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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    Are you kidding? That's subtle stuff, even if there is double meaning there. Besides easy access to myriad things on Internet, kids play graphically realistic video games (blood pouring and everything), some of which are pretty much hands-on courses on how to commit crimes. Kids have actually gone on to commit the crimes that they learned to do from video games.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      Are you kidding? That's subtle stuff, even if there is double meaning there. Besides easy access to myriad things on Internet, kids play graphically realistic video games (blood pouring and everything), some of which are pretty much hands-on courses on how to commit crimes. Kids have actually gone on to commit the crimes that they learned to do from video games.
      Oh yes the video games....... yes, that is probably the worst culprit these days I think. My kids joke that if they got killed they would just RESPAWN, because that's what happens on video games.

      Like you said though, some people have commited crimes that they learned on video games, I wonder how many people are delusional enough to believe that they may actually respawn
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

        No I'm not kidding, why would I be? Are you seriously going to defend this crap? Young people arent stupid they know what it means even if its just subconsciously.

        If that's true, why does that give you reason to defend this music? I'd say music effects kids a lot more than video games. Most of these kids who play violent video games probably are a little crazy in the first place and I'm yet to come across one that has gone on to murder anyone. Unlike many teens and young kids I see who are clearly influenced by this type of music.
        He wasn't defending it, just stating that it is very mild to what is really out there.
        Take the crap/rap music ,add to it things like UFC"sports",and movies like fight club,and I am grouping all similar events in the same category and you are headed in the right direction as to what's wrong.
        I think its a sick society that encourages activities such as these.

        Yeah,I know that's not a popular opinion to have nowadays.
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        • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          He wasn't defending it, just stating that it is very mild to what is really out there.<snip>
          You put it much better than I did. I didn't mean to sound like I was condoning or defending such songs. Kids are exposed to extreme violence and irresponsible hyper-sexuality. It definitely is psychologically damaging to some kids.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

        If that's true, why does that give you reason to defend this music?
        Ernie, I don't think Thunderbird is defending it. He just meant that there's much worse out there than what you mentioned.


        Edit: Ah, Kim beat me to the punch.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
            Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

            I understand now, but if he thinks violent video games is worse than a song about blow jobs that kids/teens hear along with the sexual video clips than there is something really wrong. They're not even close.
            Personally, I'm 50/50 on that. I'll agree that kids are too highly sexualized these days, but the amount and level of violence that is considered kid-friendly today worries me just as much. Nudity and sex are a perfectly acceptable part of life -- at the appropriate time. Murdering people is not. I'd much rather catch my kid having sex than chopping up my neighbor into little pieces and setting his remains on fire.

            However, I don't want to derail your thread with an expansive debate on the subject because you are spot on in your OP.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    I'm not going to argue with you. I don't know this song but there's a chance my kids might. And it's not the only song, I was shocked one day when I heard my son, who was 8 or 9 at the time, singing the lyrics to a song that went.....

    sticks and stones my break my bones
    but chains and whips excite me

    This stuff is everywhere, it's not just music. Look at all the TV shows these days. When I was a kid we watched Brady Bunch and Bewitched..... very innocent. These days the kids want to watch Family Guy, Operation Repo and Two and a Half Men (among others). I won't let my kids watch some of this stuff, but so many TV shows have references to things that TV shows weren't allowed many years ago.

    Don't get me started on the stuff they pick up at school these days....
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    You know the type of song I WISH would be top of the charts and considered ideal? Listen to THIS music and the idea...


    Too much music is about killing, murder, revenge, etc.... I heard a story once of a chinese emporer that would review music from different areas to determine what they were like.

    Some of you may HATE my guts, but I don't have ANY raunchy or nasty music. It covers several genres, but is rather sedate. A lot of it CELIBRATES things. THIS song talks about a guy that was once very poor, and now isn't, and has been many places, but mostly just appreciates his family. The view is great from his porch, but he likes what is INSIDE better.

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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      You know the type of song I WISH would be top of the charts and considered ideal? Listen to THIS music and the idea...

      lonestar~my front porch looking in~ - YouTube

      Too much music is about killing, murder, revenge, etc.... I heard a story once of a chinese emporer that would review music from different areas to determine what they were like.

      Some of you may HATE my guts, but I don't have ANY raunchy or nasty music. It covers several genres, but is rather sedate. A lot of it CELIBRATES things. THIS song talks about a guy that was once very poor, and now isn't, and has been many places, but mostly just appreciates his family. The view is great from his porch, but he likes what is INSIDE better.

      Steve
      Steve, I have one song I can think of right of the bat that could be called raunchy,but it came on an album I bought and I didn't know anything about the song when I bought the album.
      Other songs I have might be considered risque and/or humourus,but not outright disgustingly gross or perverted.
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  • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
    Personally, I'm more disturbed by the underlying thoughts of today's "music". The 'old days' - the 70s and 80s - had plenty of songs filled with sexual innuendo. Springsteen's "I'm on Fire" and "Born to Run", Joan Jett's "Do You Want to Touch Me", even the Bee Gees with "Love You Inside and Out" and "Alone", and so many more.

