Racism In Canada? Yes

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Bank of Canada bans image of Asian-looking woman from new $100 banknote
"But eight focus groups consulted about the proposed images for the new $5, $10, $20, $50 and $100 banknote series were especially critical of the choice of an Asian for the largest denomination."
  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    And?

    Why wouldn't any country put a typical citizen image on its currency?

    The Asian population in Canada is just over 6% - not exactly a normal demographic for the currency.

    You are really reaching for news here - or reaching for controversy.
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      And?

      Why wouldn't any country put a typical citizen image on its currency?

      The Asian population in Canada is just over 6% - not exactly a normal demographic for the currency.

      You are really reaching for news here - or reaching for controversy.
      Asians are "a typical Canadian image". Canada is an immigrant country. Also, if you look at university and professional demographics, it is far higher than 6%. BTW, who do you think built Canada's railways?
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I wasn't saying it isn't an important demographic - only that it isn't representative of the majority of Canadian people.

        Canada has about 32 million residents? 1.5 million or so are Asian and most of those live in the large cities. I was only saying that I understand why there would be questions about a banknote that used an image with an Asian appearance.

        It is not any form of racism to use an image that represents the majority of the populace of a country and it's the use of that word in the title that makes me wonder where you are coming from with this. Why do you assume the worst?

        My big toe looks more asian then the lady on the note.
        I'm sure it does because that's not the image that was changed.
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        • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

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          It is not any form of racism to use an image that represents the majority of the populace of a country and it's the use of that word in the title that makes me wonder where you are coming from with this. <snip>
          No, it is a form of racism to object to the woman having an Asian appearance, as much as it would be if they objected to the woman having a European or African appearance. I'm stating it as I see it, expressing my opinion, that is where I am coming from with this.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sumit Menon
        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

        Asians are "a typical Canadian image". Canada is an immigrant country. Also, if you look at university and professional demographics, it is far higher than 6%. BTW, who do you think built Canada's railways?
        Asian women built Canadian railways?

        And why does Canada have random people on their currency? Don't you have national heroes?
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        • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
          Originally Posted by Sumit Menon View Post

          Asian women built Canadian railways?

          And why does Canada have random people on their currency? Don't you have national heroes?
          What are you talking about?
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          • Profile picture of the author Sumit Menon
            Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

            What are you talking about?
            Well, in India we have Mahatma Gandhi on our notes. In USA, they have George Washington et al.

            Doesn't Canada have people big enough to feature on notes?
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            • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
              Originally Posted by Sumit Menon View Post

              Well, in India we have Mahatma Gandhi on our notes. In USA, they have George Washington et al.

              Doesn't Canada have people big enough to feature on notes?
              Canada is a humble country to be sure, yet attracts a huge number of immigrants from India. I think what makes Canada so great is that hero worship and kissing ass is not a Canadian characteristic while honoring the people who actually built the country is.
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        • Profile picture of the author socialentry
          Originally Posted by Sumit Menon View Post

          Asian women built Canadian railways?

          And why does Canada have random people on their currency? Don't you have national heroes?
          ROFLMAO. you made my day.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Sumit Menon View Post

          Asian women built Canadian railways?

          And why does Canada have random people on their currency? Don't you have national heroes?
          I don't know how true it is, but there is a story about many chinese people building US railroads. By that, I mean primarily laying track. Of course, it goes both ways. Americans were sometimes enslaved and carted off to shanghai! Shanghaiing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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          • Originally Posted by AaronJones View Post

            Didn't you know Canada is the only country that doesn't have anyone who has ever accomplished or done anything notable? That is why we are such a poor country with a terrible economy and everyone wants to leave here to live elsewhere where the heroes are.
            I knew there was a reason I keep confusing it with Iceland :rolleyes:

            Oh wait - they have Bjork! :p

            (don't worry...you still have Alex Trebek pulling for ya...)
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  • Funny - as many times as I have seen that 100 note - I've never once thought or assumed it was an Asian woman - it just looks like a woman peering into a microscope to me - noble in it's portrayal of women in science...

