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14 years ago

WTF!

So Brit Police is interested in these "dangerous" and "scary" musicians - and yet, they let all these morons who want to rule their country burn their flag, try to ruin their history and culture, and go out on the streets shouting "kill the uk" and whatnot.

Makes sense.

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KimW

14 years ago

Sorry Dave but I got to say it:
"I mean...WTH is going on with the lawmakers over there???"

The same thing that is going on with ours.

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Dave Patterson 14 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

Sorry Dave but I got to say it:
"I mean...WTH is going on with the lawmakers over there???"

The same thing that is going on with ours.

Maybe we should contact the Center for Disease Control...I think we have a worldwide dumba** virus on the loose...:rolleyes:
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alistair

14 years ago

Actually I just read the article and it is ridculous.

I don't know what's going on but somehow things have become very twisted and back to front.

Makes you wonder if those conpiracy theorists are actually right.

I know who is to blame though and his initials are TB. In my opinion he should be done for treason.

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KimW

14 years ago

Originally Posted by alistair

Actually I just read the article and it is ridculous.

I don't know what's going on but somehow things have become very twisted and back to front.

Makes you wonder if those conpiracy theorists are actually right.

I know who is to blame though and his initials are TB. In my opinion he should be done for treason.

I don't really follow what goes on politically in the UK, I have enough trouble keeping up here, but I have to admit I used to enjoy watching your Parliment discussions and Blake was a dynamic speaker.

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave Patterson

Maybe we should contact the Center for Disease Control...I think we have a worldwide dumba** virus on the loose...:rolleyes:

Unfortunately it isn't curable. Those of us not infected will just have to wait it out until they off themselves. Then we rebuild.

Originally Posted by alistair

I know who is to blame though and his initials are TB. In my opinion he should be done for treason.

Tom Brady? He had nothing to do with this :p. Although he does seem to be feeling guilty here:

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MissTerraK

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Robinson

Unfortunately it isn't curable. Those of us not infected will just have to wait it out until they off themselves. Then we rebuild.

You got that right Joe!

Everybody knows that you can't fix stupid! :rolleyes:

Terra

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KimW 14 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

You got that right Joe!

Everybody knows that you can't fix stupid! :rolleyes:

Terra

God, you don't know how badly I want to say something here......
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- Mark Andrews Banned 14 years ago
  
  It's simple...
  
  If you're a foreigner, a musician playing in a concert for example - it is the responsibility of the musicians agent to organise in advance a Tier 5 visa which gives you the musician the right to work temporarily in the United Kingdom.
  
  If any musician does not have Tier 5 visa clearance (or sponsorship) you will be deported back to your country of origin.
  
  Similarly, I can't just turn up in the United States or Canada to do work over there without the proper visa being applied for in advance.
  
  It matters not what you do whether you're a musician, a business person, an entrepreneur - if you come to the UK to carry out any form of business or work for monetary gain you must have the correct visa at your point of entry.
  
  This is just commonsense. It applies everywhere equally.
  
  Further details from the UK Border Agency government website here...
  
  UK Border Agency | Visits by artists and musicians: UK Border Agency response
  
  Entering the UK as an entertainer or an artist...
  
  http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/si...ner-artist.pdf
  
  Further info here...
  
  UK Border Agency | Quick guide to the points-based system
  
  Mark Andrews
  
  PS FYI The Prime Minister is David Cameron - Leader of the Conservative Party.
  
  He runs a coalition government with the Liberal Democrats headed up by Nick Clegg who is the Deputy Prime Minister.
  
  We're currently in mid-term. Local by-elections taking place nationally just two days ago when the Labour Party enjoyed a landslide victory.
  
  Tony Blair was the Prime Minister (Labour Party) between 2 May 1997 and 27 June 2007. His successor was the Chancellor of The Exchequer (1997 - 2007) - Gordon Brown (Prime Minister between 2007 - 2010).
  
  Prime Minister David Cameron has been in the hot seat since May 2010.
  
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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

You got that right Joe!

Everybody knows that you can't fix stupid! :rolleyes:

Terra

I'd like to say that here in the US we can quit electing stupid, but when the choice is often dumb and dumber (stupid and stupider!), we can't even do that.

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I'd like to say that here in the US we can quit electing stupid, but when the choice is often dumb and dumber (stupid and stupider!), we can't even do that.

Perhaps select Warriors should start their own political party?

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hardraysnight

14 years ago

does usa allow any musician to come and play without the correct visa - or is that different?

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HeySal

14 years ago

We could do that - I'll volunteer for office. Guaranteed that I can shake the house up a tad if nothing else. It would make C-Span pretty entertaining for a few years.

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jimbo13

14 years ago

What Mark Andrews said.

Essentially it is a work permit and she didn't have one.

If you want to come to the UK and work without a permit and get a free house to boot, you need to come via the backdoor, look haggard and not speak a word of English.

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Kay King

14 years ago

You have to have the proper visas/permit to come here to work, too. Sounds like she needs a better informed advance team.