    There were other, more explicit songs in the 'underground' circuit, but even then, most of the songs that went there were about plain ol' lusty sex that kept teens busy in the back of their parent's cars, not the degradation of women that seems common nowadays.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sumit Menon
      And while you are on patrol, have a listen. It was quite popular recently -

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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

      Another note about video games. Kids know they are just games and I don't think any kids, teens or adults for that matter look up to a video game character and admire them...like people do with celebs and singers.<snip>
      It looks to me like you're just writing stuff off the top of your head. Speculating. Video games enable players to actually commit what appears to be graphic violence. Does it lead to crime? Here's an example:
      Can A Video Game Lead To Murder? - CBS News

      "After his capture, Moore is reported to have told police, "Life is like a video game. Everybody's got to die sometime." Moore is awaiting trial in criminal court. A suit filed by the families of two of his victims claims that Moore acted out a scenario found in Grand Theft Auto: The player is a street thug trying to take over the city. In one scenario, the player can enter a police precinct, steal a uniform, free a convict from jail, escape by shooting police, and flee in a squad car."

      Got any examples of those songs you mentioned leading to such actions?
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        • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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          Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

          But is it possible there could be some minor effect?
          The only one would be, like someone mentioned earlier, giving them a possible methodology for their actions. A lack of video games doesn't mean they would have committed crime X, just that they probably wouldn't have had a simulation beforehand. Big deal. Crime has been going on since the beginning of society. Video games didn't change anything.

          Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

          Possibly, but if we where to pick on video games, we would have to pick on nearly everything else in life and fixing every area is just unrealistic.
          Self contradiction in 3,2,1...

          Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

          Music is different, because it has a huge brainwashing effect on us and it IS effecting so many kids/teens/adults.
          To you music is different. To Thunderbird video games are different. You're both doing the same thing to different types of media.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Video games have been accused of the destruction of kids in peticular and society in general since they were invented. Just like television was.
    Of course I used to laugh at the idea of TV destroying society but just looking at the shows put on nowadays I'm starting to agree with whoever made that observation years ago. They were ahead of their time.

    Sumit,
    That song was popular for a while and still must be to a certain extent. I still see posts using it in various contexts. I get the inuenndo,but not the appeal of the song.

    As far as video cames being the cause of moral decline of values in children, I'm undecided.
    When I was a kid they were saying that watching the horror movies like Wolfman,Frankenstein,Creature From The Black Lagoon,etc,etc would turn kids into psychopaths.
    As it is, I never got the real world confused with the world of movies.
    Even today I can watch a gory movie and know that it isn't real so it doesnt bother me,no matter how realistic it looks,but try to get me to watch a medical educational show with a real operation going on and I can't do it.

    But lets say video games actually were the problem,or part of the problem.
    A decent game system starts off nowadays at about $300 for the basic system,and games themselves seem to be released around the $59.95 point range. I could never have bought anything at those prices when I was a kid even though I worked since about 8-10 years old.
    So for the kids to get these games the parent has to go out and buy the system and the games, no small expendeture.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      I can't even listen to the radio nowadays.

      It's not even a case of just getting older, which I had concerns for initially. I've decided without a doubt that the majority of pop music is utter crap to the highest extreme.

      Some lyrics have me creased laughing. They just pluck them from the air, add a beat, bish, bash, bosh, slapped onto a CD!

      I always make sure I've got a small stack of decent CD's next to my stereo so I'm not tempted to press "FM".
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    You are being very generous in my opinion to even call that stuff music.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    All right ,that's it Joe, go out back, pick your own switch and meet me behind the woodshed........ oh wait, nowadays that's considered abuse.
    You just got very lucky young man! I may have to deactivate your IPhone for a week instead!
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      All right ,that's it Joe, go out back, pick your own switch and meet me behind the woodshed........ oh wait, nowadays that's considered abuse.
      You just got very lucky young man! I may have to deactivate your IPhone for a week instead!
      Noooooooooo
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            Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

            This world is bloody mad:rolleyes:
            No more than usual. It's just cultural evolution. It bothers older generations because it's not what they did, just like their actions bothered the generations before them. Trust me, 20-30 years down the road my generation will be looking at kids and going "just what the f*** is that s***?!" And they won't care. It's the natural order of things.
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              • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

                That's because for the last 50 years society continually gets worse in most areas.

                I mean we haven't had anything in recent decades that comes close to what we see out there these days (on a mass scale like it is now). Nearly everything is on the decline, our standards, morals, health, actions, government, music, tv shows....

                Even in the wild days of the 80's it was nothing compared to today (it's like there are no standards now)...I shudder to think how bad things will be in another 20 years.

                I mean the fact is people would be more angry and passionate over smokers and gay marriage than kids viewing music about blowjobs, that's how blind many are....
                You're voicing the same inherent fears that your parents had before you, and their parents before that, and we could go on and on through the history of civilized society. Everyone always think that the next generation is the one that is finally going to f*** us up beyond repair.

                Hasn't happened yet, and it won't because of sex being mentioned in music. Ever take a world history class? See some classical art that many revere? That crap is full of sex. How about the old days where people were married and had kids by 13? None of this is anything new. We as a species like to whip out our manhood and make babies with it. We like to talk, sing, and draw about it too.

