Specific question on finding writing clients here. (Pardon the tired topic; serious situation.)

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Hi there, everyone!

First the TL;DR version: do you think posting a Warriors for Hire ad offering $10/800 words would bring me a reasonable amount of work (say, $300's worth)? At the moment, I can't afford to throw grocery money away on an ad that gets me no ROI.

Now the details:

First of all, I'm posting down here because I don't think it's really fair when service providers post in the main forum asking for "advice" when it's obvious they're after free advertising.

Long whine short, I had a major expense and am now scraping by to buy food and make rent this month. I am really flippin' scared and ticked of at myself, too. :-/

I want to post a Warriors for Hire ad, but I can't decide on what to charge. Not long ago, I posted an ad offering $5/500 words and hardly got any takers, yet I see people charging more (even without tons of "testimonials") and getting clients. I'd say $5/500 words might look suspiciously cheap, but the folks charging $2/500 words seem to get plenty of work.

I'm thinking of offering $10/800 words (yes, 800 not 500) and limiting it to 25-30 articles. I would offer other services, too, like ebook writing. Normally, I'd just give it a try, but right now I can't afford to throw away even $20. I pretty much have no income at the moment.

I'm also planning on cold-calling businesses and bidding on odesk and elance. I'm wondering if the $20 might be better invested in elance proposal points.

I was averaging around $17/500 words with one client and I'm at $20/500 words with another, but now the latter company is having technical difficulties, so I can't get much work done. I just started with Constant Content and sold an article for $45 (and another for around $25). My online long-form sales pages convert reasonably well (although I'm obviously lousy at getting traffic.) So I don't think the quality of my work will be a problem.

It just seems like most buyers here need bulk filler material and are more interested in low price than high quality. I just want to use my remaining cash wisely, whether for an ad or not.

Thanks for any advice, soothing words of comfort or nice cups of tea!
  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    Originally Posted by A.Green View Post

    Hi there, everyone!

    First the TL;DR version: do you think posting a Warriors for Hire ad offering $10/800 words would bring me a reasonable amount of work (say, $300's worth)? At the moment, I can't afford to throw grocery money away on an ad that gets me no ROI.

    Now the details:

    First of all, I'm posting down here because I don't think it's really fair when service providers post in the main forum asking for "advice" when it's obvious they're after free advertising.

    Long whine short, I had a major expense and am now scraping by to buy food and make rent this month. I am really flippin' scared and ticked of at myself, too. :-/

    I want to post a Warriors for Hire ad, but I can't decide on what to charge. Not long ago, I posted an ad offering $5/500 words and hardly got any takers, yet I see people charging more (even without tons of "testimonials") and getting clients. I'd say $5/500 words might look suspiciously cheap, but the folks charging $2/500 words seem to get plenty of work.

    I'm thinking of offering $10/800 words (yes, 800 not 500) and limiting it to 25-30 articles. I would offer other services, too, like ebook writing. Normally, I'd just give it a try, but right now I can't afford to throw away even $20. I pretty much have no income at the moment.

    I'm also planning on cold-calling businesses and bidding on odesk and elance. I'm wondering if the $20 might be better invested in elance proposal points.

    I was averaging around $17/500 words with one client and I'm at $20/500 words with another, but now the latter company is having technical difficulties, so I can't get much work done. I just started with Constant Content and sold an article for $45 (and another for around $25). My online long-form sales pages convert reasonably well (although I'm obviously lousy at getting traffic.) So I don't think the quality of my work will be a problem.

    It just seems like most buyers here need bulk filler material and are more interested in low price than high quality. I just want to use my remaining cash wisely, whether for an ad or not.

    Thanks for any advice, soothing words of comfort or nice cups of tea!
    I am always looking for quality, and a decent price.
    PM me, maybe we can work something out.

    The last person i tried to work with that was supposedly in the same position.
    turned out that he was full of crap, an absolutely horrible at copy.

