Re: Meet Bob, He Is A Filthy Racist.

Okay, Bravo. I officially hate you.

This is political, in the sense that it will appeal mostly to one side of the spectrum. It's just Truth, in that it points out a practice used by the majority of campaigns and issue-based groups in this country.

And it's just too funny and too true to delete.

Folks... Talk about the humor, talk about the political tactic of twisting perspectives, talk about the hypocrisy on both sides of the partisan divide. But do not turn this into a partisan discussion, please.

Don't mention candidates or parties.

Let's see if this can last for 5 posts before it needs closed or deleted.


Paul

I'm black but I see the point of this video and actually agree with the producers 100%. Even though its meant to be humorous, they were telling the truth about people's perception of politics with Obama as president. Its funny because I've told a few other people the same thing: that anytime someone points out a FACTUAL defect with this current administration, the know-nothings are quick to scream racism.

thats a good one heard it on eric Erickson other day

It's the same as someone who doesn't approve of a certain lifestyle being labeled 'lifestylephobic' and a 'lifestyle-hater' - neither of which may be true, but now the discussion - debate, argument, whatever - has been derailed, which was the objective of the labeler in the first place.

Didn't see Tim's video so can't comment,but I had already seen the first one on FB and it made me laugh out loud.
It IS funny and it IS the argument of almost the majority of the people that tell me they are voting for a certain person.

It was discussed LONG ago!

I see my post was removed although I made no negative comments nothing inappropriate in any way, not sure why, but anyway good thread, makes you think.

I'd probably find the video funnier if the tactics used didn't work so well. Unfortunately, too many people don't seem to think for themselves and are easily swayed by the media and slick talkers.

Many of the people who belong to or closely align with either of the major parties seem either ignorant or unconcerned about the tactics their own party uses to twist and distort perspective. If the "truth shall set you free," then being unconcerned with the truth will imprison you.

Thanks Paul, I appreciate your reply...

What gets me in today's 'media arena', is the constant volley of "Sticks and Stones may Break my Bones, But Names will Never Hurt Me..."

But you can't call me names...and please do not ask me about what kind of sticks and stones I use...(or how long I have used them)

I see one of my comments remain and one is gone. I don't care.I don't remember what I even said but I was probably trying to be funny and it wasn't.

" We didn't allow it during the Clinton or Bush presidencies, we aren't allowing it during the Obama presidency, and we won't allow it next term, regardless of who is elected.

So, since they can't blame it on partisan favoritism, they'll scream censorship, or try to find ways to sabotage anyone whose views are different. Up to and including making nasty noises until discussions they can't control are shut down."

During the last election things got heated down here numerous times before they got shut down,just had a different group of people that seemed to have been here just to cause the ruckus and then after the election moved on.

But from my observation,which may be worth absolutely nothing,especially since I frequent here less and less, the OT used to be fun,and now for the most part it isn't.

There were a group of us that could discuss things other than marketing and have calm intelligent conversations.
Steve Wags and I could have musical trivia contests/discussions that if a bystander was interested in music could watch the thread and actually learn some R&R history/trivia.

And we could even have political discussions that every single one of them didn't have to be shut down before it turned into "Jane,you ignorant slut".

It also isn't fun to have seen this place turned into the new warriors (who think they are increasing their post count" turned into "favorite _____" land.

I could go on and on,but I don't see the point.
I think Paul has done a great job down here,even when I haven't always agreed with him. I've been on this forum a real long time and I could name some Mods both past and present that have done a lot worse.

Kudos Paul.

Paul,

I only stated avalability and time. Both are facts, not myths. I even asked people in different states about such availability. It is almost a pity it isn't federal so it could be more definite on a national scale. ID cards, and drivers licenses, as you know, are issued by the states. I don't even know what their political leanings were. AS for time, I saw it myself 4 years ago on various programs, and most were NOT on fox though saying such a thing publically ANYWHERE would show it is being discussed at least at that point, and I recall similar things being discussed decades before that. And YEAH I understand all the points in that video and how they can be twisted. I didn't even start this, and didn't start it on this thread either. ICSM but I won't.

Heck, people hand counted ballots that were effectively MADE to fall apart, yet they are against trying to avoid fraud. BTW I voted in LA COUNTY where they had the SAME kind of ballots. They are FRAGILE! Sorry if I have personal first hand experience there. I was at a customer site, ironically in San Jose, once during that, and overheard a guy asking why they had so much trouble. These are VERY different from the IBM punch cards that HE thought they were.

And there is probably nobody I agree with 100%. I have been told not to parrot people that I hadn't heard even so recently as a decade earlier, heck, I could have accused one of parroting ME, if I ever stated things so publically. Even HE would maybe agree with only 80% of what I say.

Just stating my position, since you called me a parrot and a liar.

Steve

Satire has always been an effective method of influencing people because, in order to laugh at/with something, you first have to think about it. Even if that process only takes a nanosecond to occur, you have actually thought about the topic(s) before you laugh at/with it.

This reminds me of an article I read today (or yesterday), about how one candidate's campaign was planning on "sabotaging" the convention for the party of the other candidate, and how the THEIR party was planning on doing the same.

Their plan of attack? Spam the heck out of the media. What I've found interesting is that the general marketing campaign for both parties can be boiled down to two things:

1) Mass spam.
2) Hyper-focusing on attacking the competition.

Now, I'm not an expert...but aren't we taught NOT to do these two things in Marketing 101?

Getting off topic. But I loved the vid. Very true, and very funny.

Since we are all being bipartisan here...

I think its important to note that this works both ways...

One party can accuse you of being racist if you disagree, while the OTHER party...

Just cant wait (and even hopes) for you to call them racist so they can use that to devalue your position on the important issues.

This way, even if you do have a valid argument for, or against something, they can scream foul!

None the less, regardless of where you stand...the side that's first to even mention the race issue.. is also the side "playing the race card".

The winning candidate (whoever that might be) would stand to do better, focusing on issues that mater while the other guy digs his grave using divisive attacks focused on race (whoever that may be).

Dune and Stranger In A Strange Land,two classics.

“Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic.”
- Frank Herbert



This thread has taken some strange turns.

I agree with Paul - It is a bipartisan tactic. After all if this were 4 or even 8 years ago, you could replace the word "racist" with "unpatriotic". It's an adult form of peer pressure aimed at shutting down intelligent discussion, and it has been used by both sides at some point.

And by the way, this video is much funnier for those on the empathetic side of it.

“History is written by the victors.”
“History will be kind to me for I intend to write it”
-Winston Churchill

Wanna buy some mandies, Bob?

"Everything is changing. People are taking their comedians seriously and the politicians as a joke." — Will Rogers

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned White Plague by Herbert. It's too real for comfort, from the nutcase that releases the plague to the reactions the govs have to the whole situation. Just a little too close to the mark for comfort.

It's amazing how society has regressed.
"All In The Family" was once considered one the best comedies ever.
Archie Bunker was a clown and a person to be laughed at because of his racist views.
Now, that show wouldn't make it to the drawing board.
If it was presented to a TV network, Norman Lear would be booted out of the business.

Thanks the PCers, it's "My mind's made up. Don't confuse me with the facts."

Why? Zappa displayed far more wit and creativity. Zappa was a genius, not a propaganda tool.

Propaganda is the propagating of information or communications aimed at influencing a group of people. It's not always false information, but many times uses selective trues to conjure up an emotional response.

And while you may consider the op's video to be propaganda, the only reason it works at conjuring up such an emotional response is because the selected trues are SO very true. These trues may be exaggerated some, but exaggeration is a common tool of satire. And if it pains some to watch it, then it has done it's job