hardened and contrary.
              Same here. I started in 1997 and was earning my living online long before I'd even heard of the WF, probably before I'd even heard "internet marketing" as a term. This is a great resource, but it just goes to show you, a person doesn't need to buy courses and systems and whatever to be successful ... you just need to use your head for something besides a hair holder.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
              Originally Posted by Halcyon View Post



              Now that's what I'm talking about! Folks who paid Network Solutions $70 for their domains.
              1999. Paid that price for domains and I was paying (if I recall) $25/month for single domain hosting (JaguarPC and Host4Profit). Every domain had to have it's own hosting account.

              Then I got turned on to Reseller Hosting. I started my own hosting service and took on enough clients to cover the cost of the hosting account.

              I was in heaven

              Back to domain prices - we work with off line clients who STILL pay that for domains (and never heard of GoDaddy, etc.). They just don't know.

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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Don't want to piss on anyones parade BUT all the senior members in here always showed something worth while discussing marketing. Some don't know how to do proper SEO like me? Sure, but they have better understandings of other rules, so they don't need SEO... Maybe they don't know how to exploit Youtube with viral videos? Why should they? They have a solid base of paying customers.

    And so on.

    While I understand some views of this subject, I prefer to give elder folks major props for being around sharing knowledge, humor or just their simple presence.

    For me, it's a Thank YOU.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Surely it's then a case of someone's experience and not their age?


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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        Surely it's then a case of someone's experience and not their age?


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        Beat me to it
        I remember Steve W.'s first day here.
        Took me about a day to figure out he knew what he was talking about and in my mind became an 'elder'.
        I've been here for about 7 years now.
        Here in the basement I guess I'm an elder.
        Put me in any other section of the forum and regardless of my post count, I'm a youngin
        It's not that I don't know anything about marketing, but I realize what I know is a drop in the bucket compared to the real elders here.
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      • Profile picture of the author Centurian
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        Surely it's then a case of someone's experience and not their age?


        Daniel
        And there you go. Nuff said.

        Put that with Daniel's poem and we can hang out on Philosopher's Terrace.

        The older I get the more I realize I don't know.

        My father had three doctors degrees and got more done before sunrise than most people do all day. He told me last year, before he died at 77, he realized he really only knew one thing.

        Wisdom is knowing how to apply the knowledge you've gained through the hardships of life. Most of us will tell you we've learned more through failure than we ever did through success.

        Success is easy. It's the failing and getting back up that hurts. Persistence is the key to lasting victory.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    "Honestly I'll probably never have a high post count because I spend my time over here. The main forum is a little redundant now but I was quite taken aback by the hierarchy when I first joined WF. Some folks get a little power happy."

    I don't know how I missed this first time around.
    My post count goes up about 10-20 a year,because I literally live in the OT.
    If I actually have a question or need help, I will usually ask it here first,and if I can't get what I need then go upstairs,but for the most part the OT is the new WF imo. Why? Because when I first joined the group was small and we were all friends and we all would reach out and help each other. Now, as several have already mentioned, the upstairs forum is too full of self proclaimed experts on everything. And a legitimate question asked upstairs that would interest many might actually stay on the first page or so so many could get the benefit of the knoledge. Now if I post something upstairs in 15 minutes its on page three replaced with questions like"What is SEO?" or "I'm new,how do I make $1000 a day?" :rolleyes:
    Officially an elder or not, I'm very content to stay down here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Halcyon
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

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      the upstairs forum is too full of self proclaimed experts on everything. And a legitimate question asked upstairs that would interest many might actually stay on the first page or so so many could get the benefit of the knoledge. Now if I post something upstairs in 15 minutes its on page three replaced with questions like"What is SEO?" or "I'm new,how do I make $1000 a day?" :rolleyes:
      Officially an elder or not, I'm very content to stay down here.
      You have hit the nail on the head. Everybody's a guru. They all bought the same WSO that said "high post count = respect" and started posting in same nonsensical pseudo-guru language in an effort to increase their count.

