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About that life?

by Tommy Gunnz
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A lot of these marketers online make so much money, they forget about everyone else. Buying up the cars, houses, going to the club with all the fine women... Are you about that life, is that how the business lifestyle suppose to be?
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    What do you mean "forget about everyone else"? Is there some sort of obligation people have to worry about how everyone else lives? Hearing that if you earn money for yourself means you have to spend it or all your time on everyone else's life gets real old real fast. If people want to live better - let them put in the same blood, sweat, and tears into making their own lives better that those who do so put into their effort. To think that every person who makes a buck is supposed to automatically become a social service is ridiculous.
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    I get the feeling the OP overestimates the truthiness of the sales letters they are exposed to.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Originally Posted by Tommy Gunnz View Post

    ...suppose to be?
    This is the line I dont get....Who in the world says its "supposed" to be anything...Life is what you want it to be, or MAKE it to be, and you have the perogative to change that on a dime whenever you want to...

    Personally I spent saturday limericking online with my friends, then went out to a club played pool with my little sister, listened to a great band, and watched the honkey tonk honeys pass by till 2 am....and didnt spend 50 dollars...And its NOBODY's business.

    Then I got up and went to church this morning!

    And yes, Im a fuilltime entrepreneur who hasnt had a job in years.

    My FAVORITE thing to do is curling up on a couch watching disney movies with my grand kids. No money required.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Tommy,

    You and the "99%"(They are NOT the 99%! Some are even in the 1%, etc....) won't develop any good friends this way.

    Frankly, I thoroughly RESENT the fact that so many want to treat people like me as punching bags just because we have a little success, or are simply alive. It was enough for me as a kid when it was physical, and you are probably the SAME guys!

    You would think that the poor would be HAPPY having a chance to do so well. You would think that the rich would just SHUT UP and mind their own business, since they can now relax.

    Do you realize that in the 1930s, $3K was a GREAT income! In 1967, the median income was $6,140! In 2011, the median income was $49,103. $6140 had roughly the same buying power as $49103!!!!!!!!!!!

    Look at this site: Median Household Income History in the United States

    Do you realize what this is saying? In this year, when that snapshot was taken, inflation has ALREADY gone up another 2%, in LESS THAN A YEAR! That may not sound like much, but it is about another $1000 of LOST buying power, and the year isn't even over! Taking in these facts, I need $16MILLION dollars to have a decent retirement. I might not even be able to travel with that little! FORGET social security! IF they don't cut it, and they WILL cut it, and I get NO other money, because they cut it when you do, that will only give me $240000, TOTAL! Or about 1/67th, about 1.5% of what I need! Ask anyone living on social security, they will tell you it isn't NEARLY enough.

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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Im not currently a millionaire Steve, but I am into six figures...and I did it MYSELF... so that is rich to me in its own way... I dont have any retirement that I dont create for myself, or the "advantage" of security...

    My security is my belief in myself.

    This is a forum where we discuss making MONEy, because thats what people come here to learn, if anyone is poor its not because every single bit of the information needed to "not be that way" isnt here.

    I didnt come from money... and we all have a choice,. personally IDEALS are more important to me...and teaching others to make money by themselves is a great reward...

    Although Im surrounded by people who ignorantly think its all about the money with me...and couldnt be more wrong. Its more about trying to inspire THEM!

    I think people who hate prosperous people are kidding themselves and they want prosperity too... the shame is that they can all get it but not by crying about others having more.

    The rich should be an INSPIRATION to the poor, but the poor are poor because they dont view it that way.

    You will become whatever you honor and give your honor to...I look up to Randy Gage, and hope to achieve what he has... You cant have prosperity and look down your nose at the prosperous simultaneously.

    The truth is that most of them have 3 times the work ethic of a poor me person.

    The prosperous are the ones who give jobs to the security seekers, through their own creativity and willingness to bear the burden of providing opportunity for others..

    They dont "have" to.

    Look at all the opportunity Allen Says provides here for instance, if you think it is not a burden for him at times, you are wrong. For providing that, he has alot of responsibility, and if he has a kings reward its well deserved.

