It's Time To Rise..

13 years ago

What's your point? What do you hope to accomplish? A string of rants about govt that flows into politics and causes problems? A list of conspiracies we all "need" to know about?

The film clip is good - Eisenhower, Kennedy, teamster's protest, Vietnam protestors....selected comments about "threats of things to come" made over two generations.

And we're still here.

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 13 years ago

I missed the part about the internet. I'm not saying your points are invalid, but it seems like you tried to hide a political message by attaching "internet freedom" in there.

And if "the super mods" delete THIS thread, delete my account here at the Warrior Forum as well. PLEASE! I'll be happy you did, because I stand with the other ballsy Marketing Warriors, and lovers of the United States who continue to serve this country, believe in this site, and want ALL of the tyranny gone. ALL OF IT!

Everyone's always so black or white. The state of the world isn't surprising when it can only be us v. them.

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jimbo13 13 years ago

Load of junk.

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KimW

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson

I missed the part about the internet. I'm not saying your points are invalid, but it seems like you tried to hide a political message by attaching "internet freedom" in there.

Everyone's always so black or white. The state of the world isn't surprising when it can only be us v. them.

Actually Joe, there are a lot of us, and I think the OP is one of them, that want it to be the opposite.
Our government has made it an Govt vs them and a us vs govt.
I am for taking America back,and letting the other countries deal with thei own problems. We aren't their keepers.Lets get the hell out of them.

But if they decide to try to attack us, or kill innocent Americans,then we need to strike fast and hard. They have gotten away with it for so long without any consequences and our current government is having the same standard of operations,meaning doing nothing,they have no incentive to act civilized.

The Carter administration changed the way our country was perceived, from a strong leader to a weak child.

Now look where we are.

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

Actually Joe, there are a lot of us, and I think the OP is one of them, that want it to be the opposite.
Our government has made it an Govt vs them and a us vs govt.
I am for taking America back,and letting the other countries deal with thei own problems. We aren't their keepers.Lets get the hell out of them.

But if they decide to try to attack us, or kill innocent Americans,then we need to strike fast and hard. They have gotten away with it for so long without any consequences and our current government is having the same standard of operations,meaning doing nothing,they have no incentive to act civilized.

The Carter administration changed the way our country was perceived, from a strong leader to a weak child.

Now look where we are.

I didn't comment on wars, the government, anything like that. (and I'm not going to). What I said was that the video didn't have anything to do with the text that followed it, talking about internet freedom. That seems in my eyes at least a deliberate (although not very effective) attempt to get a political point across in a non-political section by dressing it up.

That, along with the actual black and white situation I referred to (leave it up or ban me mods!) was enough for me to comment on. If people want to get the rally going in here then go for it. I was just making an observation.

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KimW

13 years ago

Ah, I ignored the internet freedom part, I see very little difference from even 10/15 years ago to now. If anything I feel I have more freedom in that area....but it may be that I am just oblivious.

My point I was trying to get across is that it really isn't "US (United States) vs Them(rest of the world) but currently there are a large portion of Americans that want to change that very notion that the citizens of the Unites States support everything the government is doing to the rest of the world. That's all.

I'm not trying to get a rally going here. I'd rather be eating a nice piece of chocolate cream pie.

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Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

My point I was trying to get across is that it really isn't "US (United States) vs Them(rest of the world) but currently there are a large portion of Americans that want to change that very notion that the citizens of the Unites States support everything the government is doing to the rest of the world. That's all.

Alright, fine. I'll comment on the subject material lol. I agree with you, there is a definite mindset like the one you describe (that Americans want US v. Them) that still persists around the world despite the advances Obama made to our image (I think it's one of the very few things that he ended up delivering on to a satisfactory level).

Muslims are doing the same thing. I remember seeing a link on Reddit as this video's stuff started going down (I'll try to see if it hasn't been buried) that was flooded with links to other videos/blog posts/articles from Muslims who were essentially saying "don't let these psychos be the way you see us. We disagree with the things that they do just as much as you do.

So essentially, we have the vast majority of the two "sides" of this saying "let's get along, you guys don't seem like total dickweeds", and that is drowned out by incompetent officials and one dickweed that figured out how to make things go kaboom.

What a world lol.

Originally Posted by KimW

I'm not trying to get a rally going here. I'd rather be eating a nice piece of chocolate cream pie.

I hope you brought enough for the whole thread...

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

Ah, I ignored the internet freedom part, I see very little difference from even 10/15 years ago to now. If anything I feel I have more freedom in that area....but it may be that I am just oblivious.

My point I was trying to get across is that it really isn't "US (United States) vs Them(rest of the world) but currently there are a large portion of Americans that want to change that very notion that the citizens of the Unites States support everything the government is doing to the rest of the world. That's all.

I'm not trying to get a rally going here. I'd rather be eating a nice piece of chocolate cream pie.

TECHNICALLY, the average US internet marketer is breaking US and European law EVERY DAY! They complain about Amazon and Clickbank, when all THEY are trying to do is COMPLY with the law. These are laws that didn't exist 10 years ago! And FORUMS? Probably over 60% are breaking a little law, called COPPA, for starters! IT supposedly became law in 2000.