                Government sucks? Government always sucks. It always has sucked, and always will suck. You give people power, and they're going to f*** it up, plain and simple.

                Video games are making kids commit crimes? They said the same thing about TV. Movies before that. Books and newspapers before that. Oral stories before that. Cave drawings before that. We're a naturally violent species, in love with war for no discernible reason. People just want a culprit instead of admitting it is a part of us.

                As far as scale? Of course it is different! We are an advancing species with a population of 7 billion! What the heck did you expect? The crazy stuff you guys did in the 80s was unprecedented. The crazy crap people did in the 60s was unprecedented. This. Is. Nothing. New. Just new to your generation.

                Until we nuke each other to holy hell, this social phenomena is going to keep happening. You can't stop it, so why stress over it? In case you haven't noticed, we've survived so far .
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    For once I disagree with you Joe.
    There is a difference between cultural evolution versus a deterioration of society and and morals and ethics.
    Music progression is a cultural evolution.
    For instance,I like rap when it came out.
    But what is out there now is either explicit sexually or hate chants. Sorry,I can't call it music anymore.
    To demonstrate the difference between crap and talent, in show business talent was someone that could come out and entertain without using "blue" ( obscene/controversial" matter.

    Take a look at the line up on almost any television channel now,do you find ANY quality programming? Maybe 1 oor 2 shows. but 99% of it is pure S&*t.
    Just a quick thumb through of my cable system of about 20 channels;
    We have
    Dog/bounty hunter-
    Gangland
    Cheaters
    25 Hottest Hollywood Cougars-now thats quality tv right there :rolleyes:
    Intervention
    Dance Moms
    16 and pregnant
    Teen Moms

    Need I go on?

    And it is not this younger generation thit is putting that crap on. Think about that.
    It's all about the benjamins.......
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

      Yes we have survived but if it keeps getting worse and worse, will it be a world you want to live in or raise kids?
      It just comes down to a difference in World view, really. You see a society in deterioration, I see a society that is just repeating a pattern. It's all patterns and cycles. People don't like to think so. They want to be the ones that are different. They want to be the ones to fix things. Guess what? Some of us will. Things will "get better" again. Then they'll get worse, until we nuke ourselves to holy hell.

      Society as a whole is always just a tape playing on repeat. Worry about your individual stuff, because that is all you can control and the only thing that really has a chance of "breaking the mold" in any way.

      On that note, I think the whole 'is this a world you want to raise your kids in" line to be a load of bull. Is the world raising your kid? No, you are. Of course the counter to that is "but I have to send them to school/work/etc. where they are exposed to others!"

      Yeah? So what, if you did your job raising them, then they have the tools to make intelligent decisions. If you aren't confident in that and in your future child's ability to navigate the world, it is not the world's fault. It's your own for being a bad parent.

      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      For once I disagree with you Joe.
      That's blasphemy, and won't be accepted. :p:p


      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      There is a difference between cultural evolution versus a deterioration of society and and morals and ethics.
      See my above point of view on cycles and patterns. We'll have to agree to disagree, that comes down to a person's fundamental view of the world when deciding if they believe it or not, and we would have to devolve this past healthy debate to try to convince either side to change their point of view.
      Music progression is a cultural evolution.


      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      For instance,I like rap when it came out.
      But what is out there now is either explicit sexually or hate chants. Sorry,I can't call it music anymore.
      And that's OK, because it's not for you. People expect culture to evolve for what they want. Not the way things work. Like it or not, your generations time at the head of the cultural crowd has passed. They won't cater to you, and don't need to. Same thing will happen to my group. As soon as I'm out of that cherished 18-34 demographic, I'm going to see everything put out as absolute crap. And the people after me? They'll think it's golden.

      Just like you, I'll probably see it as cultural decay. But it won't matter. The world will have moved on. It doesn't stop for any of us, and shouldn't have to.


      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      And it is not this younger generation thit is putting that crap on. Think about that.
      It's all about the benjamins.......
      Trust me, I know this. It would be foolish to think our generation doesn't recognize that, and even more foolish to base your view of how we are going to handle the world on what we consume as entertainment. Have real conversations with enough of us, and you'll see that we freaking get just how f***ed up yours and past generations have made things. In the space of five minutes, we go from making dick jokes to seriously discussing ways to balance the national budget.

      No disrespect to my elders, but the smartest, most progressive, and realistic ideas I've heard on a lot of things come from my age group. We are setting our own higher standards as far as culture goes, too.

      Let's use the 60s group again. Back then, it would have been just fine to call an African American a n*****. These days if you say it in a derogatory tone, you can expect for our society to make you an outcast immediately. We're making the biggest push for civil rights (gays/lesbians/all that jazz) since the original Civil Rights movement. We detest the religious intolerance that older age groups are still trying to propagate (outside of a small sect who listen to their overzealous parents). We're pissed about the environment, and not letting the older generation off the hook until they man up and f****** fix it.