    The security seekers complain about the ones who provide their opportunity, and themselves think only of themselves, and their own piece of the pie, which they feel is unfair.

    There are people who are richer than me, but I havent hated them for it since I grew up.

    I always regret expressing these strong opinions, I had better shut up.

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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      I think people who hate prosperous people are kidding themselves and they want prosperity too... the shame is that they can all get it but not by crying about others having more.

      The rich should be an INSPIRATION to the poor, but the poor are poor because they dont view it that way.
      I think that that the point was that the rich should give over all their trade secrets, so the poor, etc can get some wealth for themselves!

      Obviously if the rich gave away some of their ways to create wealth on a vast scale it could destroy the system or method that created wealth for the few! Destroy meaning, the keyword costs going from viable to excessive, or virtually not viable, because instead of 10, 000 wealthy people using it, 1 million are now using it!

      When you are dealing with online methods it isn't black and white!

      Showing your method to a small group of people who are looking for it, is ok. But if you try to advertise it on a large scale you may be cutting your own throat!


      the shame is that they can all get it but not by crying about others having more.
      Yep, totally agree, where is something to say about someone who refuses to give in, regardless of how many years they have been hitting their heads against the online brick wall. And it seems that being in the right place at the right time and finding something that finally works is inevitable!

      But that is not before most of your friends leave you, your family, wife, etc thinks that you are nuts and you are throwing your life away, etc, and you have stared into the abyss, more than once!

      And as for someone who has dumb luck, and becomes successful relatively easily, they usually end up worse off over time!


      I think that the poor and middle class aren't envious at the rich, it's just that they don't have the courage to go through what that person went through to get there!!! :rolleyes:

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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post



        I think that the poor and middle class aren't envious at the rich, it's just that they don't have the courage to go through what that person went through to get there!!! :rolleyes:

        Shane
        Exactly.

        I have given away every secret I have... for free even, right here on this forum. I have given every detail of every business model I have ever created, even Million dollar ones...

        But still.... saturation will never happen because most people will never take the advice.

        Wanna know how to run your own discount store?

        Go to walmart, the whole secret is sitting right there on the shelves, its the PERSON (Sam Walton) who made a difference. He even wrote a book on exactly how he did it and gave away every strategy to millions of people.

        The secret is in who YOU are...because the systems are all laid out... Look at this forum...

        You can see how to run a forum just by looking at it... You know from the stories freely given right in the War room how Allen did it.... but the person inside who is determined is what makes it work.

        This world will never be short on rich trying to share their wealth secrets and contribute knowledge to others... But it will always be short on people who are willing to be the "person" that a successful person decided to be...So every secret in the universe can be given, and there will still be the one percent and competition will never be oversaturated because of that reason.

        However, just because 99% stay where they are, doesnt mean you have a 99% chance of falure... It just means you have a decision to make which camp you are going to be in.

        The odds are not stacked against the 99% but they will always exist, because only 1% is willing to go the distance.

        Hell, share all your secrets in an advertisement during the superbowl.... still there will be the 99% because most will not take those secrets and run....I havent hidden ANYTHING, not even how I run my own forum to my own forum members....

        But only 1% will take my advice and go the distance I have gone...

        There is no lack of sharing at all.... in fact there is great hope that the secrets will be treasured, and no fear... But still 99% will not follow through.

        Its just a fact.

        There are 500,000 people on this forum, and 1% are sharing their VERY TRUE secrets with everyone else in hopes that they can contribute and help someone.

        Thats not a small handful, and doesnt even count the other half million who lurk and dont join.

        There is no lack of sharing.

        People get tired of the Warrior Forum's "Just do the work" attitude...but its the truth, thats all anyone is lacking.

        On another note:

        I dont care if you are from the poorest country on the planet... You have a sig and a voice at WF, and if you listen to the people here freely trying to teach you to use it, you can do the same thing they did with no money.

        But most wont...most will insist that they need more...because that relieves them of the responsibility to do something with what they have.

        Using that particular system for making money as an example:

        Heck I promise my posts here didnt come with no hard work or contribution, and yes they do make some money...and no I dont have anything that anyone else doesnt have in that regard.

