What Has Happened To Heinz Ketchup?

yukon

Banned 14 years ago

Lol, ketchup.

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Robert_Rand

14 years ago

It's a ketchup conspiracy, and I think John Kerry is definitely involved...

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Robert Michael

14 years ago

I use Hunts, always liked it better.

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by waterotter

They have begun using LiquiGlide. Its a coating applied to the inside of glass and plastic bottles. The super slippery, non-toxic coating prevents condiments such as mayo, ketchup and peanut butter from sticking to the sides of their containers.

Dang - I thought you were kidding until I saw Terra's comment and then the video. That leaves me with one question...

It's non-toxic (safe) according to who?

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waterotter

14 years ago

They have begun using LiquiGlide. Its a coating applied to the inside of glass and plastic bottles. The super slippery, non-toxic coating prevents condiments such as mayo, ketchup and peanut butter from sticking to the sides of their containers.

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MissTerraK

14 years ago

Jody has answered part of your question rather brilliantly! Excellent Jody!

But I have to ask Steve, regarding the watery part...did you shake it first?

Terra

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Jody has answered part of your question rather brilliantly! Excellent Jody!

But I have ask Steve, regarding the watery part...did you shake it first?

Terra

Hmmm....um...uh....no.

Maybe that'll help?

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Dan Riffle

14 years ago

Originally Posted by waterotter

They have begun using LiquiGlide.

Whatever you do, don't confuse this with Astro Glide.

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waterotter

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Dang - I thought you were kidding until I saw the Terra's comment and then the video. That leaves me with one question...

It's non-toxic (safe) according to who?

Not sure just how safe it is Dennis. They claim ingredients used are FDA Approved Materials. :confused:

Nope! The coating is made entirely from food materials; no nanoparticles to worry about. Even if you scraped off the coating with a knife and ate it, it would be completely harmless and flavorless.

Source: LiquiGlide » FAQs

"One of the most significant challenges his team faced was making sure the coating was food safe, meaning his team could only work with materials the FDA had approved. "We had a limited amount of materials to pick from," Smith says. "I can't say what they are, but we've patented the hell out of it."

Source: MIT's Freaky Non-Stick Coating Keeps Ketchup Flowing | Co.Exist: World changing ideas and innovation

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Whatever you do, don't confuse this with Astro Glide.

LiquiGlide Homepage: LiquiGlide

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HeySal 14 years ago

Originally Posted by waterotter

Not sure just how safe it is Dennis. They claim ingredients used are FDA Approved Materials. :confused:

That doesn't mean anything. FDA approved just means the company has enough bucks to buy an approval.

Steve - better check that ketchup label out a tad. It's probably made with some GMO ingredients, too. That was the first major thing that happened to ketchup, and part of the reason it just doesn't taste the same anymore.
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dannyv 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Whatever you do, don't confuse this with Astro Glide.

Damnit. I knew something was off.
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waterotter

14 years ago

Steven, maybe this will help demonstrate it for you.

LiquiGlide Ketchup Bottle - YouTube

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14 years ago

The economy has ruined the tomato quality of our nation. =(

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Jody, Sal beat me to it, but I wouldn't trust the FDA for anything. They have been proven to be corrupt. Thanks for the info though.

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MikeAmbrosio

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Jody, Sal beat me to it, but I wouldn't trust the FDA for anything. They have been proven to be corrupt. Thanks for the info though.

While I don't disagree with the corrupt part, the fact of the matter the FDA approves MANY things for "human consumption" that would make you cringe...

Such as rat fur and feces (up to a certain amount)

The fact of the matter is we can't avoid a lot of the substances that get approved, so they approve AMOUNTS of questionable items.

Being in the pharmaceutical industry for 22 years I see a lot of this kind of thing. In the manufacturing process of foods and drugs, things get in to the mix. For example, we use "food grade" grease and oils on the processing equipment. We don't add it to the product, but it is on the equipment and could (and routinely does) get in the mix.

It's easy to simply call them all corrupt, but much of this we can't avoid - unless you want to grow all your own food and make your own drugs, you take the bad with the good

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by lcombs

Sorry 'bout that.