      Mind you the only thing they've ever really sold online is a 14 year old BMW key chain on eBay. Yes I know my contrary nature is coming out but perfectly good posts are repeatedly glazed over in the Main Forum and good advice is ignored.


      Yep. It is better down here.
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        The only true gurus are old men with huge beards, wrinkley skin, spiritual auras, heavenly halos, whisps of background smoke......and high post counts.

        I eat my words!




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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        Pair, the hosting company? If so, they're still around. That was my first host. I used them for a couple years.
        Dennis they were mine too, I bought my domain from Network Nation and hosted with Pair. That's because they were the hosting company recoimmended by AutoRespnsePlus autorepsonder.

        Originally Posted by Halcyon View Post

        You have hit the nail on the head. Everybody's a guru. They all bought the same WSO that said "high post count = respect" and started posting in same nonsensical pseudo-guru language in an effort to increase their count.

        Mind you the only thing they've ever really sold online is a 14 year old BMW key chain on eBay. Yes I know my contrary nature is coming out but perfectly good posts are repeatedly glazed over in the Main Forum and good advice is ignored.


        Yep. It is better down here.
        Hey I sold more that my 14 year old BMW key chain!! Actually not sure if this link will work, but here, courtesy of the wayback machine, is my first online product page:

        EBookFix

        Edit: Thje link does work,at least it did for me, but it takes a minute to load.
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        • Profile picture of the author Halcyon
          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          ...
          Hey I sold more that my 14 year old BMW key chain!! Actually not sure if this link will work, but here, courtesy of the wayback machine, is my first online product page:

          EBookFix

          Edit: Thje link does work,at least it did for me, but it takes a minute to load.
          I forgot about the wayback machine. That's so cool Was this your first product? Was it homerun instantly or did you have to tweak it?

          My first online gig was an ezine called the Officeheadhunter weekly. I had a pretty decent list but a fried hard drive took care of that resource. There weren't any autoresponders and I was using a cheap program called MyEmail List. Man! Warriors just don't know how good they have it now.


          My way back only goes to 1999 but it was up around Spring of 1998. I'd forgotten how corny I was. Defending spam and what not.

          What do you expect? Back then my favorite search engine was Dogpile.com

          Content was not king and the same 5 articles sat there for 4 years. If I only knew then what I know now I'd be a multimillionaire. But without easy access to cheap outsourcers I had to learn everything and I wasted so much time. I needed the site so I learned HTML, needed graphics I learned Photoshop, needed a program I learned CGI. I didn't get it together and ready for full time until around 2005 and but Officeheadhunter will always be my first.

          Office Headhunter Weekly

          I still own the domain and I'm thinking about developing it for the next year or so and selling it on flippa when it turns 15.

          Is there a wise old Flippa Guru around?
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          • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
            Originally Posted by Halcyon View Post

            Man! Warriors just don't know how good they have it now.
            They have it so easy now it's nuts.

            Paid $7,000 for our website to be built back in '97/98, and domain names cost $75 a pop.

            Had to have a shopping cart coded because there were no off-the-shelf carts like the ones they have today.

            Google? Never heard of it.

            Nowadays you can spend $7 on a WSO, hang a guru shingle out, and pretend you're Frank Kern your very first week.

            Progress...gotta love it.

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          Hey I sold more that my 14 year old BMW key chain!! Actually not sure if this link will work, but here, courtesy of the wayback machine, is my first online product page:

          EBookFix

          Edit: Thje link does work,at least it did for me, but it takes a minute to load.
          I forgot about the way back machine myself
          I also can't remember the names of the sites me and my partner had back in 2003, but here's a couple of mine from 2006.
          WordPress Revealed
          Mange Cures save your money and your pet
          Apparently the CSS files aren't working anymore
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    "I forgot about the wayback machine. That's so cool Was this your first product? Was it homerun instantly or did you have to tweak it?"

