IS this true about women?

You're going after the wrong women.

Watch "Married...with Children" and hear what Al has to say about it.

The bad boys are the only good boys!

Of course they do, Homer Simpson is a simple guy.

Just make sure you wine and dine them occasionally . . . .

What OP said, is true (to some extent) for younger women.

When your young, most people aren't looking to settle down straight away, and the bad boy gives the girl some excitement.

However, later on when the girl grows up, THEN they start chasing the 'good guy'. You know, the nice guy, who treats them well, is stable etc.

Usually the 'bad girl syndrome' happens late in school and throughout college, around the age of 28 thats when most girls change, and need structure and stability so they start going after the good guys.

My response is very general of course, and not all women are like this, but thats what I gathered from my observations

All women are different. Sure, some women fall for the wrong people, but plenty don't. Everyone is different.

I think that it is true that we should most often not make broad generalizations in our minds and then accept them as fact.

I spent 4 years in the seduction community, have read every book that exists on sexual evolution & biology (favorite being sperm wars). I've even read books/research on the mating rituals of octopus, fish, and various land animals. Why? Well for one, I have my degree in psychology, I'm naturally interested in this stuff.

Number 2, I was a virgin for far too many years of my early life. And I decided I couldn't keep going on with my life, being deprived of the 1 thing I cared about most, as a young man.... which was sex.

To keep things short. I have learned A LOT. I also studied NLP (still do) which is a great field to learn if you want to become competent with women & communication in general.

So let me put it like this, women are NOT attracted to "bad men". This is a huge myth. Its also a huge generalization. Women are attracted A LOT to "social status". Its been like that for thousands of years. Even in our tribal days, there was always 1 man who led the tribe, got all the women, and the only way the beta males got laid, was by being friends with the alpa male.

You still see this same pattern these days. 5% of men are having more sex than they know how to handle, and 95% of men typically have negative things to say about their sex lives. Even men who are married. All these men have specific schemas for women, and have been conditioned to be attracted to a certain type of woman. Which is mostly relevant to their culture, biology and evolution. The ironic thing is, a lot of these men do NOT marry the women who fit into these schemas.

Same goes for women. Society/biology conditions women to be attracted to very specific traits. Women tend to go after tall men, it makes them feel safe. So if you're short, you usually need to compensate with other things. Social skills can be one of those things. Women also like men who are charismatic. But what they're REALLY attracted to, are adaptable men. Men who know how to both impose and overcome boundaries.

I tend to believe, that women derive A LOT of sexual pleasure by putting up walls of resistance (boundaries), and having a man OVERCOME that resistance. This is the most primitive way that a woman can test a mans "sexual fitness". And there is a science to overcoming these boundaries (developed by the seduction community). It does NOT involve acting like a douchebag. It involves a specific type of social intelligence, that conveys social status.

Here is another thing that really gets women going. Body language! Its probably one of the most important aspects of social intelligence, but most men have no idea how to use their body language the right way. In fact, have you ever met a man that has sex with a lot of women but SEEMS really quiet? If you watch these guys, you will notice they are experts at bodylanguage. Thats why when I'm trying to get a woman interested, I often focus MORE on my bodylanguage, then the words that come out of my mouth.

Things like:

Tone of voice - (hi/nervous vs low/relaxed)

Volume of voice - (always better to speak a little bit louder than the woman when you first meet her. Then as sexual interest peaks, you can lower the volume that you speak with)

Pacing of speech - (fast/nervous vs slow/relaxed)

Fidgeting - (cut it all out, its the womans job to fidget. when she plays with her hair, this is usually a sign of interest.)

Eye contact - (never evade eye contact, always hold eye contact longer than the woman does, when she looks away you immediately do the same thing, and do not reengage untill you see her looking at you again from your peripheral vision. Then you repeat the process, dominate with holding eye contact longer than she does, break eye contact the second she looks away)

Angle of body - In the begining of an interaction, always tilt your body away from the woman. You ONLY FACE HER WHEN she earns approval or qualifies herself to you. By agreeing with things you say or conveying interest. When she does this, square up with her, when she does something bad, punish her with your body language. Tilt your body away, look away from her, etc. All these super subtle behavoirs convey social status to women.

Body movements - If the woman reaches out to hand you something, move slowly. Don't overcompensate by rushing yourself. Again, this sounds like an asshole thing to do, but it displays social status. Women HATE men who overcompensate. And there are MILLIONS of ways the men overcompensate to women.

Supplication - Women hate men who supplicate. Again, things like buying drinks. If the womans a stranger... why buy her anything? You don't know her! ONLY BUY THINGS for them when they *earn* it. All these guys buying their GF's rings when they act like spoiled bitches.... you are REWARDING NEGATIVE BEHAVOIR. Its like giving a dog a bone after it shits on the floor.

You should NEVER buy gifts frequently. Plus a gift is such a superficial way to show respect to someone. Do something original that takes some actual thought and time. And do these things RANDOMLY when she LEAST EXPECTS IT.

I can go on forever with this stuff.

