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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    I hate to say it, but I think we've been duped.

    It looks like a Glen Beck production, designed for sheer shock value.

    It really got me.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    WTF? I hope that's a joke. I have lived a good life, too - and I damned well intend to keep doing so for at least a few more decades. If the youngin's don't like it - they can go get themselves sterilized. F*** that crap. If it's too crowded for ya - quit dropping babies like a bunch of rabbits.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    It looks like Koch Bros propaganda to me. Who produced it? Not actual Agenda 21 supporters, I'm pretty sure. I'm a capitalist myself from a long line of capitalists, not a world government supporter, but I smell BS here.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    People are pretty controlled here, Ernie. But I don't think they've gotten to the point where they've inverted our survival instinct so bad that they have made people think that it's their duty to check out of the hotel early yet. America still likes individual liberties - they aren't quite ready to just commit suicide yet for the greater cause. If it gets that deep, you can be very terrified for us.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Earnie - allowing yourself to be euthanized IS suicide. If someone is going to kill you and you don't make an attempt to save your life - that's suicide.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Earnie - allowing yourself to be euthanized IS suicide. If someone is going to kill you and you don't make an attempt to save your life - that's suicide.
      Actually, suicide is two words:

      SU <- ONES SELF
      icide <- KILL

      So it means to kill ones self.

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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        Actually, suicide is two words:

        SU <- ONES SELF
        icide <- KILL

        So it means to kill ones self.

        Steve
        No shit, Steve?

        Let me repeat that --- Not preventing your own murder is "killing yourself". Did you hear the people in the ad? They are completely acquiescent to being shuffled off and butchered. That qualifies for suicide in my book - completely defies any form of survival instinct whatsoever. What kind of brainwashing does it take to get people to nullify their survival instinct anyway?
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Did you hear the people in the ad? They are completely acquiescent to being shuffled off and butchered.
            I didn't hear any such thing - I saw an ad that could be construed to mean what you are inferring - but exactly where was the "shuffle off and butcher" part? Did I miss part of the ad?

            This is an exaggerated example of flogging public opinion and people fall for it. It's a "granny off the cliff" argument so of course it's stupid. But - do you give an 86 yr old "granny" a heart transplant or move her up on the kidney recipient list?

            A while back it was suggested that perhaps it didn't make sense to provide extreme treatments to those of advanced age. Seems to me that was the basic premise that led to a lot of the more recent "OMG" statements.

            We've been taught that "everything should be done to save a life" - that "it's worth any cost to save a life" - yet death is the natural conclusion to a long life and all the medicine and money (and outrage) in the world won't change that.

            Just sayin....perspective is a good thing.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          No shit, Steve?

          Let me repeat that --- Not preventing your own murder is "killing yourself". Did you hear the people in the ad? They are completely acquiescent to being shuffled off and butchered. That qualifies for suicide in my book - completely defies any form of survival instinct whatsoever. What kind of brainwashing does it take to get people to nullify their survival instinct anyway?
          Historically, outside of those allowing "assisted suicide", they charge them with HOMICIDE(To kill people) but of a higher degree! So shooting is FIRST degree homicide(direct and highest), paying one to commit homicide might be SECOND degree and influencing it in some way or otherwise assisting indirectly might be THIRD degree. Fourth is merely if you took part in something where the killing was an obvious possibility by others.

          BTW Kevorkian effectively, as I understand it, provided a vehicle for people to kill themselves. Had HE actually used it on them, many could argue first degree homicide in many ways.

          As for brainwashing? Well, MANY are guilty of that. as far as *I* am concerned, most BAKERS are!!!! Follow me on this, because it seems to be something many scientists don't seem to be able to figure out!

          1. People with alzheimers at least TEND to be those having more beta amyloid. Newly establish scientific finding!
          2. One of the most common elements on the planet is ALUMINUM! It is THE most common in the crust, and the THIRD most common on the planet. That is COMMON! FACT!
          3. Apparently there is NO need for aluminum! Apparently a FACT!
          4. Alzheimer patients have brain matter replaced with a beta amyloid plaque containing ALUMINUM! FACT!

          So WHY do they keep trying to stuff us with aluminum? Have you noticed how many things include it? I recently read the ingredients on an otis spunkmeyer muffin. IT contains aluminum! And HEYSAL!? You hate flouride! WHERE does all that flouride come from? Ever wonder? Aluminium fluoride - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia It is used to process ALUMINUM!