        ANYONE can start a list, or at least anyone who can access this post to be reading it. Not many will go the distance though.

        All it requires is just dedication , contribution, hard work, long suffering, and faith. 99% are too prideful to pay those dues and they want a quick fix, that none of us had.

        It may appear that we are the prideful ones, but its the opposite, we humbled ourselves to the due paying process with great humility...we were not too proud to work.

        You have to be willing to take the journey to the epiphanies...not just the epiphanies themselves...because they are found at various unbeknown places along the road, around bends that you cant see around... unless you keep turning around the bends.

        I say this from experience, it isnt just poetry.

        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        most people can't imagine the kind of obsessive work it takes to get the ball rolling. It's those that "get it" that finally get out of their own traps and get ahead.
        I love you Sal. We dont have silver spoons, the warriors who teach about their journey... we just worked obsessively in a way that others refuse to imagine.

        People even use to make fun of me "look he stays on his forum 24/7..." and pointed out my post trails, as if that were some kind of indication that I wasnt a successful person.... But it made 100 Grand its first year... because I was so obsessed and posted 24/7... It didnt cost $15.00 to start it. Just alot of work and contribution.

        You wanna point fingers at me, instead of learn how I did it...Go for it. See you in the 99% while Im working my ass off to be the one percent trying to inspire you.
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

          Exactly.

          I have given away every secret I have... for free even, right here on this forum. I have given every detail of every business model I have ever created, even Million dollar ones...

          But still.... saturation will never happen because most people will never take the advice.

          Wanna know how to run your own discount store?

          Go to walmart, the whole secret is sitting right there on the shelves, its the PERSON (Sam Walton) who made a difference. He even wrote a book on exactly how he did it and gave away every strategy to millions of people.

          The secret is in who YOU are...because the systems are all laid out... Look at this forum...

          You can see how to run a forum just by looking at it... You know from the stories freely given right in the War room how Allen did it.... but the person inside who is determined is what makes it work.

          This world will never be short on rich trying to share their wealth secrets and contribute knowledge to others... But it will always be short on people who are willing to be the "person" that a successful person decided to be...So every secret in the universe can be given, and there will still be the one percent and competition will never be oversaturated because of that reason.

          However, just because 99% stay where they are, doesnt mean you have a 99% chance of falure... It just means you have a decision to make which camp you are going to be in.

          The odds are not stacked against the 99% but they will always exist, because only 1% is willing to go the distance.

          Hell, share all your secrets in an advertisement during the superbowl.... still there will be the 99% because most will not take those secrets and run....I havent hidden ANYTHING, not even how I run my own forum to my own forum members....

          But only 1% will take my advice and go the distance I have gone...

          There is no lack of sharing at all.... in fact there is great hope that the secrets will be treasured, and no fear... But still 99% will not follow through.

          Its just a fact.

          There are 500,000 people on this forum, and 1% are sharing their VERY TRUE secrets with everyone else in hopes that they can contribute and help someone.

          Thats not a small handful, and doesnt even count the other half million who lurk and dont join.

          There is no lack of sharing.

          People get tired of the Warrior Forum's "Just do the work" attitude...but its the truth, thats all anyone is lacking.

          On another note:

          I dont care if you are from the poorest country on the planet... You have a sig and a voice at WF, and if you listen to the people here freely trying to teach you to use it, you can do the same thing they did with no money.

          But most wont...most will insist that they need more...because that relieves them of the responsibility to do something with what they have.

          Using that particular system for making money as an example:

          Heck I promise my posts here didnt come with no hard work or contribution, and yes they do make some money...and no I dont have anything that anyone else doesnt have in that regard.

          ANYONE can start a list, or at least anyone who can access this post to be reading it. Not many will go the distance though.

          All it requires is just dedication , contribution, hard work, long suffering, and faith. 99% are too prideful to pay those dues and they want a quick fix, that none of us had.

          It may appear that we are the prideful ones, but its the opposite, we humbled ourselves to the due paying process with great humility...we were not too proud to work.