But when you really break most of it down, it comes to a dynamic of "punish vs reward". It is THAT precise dynamic that conditions any type of animal. And when you master this dynamic, it conveys HUGE social status.

It is the ONLY way that a man can assert his boundaries and earn respect at the same time. Attractive women get away with A LOT of nonsense because they have something most men want. So ironically, these same types of women are attracted to men who DO NOT GIVE them what they want. These men ONLY GIVE these attractive women what THEY EARN.

This is why, every single time a woman has asked me to buy her a drink, I have turned her down immediately. Other times, I have asked the waiter for a glass of water. Then the second he puts it down, I drink it for myself & start laughing.

AGAIN, average men would consider this an "asshole" move, but I can tell you from experience, women DO NOT respect men who supplicate to them. And they WILL TRY to get free things from guys, with NO intentions of sex, just to feed their own twisted egos.

Not to mention, that teasing a woman creates huge sexual interest. For example. Last time I did this at a bar, the girl got REALLY pissed off after I drank her water. So I immediately got up and went to the dance floor, then found a better looking girl to dance with. I locked eye contact, grabbed her hand, and pulled her onto the floor. I didn't even give her a chance to pull away lol. Women like this stuff. But you also need to have the intelligence to read their body language and know what they DON'T like. If she's pulling back away as she's laughing/smiling, she's testing you. Don't let her go. If her facial expression conveys genuine anger, let go. But most women LOVE to be led by an assertive man.

So 5 minutes later, the girl who's water I drank, runs up to the dance floor and steals my hat, then runs to the bathroom and tries to hide. Like we're playing hide & seek or something. I KNEW I had created huge sexual interest by putting up boundaries that quickly. What did I do? I walked right into the womans bathroom, ripped my hat out of her hands, went back to the dance floor and resumed dancing. This time holding my hat as I'm dancing with the same girl. Now I have the girl on the dance floor attracted to me.

The entire night this other girl was acting like a 5 year old, which I thought was really pathetic. It just goes to show that attractive women are use to getting WHAT THEY WANT. First she asks me for a drink, I switch the frame on her, then she gets mad and regresses to the emotions of a child. Doesn't even take a minute to consider the fact that men aren't atm's with dicks. When women do this type of stuff, you can NEVER give in to them no matter how hot they are.

Anyway, the end of the night comes, and this girl approaches me outside as I'm leaving and apologizes! At which point I rewarded her by complimenting her fiestiness. I thought about getting her #, then quickly realized my penis was about to sabatoge things. That would be far too much of a "reward" after how badly she acted. And no amount of apologizing could change the fact that this girl was an outright spoiled bitch.

Again, this has NOTHING to do with acting like an "asshole". But everything to do with the fact that men are conditioned to act like doormats in the presence of an attractive woman. I've seen it my entire life. In a certain regard, acting like an "ass" can be the biggest favor you do for a woman. And that I consider pretty damn noble.

-Red

There is nothing in this universe that is true of all women's preferences. We are simply just people. This kind of "all women" "all men" kind of thought irks the crap out of me.

in some way, what you said is true. but as a woman, i think not all of us fall for bad guys and ignore kind guys. I myself love kind, humble and tender guys.

There is a psychological cause behind why women(Girls) Like Bad boys. You can search it on google. I read that somewhere.

I think this is true for most girls. However, there are some girls out there that are really nice. My current girlfriend is sweet, and she values someone who is genuinely nice. I'm very glad to have her, she is a very rare find these days!

How old are you? 16-19? What next? Sex questions? You can the real immature posters with their replies and O.P.'s

Yes there are some crazy women..shock horror. Just like there are crazy men.

Looolala interesting!

Serious - women like guys who keep their stories straight.

No, not true for me. I think simple and sensible guys should do fine. Maybe you haven't met that person who'd see and accept you as you are. I know it sounds cliche but I think that's just how it is.

This thread should be called "do nice guys finish last?" lol Most of the time, nice guys do finish last, but sometimes they don't. It depends on your luck, and who you meet. But it is certainly difficult to meet someone who appreciates genuine niceness. You may say that I am not correct, but 10 years of dating tells me otherwise lol But as I said earlier, there are some girls who are lovely, but there aren't many of them around. They are a rare species, a bit like the Dodo haha

An interesting movie can make on this topic............................

Young, somewhat immature women like bad boys because bad boys are fun and exciting.
Older, more mature women don't go for bad boys. They tend to go for the mature, responsible, dependable men who they can rely on and have a future with.
This is what I think in general. but not everyone is like this. There are old, but very childish and immature women, just like there are very young, but mature and grown up women.

this is true that simple and sensible boys have to do fine

I like the boring nice guys who think like I do.

I believe every woman has fallen for someone that was bad for them in one way or another, I dont believe it was due to mere fact of being bad. I dont think I have ever had a conversation with a fellow female that didnt have something bad to say about their companion at one time or another, but being directly disobedient and unlawfully unkind was never a cause to be with them.

Not being gender specific, anybody that hears their important appreciates the value of these words. Whether or not they show their appreciation is another matter.