    If anything, perhaps they should use a likeness of an actual Canadian woman who is famous for her contribution to science.
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      Funny - as many times as I have seen that 100 note - I've never once thought or assumed it was an Asian woman - it just looks like a woman peering into a microscope to me - noble in it's portrayal of women in science...

      If anything, perhaps they should use a likeness of an actual Canadian woman who is famous for her contribution to science.
      My big toe looks more asian then the lady on the note.

      of course i am married to one, so i actually know what they look like.
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      Funny - as many times as I have seen that 100 note - I've never once thought or assumed it was an Asian woman - it just looks like a woman peering into a microscope to me - noble in it's portrayal of women in science...

      If anything, perhaps they should use a likeness of an actual Canadian woman who is famous for her contribution to science.
      With the number of Chinese Canadians in science, there is a strong chance that such a woman would be Asian. I would like to see currency that reflects that Canada is an independent country, not a British colony.
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      • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

        I would like to see currency that reflects that Canada is an independent country, not a British colony.
        Canada isn't a British colony. It is just part of the Commonwealth as I am sure you are aware.

        Looking at the note that Jodi has put up I fail to see anything that reflects Canada being some sort of British colony in it.

        It says Bandque du Canada for starters.

        Anyway that lady doesn't look Asian to me. She would have black hair. It's just a woman on a brown note. Bit like The Queen on a £10 note over here.

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        • Profile picture of the author waterotter
          Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

          Canada isn't a British colony. It is just part of the Commonwealth as I am sure you are aware.

          Looking at the note that Jodi has put up I fail to see anything that reflects Canada being some sort of British colony in it.

          It says Bandque du Canada for starters.

          Anyway that lady doesn't look Asian to me. She would have black hair. It's just a woman on a brown note. Bit like The Queen on a £10 note over here.

          Dan

          All Canadian coins have a portrait of Queen Elizabeth II. This includes our loonie and toonie coins which replaced the dollar bill and two dollar bill.

          Our twenty dollar bill has always portrayed the queen.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

            All Canadian coins have a portrait of Queen Elizabeth II. This includes our loonie and toonie coins which replaced the dollar bill and two dollar bill.

            Our twenty dollar bill has always portrayed the queen.
            Well, one of the HIGHEST political figures is appointed by, and the last word on some laws is given by, the queen of england. You can call it a commonwealth or a colony, and it is STILL obvious that canada and the UK have some serious ties.

            Maybe it was done this way so the british didn't have to come to america, etc... Don't forget that they once wanted the US to be a british colony, etc... So relations weren't often as good as they are now.

            BTW Jodi,

            I didn't know you had "loonies" and "toonies"! HERE, loonie means CRAZY! Probably because luny would mean being moon like, and the moon is associated with craziness. A loon is a crazy person. And TOON is short for cartoons. One cartoon serial is loonie tunes! YEAH, I know you call it a loonie because of the loon(bird). I guess the toonies are simply because they are $2 coins.

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          • Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

            All Canadian coins have a portrait of Queen Elizabeth II. This includes our loonie and toonie coins which replaced the dollar bill and two dollar bill.

            Our twenty dollar bill has always portrayed the queen.
            Well that settles it! You guys have to get your own Queen!

            Howz about we sell you one of the Kardashians? We have more of those than we really need, and they really aren't that much use for anything...we could let you have one cheep
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            • Profile picture of the author waterotter
              Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

              Well that settles it! You guys have to get your own Queen!
              She is our Queen. :p
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              Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

              Well that settles it! You guys have to get your own Queen!
              You rang??????
              :p
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

    Bank of Canada bans image of Asian-looking woman from new $100 banknote
    "But eight focus groups consulted about the proposed images for the new $5, $10, $20, $50 and $100 banknote series were especially critical of the choice of an Asian for the largest denomination."

    I would have never thought the woman was supposed to be an Asian.

    It seems like a stretch.


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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    I've got a bill in my hand right now - I never would have known that is a Asian woman. Those bills need to be done away with anyhow. They say they're indestructible, yet leave these bills in the heat and they melt.
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    • Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

      I've got a bill in my hand right now - I never would have known that is a Asian woman. Those bills need to be done away with anyhow. They say they're indestructible, yet leave these bills in the heat and they melt.
      You've got a $100 note? - why don't you send it to me, so I can have a look at it...:rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I would have never thought the woman was supposed to be an Asian.
        ....because the image you posted is not the initial image.