          At least I am not the ONLY one to have noticed the OBVIOUS links!

          Aluminum + Fluoride = Alzheimer's and Dementia | Farm Wars

          Anyway, Alzheimers leads to depression, psychosis, forgetfulness, clumsiness, and paranoia. ALL things that can lead to murder of onsself or others by accident or purpose. As I indicated earlier, a definite tie would mean this would be 1st to 3rd degree MURDER!

          Is brainwashing REALLY different from putting people in a position where normal circumstances would dictate the same actions? According to various trials, including worldwide trials in international circumstances, ******NO******! In other words, brainwashing a person to believe that they should kill someone, and setting the other up to appear to be one that should be murdered, should have the same sentence of those that set up the circumstances.

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Ernie Lo View Post

      Seasoned so what you're saying is the commercial is probably legit and nothing to do with Glen Beck?
      WOW, crossed messages.

      Forget I said anything. It looks like it IS glenn beck. I DOUBT he was trying to propagandize though. HRE, we see it out of context of his site, or other videos, etc...

      STILL, there have been disinterested parties that have shown things like what heysal spoke about, and it would have been costly and embarassing to produce some, like ones that CLEARLY came from a UN event, so I believe the gist of that video is TRUE! Some of the WEIRDER stuff, yeah, even weirder than THIS, is FACT! It is already happening! People being arrested and even held at gun point for changing simple features on their land, homes that are tinier than some BATHROOMS used to be, etc..... Even the war on the middle class, etc... I could say more, BUT....

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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    I agree Steve, 100 percent. I can say no more too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
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    "I hope to die before I get old"...

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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      After out growing the stage where "He's just young" was an excuse, I started waiting for the day when "He's just old and senile" could be my new excuse.
      Only 182 days to go
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      • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        After out growing the stage where "He's just young" was an excuse, I started waiting for the day when "He's just old and senile" could be my new excuse.
        Only 182 days to go
        I hear you...

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  • Profile picture of the author Demetrius
    Who have got the control over born and death? You will see a lot of young people are dieing comparing older people. We cannot even guarantee our life for 1 minute how can we expect anyone else to die?
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Don't know how real the video is but the concept has been around for a long time. Take a look at this. The US was once active in promoting:

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  • Profile picture of the author JamesColin
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    No big deal, in 100 years we're all going to be dead, most of us anyway. We're like cells in human body, we live we die, but the body lives on until it dies out too, but it is part of a larger organism which is still going on.

    Don't make a big deal out of our little life, we think it matters just because we happen to live it, but otherwise, in all honesty, we don't matter :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Steve - the fluoride in water is SODIUM fluoride. It isn't natural, it's industrial waste.

    What all that has to do with eugenics is beyond me. People thinking of allowing themselves to be nuked at a certain age is just beyond reality if you ask me. There are ways of leaching metals out of your system. If someone has a brain distortion such as Alzheimer, and they are euthanized because of age - that's just murder. They don't really know what's going on. If a person knows and allows it - and we're not saying deadly ill people as in the case of the Doctor - we're saying at a specific age - solely because of the age, then they are committing suicide. Period.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Steve - the fluoride in water is SODIUM fluoride. It isn't natural, it's industrial waste.

      What all that has to do with eugenics is beyond me. People thinking of allowing themselves to be nuked at a certain age is just beyond reality if you ask me. There are ways of leaching metals out of your system. If someone has a brain distortion such as Alzheimer, and they are euthanized because of age - that's just murder. They don't really know what's going on. If a person knows and allows it - and we're not saying deadly ill people as in the case of the Doctor - we're saying at a specific age - solely because of the age, then they are committing suicide. Period.
      YEP, INDUSTRIAL waste! My point was simply that one industry is ALUMINUM processing.

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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    America has a very popular eugenics organization with many members. It was founded by an enthusiastic eugenics proponent by the name of Cyril Burt.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Poisoning a whole population is one thing - and asking people to acquiesce to being killed at XX age is another. The point of this thread isn't poison in food - it's "hey - 85th birthday? Time to zap ya." Both are absolutely Orwellian nightmares, but I'm just trying to stay on the subject line of the thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Let me repeat that --- Not preventing your own murder is "killing yourself". Did you hear the people in the ad? They are completely acquiescent to being shuffled off and butchered. That qualifies for suicide in my book - completely defies any form of survival instinct whatsoever. What kind of brainwashing does it take to get people to nullify their survival instinct anyway?
      Stupid ones!!! :rolleyes:

      Shane


      But seriously the Fluoride in water, being a metal waste product is a new fact to me, explains why l feel sick drinking tap water.