      Remember that crazy win Obama had back in '08 that rode largely on a youth movement that believed in him? That wasn't blind fandom. We thought he could do the job, and he seemed like he could do it. Now that he has been less than satisfactory? That guy is on f***ing notice. We won't put up with failure two terms in a row.

      So yeah, we watch and enjoy Jersey Shore. We'll go to the club and bump and grind to some T-Pain and Usher. We'll shell out $20 to see another Transformers movie. But don't base your opinion of how we will handle the world on that.

      We've got this s***. And if we don't? That just means that it was the point in the cycle that (American/British/whatever) society was meant to fall. We'll either all be dead or the next society will come up in it's place. It's that simple.

      Hopefully I didn't step on too many toes with that. I'm not trying to insult/belittle anyone else. Rather, I just wanted to make my viewpoint clear and when I start talking about it I get a bit passionate, hence the "swearing".
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    By the way,you can change the world.
    The real problem is that so many people have been fed that line of BS for so long they believe it.

    By the way:
    " The crazy crap people did in the 60s was unprecedented. This. Is. Nothing. New. Just new to your generation."

    There are more here on this forum than you might think that were actually there during the 60s,and what occurred them WAS totally new to this country and society.

    What does THIS society have right now? We are sending out the biggest set of mixed messages to the generation growing up ever.

    Don't be a bully, but sit down and watch with mom and dad while we pay the TV company to let us see men get into a cage and beat each other to a pulp. But remember,its not right to hit someone.

    Music where every other word is an obscenity, but remember kids, those are bad words and you aren't allowed to say them.

    Again, I could go on and on.

    Our society is is extreme moral decay and only you and you and you can change it, but if you can't see it ,you certainly won't put any effort into getting it right again.
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      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Don't be a bully, but sit down and watch with mom and dad while we pay the TV company to let us see men get into a cage and beat each other to a pulp. But remember,its not right to hit someone.
      The difference is, in MMA it's two men who both agree to fight each other with a set of rules. While it is violent, it's hardly like blood sports haven't been a part of society throughout recorded history.

      You need to read about the old bare knuckle fights, or pit fighting of animals which was popular in California mining camps during the gold rush of the 1800's.

      People used to duel to the death with guns and swords to settle disputes.

      Public hangings would draw huge crowds, as would guillotines, where they would chop off a head and have it drop into a bucket, with the body twitching and convulting for all to see.

      There are plenty of other examples of public torture throughout history.

      Prisoners would have cages with starving rats put over their heads, with the rats having nothing to eat but the face of the prisoner.

      In Roman times, you had gladiator games. But you also had the captured slaves from the Spaticus escape crucified by the thousands and on display all along the apian way.

      Do we need to bring up the violence given to slaves? Or public lynchings?

      How about Vlad the Impaler? (AKA the real Dracula) He'd jam a pole up a man's body and put him on display for all of his enemies to watch.

      Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler also come to mind.

      To compare MMA and the UFC with past historical events doesn't exactly show that we are more violent than we used to be. And MMA, as well as boxing and football, etc, is between willing competitors, unlike most of the events I posted above.

      PS. I'll take Anderson Silva over Chael Sonnen.
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Quite understand everything you said.
        Don't agree with any of it.
        And actually see it completely irrelevant.
        I don't need to read about any of the listed things because I already know about them.
        And ironically most of your examples are when people were forced into the violence,not participating voluntarily.

        What also is so funny is that MMA people love to claim Bruce Lee is the father of MMA. He would probably be rolling over in his grave if he saw this going on.


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        The difference is, in MMA it's two men who both agree to fight each other with a set of rules. While it is violent, it's hardly like blood sports haven't been a part of society throughout recorded history.

        You need to read about the old bare knuckle fights, or pit fighting of animals which was popular in California mining camps during the gold rush of the 1800's.

        People used to duel to the death with guns and swords to settle disputes.

        Public hangings would draw huge crowds, as would guillotines, where they would chop off a head and have it drop into a bucket, with the body twitching and convulting for all to see.

        There are plenty of other examples of public torture throughout history.

        Prisoners would have cages with starving rats put over their heads, with the rats having nothing to eat but the face of the prisoner.

        In Roman times, you had gladiator games. But you also had the captured slaves from the Spaticus escape crucified by the thousands and on display all along the apian way.

        Do we need to bring up the violence given to slaves? Or public lynchings?

        How about Vlad the Impaler? (AKA the real Dracula) He'd jam a pole up a man's body and put him on display for all of his enemies to watch.

        Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler also come to mind.

        To compare MMA and the UFC with past historical events doesn't exactly show that we are more violent than we used to be. And MMA, as well as boxing and football, etc, is between willing competitors, unlike most of the events I posted above.

        PS. I'll take Anderson Silva over Chael Sonnen.
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          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          Quite understand everything you said.
          Don't agree with any of it.
          And actually see it completely irrelevant.
          I don't need to read about any of the listed things because I already know about them.
          And ironically most of your examples are when people were forced into the violence,not participating voluntarily.

          What also is so funny is that MMA people love to claim Bruce Lee is the father of MMA. He would probably be rolling over in his grave if he saw this going on.
          It isn't irony, it's my point entirely. Too bad you either missed it or ignore it. I believe two competent people have a right to do as they wish and violence between two willing people is far less worrisome than violence forced on unwilling people.