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Cyberdog1

13 years ago

America is weak in the eyes of the world, it's not about striking hard and fast it's about getting your respect back and pride that fell from you after the 20th century passed.

But don't worry too much, when China attacks Japan next week all eyes will turn to the inhumanities of the East.

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KimW

13 years ago

Let's disect that:
"America is weak in the eyes of the world,"
True
"it's not about striking hard and fast it's about getting your respect back and pride "
Former False and latter True

"that fell from you after the 20th century passed."
I don't have a clue what you are talking about here.

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13 years ago

The question is not if I brought enough ,of course I did.
The question is am I nice enough.........

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Kay King

13 years ago

So essentially, we have the vast majority of the two "sides" of this saying "let's get along, you guys don't seem like total dickweeds", and that is drowned out by incompetent officials and one dickweed that figured out how to make things go kaboom.

And there is the conundrum in a nutshell!

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13 years ago

Yeah! Never give up! For real!

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GrantFreeman

13 years ago

Wow, man.

This isn't the Warrior forum I remember.

I remember coming here talking about problems that we all had, considering different possiblities and working to find a solution.

Didn't matter what the freakin topic was..

Threads meant to openly discuss serious topics in a mastermind kind of way for one purpose, and one purpose only.. to be mature enough to see the problem, and working together to make a thing better by improving and taking action on an idea.

Instead, some guy returns here with that same purpose, and you seem to have nothing to offer but a bunch of bullshit excuses like "what's the point?".

Why don't we all adopt the same bad attitude and let these pricks in the UN walk all over us, right Kay? Let's just bitch about it, and do absolutly NOTHING about it to make a change..

No wait.. we can attact the guy with the idea! Yeahh!

Meanwhile, they are making plans to take our private property away, take away our right to a free internet and free market so we can make income and/or feed our families from all the hard work we've done. Lets' all just lay down on our backs and let them do what they want.

What's the point, right? Hey! While we're at it, lets talk about our other brothers & sisters in the forum above -so we can feel smarter about ourselves. Yeah!

What, you think the right thing to do is make fun of the people in the main discussion area because you think you're better than they are? Really? They're your brothers and sisters. What are you doing?

You actually think that's a nice thing to do? Lol. You think that's a good leadership trait?

WTF happened to this forum, anyway?

Not one of you has the courage, integrity, and drive to inspire me to get motivated enough to take positive action on a cause that's worthwile. Not one of you.

You guys aren't real Warriors. You think you are, but you're not. You don't sound like you want to help anyone but yourselves. I suppose the REAL Warriors don't come here anymore. And I'm starting to see why.

Is that why I've been seeing all these Warrior Forum hate websites popping up saying the Warrior forum sucks and bashing the members here? I don't want to believe it.

What are YOU doing about it? What are you doing about what that video up there is talking about? Didn't make a dent, did it?

Why don't you stop bitching, get up off your ass and do SOMETHING!

Here's another suggestion: why not let this message sink in, and decide if your current attitudes are part of the problem, or part of the solution? Would you follow you?

And maybe.. JUST MAYBE this is the kick in the pants you need.

I'll die spreading the word, and defending this country. What are you doing?

Think about it.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by GrantFreeman

Not one of you has the courage, integrity, and drive to inspire me to get motivated enough to take positive action on a cause that's worthwile. Not one of you.

If you had REAL courage, integrity and drive, you wouldn't need me to inspire you.

Just because you have your own cause, doesn't mean some of us don't have causes of our own that you aren't supporting.

Deal with it.

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Kay King

13 years ago

Meanwhile, they are making plans to take our private property away, take away our right to a free internet and free market so we can make income and/or feed our families from all the hard work we've done. Lets' all just lay down on our backs and let them do what they want.

The infamous "they". I don't know who "they" are. If elected officials, well, there's an election coming up and I'll be voting.

What I dislike are rallying cries where an injustice or conspiracy is perceived by a few people who expect others to jump into the fray. I don't do frays...or petitions...and I have no illusion that I can affect how the world uses or abuses the internet.

Not saying you are wrong - you think what you think. Doesn't mean others will agree.

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 13 years ago

Sigh. I wonder when those who parrot these "causes" will realize that they do more to harm their position than help when they whine like this? Screaming about how "you changed, man" doesn't make anyone respect you, quite the opposite actually.

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MissTerraK

13 years ago

It's Time To Rise..

Well guess what? You made something rise within me with your last post.

And I don't think you'll like it. But anyone who can throw me and all of my friends into a pot claiming we care about nothing but ourselves and enjoy making fun of others is not worthy of my respect or friendship.

You sir, are the one who doesn't have a clue! We know where our passions lie and we darn well do fight where those areas are each in our own ways, some more vocal than others.

Inciting people to act takes a strong leader, and obviously, you're not one.

Inciting people to anger only takes an idiot!

You ask for intelligent discussions in a mastermind kind of way, yet you call names and insult. What a great mastermind you have.

If you want to join some websites that bash the Warrior Forum and the warriors within it, don't let the door hit your bum on the way out, better yet, knock yourself out. I for one won't miss you or beg you to stay.

Go ahead, Rise up!

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Kay King

13 years ago

What a crappy time to be out of "thanks"!

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Paul Myers

13 years ago

Grant,

WTF happened to this forum, anyway?