          You have to be willing to take the journey to the epiphanies...not just the epiphanies themselves...because they are found at various unbeknown places along the road, around bends that you cant see around... unless you keep turning around the bends.

          I say this from experience, it isnt just poetry.



          I love you Sal. We dont have silver spoons, the warriors who teach about their journey... we just worked obsessively in a way that others refuse to imagine.

          People even use to make fun of me "look he stays on his forum 24/7..." and pointed out my post trails, as if that were some kind of indication that I wasnt a successful person.... But it made 100 Grand its first year... because I was so obsessed and posted 24/7... It didnt cost $15.00 to start it. Just alot of work and contribution.

          You wanna point fingers at me, instead of learn how I did it...Go for it. See you in the 99% while Im working my ass off to be the one percent trying to inspire you.
          John -
          And you know I have looked over your programs - I know what you do and how you did it........but I couldn't do it. It's not right for me. I had to find something more my own tune. I still, learned some tricks from you. People who are going to make it, will do so - they will look until they find their own way, but will take what they can and what they need from each person they know succeeded that they find on their way. Success is not copying - that's where a lot of people become confused and fail. Success is knowing where you want to go and being able to figure out what supplies and vehicles are needed to get there. What keeps people back is that they don't know anything about the destination. Rich is not a destination. It's a result of reaching one.
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          • Profile picture of the author John Durham
            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            John -
            And you know I have looked over your programs - I know what you do and how you did it........but I couldn't do it. It's not right for me. I had to find something more my own tune. I still, learned some tricks from you. People who are going to make it, will do so - they will look until they find their own way, but will take what they can and what they need from each person they know succeeded that they find on their way. Success is not copying - that's where a lot of people become confused and fail. Success is knowing where you want to go and being able to figure out what supplies and vehicles are needed to get there. What keeps people back is that they don't know anything about the destination. Rich is not a destination. It's a result of reaching one.
            I guess we pick a little here and a little there...and the truth is that we stumble onto our own formula after a while of learning from others...Thats why I say success could be behind any bend, but you wont know unless you turn the bends...

            Learning others success formulas is good, but what we all have to "find" is our own personal epiphany - which are the moments when the culmination of everything we know and are comes together to make a moment of sense and give an indication of a potential "way" that is right for "us".

            For instance, most things I didnt plan...I was learning from a bunch of others, and having my own experiences... and then at certain times those two came together and created AHA moments.

            I enjoyed reading once about Allens AHA moment with the WF... It didnt come right away, he had to turn a few bends to come to his epiphany.

            Nevertheless, I dont think there is a secret in the book that isnt on the Warrior forum...how those things amalgamate within us and work with who we are is the magic, and if you are willing to keep turning the bends, you come to your own epiphanies about what works for you.

            Ps. Sal when I said "You" in that last post, I didnt mean "You",.... Hope it didnt come across like that.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            Success is not copying - that's where a lot of people become confused and fail.
            No, not by copying, but success can be achieved by emulating ... attitude, effort, determination, focus, and other traits common to the successful.
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            • Profile picture of the author HeySal
              Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

              No, not by copying, but success can be achieved by emulating ... attitude, effort, determination, focus, and other traits common to the successful.
              Yes - the qualities of the successful have to be there and engaged - and so does the openness to examine and learn from other's techniques. In the end, you have to make it your own, though.

              You write, for example. But did you look at, say Stephen King, and say - there is a successful writer. If I write just like him I can be successful, too? Of course you didn't. You may have studied what he did and may apply some of his technique - but in the long run, your success was because you brought yourself into it. Many make money following John's direction - but those that really "get it" have brought themselves into it. That's the last step that those that don't make it miss. They copy because it's easy, then rage because it didn't work for them. They didn't engage themselves. They may work at it but they didn't bring the qualities the successful possess (those you listed) into play.