    If your for real, great, maybe we can work something out. if your not
    please don't waste my time. I have a great BS meter, it will be on
    until we get to know and trust you.
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  • Profile picture of the author lanceg
    Hey, I sympathize with your situation. My question to you is what would make your offer stand out from all the other writers offering their services here and elsewhere? If you're going to spend money on an ad when you're strapped for cash, then you really need to make the offer so compelling that you KNOW you'll get plenty of customers contacting you. Do you have great testimonials on a website that displays samples of high quality content you've created? If not, then you should at least offer to send a sample of your work to customers who request to see it. And if you have positive testimonials then be sure to include them in your ad.

    However, based on the desperation in your description, I would suggest focusing your efforts on low-paying gigs as well as the higher paying opportunities. When you have a little more room to breathe financially then you can focus on the higher quality gigs and clients.

    Rather than pay for an ad here out of pocket, why not focus on free advertising instead? Are you aware that you can advertise in your signature right here in the Warrior forum for free? You can create a gig on Fiverr (and other similar sites) for free. I just created my first gig there about a couple of hours ago. Tomorrow I'm going to create and upload a video to my gig, and then upload the video to various video sharing sites as well. Why? So my gig will hopefully get on the first page when people search for "Articles" in Fiverr.

    Once I've got a few orders under my belt along with some positive testimonials, I'm confident I'll keep busy based on satisfied customers coming back and spreading the word. Plus I'll keep marketing my gig regularly. Will I get rich doing this? Hell no...but it will put some cash in my pocket in the short-term.

    In the near future I'll have a website set up with samples of my work and glowing testimonials singing my praises. At that point I can focus on landing higher-paying gigs and gradually weaning myself off the easy-to-find lower-paying gigs. But I'm not there yet...right now I'm focusing on providing a better offer than my competition and then doing what I can to get as many views of my gig as possible.

    Nobody wants to work for peanuts, but sometimes you have to. Especially when you're almost out of peanuts.

    Good luck to you!
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Write and/or post some examples of your work if you place an ad.
    If its really quality stuff, you will get buyers.

    "It just seems like most buyers here need bulk filler material and are more interested in low price than high quality."

    See what I said above. While I think you are right about some of the people here wanting filler, I'd say there are just as many that want the quality content and will pay a fair price for it. I don't buy a lot of copy,articles or otherwise,but I definitely look for quality over price.
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  • Profile picture of the author A.Green
    Ken,

    Thank you for the offer. I completely understand your wariness. Too many people out there taking advantage of others. And I really do hate to come off like a beggar. I'll PM you the link to my site and if you like what you see, we can take it from there.

    Lance,

    Thanks for your post. I get where you're coming from, but if I focus on low-paying gigs, I'll never get out of this situation. Ever. I've been treading water since last autumn, so I have to do something different.

    I tried out Fiverr a while ago and got 12 positive reviews on my writing gig before I suspended it. Recently posted another writing-related one (not articles) and have 1 positive review on that. That's nice and all, but good reviews from people paying only $5 aren't worth much. They buyers' expectations were probably so low it would have been hard to disappoint them.

    You're right about the sig function! I'm in the middle of setting up a new site and would rather not post my current one.

    Kim,

    Thanks for the vote of confidence. Maybe that's the best idea. I mean, even one $20 article would pay for the ad. I'm just now remembering Dr. Mani suggested the same thing in his guide. Hmm.... Geez, I think I need to grow a pair. ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    A - Alison? Alice? Ann? Whatever. I am sending you a PM - not looking for writers but have something to say you may want to strongly consider.
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      A - Alison? Alice? Ann? Whatever. I am sending you a PM - not looking for writers but have something to say you may want to strongly consider.
      Sal,
      I going to take a stab at this one:
      A, A,A,
      I think I got it, A = Anna!
      damn I'm good.
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      • Profile picture of the author A.Green
        Originally Posted by KimW View Post

        damn I'm good.
        Psychics are real! :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author A.Green
    Sal,

    I've just replied to your PM. Thanks!

    -- Anna :-)
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