We have never really allowed political discussions here, but "WTF" happened is that it got so that it's not possible to have the intelligent and mature conversation you want without people starting to bash everyone who disagrees with them, or just sees things from a different perspective. Some of the comments were so vicious that closing this section entirely was seriously considered.

It got so bad 4 years ago that Allen finally put it in writing: No political discussions here.

In one sense, you're right. This isn't the Warrior Forum you first joined. That forum was composed of a lot more "early adopters." People didn't expect to be spoon-fed every little thing. They expected to have to work and learn to earn.

Definitely not the same forum. Not worse, but different. The market is more mature, but it's still in the shakeout phase. The "endless parade" ensures that will always be the case to some degree.

In the mean time, we do what we can. But the political stuff is out. Regardless of what perspective it advocates. It's just not possible to have those discussions here without the viciousness. And that doesn't help anyone.

Yeah. That sucks. But it's reality.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Grant,We have never really allowed political discussions here, but "WTF" happened is that it got so that it's not possible to have the intelligent and mature conversation you want without people starting to bash everyone who disagrees with them, or just sees things from a different perspective. Some of the comments were so vicious that closing this section entirely was seriously considered.

It got so bad 4 years ago that Allen finally put it in writing: No political discussions here.

In one sense, you're right. This isn't the Warrior Forum you first joined. That forum was composed of a lot more "early adopters." People didn't expect to be spoon-fed every little thing. They expected to have to work and learn to earn.

Definitely not the same forum. Not worse, but different. The market is more mature, but it's still in the shakeout phase. The "endless parade" ensures that will always be the case to some degree.

In the mean time, we do what we can. But the political stuff is out. Regardless of what perspective it advocates. It's just not possible to have those discussions here without the viciousness. And that doesn't help anyone.

Yeah. That sucks. But it's reality.

Paul

Paul,

Thanks for that. I searched the rules of the main forum, and compared them to this forums rules to get an idea of the politics definition HERE..

Even searched your threads to get some idea as to what kinds of topics would be acceptable before attempting to ask serious questions in the threads.. close, but didn't really find anything solid.

The intentions I had were to get some idea where people were.. knowledge wise, and action-wise. I know people are really sharp here, or I wouldn't have bothered.

I can see now that's besides the point, and not the best place to ask those kinds of questions.

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KimW

13 years ago

I was with you til that last post.

Lot of funny BS in it.

Here's some news for you, a lot of us are doing exactly what you claim you are.

Nothing else in the above post is even worth responding to.
I was glad to see you had returned,but not so much now.

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Ernie Lo

13 years ago

Meh most people in the real world are clueless and love their freedom being taken away from them. I suspect the same thing will happen with the web.

They'll start crying when it's too late.

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13 years ago

So, you* and Kay* aren't happy with the way the world is, so you overthrow the powers that be and set up your own Utopia.

Problem is, Kurt* and MMM* aren't happy with that. According to you, they must rise up and overthrow you.

But then Joseph* and Ernie* aren't happy with the world, so they rise and overthrow.

It doesn't stop there. Terra* and Kim* are less than impressed by this new world order, so they rise and overthrow.

And so on, and so on....

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
From Animal Farm by George Orwell.

* DISCLAIMER: All names used in this post were selected purely because they have already posted on this thread. No disrespect to them was intended by use of their names.

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KimW

13 years ago

One of the few times I've disagreed with you Paul.

This IS the forum he joined.

Kay,Kim,Kurt, all have been here a lot longer than he has.
(I rarely refer to myself in 3rd person,but the fact that all 3 of us 'old timers' start with a "K" just opens the door to all sorts of conspiracy theories.

All are capable and do have the exact type of discussions that you mention: intelligent and mature. As are almost all the posters in this thread.

And his post above shows me he has no interest at all in an intelligent discussion.
As a matter of fact his post above is very close to the type you yourself describe as the ones that made it "not possible to have the intelligent and mature conversation you want without people starting to bash everyone".

His post was the complete opposite actually.
I'm stating a fact only.

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Paul Myers 13 years ago

Kim,

This IS the forum he joined.

It's definitely not the same forum I joined. Same name, and a lot of the same people after all these years, but the culture, the available options, the tone... Pretty much all changed.

Back when you and I first joined, there might have been a few thousand members, tops. (Possibly only a few hundred.) Most of us were capable of having a heated debate on a topic in one thread, and joking with each other in the next one down the page.

Fragile egos didn't last here.

And when we joined, this place was still a spammer's heaven. People traded email lists, sold spamware through their sigs, and discussed sending bulk email as though it were the most natural thing in the world. That's why Allen asked for someone to help with the moderating - so we could get rid of them.

How is this the same place?

And his post above shows me he has no interest at all in an intelligent discussion.

It certainly reads like the sort of nasty that lead to the "No politics" rule. But Grant doesn't have the long history of that stuff that some folks do, so I give him the same benefit of the doubt I gave everyone else here when I first started hanging in OT. What he chooses to do with that is up to him.

Just don't mistake passion for blindness. Grant's a smart guy.

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KimW

13 years ago

My points exactly!

The forum you,I and Kay and Kurt joined,was a lot different than it was in 2006 when Grant joined. Just as it is different now than when he joined in 2006.