    It was my first product. It was right after Windows came out with XP service pack and it it "broke" most ebooks at the time.You could read them once but the next time you tried you got the error that is pictured.
    Turned out there was a manual way of going into your system files to fix or rest it,whatever term you want to use.
    I just hired a coder to make it into a batch file to run automatically and give it a pretty program design and boom,there I had it.
    I would say the program itself was a pretty good product,because like it or not most people had ebooks that had the problem and I was the only automatic cure in town

    As far as the sales page. I did none of it, fellow warriors offered to help me and they did. We don't find that kind of comradrie here anymore,which is also one of the main reason I stay down here. Here if I ask for help I get it with nothing expected in return,and I do the same for others.

    The site itself is still up,but it is missing some graphics,which is why I used to wayback machine to show it.

    My only bad experience was that someone who is still a member here,but at the time was a Mod, purchased it from me then immediately claimed it didn't work. Both myself and the developer tried to help him but he kept claiming nothin worked. We asked for screenshots of his problem,he wouldn't send any. I finally gave him a refund. THEN within a week or two he released his own product that did what mine did. I confronted him openly in the forum ( which I probably shouldn't have in retrospect) and of course he denied doing any wrong.
    I was so angry I actually contacted Allen Say and asked him why the hell did he have thieves working as mods here. I got no answer but didn't really expect one. I left the forum for a while and when I came back,the guy was no longer a mod, though as I said,he is still a member here.

    Oh, getting back to the website itself, there was a problem with the header fitting properly.Both the guy that did it for me and myself didn't know how to fix it. I was working at one of my state IT departments for my day job and happened to know the guy that did the states websites. One day I asked him to look at it, he did, took him about 30 seconds to fix it!

    Anyway, that is the extremely long version of my first IM product!
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    Dennis,
    Pair, the hosting company? If so, they're still around. That was my first host.
    Mine, too. Well, except for the space I got at my ISP. The URL had a tilde in it.

    I ran an email discussion list through Pair, until we hit 180 posts per day and got asked to move the listserv. Lots of people on there who went on to do well online. It was a lot of fun.

    My "tilde" site got a surprising amount of traffic and feedback. Editorials about the growth of political intolerance and the evils of aspam (yes, in 1995), humorous stuff, "for sale" listings of non-sports trading cards, snd all manner of other odd things. It was basically a blog/catalog, before the term "blog" was coined.

    Sadly, that's all buried on the drive of my now-defunct A3000. Some of it would make for an interesting retrospective.


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    Kim,

    EbookFix was your product? Cool!

    PM me the name of that ex-mod, please? I could guess, but I'd rather not...


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    As far as Mods here on the forum, nowadays I only know you,Paul,and Ken,and of course Pat in the PIPS forum. I'm sure there are at least several more but since I "try" to stay within most boundaries of decency I don't worry about who they are.
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    Kim,
    I'm sure there are at least several more but since I "try" to stay within most boundaries of deceny I don't worry about who they are.
    Funny how that works, ain't it?

    Ken and I are a third of the forum-wide moderators. There are a whole gaggle of mods in the sub-forums who do a lot of the work, too. And one who deftly polices the blogs. And, of course, Thomas, who handles so much through the help desk.

    We could use a mod for this section, too, but you'd need someone with the patience of Job, the wisdom of Solomon, or the whip of a lion tamer with a nasty hangover in the middle of a bitter divorce. Oh, and they'd have to be a "local."


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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Dennis,Mine, too. Well, except for the space I got at my ISP. The URL had a tilde in it.
      I remember the "tilde" sites. My second site was a tilde site. I actually made BoogieJack.com first, you know that site so I don't have to explain it, and later built my "tilde" site to use as a funnel to the .com. That was back in 1997 -- and I outlasted my ISP, they went out of business several years ago.

      I wonder if I was one of the first to build a "funnel" site? I didn't know anyone else doing it back then.

      And BoogieJack.com is still going strong.

      We could use a mod for this section, too, but you'd need someone with the patience of Job, the wisdom of Solomon, or the whip of a lion tamer with a nasty hangover in the middle of a bitter divorce. Oh, and they'd have to be a "local."
      I'd volunteer but I fear rejection.