              Those that don't get anywhere trust others to give them what they have to have inside to make it over the hurdles. They fail, and end up hating and mistrusting those that make it.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                Some excellent comments in this thread - but the only thing I get from the OP is an entitlement mentality.
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                • Profile picture of the author John Durham
                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                  Some excellent comments in this thread - but the only thing I get from the OP is an entitlement mentality.
                  Yeah, the OP was a waste but we made it valuable Kay.
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              • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                tagiscom - I disagree - the middle class and poor are extremely jealous of the rich - sometimes to the point of actual hatred. What they refuse to look at is that if they were to get off their asses and do something, they might have a chance themselves. Most people have no clue what is involved in earning and leveraging money. It's too much work and most people can't imagine the kind of obsessive work it takes to get the ball rolling. It's those that "get it" that finally get out of their own traps and get ahead.
                Yep, ok, l was referring more on the side of their subconscious. At a deep level they know that they don't have the persistence to do it, although consciously, as you have said, they just classify the rich as "Lucky, etc".


                All it requires is just dedication , contribution, hard work, long suffering, and faith. 99% are too prideful to pay those dues and they want a quick fix, that none of us had.
                Yep, words of wisdom, but as others have said, everyone needs to find their own way!

                Or a lot of people go online hoping that they can find a push button concept and become rich, which unless you invest great sums into some software, isn't true!

                I know that playing golf can create wealth, but it isn't the right path for me, or l don't have the dedication, eventhough l enjoy playing!

                And of course there is so much BS out there, it makes people respondent, or negative about the whole online thing. Or they just assume that the whole online thing is a scam, etc.

                Unfortunately it is when someone has had enough with their years of failure, and broken dreams; that when something that is real and relatively simple and easy does show up they may ignore it!


                Yep, success is an easy formula of hard work and dogged determination.


                But emotionally it is the hardest thing in the world!


                Only makes the view more spectacular when you reach the top!!! :rolleyes:


                John -
                And you know I have looked over your programs - I know what you do and how you did it........but I couldn't do it. It's not right for me. I had to find something more my own tune. I still, learned some tricks from you. People who are going to make it, will do so - they will look until they find their own way, but will take what they can and what they need from each person they know succeeded that they find on their way. Success is not copying - that's where a lot of people become confused and fail. Success is knowing where you want to go and being able to figure out what supplies and vehicles are needed to get there. What keeps people back is that they don't know anything about the destination. Rich is not a destination. It's a result of reaching one.
                Yep, couldn't agree more! It's the fear of the unknown that keeps people stuck, much easier to give up and find a safe, secure, repetitive job!

                And by job l mean, forgetting about the online business, and just relying on a job income only!!!


                Those that don't get anywhere trust others to give them what they have to have inside to make it over the hurdles. They fail, and end up hating and mistrusting those that make it.
                Yep, that is true, but there are a lot of methods out there that a small minority make a lot of money with, and the majority can't!

                Even after following the rules to the letter. SEO, is a classic example, or website building. Most can't get it to work, (make money), but a small minority do!

                Then after hearing about these successful people on the forums the majority start to think, are these few just lucky, or are they using something l don't know about?

                Or worse, am l just unlucky, etc...

                Then after years of trying, and listening to their 1000 visitors a day, etc,. As some of you have said, resentment sets in.


                No, making money online isn't easy, emotionally it can be gut-wrenching, but the rewards are worth the effort!!

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              • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                Yes - the qualities of the successful have to be there and engaged - and so does the openness to examine and learn from other's techniques. In the end, you have to make it your own, though.

                Those that don't get anywhere trust others to give them what they have to have inside to make it over the hurdles. They fail, and end up hating and mistrusting those that make it.
                Oh I agree with that. We're on the same page, I was just adding some notes in the margin.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        [quote=tagiscom;7168555]I think that that the point was that the rich should give over all their trade secrets, so the poor, etc can get some wealth for themselves![quote]

        A wealth secret to one person is often EXTREMELY valuable! That SAME secret known by everyone becomes WORTHLESS! What if all knew all the technology and suppliers of apples products? They could all make the products, and NONE would make money.