But, now you know why it's such an exclusive club.

I will say I live just north west of Cincinnati. So, if care to make the trip you may be allowed a sampling.

Checked with my wife on that road trip idea ... she says it's too far to go to try a different brand of ketchup. Women -- sheesh!

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

While I don't disagree with the corrupt part, the fact of the matter the FDA approves MANY things for "human consumption" that would make you cringe...

Such as rat fur and feces (up to a certain amount)

Yeah Mike, I'm aware of that. The kind of corruption I'm referring to is this: FDA "Corruption" Letter Authenticated: Lawyers, Start Your Engines! - CBS News

Just about anything can be approved if you have enough money, and useful things can be denied if those who stand to lose profits have the money to thwart the developers efforts to get approval.

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MikeAmbrosio

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Yeah Mike, I'm aware of that. The kind of corruption I'm referring to is this: FDA "Corruption" Letter Authenticated: Lawyers, Start Your Engines! - CBS News

Just about anything can be approved if you have enough money, and useful things can be denied if those who stand to lose profits have the money to thwart the developers efforts to get approval.

Unfortunately, just about any organization (large or small, private or government) has some level of corruption. Some are just worse than others

It's all about the bucks.

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

Unfortunately, just about any organization (large or small, private or government) has some level of corruption. Some are just worse than others

It's all about the bucks.

Yes sir ... understood. I'm one of those crazy people who think when serious corruption is exposed, heads should roll. In the case of our government, that means loss of job and loss of pension, and jail and fines as appropriate.

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Well, I got the answer from my wife. Actually, this is something that should be
known to everybody.

It started with the all natural craze. Early Heinz had fillers and stuff in it to
make it thick. But then when a lot of foods started going all natural, they
changed their formula, or lack thereof. So that's why the Ketchup isn't as thick
as it used to be.

Come to think of it, Heinz used to make me sick sometimes. Now it doesn't
anymore.

Anyway, that's the scoop.

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Kay King

14 years ago

Moral of the story: ask your wife first...she probably knows the answer

I've noticed several times when a product I remember as being "really good" just isn't as good when you buy it today...it could be removing bad stuff wasn't limited to ketchup. More proof that if it tastes really great....it's probably bad for you.

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seasoned

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Moral of the story: ask your wife first...she probably knows the answer

I've noticed several times when a product I remember as being "really good" just isn't as good when you buy it today...it could be removing bad stuff wasn't limited to ketchup. More proof that if it tastes really great....it's probably bad for you.

Actually, I don't remember ANYTHING bad in ketchup. And a LOT of the time they ADD bad stuff, or make things WORSE! An example?

I keep being offered "salt" at a local restaurant. I would LOVE salt! I WANTED salt! But I do NOT accept THEIRS! WHY? Two reasons. one, not all of the "salt" is salt! TWO, it has anticaking components, etc... that contain ALUMINUM! *****NO THANKS*****! Salt used to be salt, with the main added ingredient being iodine.

Or how abut when I was a LITTLE kid, and peanut butter separated! It doesn't generally NOW! WHY? USUALLY because the oils are hydrogenated. It makes them almost like cool butter, even well above room temperature. ALSO, it can keep longer after being opened even though they remved the vitamin E that would otherwise do that.

Oh I could keep going. MOST stuff when I was a kid was SAFER than now.

BTW Some people feel bad after taking PURE tomatos, so that doesn't mean much.

Steve

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kenmichaels

14 years ago

is it just me?,

but when that ketchup slides out, it looks disgusting ...

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waterotter

14 years ago

Sal,

That doesn't mean anything. FDA approved just means the company has enough bucks to buy an approval.

Please don't interpret my responses as endorsing this. I was simply answering the OP and follow-up questions.

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Dennis Gaskill 14 years ago

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

is it just me?,

but when that ketchup slides out, it looks disgusting ...

It reminds me of an old expression I heard people say in my youth...

...slicker than snot on a doorknob.

Originally Posted by waterotter

Sal,

Please don't interpret my responses as endorsing this. I was simply answering the OP and follow-up questions.