      I get half way through a normal glass of water and l start to feel ill.

      Glad l carry a small bottle of filtered water around with me, l just thought they did it to control the masses, but it seems they are keeping people sick as well, so they Pharmaceutical company's, can keep their profits rolling in.

      Yep, tap water is good for a swimming pool, but not much else!
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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    Renewal is a beautiful thing Especially when your friends are clapping and cheering

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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

        I hear you...

        I want to be a WalMart door greeter...!
        I find it rather comforting to know I can take my doors to Walmart and someone will be there to greet them.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Ernie Lo View Post

        Imperfect babies must die too it seems

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkGVYt-1Zhk
        Well, they have said that they prefer around 14-40yo, healthy, ignorant, non middle class, that follow THEIR rules.

        The non middle class/ignorant part is interesting! They don't actually say ignorant, but it is implied. They claim the middle class produces more waste, etc... Well, I could name some millionares and billionares that CLEARLY *****THEMSELVES***** produce more waste in one day, and sometimes less than a day, than I produce in in any year. That is WITHOUT any work to support that, and WITHOUT the businesses, etc... they may run that also do it. HECK, I spent most of my years, for the past decade, as a PEDESTRIAN. And I have seen some poor people produce a lot of waste also. Though they clearly have trouble producing what some very rich can.

        And if you are less than about 14, they figure they can sacrifice you for someone older, that they have more invested in. But if you are older than like 40, such decisions tend to weigh more towards someone younger.

        I have heard about the last one from almost the beginning. Granted, it MIGHT not have been from the UN, but it was from almost anyone else. And don't forget, the government is moving towards being in the other industries.

        Basically, they want someone that can be like a machine. Like robots. Young people don't have the consistency, and old people may also "break down". In a heartless practical sense, it is perfectly logical..

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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Steve - You give "them" too much credit.

          Agenda 21 as presented by Soros these days (in his interpretation of the old UN proposal) - is as far left as you can get. Beck is way right of that which makes it good fodder for him to chew on.

          Personally - I don't worry about either extreme as I think they are both nuts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    And this, ladies and gentlemen, is how viral marketing in order to sell something happens in the real world.

    Agenda 21: Glenn Beck, Harriet Parke:...Agenda 21: Glenn Beck, Harriet Parke:...
    Like it or not, disturbing or refreshing, agree with him or not, you've got to admit he's probably got another bestseller on his hands here in a few days.

    Despite any political beliefs we may not agree with, we can probably learn a thing or two from watching how people, like Glenn, sell things in the real world.

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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

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      Like it or not, disturbing or refreshing, agree with him or not, you've got to admit he's probably got another bestseller on his hands here in a few days.

      Despite any political beliefs we may not agree with, we can probably learn a thing or two from watching how people, like Glenn, sell things in the real world.

      Mark
      I don't like Glenn Beck at all. I can't stand him (and if he has opinions similar to mine in some areas, I'd prefer another person to represent them), but I agree with your point here about picking up marketing pointers from such widely broadcast personalities.
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      Despite any political beliefs we may not agree with, we can probably learn a thing or two from watching how people, like Glenn, sell things in the real world.

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      I disagree. Beck will sell lots of books because he is a "celebrity".

      There would be much more to learn from a complete nobody who manages to get a best seller out there, and not much to learn at all from someone who already has a big fanbase.

      Unless of course that's the lesson. First become a celebrity, then write a book.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
        I agree, being popular, helps. But if being a celebrity were the end all and be all (nothing else was needed) they wouldn't put out viral videos, appear on talk shows such as late night TV, etc.

        Maybe the real lesson is that even when a person is famous, they still have to keep their brand and product in the public eye - that comes through marketing.

        Also remember that just a few years ago he was a nobody too. Maybe he became a celebrity by good marketing.

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        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        I disagree. Beck will sell lots of books because he is a "celebrity".

        There would be much more to learn from a complete nobody who manages to get a best seller out there, and not much to learn at all from someone who already has a big fanbase.

        Unless of course that's the lesson. First become a celebrity, then write a book.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyTorrents
    A girl im seeing has a grandpa who is 101 years old and he always gives me food so I think old people should stay alive for as long as possible. At least... the ones who give me food...
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