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Modified Salmon..

by Justin Says
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This just grossed me out.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/04/he...lmon.html?_r=1

I have nothing against cloning, but this type of thing is just annoying..

It's pretty much making an animal grow faster so we can kill it sooner.
  • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
    One of the major problems with this, is that the Salmon will no longer be going back to their spawning grounds, which are all ecosystems dependent on their return.

    Salmon were once so plentiful in the Columbia River Basin, Indian legends told of being able to "walk across the river on their backs" the river was so full. Because of this, the Indian tribes of the Columbia were noted as some of the richest of all in the Americas - Tribes for 1000's of miles would come to trade for the Salmon, even tales of Cahokia and beyond.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    It seems to me that it would be a tad wise now since we are in the midst of a major extinction, to do what we can to restore the earth - not turn it into a freak show for our own gain. Um..........we've been doing that and it's NOT workin' for us.
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  • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
    But - how do we modify them so they already come in cans ??? :confused:

    Might as well go one step further, and make them 'boneless' too...
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    • Profile picture of the author Justin Says
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      But - how do we modify them so they already come in cans ??? :confused:

      Might as well go one step further, and make them 'boneless' too...
      Wow.

      Good argument.

      Makes a lot of sense sadly because that's what they are already doing with cows/pigs.

      That's why I stopped going to McDonalds a while back and started eating healthier and more vegetables.

      Also Chipotle is a much more trusted organization when it comes to raising cattle/livestock right.
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        What kills me is you see a rise in Autism, a rise in cancers, a rise in Alzheimers, a rise in birth defects, children becoming physically mature earlier and mentally mature later, and a raise in genetically engineered foods in our food system, and nobody sees a connection.
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        • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          What kills me is you see a rise in Autism, a rise in cancers, a rise in Alzheimers, a rise in birth defects, children becoming physically mature earlier and mentally mature later, and a raise in genetically engineered foods in our food system, and nobody sees a connection.
          When people are chattel, they act much like cattle,
          and quietly chew on their cud -
          until slaughter-house day, they look the other way...
          until life is dispatched with a thud.

          Is it that they don't know? - Or that they don't care?
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by ThomM
          What kills me is you see a rise in Autism, a rise in cancers, a rise in Alzheimers, a rise in birth defects, children becoming physically mature earlier and mentally mature later, and a raise in genetically engineered foods in our food system, and nobody sees a connection.
          Thom, I was just talking to my grama who will be 96 next month, and we were discussing those very things!

          We were talking about how old she is and still pretty healthy and why that was.

          We discussed the things you mentioned and she said, and I quote...How did everybody become so stupid? Look what they're doing to themselves and everyone else! I know, she says, as if she just had an epiphany, it's all about making money! Huh? Who knew following money could make you stupid?

          She always cracks me up!

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          • Profile picture of the author JustVisiting
            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            ...How did everybody become so stupid? ....it's all about making money!
            Exactly.

            Big business are only interested in profits.
            Research and manufacture of this artificial and modified sh#t employs a lot of people. Food, Pharmaceuticals, Cosmetics etc.
            Governments like businesses employing lots of people and making big profits because this equals big tax revenues for them.

            There would also be much social unrest if these jobs and businesses disappeared. Catch 22. We need this crap to finance our society yet we will prematurely kill ourselves.

            Any food or drug they say is "safe" is b/s. Truth is nobody knows but common sense suggests that most of the sh#t they produce is unproven at the very least.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          What kills me is you see a rise in Autism, a rise in cancers, a rise in Alzheimers, a rise in birth defects, children becoming physically mature earlier and mentally mature later, and a raise in genetically engineered foods in our food system, and nobody sees a connection.
          It depends what you mean by a "connection". I think a lot of people see an association; what's sometimes harder for people to see (though certainly not for want of trying) is a causative correlation.

          By the way, sorry (honestly!) to be so pedantic and argumentative, but in most of the Western world and a lot of the rest of the world too, there's actually been a substantial overall fall in birth defects, not a rise, for the last few decades. (The main underlying reasons for that are actually fairly striking and obvious, if you think about them?)
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          • Profile picture of the author ThomM
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            It depends what you mean by a "connection". I think a lot of people see an association; what's sometimes harder for people to see (though certainly not for want of trying) is a causative correlation.

            By the way, sorry (honestly!) to be so pedantic and argumentative, but in most of the Western world and a lot of the rest of the world too, there's actually been a substantial overall fall in birth defects, not a rise, for the last few decades. (The main underlying reasons for that are actually fairly striking and obvious, if you think about them?)
            Don't be that's when you're at your best
            They may be declining, but I think this is still a pretty high number for the US.
            About one in every 33 babies is born with a birth defect.
            CDC - Birth Defects Home - NCBDDD
            Now I know there has been a decline in deaths from birth defects
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Says
    Yea, when humans are no longer existent on the planet, there's going to be some chaotic things going on because of everything we've caused.

    I just hate that they are only worrying about what's going on right now and not the future.
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    Note: This article was Published: September 3, 2010

    Thom of course your right.
    And don't take offense at this Justin,just using your generation as an example, but just as kids Justin age don't know and never have known a world without all the technology, they really haven't know a world without both those diseases and the foods and changes that are causing them,so its just business as usual to them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Justin Says
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Note: This article was Published: September 3, 2010

      Thom of course your right.
      And don't take offense at this Justin,just using your generation as an example, but just as kids Justin age don't know and never have known a world without all the technology, they really haven't know a world without both those diseases and the foods and changes that are causing them,so its just business as usual to them.
      It kind of makes me sad to bring children into this world..

      I was around when there were still VCR's and we had black and white tv's when I was a kid.

      My children will likely never get to see many of the things I did growing up and of course, I wasn't able to see many of the things you were.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    "A salmon genetically engineered to grow quickly is safe to eat and poses little risk to the environment, the Food and Drug Administration said Friday. "
    ...I wouldn't believe the FDA if they told me my name was Dennis. I'd go check my birth certificate. They have no credibility in my mind.

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    It's a shame, too, Justin, that kids will never know what it was like to have REAL food. With the attacks on organic farms, raw milk, and refusal to even label GMO's, they will never know the real taste of many foods that they eat.

    I can look back on the hot summer days that my mom would send me out with a salt shaker and a jackknife, and I ate out of the gardens and orchards all day. I remember fruits and veggies so juicy that it would stream down your chin when you bit into them. In the next few years if we don't act fast (and millions are but we need every hand on deck now) real food will be regulated right off the shelves and will be unobtainable to all but the severely wealthy.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Sal,
    you're right.
    Some things I remember, watching a chicken get its head cut of and the whole process of plucking it and getting it ready to be cooked and eaten. ( I think people really need an understanding of where real food came from).
    Going out in the fields and picking plums and apples off the trees and going back to the farmhouse and making and canning plum and apple jellies.

    I bet I could ask 100 people about either process and the majority wouldn't have a clue.



    Justin, I don't remember your exact age,but having vcrs around doesn't surprise me, but having a b&w television does.
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    • Profile picture of the author Young Samurai
      Hello again Justin,

      I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I've grave suspicions of all things GM.

      And as for changes over the years, I remember: my parent's first TV was B&W, the introduction of calculators into my primary school, the very first computer in my secondary school (a BBC Micro), the first email I sent (on a VAX 11/750 - it took up an entire room. My smartphone has higher specs than that monster), and the first time I saw Windows at university (DOS and UNIX up til that point.)

      My kids think I'm a dinosaur. They can't comprehend a world without these conveniences.
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