      On the other hand, you and I and a few others around here are all supposedly the same person anyway, so why would I reject myself? :confused:
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    And I think I am too hot headed
    There was a time I wanted to be one,but not anymore.
    Besides I have my other forum to watch over,even though its slow.

    As far as Boogiejack, I think I may have seen it years ago,though didn't know you then Dennis. Met you by arguing over some stupid post some female scammer was making in the main forum. But you know I meet the best people by arguing with them first.

    I was aactually going through some really,and I mean really old files on an older machine I have and I found some kind of wedd\bmaster tools or tips or something like that ebook by some guy named Dennis Gaskill.
    Imagine that!...
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post


      As far as Boogiejack, I think I may have seen it years ago,though didn't know you then Dennis. Met you by arguing over some stupid post some female scammer was making in the main forum. But you know I meet the best people by arguing with them first.

      I was aactually going through some really,and I mean really old files on an older machine I have and I found some kind of weddbmaster tools or tips or something like that ebook by some guy named Dennis Gaskill.
      Imagine that!...
      Kim, I remember long ago when someone first associated me with BoogieJack in a post here (might have even been Paul). I got a lot of PM's and emails with things like, "You're Boogie Jack?" ...and then they went on to say how they learned website design from my site, or that their college was using my book as the teaching text, or talk about some other connection we had. That took me by surprise, but I really appreciated hearing from so many that I'd helped.

      And then a few days ago I bought a huge package of products from someone I know who had paid a small fortune to have them developed, and guess what I found in the package? One of the products "borrowed" content from my website and newsletter. The guy I bought the product from wasn't the one who did the dirty deed, he paid a ghost writer. I told him about it, and that ghost writer doesn't know it yet by he just lost a lucrative job.

      So yeah, "old-timers" like you and Paul and me can be found in all kinds of little corners on the web.
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        Unbelievable Dennis!

        I just can't fathom who would do that, or even why!

        Maybe they think the world wide web is so huge, they'd never get caught.

        But the phrase "It's a small world" counts on the net too, especially among online marketers, it then gets a bit smaller.

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    Terra, the "why" was pretty obvious, he was being paid well to ghostwrite, but he cheated on topics he didn't have any expertise in.

    As for the small world, you got that right. I have a pretty loyal core of subscribers, many who have been with me over 10 years. They know my writing style, my humor, and my content ... and many of them look out for me. I haven't kept track, but I'd guess they've emailied me to point out where my content is being publishing on other sites at least 8-10 times, probably more.

    I even had one guy write to me to ask about a new site I'd made. My name wasn't on it anywhere. The site is outside of the niche he knows me from. And yet, he knew it was my site. When I asked him how, he said he recognized my writing style. Maybe I should change my style now and then!
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      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Terra, the "why" was pretty obvious, he was being paid well to ghostwrite, but he cheated on topics he didn't have any expertise in.
      I understand that part, Dennis, lol!

      Don't all thieves do it for the money.

      The why I was referring to was why risk your reputation as a writer because once it is tainted, your business will take the short route to destruction. I don't know, but thinking short term isn't really business savvy either.

      But on the bright side, congratulations on your success!

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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        I understand that part, Dennis, lol!

        Don't all thieves do it for the money.

        The why I was referring to was why risk your reputation as a writer because once it is tainted, your business will take the short route to destruction. I don't know, but thinking short term isn't really business savvy either.
        Ah...yes, I see what you meant, of course.

        But on the bright side, congratulations on your success!
        Thanks, I'm just lucky. Obviously it's not my brains! :p
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    I've been in the WF since the autumn of 2004 - and I have been online since...um....autumn of 2004...about 3 weeks before I fell into the forum. You can tell what areas I have mastered well enough to be able to discuss seriously because I don't open my mouth about the ones I'm still clueless about.

    I go up to the main forums sometimes, but I don't stay long up there. The redundancy is ludicrous to me. Even someone only here for a few days should be able to see which subjects are getting worn even on a daily basis. I like it down here where I know more about a person than what their next product is. It's the OT that can be credited for everything I've learned and produced online.