Like you said, when some of us joined the members could have numbered in the hundreds and like you said "Most of us were capable of having a heated debate on a topic in one thread, and joking with each other in the next one down the page."

And some of us still can.

As far as this:
" And when we joined, this place was still a spammer's heaven. People traded email lists, sold spamware through their sigs, and discussed sending bulk email as though it were the most natural thing in the world. That's why Allen asked for someone to help with the moderating - so we could get rid of them."

I was probably just too new and naive to notice or even know about that stuff.
It was a place someone could come and ask for help and get it.

Spammers? Still has them in multitudes.I usually start the day off reporting quite a few.
People selling spamware through sigs? I honestly don't remember sigs being in the first two versions of the forum, but I don't doubt it. What's the difference? There is a lot of difference and a lot of sameness.

And I don't disagree with you, He doesn't have the history of that stuff, and I know he is a smart guy.
I remember him from before.
As a matter of fact since his reemergence I had posted it was good to see him back.

But a lot of us have the "passion" he does.
There is a difference between having a "passion" and being downright rude and insulting for no reason.
As I said above, I was with him til the last post. But to turn nasty on everyone is not passion. It wasn't even civilized. It was completely uncalled for imo.

But here,even if it gets me a temp or permanent ban, I will stand up to such a jerk coming in and insulting myself and my friends, just as I would to someone that said the same crap on the street.

Especially the friends that I KNOW are filled with passion and love for our country.

A lot of us are smart guys, and I know I am not the best in putting my thoughts across online,so I give people a LOT of leeway in what they say.
I am not thin skinned either.

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Paul Myers 13 years ago

Kim,

We agree on some parts, and disagree on others. It's mostly opinion, so we're each "right" in our own perspective. And almost certainly wrong in some ways we don't see. (Damned blinders. )

As far as standing up to what you see as an attack... Sure. Of course. This isn't the Wimppier Forum. And if someone seems to be destructive for the sake of being destructive, I'm not allergic to calling them out. Or calling them a jerk or a dumbass, for that matter.

Hell, if Tim and Steve want to beat each other up and call each other names over some allowed topic, I'll just nuke some inflatable maize and chomp away until one of them gets too vulgar. Which could take a while...

When it comes to discourse on public policy, I think there's an obligation to exercise a bit more restraint and civility. Unlike the imagined bout between Terrible Tim and Seasoned Steve, we don't have any choice but to be involved in such issues.

And I happen to know that you're perfectly capable of making your points without the need for undue nastiness.

Stupid people have an excuse. You don't.

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KimW

13 years ago

<shakes fist in air>

Dammit Paul, you win again!!

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Paul Myers

13 years ago

Kim,

<shakes fist in air>

Dammit Paul, you win again!!

What'd I win ? It better not be another bloody kewpie doll. I've run out of nieces and nephews to give those to, and I don't think my Mom or Dad would be good candidates. (I made my siblings personalized Easter baskets this year, so they'd wonder what I was up to if I hit them with anything else before Christmas...)

Gimme a hint? Please?

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MissTerraK

13 years ago

Would you prefer a Betty Boop doll?

I have a rather large collection and wouldn't mind giving one of them up for you.

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Paul Myers

13 years ago

Terra,

Would you prefer a Betty Boop doll?

Oop-oop-a-doop, baaay-beee!

Paul

PS: Whodathunkit? Granny's a closet flapper...

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MissTerraK

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Terra,Oop-oop-a-doop, baaay-beee!

Paul

PS: Whodathunkit? Granny's a closet flapper...

Hehe!

I have an awesome flapper girl costume that I made and wear to all of the Halloween parties we go to.

It's downright liberating I tell ya!

Terra

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Paul Myers

13 years ago

Terra,

It's downright liberating I tell ya!

Notice me NOT making any of the obvious salacious comments. What you are witnessing at this moment is an heroic act of self-restraint.

Either that, or my survival instincts just kicked in. I can never really be sure...

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Terra,Notice me NOT making any of the obvious salacious comments. What you are witnessing at this moment is an heroic act of self-restraint.

Did someone call for a youngin' with no self-restraint or self-preservation skills?

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Paul Myers 13 years ago

Did someone call for a youngin' with no self-restraint or self-preservation skills?

[ahem] You're fighting out of your weight class here, Mr Robinson.

And, putting on my official redneck Wombat cap, that's "young'un."

Or, if you're a student of the psychoanalytic school of travel, a Jung Inn. $36 a night, free continental breakfast, and all the archetypes you can eat.

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Kay King

13 years ago

Sorry, Paul, but I don't get this one.

nstead, some guy returns here with that same purpose, and you seem to have nothing to offer but a bunch of bullshit excuses like "what's the point?".

Why don't we all adopt the same bad attitude and let these pricks in the UN walk all over us, right Kay? Let's just bitch about it, and do absolutly NOTHING about it to make a change..

No wait.. we can attact the guy with the idea! Yeahh!

I didn't attack - I disagreed with the "they are out to get us" - "this will be censored" rant.

Sorry, Paul, but if expecting people on a marketing forum to "rise up" and confront the UN is a logical discussion, I must have taken a wrong turn.

Four years ago we had some fun and challenging political arguments - until a very few people became so partisan they took everything as an insult and started screaming. Then we had arguments about news stories and one person started claiming "racism" whenever someone disagreed with him.