I know you replied to Sal but I posted a similar comment, just so you know, I didn't take it as an endorsement.
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HeySal 14 years ago

Originally Posted by waterotter

Sal,

Please don't interpret my responses as endorsing this. I was simply answering the OP and follow-up questions.

No I know better than that. The comment was for all the uninformed that say "oh, okay" and continue to eat poisonous crap - or spray roundup on their veggies.
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garyv

14 years ago

Someone posted that video to me on facebook a couple of weeks ago, and I thought then that it was a really bad idea. I get that this new material is really neat, but there has to be some better use for it than a catchup bottle. There are some companies - (and I could have sworn that Heinz was one of them) - that use the thickness of their catchup in many marketing campaigns. And while making the catchup come out faster may not effect the taste, it does look disgusting.

What would be a better use of this material?

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waterotter

14 years ago

garyv,

What would be a better use of this material?

"The Story Behind LiquiGlide

At first, LiquiGlide was not intended to be used for bottles, instead it was supposed to be used for anti-icing or anti-clogging coating."

"Even though the focus has been on food packaging, the group hopes its coating could have other applications in oil pipes, gas lines and windshields, among other things (Gizmag). LiquiGlide is going to sneak up on the food industry in dramatic fashion really soon."

Source: LiquiGlide: The Solution To An Irritating Problem

Scary stuff.

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seasoned

14 years ago

BYE ketchup of my youth! We should SUE them for false advertising! Anyone remember THIS world famous ad campaign?

classic Heinz Ketchup Anticipation TV ad 1979 -...

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seasoned

14 years ago

BTW, I read the liquiglide FAQ. It is NOTHING of the sort. NONE of my questions were answered!

Non toxic generally means doesn't kill when under a certain amount is used. FDA approved means, LEGALLY AND OFFICIALLY, that the FDA has declared it to be reasonably safe.

The FDA has like 3 levels of "approval".

1. Drugs SHOULD mean that the rewards generally outweigh the risks. So a HIGHLY toxic compound can be FDA approved if it has a chance at saving people that will die ANYWAY.
2. Foods SHOULD mean it is GRAS(generally recognized as safe), or considered to be relatively harmless. Even products known to trigger allergies, destroy kidneys, and cause violent(let's say bathroom visits) have gotten this.
3. SUPPLEMENT SHOULD mean NOTHING! Out of jurisdiction.....

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HeySal

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

BTW, I read the liquiglide FAQ. It is NOTHING of the sort. NONE of my questions were answered!

Non toxic generally means doesn't kill when under a certain amount is used. FDA approved means, LEGALLY AND OFFICIALLY, that the FDA has declared it to be reasonably safe.

The FDA has like 3 levels of "approval".

1. Drugs SHOULD mean that the rewards generally outweigh the risks. So a HIGHLY toxic compound can be FDA approved if it has a chance at saving people that will die ANYWAY.
2. Foods SHOULD mean it is GRAS(generally recognized as safe), or considered to be relatively harmless. Even products known to trigger allergies, destroy kidneys, and cause violent(let's say bathroom visits) have gotten this.
3. SUPPLEMENT SHOULD mean NOTHING! Out of jurisdiction.....

Steve

Yep - that's what it's SUPPOSED to mean. Unfortunately - the companies are allowed to submit their OWN research on their OWN products and much does not get verified and some is even allowed to be sold to accumulate the research. Look at pharmaceuticals and the list of side effects. You want to stop a headache? Some of what's out there is the leading cause of kidney and liver faillure......to cure a headache? Sorry - FDA is purely a financial institution. You get approved if you have the money to get approved or if your product doesn't deter people from using the lethal products of a company with the money to stop you.

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seasoned

14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Yep - that's what it's SUPPOSED to mean. Unfortunately - the companies are allowed to submit their OWN research on their OWN products and much does not get verified and some is even allowed to be sold to accumulate the research. Look at pharmaceuticals and the list of side effects. You want to stop a headache? Some of what's out there is the leading cause of kidney and liver faillure......to cure a headache? Sorry - FDA is purely a financial institution. You get approved if you have the money to get approved or if your product doesn't deter people from using the lethal products of a company with the money to stop you.