        I think that the poor and middle class aren't envious at the rich, it's just that they don't have the courage to go through what that person went through to get there!!! :rolleyes:

        Shane
        HEY, the REAL middle class DON'T fault the honest rich for being rich. HELL! I went to a place in florida about a year ago. There is a VERY rich family there! They have a STREET NAMED after them! On that street are CAR dealerships, salons, healthclubs, and a hospital, OWNED by them! They have at least 2 parks named after them. If they went out of business, a huge sector of the car market, in the US, would disappear and take a LOT of companies with them.

        OK, is THAT rich enough? FUNNY! everyone seemed to know their name, and they WEREN'T hated! Maybe it was because it was a MIDDLE CLASS area?

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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Im not currently a millionaire Steve, but I am into six figures...and I did it MYSELF... so that is rich to me in its own way... I dont have any retirement that I dont create for myself, or the "advantage" of security...

      My security is my belief in myself.<snip>
      As someone who comes from squandered wealth, I like the way you think.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Im not currently a millionaire Steve, but I am into six figures...and I did it MYSELF... so that is rich to me in its own way... I dont have any retirement that I dont create for myself, or the "advantage" of security...

      My security is my belief in myself.

      This is a forum where we discuss making MONEy, because thats what people come here to learn, if anyone is poor its not because every single bit of the information needed to "not be that way" isnt here.

      I didnt come from money... and we all have a choice,. personally IDEALS are more important to me...and teaching others to make money by themselves is a great reward...

      Although Im surrounded by people who ignorantly think its all about the money with me...and couldnt be more wrong. Its more about trying to inspire THEM!

      I think people who hate prosperous people are kidding themselves and they want prosperity too... the shame is that they can all get it but not by crying about others having more.

      The rich should be an INSPIRATION to the poor, but the poor are poor because they dont view it that way.

      You will become whatever you honor and give your honor to...I look up to Randy Gage, and hope to achieve what he has... You cant have prosperity and look down your nose at the prosperous simultaneously.

      The truth is that most of them have 3 times the work ethic of a poor me person.

      The prosperous are the ones who give jobs to the security seekers, through their own creativity and willingness to bear the burden of providing opportunity for others..

      They dont "have" to.

      Look at all the opportunity Allen Says provides here for instance, if you think it is not a burden for him at times, you are wrong. For providing that, he has alot of responsibility, and if he has a kings reward its well deserved.

      The security seekers complain about the ones who provide their opportunity, and themselves think only of themselves, and their own piece of the pie, which they feel is unfair.

      There are people who are richer than me, but I havent hated them for it since I grew up.

      I always regret expressing these strong opinions, I had better shut up.

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      Edgar A. Guest
      Figure it out for yourself, my lad.
      You've got all that the greatest of men have had,
      Two arms, two hands, two legs, two eyes,
      And a brain to use if you would be wise.

      With this equipment they all began,
      So start for the top and say, "I Can."
      Look them over, the wise and the great,
      They take their food from a common plate,

      And similar knives and forks they use,
      With similar laces they tie their shoes.
      The world consider them brave and smart,
      But you've got all they had when they made their start.

      You can triumph and come to skill,
      You can be great if you only will.
      You're well equipped for the fight you choose,
      You have arms and legs and a brain to use.

      And the man who has risen great deeds to do,
      Began his life with no more than you.
      You are the handicap you must face,
      You are the one who must choose your place,

      You must say where you want to go,
      How much you will study the truth to know.
      God has equipped you for life, but He
      Lets you decide what you want to be.

      Courage must come from the soul within,
      The man must furnish the will to win.
      So figure it out for yourself, my lad,
      You were born with all the great have had,

      With your equipment they all began.
      Get hold of yourself, and say: "I Can."

      Collected Verse of Edgar Guest
      NY:Buccaneer Books, 1976, pg. 666
      For the record, I AGREE with you! I was simply saying that a person with 2 fish may have a family, friends, animals, etc.... and may tomorrow get NO fish, so it is unjust to simply demand the fish because you don't have any. It is like the old story of the ant and the grasshopper. It is better to be a prepared ant, than an unprepared grasshopper.

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    tagiscom - I disagree - the middle class and poor are extremely jealous of the rich - sometimes to the point of actual hatred. What they refuse to look at is that if they were to get off their asses and do something, they might have a chance themselves. Most people have no clue what is involved in earning and leveraging money. It's too much work and most people can't imagine the kind of obsessive work it takes to get the ball rolling. It's those that "get it" that finally get out of their own traps and get ahead.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Thanks T.