Today those have been replaced with conspiracy theories and wild accusations about what "they" are doing to us. Anyone who doesn't agree is a "prick". Same channel - different song.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Terra,Notice me NOT making any of the obvious salacious comments. What you are witnessing at this moment is an heroic act of self-restraint.

Either that, or my survival instincts just kicked in. I can never really be sure...

Paul

Either way, just a couple more reasons why you always have my utmost respect.

Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson

Did someone call for a youngin' with no self-restraint or self-preservation skills?

Joseph, if you have one of those emoticons with a zippered mouth, now would be the time to use it.

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Paul Myers

13 years ago

Terra,

Joseph, if you have one of those emoticons with a zippered mouth, now would be the time to use it.

I tried to warn him...

That calls for a verse. A word to the wise, as it were. (And Joe...)

Don't klash with a Kern.
Never tussle with a Terra.
Keep it cool, Joe...
You messin wit da O.G!
(Preach it, boys!)
Original Gran-maw!

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TimPhelan

13 years ago

Geesh. I stay out of this thread and still end up in it anyways. haha Referred to as Terrible Tim no less! :/

By the way Paul, I never responded to your banning of me but this seems like as good as time as any. I was going to mention that if you look back I had stayed out of many of the political threads that were around here in the recent past. One that I recall specifically was the one where Bravo posted the cartoon of Obama on a lifeboat. I thought that was kind of funny actually but if you recall TL got very upset. Actually, I like TL and as you know we are probably aligned on most political issues, however I had found myself cringing at how he acted in that thread and others recently. I also recall telling him in a thread not to get so worked up and emotional about things here.

Because TL and I agree on many political issues, we are/were linked together seen as the pair of left wingers in this forum, arguing in favor of the admin and progressives in many cases. Many times TL brought me into the discussion also, when I hadn't posted anything. haha.

My point is that I realized TL had become a bit too emotional on these issues lately and I was unjustly connected to his emotional responses because of my political alignment with him. This is more of what I referring to when I messaged you about bias. It seemed like a personal bias against me because of what I just described.

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HeySal

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Geesh. I stay out of this thread and still end up in it anyways. haha Referred to as Terrible Tim no less! :/

Well, I for one am a bit surprised. I read through this whole thread and not once was I referred to in conjunction with tinfoil (or at all). I feel almost like a real person again!

Actually though - to comment on Grant's OP: People might find it very interesting if they were to look up some legislative decisions passed in cooperation with the UN - check them out sometime, then you can come back and tell me how stupid and paranoid I am. :p

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MissTerraK

13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Well, I for one am a bit surprised. I read through this whole thread and not once was I referred to in conjunction with tinfoil (or at all). I feel almost like a real person again!

Um, Sorry Sal, but I did mention you in this thread, just not by name. See bolded below:

But anyone who can throw me and all of my friends into a pot claiming we care about nothing but ourselves and enjoy making fun of others is not worthy of my respect or friendship.

You sir, are the one who doesn't have a clue! We know where our passions lie and we darn well do fight where those areas are each in our own ways, some more vocal than others.

Tim,

haha Referred to as Terrible Tim no less! :/

I've always thought that Terrible has a rather nice ring to it.

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 13 years ago

I'd thank you Paul, but (hint, hint) I can only give out so many in a day :p!

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Joseph, if you have one of those emoticons with a zippered mouth, now would be the time to use it.

Alexa has the emoticons, funny pictures and memes were my thing until they were taken away. YouTube just isn't the same as a replacement

.

I'm going to re-rail this really quick, because my morning YouTube hopping suddenly got relevant. I don't think this music fits the taste of the forum as much (get hip people), but this song conveys the same kind of message of "stand up and stop with the bulls**t government" without the antagonizing rhetoric.

Thirty Seconds To Mars - This Is War - YouTube

The way that these arguments are crafted is their own undoing in my opinion: the whole us v. them thing has already been mentioned; but the "you're with us or you're against us" mantra also plays a part. Extreme revolution of the kind these videos/threads ask for is not always a necessary prelude to change.

There's an election in November. If I really wanted to see things go differently, I'd put in the time to research candidates (choosing a party to blindly follow is the biggest mistake in the world, Democratic, GOP, or otherwise), and vote for those who most closely resembled what I wanted done. Then I'd do everything in my power (and a little more) to convince those within my circle of influence to do the same.

Too often we complain about how the system doesn't work. Did we ever consider that it's because we don't use it correctly?

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Paul Myers

13 years ago

Joe,

I'd thank you Paul, but (hint, hint) I can only give out so many in a day :p!

[Rubbing thumb and forefinger together, he asks...]

"Do you know what this is? It's the world's smallest harmonica, and it's playing just for you."

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Joe,[Rubbing thumb and forefinger together, he asks...]

"Do you know what this is? It's the world's smallest harmonica, and it's playing just for you."

How are you playing a harmonica with just your fingers :p? Can you play yakkety sax? Seems appropriate.

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Paul Myers

13 years ago

Kay,

Sorry, Paul, but I don't get this one.

Either did I. Is that a requirement?

Note that, as usual with the political topics here, I expressed no opinion other than that public discourse requires a higher standard of respect and self-restraint.