        The backside of a Canadian $100 banknote is seen in this undated handout image. The first version of Canada's new $100 banknotes featured the image of an Asian woman but she was quickly removed after focus ...more
        I don't have a $100 banknote but my impression was the image you posted is what does appear on the new note. Is that right or not?

        What's funny about it is these were focus groups who objected - and one of the objections was the brown color of the note made the image "racist". Apparent using any image all...you just can't win.
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  • What about:
    Harriet Brooks (January 1, 1876 – April 17, 1933) was the first Canadian woman nuclear physicist
    or
    Emily Howard Stowe (née Jennings). (May 1, 1831. Died April 30,1903.)
    A life long champion of women’s rights. With no Canadian institution allowing women to study medicine she studied in the United States and in 1868 became the first Canadian woman to practice medicine in Canada.

    Just two examples of Cn women in science...


    I do see TB's point, that it seems a bit racist, not only that someone perceived the woman to be Asian, possibly due to the science connection, or that she seems to be squinting (into a microscope) - but then would object to the use of it based upon that narrowly biased observation...
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    This is identical to the bill I'm looking at:




    EDIT: Our $100 bills have been brown in color for as long as I can remember.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      That's what the article said - and it was the brown that was one of the concerns. Just shows how silly things get, doesn't it?
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    They did NOT say the color caused the perception, they said it REINFORCED it. For the record, I have a japanese aunt and some eurasian cousins. I never ONCE was against the aunt because she is japanese or asian, etc..., or even for her culture. She apparently was a good mother, she was a good cook, and seemed nice. We had our arguments when I lived with them a bit, but NOTHING had to do with her race or culture. nd, for the record, they liked me also.

    And the kids were nice and I have often considered one of my cousins a knockout. It is a shame she was so much older than I was, and my cousin. 8-( But she is obviously asian. She was even fluent in japanese until she was like 10.

    I mentioned some of this before here in passing, so you know I am not making it up.

    But HEY, would most of africa, or asia want a white on their currency? Would Arab countries want a non arab? Probably not. In the US, currencies are usually restricted to presidents. Stamps have been somewhat restrictive too, until relatively recently. Heck, NOW even elvis presley and michael jackson are on them.

    Anyway, if another asian, or one that was notable, were on the bill, maybe they would have been more receptive.

    You can't just look at something like this, and say RACISM! Would canada let ME be on their currency? Probably NOT!

    Gee, in the US they might say we are racist or sexist because all of the bills have white men on them. The only woman that used to be on ANY currency was the statue of liberty.

    For the record, I would have been against any change. Why spend MORE money to change currency at a time when things look like they might go off a cliff?

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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

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      You can't just look at something like this, and say RACISM!
      It is mild stuff, I know. But everything looks more grim, menacing, and offensive when I haven't had enough coffee.

      Would canada let ME be on their currency? Probably NOT!<snip>

      Sure, why not. It makes about as much sense as having another country's Monarch on our money when we're an independent country, not a colony. It's hard to imagine that you'd be uglier than her inbred son, who is next in line. I'll start a petition to get you instated as Canada's king and have your likeness on your money.
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  • You're pretty good at socialism policies though...:rolleyes:

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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    Steve, the lonnies and toonies are a real pain due to their size and weight. They initially started with the loonie, then introduced the toonie. There was talk of replacing the five dollar bill with a coin - I sure hope they don't.

    Then again, I usually use my debit card, more so now than ever.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dnutty1
    Never thought bout racism in Canada always thought of them as one of those cool spots to live
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    thunderbird,

    The queen might as well be on your money. She carries a LOT of weight! From what I understand, she carries MORE weight than anyone else outside of canada and almost everyone in it.

    You have to realize that MOST monarchies these days have NO similarity to the old ideas. Even in BRITAIN, outside of being an ambassador, having a palace, being given special respect, etc... is there ANYTHING she really appears to do? She wields a lot of power, but RARELY seems to use it. The same is true of Canada. The only real difference in the structure of canada and great britain seems to be that there are 1-2 levels below her. The TOP level is a person SHE appoints! The title? governor general!