    Dennis - I think you're right. As long as we're the same person as Paul, we should just all have one account with one name, just to be honest about things, where we can login and wreak havoc in the basement. Who needs stickies when you have multiple personalities?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Dennis - I think you're right. As long as we're the same person as Paul, we should just all have one account with one name, just to be honest about things, where we can login and wreak havoc in the basement. Who needs stickies when you have multiple personalities?
      Couldn't have said it better myself. Wait, did I just write that as HeySal? It's fun being me . . . and you . . . and Paul . . . and . . .
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Dennis - I think you're right. As long as we're the same person as Paul, we should just all have one account with one name, just to be honest about things, where we can login and wreak havoc in the basement. Who needs stickies when you have multiple personalities?
      Man, I'm glad I don't have your guy's problems...:p

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    "Dennis - I think you're right. As long as we're the same person as Paul, we should just all have one account with one name, just to be honest about things, where we can login and wreak havoc in the basement. Who needs stickies when you have multiple personalities?"

    So you've read that too?
    I couldn't believe the stupidity of the person/people that are writing that crap. Of course it wwas disheartening to hear I was the figment of someone's imagination. I keep expecting that person to wake up and tthen poof,I'm going to be outta here!
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      I don't know how other 'elders' are feeling this morning. My knees may know squat, but they sure as hell ain't doing any today
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        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        I don't know how other 'elders' are feeling this morning. My knees may know squat, but they sure as hell ain't doing any today
        LOL, i'm not quite there yet.
        I do however have a old biking injury that acts up in colder weather,
        luckily not many cold days in Texas...
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          Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

          LOL, i'm not quite there yet.
          I do however have a old biking injury that acts up in colder weather,
          luckily not many cold days in Texas...
          That's it. I gotta visit the eye Dr. today.

          I saw..."I do however have a old bikini injury that acts up in colder weather"...
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            Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

            That's it. I gotta visit the eye Dr. today.

            I saw..."I do however have a old bikini injury that acts up in colder weather"...
            LOL, That was about the only part of my body that was not hurting for months afterwards.

            It's such a stress reliever being down here in the "basement" as Kim calls it, 10 min of the Main forum these days and i'm done.
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            Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

            That's it. I gotta visit the eye Dr. today.

            I saw..."I do however have a old bikini injury that acts up in colder weather"...
            Hey Dave, maybe the eye doctor isn't the kind of doctor you should be going to see. They say we see what we want to see . . . just sayin'.
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      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      "Dennis - I think you're right. As long as we're the same person as Paul, we should just all have one account with one name, just to be honest about things, where we can login and wreak havoc in the basement. Who needs stickies when you have multiple personalities?"

      So you've read that too?
      I couldn't believe the stupidity of the person/people that are writing that crap. Of course it wwas disheartening to hear I was the figment of someone's imagination. I keep expecting that person to wake up and tthen poof,I'm going to be outta here!
      Yes I read it. I was honored to be in the mix, LOL, yet stupified that someone could consider me "fictional". I just don't FEEL fictional. I also think that Mr. Myers deserves much praise for his creative ability. It's a wonder he hasn't been globally hailed as the master yet. Well, maybe he has and just wrote that out of our world to avoid having to write our shock, panic, and indignation.
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        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Yes I read it. I was honored to be in the mix, LOL, yet stupified that someone could consider me "fictional". I just don't FEEL fictional. I also think that Mr. Myers deserves much praise for his creative ability. It's a wonder he hasn't been globally hailed as the master yet. Well, maybe he has and just wrote that out of our world to avoid having to write our shock, panic, and indignation.
        Fictional?

        Hell no, you're closer to mythical...
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          Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

          Fictional?

          Hell no, you're closer to mythical...
          Well, all right then. I don't mind being mythical.

          And don't let them make you feel insane. I know several men who have had bikini injuries. Trust me on that one.