Joe

How are you playing a harmonica with just your fingers?

Talent, suh. Never mind. Ask Bill to explain it.

Out of his weight class, for shew-er....

Paul

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Paul Myers

13 years ago

TECHNICALLY, the average US internet marketer is breaking US and European law EVERY DAY!

Cite, please.

Probably over 60% are breaking a little law, called COPPA

Cite, please.

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Paul Myers

13 years ago

Tim, dude, it was a joke. You and Steve are so different, in so many ways, but you're both smart people with good intentions and huge hearts.

Chill, man. If I didn't like you, I wouldn't pick you for those fictional scenarios.

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TimPhelan

13 years ago

I'm chilled and realize it was a joke. See the "ha ha"?

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Tim, dude, it was a joke. You and Steve are so different, in so many ways, but you're both smart people with good intentions and huge hearts.

Chill, man. If I didn't like you, I wouldn't pick you for those fictional scenarios.

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Paul Myers

13 years ago

Tim,

I'm chilled and realize it was a joke. See the "ha ha"?

Ooooo! Mistuh Kottah! Mistuh Kottah!

I know that one, Tim. It's called, among other things, a misdirect.

By the way... Do you like my Horschach impersonation?

Paul

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TimPhelan

13 years ago

I'm not familiar with a Horschach Paul so I can't comment on the caliber of your impersonation. You are a bit younger than me you will have to remember. However, I wasn't upset at all by you calling me Terrible Tim. The 'haha" and smirk were emotions not a "misdirect". By the way, this is a problem sometimes for comments made on the internet. True intention can easily be misinterpreted. Emotions can help, but even they can be misread.

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Paul Myers

13 years ago

Tim,

By the way, this is a problem sometimes for comments made on the internet. True intention can easily be misinterpreted.

Really? Plain ascii text doesn't carry the nuances of facial expressions, body language, and vocal tonality?

Whodathunkit?

But if that's true, it might be a useful argument for less leaping to tall conclusions in a single bound, and more civil and restrained speech, and respect for the intelligence of one's disputant. Maybe...

And if you're older than me and don't recognize Arnold Horshack (spelling corrected), from "Welcome Back Kotter," you're on the slide...

Paul

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TimPhelan

13 years ago

Tall conclusions such as? How have I not been civil and restrained also Paul? I mean recently. I admit in the past I was one who got too emotional. I apologized for that actually. In recent memory I have had very civil and restrained discussions here.

By the way, your sarcasm falls flat in this case Paul.

< misdirect happy face.

I do remember Welcome Back Kotter but didn't watch that show.

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Tim,Really? Plain ascii text doesn't carry the nuances of facial expressions, body language, and vocal tonality?

Whodathunkit?

But if that's true, it might be a useful argument for less leaping to tall conclusions in a single bound, and more civil and restrained speech, and respect for the intelligence of one's disputant. Maybe...

And if you're older than me and don't recognize Arnold Horshack (spelling corrected), from "Welcome Back Kotter," you're on the slide...

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Paul Myers 13 years ago

Tim,

Tall conclusions such as?

Such as assuming that was sarcasm instead of humor.

People who've spoken with me for more than 12 minutes would all have caught that...

Pul
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  OK Paul. I'm off to make some money. Have a good day. << Not sarcasm. By the way, you are OK in my book also.
  
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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Tim,Ooooo! Mistuh Kottah! Mistuh Kottah!

I know that one, Tim. It's called, among other things, a misdirect.

By the way... Do you like my Horschach impersonation?

Paul

I thought it was pretty good

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seasoned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Cite, please.Cite, please.

Gee, with the requirement to report associate income, tax sales, pay VAT, etc.... Look at clickbank, amazon, and even paypal(to a degree). THEY are doing it, and NOT out of the kindness of their hearts. And COPPA? I have seen several sites that haven't made advisories, etc...

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KimW

13 years ago

I was staying out because I'm not on my regular computer,looks like the HD may be failing and it is getting harder and harder to get out dated parts like IDE drives.
But anyway,Tim, last election I was mostly in agreement with your views and had your back (as you seemed to have mine too) often.
Sadly things have changed drastically in the past few years.
Do our views vary on a lot of things these days? Yep.Do I still consider you a friend? Yep.

That being said, I'm once again in alignment with you, I never watched Welcome Back Kotter either.

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13 years ago

Heysal,

You're right. I had a VERY realistic dream last night, but IT must have been a dream. I have seen scifi movies that seemed more real than some things today. So some times I really DO wonder. Who knows? People ARE working on things like the terminator. Will THAT some day look tame? And there HAVE been cases of people doing stuff like on "the net". Of course THAT was fairly realistic compared to the terminator that would stretch the limits of what most now consider possible.

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HeySal

13 years ago

I have never seen the Terminator so have absolutely no clue what wall you are bouncing off.

I have, however, had two very disturbing dreams myself. In one I was sitting in my living room smoking and the door was slammed in and a swat team came in. I put a pillow over my mouth to breath the smoke into the pillow so they wouldn't see it come out of my mouth -- that was during the talk about illegalizing smoking in whole towns.