    Check out the details, and who APPOINTED him! Governor General of Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      The TOP level is a person SHE appoints! The title? governor general!
      Canada, like Australia and New Zealand has a Governor General as "head of state".

      In none of these countries is the GG "appointed" by the Queen. The government of the day appoints the GG and the Queen "rubber stamps" the decision.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        Canada, like Australia and New Zealand has a Governor General as "head of state".

        In none of these countries is the GG "appointed" by the Queen. The government of the day appoints the GG and the Queen "rubber stamps" the decision.
        Well wikipedia and some other sources state a little bit differently.

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        • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          Well wikipedia and some other sources state a little bit differently.
          OK, the government of the day recommends the GG, and the Queen "approves" the recommendation.

          Works out to the same thing I stated earlier.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Regarding racism, ALL races have some people that are racist in ALL cultures. The US gets an AWFUL lot of blame, but there are places where mixed race people that don't even seem different will be KILLED! Society will limit the access of others, etc... I could name like 6 areas where it is certainly worse than the US. AND, taken together, they represent MOST of the planet. The US probably doesn't have even a tenth as many people.

    Luckily, for the most part, most things are kept at bay and most don't really care. Even most that don't like it care as much as they would if their favorite food went up 10% in price. And WHO CARES if someone prefers to marry within their own race? I bet most military guys start out preferring people of their own race yet a LOT of them marry asians. I have heard many dumb theories for that, including the ever popular "Asian women are submissive" My experience indicates that many are anything but, so I guess that theory is wrong! I'm still curious. But if all whites married whites, and all blacks blacks, japanese japanese, chinese chinese etc... if it doesnt affect others adversely, what should they care?

    But there are a LOT of reasons to turn down a person for a job, etc... You can't just assume it is racism. Eventually, people are going to tire of the claim, and ignore even legitimate cases.

    Frankly, I interview a lot of people. It would be nice if I could even choose. I had to lower my tolerances just so I wouldn't have to interview thousands for a job. If a person passes, even if he is outsourced from a foreign country, I just judge them all the same. Most are indian. So even though I would love to see the US unemployment drop, etc... I still hire people that nobody could claim are hired because they are "like me". They look different, have a foreign religion, and some don't even speak english that well. And some americans LIE, and FLUNK! And resumes sometimes tell LIES! You CAN'T depend on them. It makes you wonder if others have the same problems.

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    Nice 3M, but they SKIRTED by one little tidbit! HOW did they get the land in the first place?

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    I was going to add my 2 cents but it's not worth it...
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      How about a penny? That's half the price!

      Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

      I was going to add my 2 cents but it's not worth it...
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    There was a pretty huge size Chinese population in Southern Idaho in the silver mining era, too. There are a lot of places you can still find currency and artifacts from the Chinese miners.

    I can agree with having traditional populations on money unless someone did something spectacular. The woman at the microscope might appear more asian if she were looking toward the coin holder instead of into a microscope? If people know who she is, it's kind of a moot point that she doesn't look Asian with her face not even visible. She probably did dress in the styles of the day?

    We've had two women on coins - Susan B Anthony and Sacajawea, a Native American.

    As far as bigots -- every society has people who are prejudiced against one group or another. It's quite natural and only when the bigotry is allowed to be expressed in suppression or worse does it cause real serious problems. Race isn't half the problem here that religion poses in the present era. If people don't get over it pretty soon we'll be seeing religious wars before too long.
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      If people don't get over it pretty soon we'll be seeing religious wars before too long.
      One might argue that they've already begun.
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    Nobody cares about the ginger racism tho...
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Alviss View Post

      Nobody cares about the ginger racism tho...
      WOW, it's its own RACE!?!?

      Frankly, I can't understand why some dislike them so. My hair has been said to come out a bit red. My beard did. and my danish aunt certainly has red hair. Frankly, I have only seen hatred in the movies, etc... Harry potter, the movie, often has weasley belittled by some jerk that calls attention to the red hair.

      But a different race? WOW!

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