    As someone who didnt come from wealth, but later achieved some, maybe you can see why its so important for me to share with others. I appreciate you.
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Thanks T.

      As someone who didnt come from wealth, but later achieved some, maybe you can see why its so important for me to share with others. I appreciate you.
      It is totally up to you what you share or don't share with others, not my place to judge one way or the other. Of course, I think it is commendable that you generously share your hard-gained knowledge with others. I hope you're also sharing your music since I've never heard any of your songs and would like to.
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    I keep intending to do that T. I had my ex wife send me some of my demos awhile back... so i could upload them, but for some reason when I put the cd into my computer the volume wasnt very loud... later I found it was because my daughter had changed my settings so she could watch a movie, but not before taking them to her house... since then I have been asking for them back but she seems to not know where they are... Sigh... lol I will get some music up, truly look forward to sharing it. I also have some old band pics...

    I love posting here, hopefully it doesnt come off as too self indulgent.
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

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      I love posting here, hopefully it doesnt come off as too self indulgent.
      I think it's cool. I'll bet a lot of forum readers here would like to hear it (when you can overcome those various glitches and manage it)
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Here's a couple of old music pics...I could only find two in this computer...One is at a band practice and the other is back stage after a show... Will get some music up whenever I can.

    On pic #1 I was WASTED... I may take these down, they are a little embarassing and I may regret it...I have better ones of actual shows... somewhere.

    This was maybe...18 years ago,

    On Pic number 2 have no idea why the shirt was unbuttoned so far so dont ask....but that guitar is the favorite one I ever owned. Any person who knows studio equipment and looks at the mic can see it was at the studio where we rehearsed. We rehearsed into studio mics alot and then listened back for improvements.

    At the time my management company had us set up in a 48 track studio where I reported 8 hours a day- to rehearse for 2 hours, then go to the songwriting room and write all day. Then play gigs at night 4-5 times per week.

    Ps. I was probably wasted in pic 2 as well. lol Lots of wasting back in those days...





    We had two studios, one upstairs for recording actual tracks, and the other downstairs in the basement for rehearsals...pic two is the downstars one, as you can see from the block walls...the one upstairs was completely padded....
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    Based on the pictures, I'm guessing country music.

    (All that studying of private investigation that I never applied is starting to pay off.)
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      Based on the pictures, I'm guessing country music.

      (All that studying of private investigation that I never applied is starting to pay off.)
      You guessed it. It was some kick butt rockin country though, as far as performance anyway...as a writer, I had to write 8 songs per month so I wrote every style imagineable.

      This, again , didnt come without a TON TON TON of hard work.
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        You guessed it. It was some kick butt rockin country though, as far as performance anyway...as a writer, I had to write 8 songs per month so I wrote every style imagineable.
        Very cool. Every style imaginable? I'm trying to imagine your rap songs and Beijing Opera numbers, lol. All kidding aside, I look forward to it.
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        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        You guessed it. It was some kick butt rockin country though, as far as performance anyway...as a writer, I had to write 8 songs per month so I wrote every style imagineable.
        I always wondered who was behind all those Mongolian Throat Singing pop hits...

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    Thanks T.
    I like the way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    @ John Durham - There were only two posts in this thread when I first opened it. I had to go do some stuff but was going to come back and reply later. When I refreshed the page and saw your first post, well, you said all that needed to be said and said it as well as anyone could. You're shining like a diamond in the night.

    I salute you.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I would like to add Sal, in case you didnt read the edit, that when I said "You", I didnt mean "You" personally.

    (Gosh darn it Axle, I thought we already learned this! Arrrgh...)
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      I would like to add Sal, in case you didnt read the edit, that when I said "You", I didnt mean "You" personally.

      (Gosh darn it Axle, I thought we already learned this! Arrrgh...)
      I know that. Ya might as well have, though - it's taken me forever to figure out exactly how I should be doing what I do best.
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