          And again you over-generalize. Neither you nor I have any idea of what Bruce Lee would think. But I do love how you put words in his mouth that "prove" your point. :rolleyes:

          And I like MMA, but I've NEVER claimed that Bruce Lee is the "father" of it. I'd probably say Muay Thai is the "father" more than karate or Bruce Lee. And Muay Thai has been around for a thousand years.
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            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            It isn't irony, it's my point entirely. Too bad you either missed it or ignore it. I believe two competent people have a right to do as they wish and violence between two willing people is far less worrisome than violence forced on unwilling people.

            And again you over-generalize. Neither you nor I have any idea of what Bruce Lee would think. But I do love how you put words in his mouth that "prove" your point. :rolleyes:

            And I like MMA, but I've NEVER claimed that Bruce Lee is the "father" of it. I'd probably say Muay Thai is the "father" more than karate or Bruce Lee. And Muay Thai has been around for a thousand years.
            You know I don't ignore points,I address them,so yes I didn't Get it.

            I'm not sure where I over generalized the first time for me to do it again,but I actually do have an idea of what Bruce Lee would think. And I put no words in his mouth. But, you can find out yourself because there was a special recently with his daughter and his wife who is more qualified to say what she feels he would make of it than either you or I,so you can have the sarcastic eye roll back. But I do love how you try to put words in my mouth that were never said.


            Did I say "Kurt said Bruce Lee was the father of MMA?" Sorry,no I didn't. I sad many have said it though,and that is a fact.
            As far as Muay thai , again,you are welcome to your opinion,but oriental martial arts have been around for thousands of years too.
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        <snip>

        PS. I'll take Anderson Silva over Chael Sonnen.
        Me too. I think it'll be quick and decisive. Chael Sonnen may need to get dental implants and reconstructive surgery after the fight, if Anderson Silva holds true to his words.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    Here's one for you, Ernie:

    It's a rap song by a six year titled "Booty Pop"
    CHILD'S RAP VIDEO NOT SUITABLE FOR CHILDREN - Yahoo!7 Music


    Joe, you sound just like me 15 years ago. A little advice: you won't see it coming, but one day you'll be in mid-discussion over a topic such as this and you'll get hit by a dump truck-sized realization that you, too, have turned into your own personal version of Kim. (Kim being the self-labeled standard for "Cranky Old Man.")
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      Here's one for you, Ernie:

      It's a rap song by a six year titled "Booty Pop"
      CHILD'S RAP VIDEO NOT SUITABLE FOR CHILDREN - Yahoo!7 Music


      Joe, you sound just like me 15 years ago. A little advice: you won't see it coming, but one day you'll be in mid-discussion over a topic such as this and you'll get hit by a dump truck-sized realization that you, too, have turned into your own personal version of Kim. (Kim being the self-labeled standard for "Cranky Old Man.")
      Dan,
      That was disgusting.So, its the parents fault (I agree in this case) so lets go find them and have a little talk about how they are bringing their children up.

      I actually wrote a very very long response to Jo's comments and realized I needed a break when I saw I was only 2/3s done responding to him

      But Since Joe is a writer,I'm going to assume he is a reader too. Joe, I highly recommend you read a book called Passages by Gail Sheehy.

      You will read it now,set it aside and read it again in 10 years. It's very much in line with your theory of patterns and cycles.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by KimW View Post

        Dan,
        That was disgusting.So, its the parents fault (I agree in this case) so lets go find them and have a little talk about how they are bringing their children up.
        Let's go. I'll drive.


        As far as video games go, they are just one block in the Jenga game of societal disarray. Eventually the tower will fall. (Horrible analogy, I know, but let's roll with it.)

        Society, not just kids, are being barraged with violent and sexual images on a constant basis. While I'm no scientist, I just find it hard to believe that the constant oneupsmanship (I'm calling that one word) of each successive generation in terms of stretching the acceptable doesn't have an effect on society as a whole.

        Do I think we're heading straight to Hell on a nuclear-powered rocketship? No, it's a gradual descent more like a donkey ride down into the Grand Canyon.

        Oh, screw it. I'm going to start rambling like an idiot.

        By the way, while I'm at it:


        GET OFF MY LAWN!!!
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        • Profile picture of the author KimW
          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          Let's go. I'll drive.


          As far as video games go, they are just one block in the Jenga game of societal disarray. Eventually the tower will fall. (Horribal analogy, I know, but let's roll with it.)

          Society, not just kids, are being barraged with violent and sexual images on a constant basis. While I'm no scientist, I just find it hard to believe that the constant oneupsmanship (I'm calling that one word) of each successive generation in terms of stretching the acceptable has to have an effect on society as a whole.

          Do I think we're heading straight to Hell on a nuclear-powered rocketship? No, it's a gradual descent more like a donkey ride down into the Grand Canyon.

          Oh, screw it. I'm going to start rambling like an idiot.

          By the way, while I'm at it:


          GET OFF MY LAWN!!!
          We will have to do it next 3 day weekend,right now I got a couple of projects I'm helping others on.