          Paul - if you are writing right now - could you write us into a private mansion on 5,000 acres of the NW for Scallop/Artichoke linguini and a couple cases of Dom and a fattie or two by the early spring yule log fire. You're alter egos would like to party for a tad.
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            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            Well, all right then. I don't mind being mythical.

            And don't let them make you feel insane. I know several men who have had bikini injuries. Trust me on that one.

            Paul - if you are writing right now - could you write us into a private mansion on 5,000 acres of the NW for Scallop/Artichoke linguini and a couple cases of Dom and a fattie or two by the early spring yule log fire. You're alter egos would like to party for a tad.
            *in a proper Southern Gentlemans accent*

            Why, DO tell Miss Sal...
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            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            I know several men who have had bikini injuries. Trust me on that one.
            For some reason that reminds me of this story...

            The doctor said, 'Joe, the good news is I can cure your headaches. The bad news is that it will require castration. You have a very rare condition, which causes your testicles to press on your spine and the pressure creates one hell of a headache. The only way to relieve the pressure is to remove the testicles.'

            Joe was shocked and depressed. He wondered if he had anything to live for.

            He had no choice but to go under the knife. When he left the hospital, he was without a headache for the first time in 20 years, but he felt like he was missing an important part of himself. As he walked down the street, he realized that he felt like a different person. He could make a new beginning and live a new life.

            He saw a men's clothing store and thought, 'That's what I need... A new suit...'

            He entered the shop and told the salesman, 'I'd like a new suit..'

            The elderly tailor eye d him briefly and said, 'Let's see... Size 44 long.'

            Joe laughed, 'That's right, how did you know?'

            'Been in the business 60 years!' the tailor said.

            Joe tried on the suit it fit perfectly.

            As Joe admired himself in the mirror, the salesman asked, 'How about a new shirt?'

            Joe thought for a moment and then said, 'Sure.'

            The salesman eyed Joe and said, 'Let's see, 34 sleeves and 16-1/2 neck.'

            Joe was surprised, 'That's right, how did you know?'

            'Been in the business 60 years.'

            Joe tried on the shirt and it fit perfectly.

            Joe walked comfortably around the shop and the salesman asked, 'How about some new underwear?'

            Joe thought for a moment and said, 'Sure.'

            The salesman said, 'Let's see... Size 36.

            Joe laughed, 'Ah ha! I got you! I've worn a size 34 since I was 18 years old.'

            The salesman shook his head, 'You can't wear a size 34. A size 34 would press your testicles up against the base of your spine and give you one hell of a headache.'


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    Well whats that make me Dave??
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      Dennis,
      I remember long ago when someone first associated me with BoogieJack in a post here (might have even been Paul).
      That would be me, yes. You're something of a legend.

      Sal,
      stupified that someone could consider me "fictional".
      Welcome to the club.


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        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Dennis,That would be me, yes. You're something of a legend.
        You mean . . . outside of the confines of my own skull?
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      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Well whats that make me Dave??
      Looney Tunes.

      Dennis is Legend.

      And Paul is LEGION, obviously.
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        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Looney Tunes.

        Dennis is Legend.

        And Paul is LEGION, obviously.
        Sal,
        I wish I could come up with a good argument against that one,but I can't.....
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    Ooh ooh *jumping up and down* I want to play.

    I'll be PaSalis ( Paul, Sal, Dennis)
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      Originally Posted by Halcyon View Post

      Ooh ooh *jumping up and down* I want to play.

      I'll be PaSalis ( Paul, Sal, Dennis)

      Hell,I'm was also mentioned as an imaginary person,why is everyone forgetting me?
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        Originally Posted by KimW View Post

        Hell,I'm was also mentioned as an imaginary person,why is everyone forgetting me?
        I didn't forget you but there was no cool way to fit Kim onto PaSalis

        How about Kim PaSalis ? Not a bad pen name actually.
        Somebody run with it we have a killer JV brewing.
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    Kinda Italian sounding..... I had some relatives that claimed the were connected....but I never found out for sure,they just kinda disappeared......
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    That was great Bill! Thanks for the laugh.
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