The second one - years later - We were in a martial law take over and I had bugged out with Munchie. We were walking into Canada via the Mountains in Washington . I had just reached the border and there were Canadian border guards there standing in a line and basically allowing me to cross. I was right at the line - in the dream there was an actual line on the ground. Suddenly behind me I saw a whole string of US troops with guns pointed at me. I looked at them and looked over to the Canada side. I had to make a decision. Finally I looked at Munchie and he nodded. I turned and we took a step to go over the line. I woke up in a sweat wondering if my own troops shot me. But remembered the feeling that I was prepared to die than to go back.

It was a dream that has come back to haunt me frequently since the NDAA was signed.

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ThomM 13 years ago

Well seeing how we're talking about Tim now I mite as well have my say
There's no reason to even say Tim and I differ politically.
But I want you to know Tim at no time have I thought of you as being anything like that other guy.
It may not always be apparent but I respect you and I respect your views. You are one of the few on here that I conceder an "Internet friend" and someone who I'd like to meet in person someday.
We've had some pretty heated 'discussions' in the past, and probably will again in the future. But they have never altered what I think of you as a person.
As far as I'm concerned you're a damn good person, with a good heart, and I'm glad I know you even if it is just online.

O.K. enough of the nicey, nicey, mushy stuff, now I've got to go find a spammer to ridicule and harass
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13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I have never seen the Terminator so have absolutely no clue what wall you are bouncing off.

The idea of the terminator is that a guy from the future, who is really a self aware robot, goes to the past(current present) to kill the mother of a guy that will lead a revolt against the machines. The machines got in power because....

1. There was an international network(DONE)
2. The military used it(DONE)
3. The military created computer controlled drones(Basically DONE)
4. They made a pretty effective AI(WORKING ON IT)
5. It controlled everything through the net(Well, that could be done)
6. It managed to trick people into giving it more control, covertly(Technically, they are working on THAT)

Frankly, SO much is done by, and recorded on, computers that a person with the right knowledge, or persistence, could do a LOT. MAYBE even trick people into building better robot, with some circuitry that could be exploited to take over.

Of course, currently, the idea of being self aware, and having a reason to overthrow, etc... is 100% scifi BS, but WHO KNOWS? We have seen STRANGER!

I have, however, had two very disturbing dreams myself. In one I was sitting in my living room smoking and the door was slammed in and a swat team came in. I put a pillow over my mouth to breath the smoke into the pillow so they wouldn't see it come out of my mouth -- that was during the talk about illegalizing smoking in whole towns.

The second one - years later - We were in a martial law take over and I had bugged out with Munchie. We were walking into Canada via the Mountains in Washington . I had just reached the border and there were Canadian border guards there standing in a line and basically allowing me to cross. I was right at the line - in the dream there was an actual line on the ground. Suddenly behind me I saw a whole string of US troops with guns pointed at me. I looked at them and looked over to the Canada side. I had to make a decision. Finally I looked at Munchie and he nodded. I turned and we took a step to go over the line. I woke up in a sweat wondering if my own troops shot me. But remembered the feeling that I was prepared to die than go back.

It was a dream that has come back to haunt me frequently since the NDAA was signed.

WOW, and you say I am bouncing off the walls! I don't know if I have EVER had a dream where I was actually attacked, or a nation has threatened me.

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13 years ago

>>Re: It's Time To Rise..

After rereading the OP's title...maybe he was talking about having just taken viagra?

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Originally Posted by Kurt

>>Re: It's Time To Rise..

After rereading the OP's title...maybe he was talking about having just taken viagra?

Then we've all just been subjected to some strange porn.
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KimW

13 years ago

Actually Sal, I mentioned you and almost everyone posting in this thread right here:
"Especially the friends that I KNOW are filled with passion and love for our country."

I can't believe you have never seen The Terminator or its sequels though.
The Linda Hamilton role would fit you to a T

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MissTerraK 13 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

I can't believe you have never seen The Terminator or its sequels though.
The Linda Hamilton role would fit you to a T

I agree 100 percent, Kim!

Good call.

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Paul Myers 13 years ago

Tim,

One last note: sarcasm and humor aren't mutually exclusive.

Fair correction. I sit reminded.

Steve,

I asked for a cite, not a sequel.

Kim,

Sally with a shotgun? Scary.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

Actually Sal, I mentioned you and almost everyone posting in this thread right here:
"Especially the friends that I KNOW are filled with passion and love for our country."

I can't believe you have never seen The Terminator or its sequels though.
The Linda Hamilton role would fit you to a T

BTW heysal,

Take that as a COMPLIMENT! In that role, she plays the MOTHER of the kid. The future records were incomplete, and so the robot only knew her NAME, and what city she lived in. She heard about all these people dying with HER name, and SHE FOUGHT BACK! She managed to destroy it. BUT, a human friend of her sun came back to protect her, and he ended up being his friends father! Anyway, he died, and the mother lived and taught her son to be a BIG FIGHTER!

OH YEAH, people thought she was CRAZY, and locked her up, until the robot came in to KILL HER! He(arnold swartzenegger played him) came in, found out it was too hard to get in, and said "I'LL BE BACK"!!!!! He went outside, and used the truck to make an entrance, and chased after the mother.

You know..... Even THEN they thought she was crazy!