          Oh, I'm with you on the slow decline,that's why it was so easy for them to get it past us. People take notice when things happen fast,but if it just mosies on by then no one sees it.

          I'm actually trying to make some changes so it will be a decent place for my grand kids,as I have given up with it getting fix in time or even by my own kids.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Sorry,
    I'm with Ernie on this one. Video games don't kill people.
    The dude was 18 years old,he probably thought he could cop that plea and come off nuts and get away with it.
    By 18 he should right and wrong.

    I could,but won't come up with about 5-10 examples of instances where rock/metal music has been blamed for killings. By the way,I don't by that crap either.
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Sorry,
      I'm with Ernie on this one. Video games don't kill people.<snip>
      Do songs kill people? It's not like I approve of songs with explicit and violent lyrics. I do believe that songs promoting and condoning violence are more harmful than sexualized songs.

      For the record, I'm not making suggestions about laws regarding such things. I'm not a legal expert. I'm not an expert on the effects of video games or songs on children's psychology either. However, I can read the news, and video games have been linked to crimes. In the article I mention, the perpetrator reenacted what was on the video game. It was so much like the crime he committed, it was freaky. As a parent, I just make sure I am aware of such things, so I know better how to guide my child away from damaging influences.
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

        Do songs kill people? It's not like I approve of songs with explicit and violent lyrics. I do believe that songs condoning violence are more harmful than sexualized songs.
        Not that I'm aware or,but neither do video games. Or are you talking about the simulated deaths in the games?
        Because if you are, here is probably the most famous simulated death in a song:
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        • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
          Originally Posted by KimW View Post

          Not that I'm aware or,but neither do video games. Or are you talking about the simulated deaths in the games?
          Because if you are, here is probably the most famous simulated death in a song:
          Queen - 'Bohemian Rhapsody' - YouTube
          For perspective, there is more violence happening in some countries that have little in the way of video games and songs, eg North Korea, (Myanmar?) and Iran.

          Edit: I'll need to look more into Myanmar to know what music, video games, etc. they have access to.
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          • Profile picture of the author KimW
            Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

            For perspective, there is more violence happening in some countries that have little in the way of video games and songs, eg North Korea, Myanmar and Iran.
            I think that actually helps my argument.

            As far as this part of the discussion is I think it is too easy to say music and/or video games cause such and such to happen.

            The American government took away the parents rights to properly raise their kids in the 80s and 90s and society is paying for it now.

            There are a few other issues but they are definitely so radical I'd gt banned for even saying them.
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            • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
              Originally Posted by KimW View Post

              I think that actually helps my argument.

              As far as this part of the discussion is I think it is too easy to say music and/or video games cause such and such to happen.<snip>
              When every step of a crime that someone commits is so much like a video game he was endlessly playing for days on end, it seems obvious that that is how he got his training for the crime he committed. I didn't make that up. It actually happened.

              Am I making any suggestions with regards to songs and video games? Nope. None whatsoever. Why? The alternative is worse: North Korea.
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              • Profile picture of the author KimW
                Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

                When every step of a crime that someone commits is so much like a video game he was endlessly playing for days on end, it seems obvious that that is how he got his training for the crime he committed. I didn't make that up. It actually happened.

                Am I making any suggestions with regards to songs and video games? Nope. None whatsoever. Why? The alternative is worse: North Korea.
                T Bird,
                Basically all I said was he could be using that as an excuse to try to get off with an insanity plea. Now,I have never played Grand Theft Auto,but I have played many video games in my time,having had 23 Arcade games when the craze first hit,and then having played video games on my pc for years and I currently have a forum dedicated to gaming.

                Since on a multi player server I cant tell or control the ages of who I have played with, I can't swear to it,but Id say I have played with 14/15 year olds to older men like myself. And none of them ever came off mentally unstable or voiced a need to go reinact any of this in real life. An intelligent person,whether 14 or 64 knows the difference and if they are sane would not even consider acting it out.

                But for the record, I do not think video games kill people, and I don't believe I saiud anywhere that music did either. As far as the music in most of this conversation I just said its crap and isn't really music and they have to resort be being nasty and disgusting because they can't produce anything of real quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author kyannas26
    I agree that the entertainment industry and television raise kids now-a-days. I love music, video games, movies just as much as the next person but I also understand the difference between reality and entertainment. And I make certain my daughter understands the difference as well. As long as we live, the entertainment industry isn't going anywhere so it's up to us parents to teach our kids right from wrong and have a bigger/stronger influence in our kids lives than what they see in this cold world.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    First recorded in the 1920s:




    And how about Ten Years After "embellishing" this Muddy Waters song over 40 years ago..."Good Morning Little School Girl, I want to ball you all night long."

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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Sumit Menon View Post

      How about inciting them with videos like these?
      That may be how you see it, but do you suppose that's how "they" see it?

      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      I lasted 50 seconds,that might be a new record for me!
      I beat you, I made it to 1:31, but that was only because I had scrolled down and was reading and had to scroll back up to turn it off.

      Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

      No more than usual. It's just cultural evolution. It bothers older generations because it's not what they did, just like their actions bothered the generations before them.
      Joe, it seems to me you're missing one thing in your analysis. The line of decency keeps getting pulled lower and lower over time. Each time the line moves down to where something that was considered unwholesome becomes acceptable, it's always moved closer to even more unwholesome behavior.

      Now you have organizations openly advocating adult/child sexual relations. 100 years ago they wouldn't dare openly advocate such behavior. Each time the line moves it moves closer to the fringe elements.

      That's not to say you can't find instances of such behavior throughout history, but there's a difference between citing the worst examples of history and making that behavior acceptable to a society.

      A rationale that justifies or accepts abhorrent behavior because it was done before doesn't offer much hope for improvement. Even if you want to say it's always been so, that's little reason not to strive for a better society now. Does anyone really thing sexualizing children is a good idea?

      I heard a program on the radio a couple weeks ago that had a psychologist or psychiatrist as a guest, I forget which one he was, and the topic was treating 10, 11, and 12-year olds addicted to porn.

      As far as "repeating patterns" go, domestic violence is a repeating pattern too. Doesn't mean these patterns should be allowed to flourish. It's a pattern that isn't good for society as a whole and can be extremely damaging to individuals.

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  • Profile picture of the author Lori Kelly
    It is incredibly difficult to be a parent. I'll bet my parents said the same thing when they were raising me.

    My son doesn't listen to that crap in this house but I have no doubt he does at school, on the bus, at his friends and doesn't appreciate his conservative mom.

    Tough.

    He turned the radio to one of those rap songs and the words were inappropriate.

    I asked him what to repeat the lyrics. He was too embarrassed.

    Imagine that.

    I can't control what he does when he's not home, but I can certainly control what happens in this house.

    I talk to him too.
    Parents today don't talk to their kids.

    I know he hears me but I don't know if he's listening.
    I have warned him about women who want to get out of their house and they will do whatever it takes to get him into bed so they can get pregnant.

    I'll keep telling him that story until he hears my voice in his head.

    I remind him that if he gets a girl pregnant, his life is over.
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    I heard a program on the radio a couple weeks ago that had a psychologist or psychiatrist as a guest, I forget which one he was, and the topic was treating 10, 11, and 12-year olds addicted to porn.
    WTH?
    Where are the parents? Or maybe these kids don't have parents. I know parents who don't care what their kids are doing.

    There are many people my age raising their grandkids.
    One of the families here where the grandparents are raising the kids told me they don't want them. They were done after they had their kids. "They do want no doggone grandkids!" Nice. Poor kids.


    I look at my kid's history on the computer. Call me controlling, strict, evil, I couldn't care less.

    So I'm checking the kid's computer and YIKES.
    Husband asked me not to go crazy. That in his day he had playboy magazines.

    I told my boy I knew what he was looking at and he was really embarrassed.

    Next time there is inappropriate activity on his computer, say good bye to the computer.
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    • Profile picture of the author garyv
      Originally Posted by Lori Kelly View Post

      I look at my kid's history on the computer. Call me controlling, strict, evil, I couldn't care less.

      So I'm checking the kid's computer and YIKES.
      Husband asked me not to go crazy. That in his day he had playboy magazines.

      I told my boy I knew what he was looking at and he was really embarrassed.

      Next time there is inappropriate activity on his computer, say good bye to the computer.
      I too watch the activity of every computer in my house. But I agree with your husband. Don't go crazy over a normal curiosity. My teenage son visits some choice websites once in a while, but I'm not about to embarrass him about it. I'd rather his curiosities play out here than somewhere else. If he ever ventures into illegal stuff, then I'll put a stop to it right away, but otherwise I let him have some freedom to explore once in a while. Then when he comes to me with questions, I know what he's looked at and I can better explain things to him.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
      Originally Posted by Lori Kelly View Post

      I look at my kid's history on the computer. Call me controlling, strict, evil, I couldn't care less.

      So I'm checking the kid's computer and YIKES.
      Husband asked me not to go crazy. That in his day he had playboy magazines.

      I told my boy I knew what he was looking at and he was really embarrassed.

      Next time there is inappropriate activity on his computer, say good bye to the computer.
      I also keep an eye on the computer history to see what my kids do online. So far, I am pretty pleased with them and haven't found anything too incriminating.

      As for video games, I saw Grand Theft Auto mentioned earlier, that is one game that is banned in my house. We have a couple of them (husband) but the kids aren't allowed to play them.

      I know video games don't kill people, people need to be a bit screwed up in the head first to go ahead and act out what you do on a video game, but they can still put ideas in the heads of those people who are screwed up.

      I remember a couple of years back, that guy who went to that island and shot all those kids, apparently he was obsessed with the Call of Duty video game. I certainly think that violent video games aren't great for those people who already have some mental illness.

      @Joe I wouldn't expect you to agree with the topic being young and I know I never agreed with my parents when I was younger.

      I'm not sure if it was you that said 'we've survived' but I need to question that. You have survived, but others haven't. The anxiety and depression rate in children has risen over recent years, as has the suicide rate. So...... have you really survived?

      I'm not saying that music and video games are to blame, but they do play a role. There are many other factors that play a role in it too.