YEP. I DID list REAL examples. Some cancer treatments are KNOWN to be HIGHLY lethal. The FDA says "for terminally ill", and "approves it". Ibuprofin is KNOWN to cause liver damage, and I believe kidney also. The liver kind of protects the kidneys anyway, so something hurting the liver WILL eventually hurt the kidneys. Luckily, with most types of damage, even a 50% dead liver can recover. much past that, and you are a goner! As house says, there IS a reason why it is called a LIVEr! The liver is the ONLY organ able to do that.

Some fake fats, flavors, and sweetners can cause bathroom incidents, etc...

Steve

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MikeAmbrosio

14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Yep - that's what it's SUPPOSED to mean. Unfortunately - the companies are allowed to submit their OWN research on their OWN products and much does not get verified and some is even allowed to be sold to accumulate the research. Look at pharmaceuticals and the list of side effects. You want to stop a headache? Some of what's out there is the leading cause of kidney and liver faillure......to cure a headache? Sorry - FDA is purely a financial institution. You get approved if you have the money to get approved or if your product doesn't deter people from using the lethal products of a company with the money to stop you.

Part of the problem with agencies like the FDA (and others) is they are run by bureaucrats that used to be CEO's in some of the companies being regulated. Bit of a conflict there, eh?

And yes - the FDA IS a money making entity. They get annual payments from pharmaceutical companies every year. Large ones. These payments are not mandatory or even asked for. They are just paid. Makes you wonder (not).

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lcombs

14 years ago

The problem, Steven my friend, is that, apparently, you have yet to discover Brooks "Rich and Tangy" Ketchup.
If you had, this thread would not exist.

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KimW

14 years ago

Originally Posted by lcombs

The problem, Steven my friend, is that, apparently, you have yet to discover Brooks "Rich and Tangy" Ketchup.
If you had, this thread would not exist.

Sounds like a regional brand, never heard of it.
I also have never heard of Dukes Mayonaise either till I moved to Richmond.

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

Sounds like a regional brand, never heard of it.
I also have never heard of Dukes Mayonaise either till I moved to Richmond.

I've never heard of it either, so I Googled it. They don't seem to have a website, though other sites sell it. One site said this about it, "Today, the Brooks brand is owned by our friends at Birds Eye Foods and has very limited distribution."

Explains why we haven't heard of it.

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lcombs

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I've never heard of it either, so I Googled it. They don't seem to have a website, though other sites sell it. One site said this about it, "Today, the Brooks brand is owned by our friends at Birds Eye Foods and has very limited distribution."

Explains why we haven't heard of it.

Damn shame is all I can say.
It's head and shoulders above the rest.:p

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KimW 14 years ago

Originally Posted by lcombs

Damn shame is all I can say.
It's head and shoulders above the rest.:p

No, that's another brand.
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  Originally Posted by KimW
  
  No, that's another brand.
  
  AHH!
  I stand corrected.
  Thank you Kim.
  
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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by lcombs

Damn shame is all I can say.
It's head and shoulders above the rest.:p

Well, if you really want to convince me of that you'll send me a bottle.

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lcombs

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Well, if you really want to convince me of that you'll send me a bottle.

I'd love to but, that would break the Brooks Rich And Tangy Ketchup
code of ethics.:rolleyes:

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by lcombs

I'd love to but, that would break the Brooks Rich And Tangy Ketchup
code of ethics.:rolleyes:

They have rich and tangy ketchup and a code of ethics?!

Wow.

Seriously though, now I'm going to wonder what it tastes like until this thread get buried. Dang you! I should give you an infraction for that. :rolleyes:

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lcombs

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

They have rich and tangy ketchup and a code of ethics?!

Wow.

Seriously though, now I'm going to wonder what it tastes like until this thread get buried. Dang you! I should give you an infraction for that. :rolleyes:

Sorry 'bout that.

But, now you know why it's such an exclusive club.

I will say I live just north west of Cincinnati. So, if care to make the trip you may be allowed a sampling.