She should be unhappy with the person/company who set up the tour - they aren't doing the job.

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Mark Andrews

Banned 14 years ago

Exactly. If she had the proper permits / paperwork there wouldn't have been a problem. But she didn't have them obviously and therefore was sent back home again after being held in a detention centre for a few hours which is bog standard practice.

The law applies to everyone equally, just because one is a musician no matter how well known or famous one may be, this doesn't buy you special privileges in the United Kingdom.

The law is there to be applied to one and all without prejudice when said law is broken. Her agent was clearly at fault (or whoever was supposed to sort all of this out for her on her behalf) with the cooperation of the venues concerned at which she was supposed to perform.

There's nothing daft or some hidden agenda about this in the slightest. It's just procedure and is there to protect the citizens of the United Kingdom. Make an exception in one case and where do you stop? Where do you draw the line for future cases?

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Dave Patterson

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mark Andrews

Exactly. If she had the proper permits / paperwork there wouldn't have been a problem. But she didn't have them obviously and therefore was sent back home again after being held in a detention centre for a few hours which is bog standard practice.

The law applies to everyone equally, just because one is a musician no matter how well known or famous one may be, this doesn't buy you special privileges in the United Kingdom.

The law is there to be applied to one and all without prejudice when said law is broken. Her agent was clearly at fault (or whoever was supposed to sort all of this out for her on her behalf) with the cooperation of the venues concerned at which she was supposed to perform.

There's nothing daft or some hidden agenda about this in the slightest. It's just procedure and is there to protect the citizens of the United Kingdom. Make an exception in one case and where do you stop? Where do you draw the line for future cases?

Is this new? Like I said, she's already toured there before.

Even several of the venues were unaware of this "special" permit.

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Frank Donovan

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave Patterson

Is this new? Like I said, she's already toured there before.

Even several of the venues were unaware of this "special" permit.

Dave, it's not a new law - the article you linked to is from 2009.

The responsibility generally falls to the Booking Agents, so perhaps it's not too surprising that some venues would be unaware, especially the smaller places that might not be used to hosting non native acts.

I hope your friend's daughter manages to sort this out and return soon.

Frank

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Daniel Evans 14 years ago

Why is the article dated 2009 if this just happened last night?
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- Dave Patterson 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Daniel Evans
  
  Why is the article dated 2009 if this just happened last night?
  
  The article wasn't about her. It was an example she posted on her blog...
  
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Mark Andrews

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

Dave, it's not a new law - the article you linked to is from 2009.

The responsibility generally falls to the Booking Agents, so perhaps it's not too surprising that some venues would be unaware, especially the smaller places that might not be used to hosting non native acts.

I hope your friend's daughter manages to sort this out and return soon.

Frank

Correct. Spot on.

It's not the responsibility of the venues concerned. As long as they have the appropriate entertainment license this is all that really concerns them.

This is totally the responsibility Dave of the booking agent/s to sort out the appropriate visa not only for the musician but any other band members too.

Obviously if they're from the EU as opposed to The Commonwealth the aforementioned Tier 5 visa requirement would not be applicable.

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MissTerraK

14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

We could do that - I'll volunteer for office. Guaranteed that I can shake the house up a tad if nothing else. It would make C-Span pretty entertaining for a few years.

You get my vote!

Heck, I'd even pay to see that!

Terra

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Dave Patterson 14 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

You get my vote!

Heck, I'd even pay to see that!

Terra

We already have to pay to watch the clown show now...
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Dave Patterson

14 years ago

I'm sure she'll sort it out and make the trip back. She certainly enjoyed it last year...

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Frank Donovan

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave Patterson

I'm sure she'll sort it out and make the trip back. She certainly enjoyed it last year...

Based on that video, I'd definitely like to catch one of her shows.

But for now, the shot of the breakfast at around 1.05 is making me so HUNGRY......

Frank

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Dave Patterson

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

Based on that video, I'd definitely like to catch one of her shows.

But for now, the shot of the breakfast at around 1.05 is making me so HUNGRY......

Frank

She is scheduled in London on the 11th....maybe she'll make it.

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Robinson

Perhaps select Warriors should start their own political party?

Now there's an idea ... count me out.

Originally Posted by Kay King

You have to have the proper visas/permit to come here to work, too. Sounds like she needs a better informed advance team.

She should be unhappy with the person/company who set up the tour - they aren't doing the job.

In theory. I'm pretty sure I've heard something about millions of people coming here illegally though.

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hardraysnight

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave Patterson

WTH???

A friend of mines daughter was detained ALL NIGHT last night and basically treated like a common criminal...

She's on her way home as we speak...and she's NOT HAPPY!

She's a musician for crying out loud! She's also toured the U. K. previously and already has a decent, growing fan base over there.

I mean...WTH is going on with the lawmakers over there??? :confused:

Canadian singer kicked out of U.K. under new rules - British Columbia - CBC News

at least she was not detained for five days in total darkness without food or water

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