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HeySal

13 years ago

LOL Steve - Yep, I have exquisitely vibrant dreams - and often prophetic enough when vivid to actually make me cringe when I think of the two I cited here. Thanks for the rundown on the terminator - I was totally lost by your comments without it.

Kim - Terra.............Well thanks for thinking of me without picturing me in an electrostatic bag dress or shiny head gear.

Paul -- there aren't too many people I'd really be enthused about pointing a gun at, but there are several that would bring me much pleasure to knock the snot out of bare handed. Nothing more soothing on the nerves sometimes than the feel of warm flesh against a well placed back hand.:rolleyes:

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HeySal

13 years ago

Tim - Same here as Thom said. Your politics are exasperating to me, but you're still someone I think I could sit down and have a cold one with and share a few laughs. I just hope the country goes more my way than yours.

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TimPhelan

13 years ago

Well, we were thinking of getting together when you were in Cal, but it didn't happen. Yeah, you, Thom and I would get along for sure drinking a cold one, and don't forget smoking a big fat one. I'm pretty sure I would get along with all here if we met in person, even if their politics suck. haha

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Tim - Same here as Thom said. Your politics are exasperating to me, but you're still someone I think I could sit down and have a cold one with and share a few laughs. I just hope the country goes more my way than yours.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Well, we were thinking of getting together when you were in Cal, but it didn't happen. Yeah, you, Thom and I would get along for sure drinking a cold one, and don't forget smoking a big fat one. I'm pretty sure I would get along with all here if we met in person, even if their politics suck. haha

I never got down that far South, Tim. There's some tourmaline mines I wanted to visit down that way but frankly, going through that large a population center is something I wasn't going to do. I was there for about 2 months and figured out that I didn't like the place more than I thought I wouldn't like it and nobody could have paid me to go to where it was even more populated. Populated with Hard Core Califonians.

Liked the central Eastern Border though.

I was in NYS over half a year and I never once went near NYC either. They could hold a Warriors convention in NYC and send me free tickets to it and I wouldn't go. Serious. I hate major metropolitan areas with a passion.

Hey - your ex isn't still in the middle east right now is she? This might be a really good time for her to get her hinney back to the states.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Well, we were thinking of getting together when you were in Cal, but it didn't happen. Yeah, you, Thom and I would get along for sure drinking a cold one, and don't forget smoking a big fat one. I'm pretty sure I would get along with all here if we met in person, even if their politics suck. haha

Damn, left out again.

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MissTerraK 13 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

Damn, left out again.

No you weren't Kim.

You must have missed his disclaimer.

I'm pretty sure I would get along with all here if we met in person, even if their politics suck. haha

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KimW

13 years ago

Naw, I saw it Terra, but I wanted more! More more more!

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MissTerraK 13 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

Naw, I saw it Terra, but I wanted more! More more more!

LOL Kim!

Do you like to see your name in print? I think I can help...

Who is one of the warriors you'd like to meet in person - KimW

Who tries to hide their good heart behind a title of Cranky Old Man - KimW

Name one of the Warriors posts you always go to when you see they have posted - KimW

How am I doing?

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KimW

13 years ago

Awe Terra, now I feel like I should be hiring you as my publicity agent and sending you monthly checks!

(But it aint gonna happen)

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13 years ago

No, the point is not to insult those that don't agree with you. You lost some of us that were actually supporting some of what you said until you did that.

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GrantFreeman 13 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

No, the point is not to insult those that don't agree with you. You lost some of us that were actually supporting some of what you said until you did that.

Kim,

The intended purpose of this thread was to avoiding the bickering, and talking WITH people as opposed to talking AT people to find a solution.

There's a difference between insulting bad behavior & attitudes, and insulting the person. I tried to insult the attitude and leave the person out of it.

People are free to like or not like the message in the video. I don't have any stake in that outcome, and I definitely don't own other peoples feelings about something I don't have control over.

Can you see where I'm coming from? Can you see my mistake?

If you support my view, that's awesome. But I'm not interested in participating in the popularity contest. The purpose of the thread in the first place was to avoid all the bickering, and focus on a solution to a very deep problem.

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GrantFreeman

13 years ago

So the last comment ruffled a lot of feathers, huh?.

Yea, the forum has changed. And I can see why I shouldn't have posted those questions in the first place. It's too deep a subject. It's to big.

I'm not appologizing to any of you that are treating other warriors in the way I mentioned. Just not cool. it's like talking behind someones back and that's a problem that you need to handle by yourself. I made that comment for the people that should know better, not the ones that got caught up in the group dynamics thing.

Oh, shee's, I sound like my Dad.

Something else you don't know, is that every post I've made here, is written with the best intentions. They are never to deliberatly insult people for the sake of bringing someone down.

Most times, I fail at getting my point across like I want to, and probably hold the record of most post edits in 90 seconds.

So, If you're angry, that's cool. I can adapt and overcome. I can also forgive you too. 90% of the time the intention was only to teach or inspire ideas. The other 10% is to try to add some kind of humor to this crazy world we live in.

Grant

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KimW

13 years ago

Trust me, this isn't a popularity contest in OT.
I simply stated there were a lot of people taking action and your post,in my opinion,which along with $5 at Starbucks will get you a cup of coffee,was uncalled for,clumping all of us in the same category.
Anyway,I am done in this thread.
Have a great day.
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