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seasoned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by lcombs

The problem, Steven my friend, is that, apparently, you have yet to discover Brooks "Rich and Tangy" Ketchup.
If you had, this thread would not exist.

I once went to a customer that told me THEY used to be the leader in ketchup. I thnk they said that TO THIS DAY they use more tomatos than anyone else. And I DO get a lot of tomatos from them every year. Several popular drinks, and I used to have ther soup. MMMM MMM GOOD! And YEAH, I watched lassie. My mother even went to a seamstress that had weatherwax as a customer!

Alas, something happened and HEINZ became the ketchup leader! NOW, as to my little seemingly off topic Monologue? Well, most Americans probably pieced it together at least somewhat. I spoke at a company get together with some old hands that told me CAMPBELLS was once the leader. They are mostly known for soup and, in those days, such companies sponsored whole programs. They sponsored the lassies series and advertised their soup saying it was "mmm mmm good". Many may not realize, but they have several subsidiaries. One is V8, which uses a LOT of tomatos. BTW Lassies trainer was rudd weatherwax, brother to his owner. Yeah, lassie(an irish term for GIRL) was MALE

Oh well. Sorry I didn't try YOUR ketchup.

Steve!
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14 years ago

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Alexa Smith

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I gotta ask...what the hell has happened to Heinz Ketchup?

Well, funny you should ask ...

He had a few of his posts deleted, through no fault of his own (you know how it is - he just happened to have posted in some threads which the moderators decided, in their wisdom, we could all probably survive without), but unfortunately he took it all a bit personally, wouldn't listen to the voice of reason, and kept starting off those unpleasant threads with titles like "Why Are My Damn Posts Disappearing", and then eventually, when it was patiently explained to him that it was nothing to do with his posts per se and that he shouldn't be starting off new threads to ask about it, he started developing paranoid delusions (just because nobody was actually out to get him doesn't mean that he wasn't paranoid, right?) and gradually became convinced, against all the odds, that there was a conspiracy here against people with apparently Germanic-sounding first names, and after that, well, you get the idea - one thing led to another and it just seemed right for him to have some vacation time. Besides which, he was getting pretty overcolored and frankly somewhat watery, too ...

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Dan Riffle

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Well, funny you should ask ...

He had a few of his posts deleted, through no fault of his own (you know how it is - he just happened to have posted in some threads which the moderators decided, in their wisdom, we could all probably survive without), but unfortunately he took it all a bit personally, wouldn't listen to the voice of reason, and kept starting off those unpleasant threads with titles like "Why Are My Damn Posts Disappearing", and then eventually, when it was patiently explained to him that it was nothing to do with his posts per se and that he shouldn't be starting off new threads to ask about it, he started developing paranoid delusions (just because nobody was actually out to get him doesn't mean that he wasn't paranoid, right?) and gradually became convinced, against all the odds, that there was a conspiracy here against people with apparently Germanic-sounding first names, and after that, well, you get the idea - one thing led to another and it just seemed right for him to have some vacation time. Besides which, he was getting pretty overcolored and frankly somewhat watery, too ...

Alexa, have you been snorting ketchup again?

I guess interventions don't always work...

Sad day.

Sad, sad day...

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hardraysnight

14 years ago

i only use tomato sauce so outside my area of expertise

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14 years ago

It is probably the new way of doing business. "Get less for more"

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Daniel Evans

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Remember the days when you'd tip the bottle and the ketchup took forever to
come out?

I have this bottle now where the stuff runs out it's so watery.

So I gotta ask...what the hell has happened to Heinz Ketchup?

It's possible they changed the formula so that the squirty bottles would do exactly that. The original sauce might have been too thick.

They might have then used the same formula for both squirty and glass bottles.

I never did like the glass bottles. It only ever resulted in a sauce overdose and wastage though the ritual of smacking the bottom of the bottle was fun I guess.

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Kay King 14 years ago

I buy the 32 oz Heinz in the plastic bottle that stores in the fridge upside down. No problem getting it out, not runny, and it doesn't seem to "slide" off the inside of the bottle so that one may not be coated.

And, yes, shake it as it does separate a bit on standing.
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