      I can honestly say, I do worry about my children growing up in the world of today!
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      Joe, you sound just like me 15 years ago. A little advice: you won't see it coming, but one day you'll be in mid-discussion over a topic such as this and you'll get hit by a dump truck-sized realization that you, too, have turned into your own personal version of Kim. (Kim being the self-labeled standard for "Cranky Old Man.")
      I don't doubt that for half a seocnd .

      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      But Since Joe is a writer,I'm going to assume he is a reader too. Joe, I highly recommend you read a book called Passages by Gail Sheehy.

      You will read it now,set it aside and read it again in 10 years. It's very much in line with your theory of patterns and cycles.
      Will do, always looking for a new read!

      Also I'll address Dennis here instead of quoting him too. Your point was correct, and something that I've conveniently left out of my analysis of the world. Did I ever mention my fatal flaw is to slip a bit too much into black and white ?

      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Every computer that a teenager has access to should have this pree-installed.
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      Let's not give government the opening to slip in and add their own ability to track that lol.
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    "Quote:
    Originally Posted by KimW
    Every computer that a teenager has access to should have this pree-installed.
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    Let's not give government the opening to slip in and add their own ability to track that lol."

    I agree,lets not,but if they wanted to they could certainly slip something like this in on us without our knowledge.
    But in this case I was only talking as a tool to use in knowing what your kids were doing on toe computer versus what they say they are doing.

    And it doesn't have to be anything sinister,sometimes its just them trying to show their machismo.

    But getting caught just once didn't mean they stiopped the bad behavior,but it did mean to them that they couldn't do it under our roof and get away with it.

    By the way,I am not one to embarrass in front of their friends, I've always have the belief praise in public, criticize in private.
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  • Profile picture of the author candoit2
    T*ts down, a** up that's the way I like to F***
    Those are the lyrics of what teens are listening to here. They like to roll down their windows and play it as loud as they can at traffic lights.

    Seems to be the song of the summer.

    Oh yeah, and we had our friends 7 yr old with us once and he now sings that song. Wonderful.

    Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

    Some may say I'm overreacting but I dont think so, heck I know so. As I get older I get wiser and one thing that is quite remarkable and not in a good way, is the music kids and teens are being brainwashed with every day. It's funny how we make a huge fuss over pedophiles or beauty pageant kids who dress too old for their age, but if sexual content is in the form of Song/Music clip, nobody ever notices or cares. This crap is even on the radio every single day, there's no getting away from it.

    Lets take the number #1 song right at the moment is a song by Flo Rida called "Whistle". A lot of you older people may not understand the true meaning of the song. "Blow my whistle" Just a hint, It's about BLOWJOBS! for god sake And this is the #1 song at least here in Australia! This sort of crap is nothing new of course but come on it's getting ridiculous.

    Can you blow my whistle baby, whistle baby
    Let me know

    And we start real slow
    You just put your lips together
    And you come real close


    Bet your lips spin back around corner
    Slow it down baby take a little longer


    It's like everywhere I go
    My whistle ready to blow


    Let me see your whistle while you work it
    I'mma lay it back, don't stop it
    Cause I love it how you drop it, drop it, drop it, on me
    Now, shorty let that whistle blow
    Yeah, baby let that whistle blow


    Here is another popular song called "How We Do" By Rita Ora: Basically promoting teens to party and have drunk sex.

    And party and bull****
    And party and bull****
    And party and bull****...
    And party, and party


    I stumbled up to the window
    Opened the curtains to blinding light
    Make up all over the pillow
    What went on? What went on?
    What went on last night.
    I wanna party and bull****
    And party and bull****
    And party and bull****
    And party and bull****
    And party, and party


    'Cause when the sun sets baby
    On the avenue
    I get that drunk sex feeling
    Yeah, when I'm with you


    These are just 2 examples. And before you say "oh its just music, stop being so serious, well I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you....but do you really think kids or teens listening to this and watching the video clips everyday isn't having an effect on them? Do you want your 10 or even 16 year old daughter for that matter being transformed into a fake sexual person, who only cares about sex money and partying? Because I assure you that's what is happening. All this crud is making people think and act like celebrities without the fame and fortune.

    Enough is enough
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by AaronJones View Post

      Those are the lyrics of what teens are listening to here. They like to roll down their windows and play it as loud as they can at traffic lights.

      Seems to be the song of the summer.

      Oh yeah, and we had our friends 7 yr old with us once and he now sings that song. Wonderful.
      Yeah, that's classy and takes a load of talent to write something like that. Add to it some riffs that they have to sample (steal) and you have another hit song. :rolleyes:
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        Originally Posted by KimW View Post

        Yeah, that's classy and takes a load of talent to write something like that. Add to it some riffs that they have to sample (steal) and you have another hit song. :rolleyes:
        I'll bet that there are apps that can automatically create barely legal music, that is "curate" bits of music from songs harvested on the net, and remix it with a beat, catchy music (taken from folk tunes, classical songs, etc) add randomly-generated vulgar lyrics, auto-tuning someone's tone-death vocals to the "song".
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    Sadly,
    I bet you're right!
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