Holistic remedys for my Dog

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My little guy, a 9# yorkie shiztu mix, is having a heck of a time with allergies right now.

He is so itchy scratchy,and doesnt have fleas nor any other visable pests.

This time last year we took him to the vet for an allergy shot, but it made him loopy for a few days, so we are looking for natural alternatives.

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  • Profile picture of the author lcombs
    Have you tried Benadryl?
    We give our Bichon one adult strength.
    But with a Yorkie you might need children's. Ask your vet.
    Also, here's the best holistic vet on the 'net.
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  • Profile picture of the author lcombs
    Uhhh....
    Forget the Benadryl part.
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    • Profile picture of the author Big Rob
      Thanks for the link,Lee

      I checked it out, not much useful info readily available.

      Dont wanna buy her book if not relevant to skin stuff.

      Do you own a copy?
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Over the years I tried every natural remedy and OTC products I could find for Doodah's itchy skin - nothing worked for long and he would end up with red patches and bare spots and he was miserable.

        HI spent a couple years trying OTC allergy meds and natural rememdy after natural remedy. Some worked in the short term (a few days) but none worked well.

        I gave up - Doodah is allergic to grasses and the grass season here is about 8-9 months. My vet and I agreed keeping Doodah itch-free, pain-free and happy for his last few years was more critical than possible long term effects of low dose steroids (prednisone).

        In the spring when the itch starts he gets a pred shot followed one month later by a 15 days course of pred tablets (one every other day) to boost the shot. This gets him through the summer and the rest of the year we give him a 30 day course of pred tablets (one every other day) if he has an itch starting. This winter he only needed one month of treatment and he's doing great. He'll get his spring shot next month.

        A natural remedy would be better - if it worked. I haven't found one yet that does. I'm less worried about the possibility of shortening his life by a few months than I am about Doodah living for years trying to scratch every bit of his skin.

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      • Profile picture of the author lcombs
        Originally Posted by Big Rob View Post

        Thanks for the link,Lee

        I checked it out, not much useful info readily available.

        Dont wanna buy her book if not relevant to skin stuff.

        Do you own a copy?
        (It's Larry :rolleyes
        But, whoever, I have a couple of her books.
        And I have a ton of other dog related books.
        I'll see what I can dig up.
        Also, something I just about, Our dogs used to hot-spots.
        Same symptoms as allergys. We used Sulfadene about twice a day for 2 or 3 days and it cleared right up. I have seen it in Florida but there a similar product from Adams I found at Walmart.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    My boy Connor is allergic to everything. We've tried everything and haven't found anything natural that works.

    We went the Benadryl route, the Pred route. It might work for a bit, but then he was back to being a mess.

    What has worked for quite sometime is Atopica (Cyclosporine). He still gets a bit itchy, but he's no longer tearing his own skin off.
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    • Profile picture of the author Big Rob
      @Kay- Pred is what made him lethargic. I took that crap myself and hated the side effectz

      @ Dan- but he is so little! Benedryl knocks me on my ass and I'm 6'2" 220
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      • Profile picture of the author Gail_Curran
        Have you looked at his food? Some dogs do better, in general, on a grain-free diet.

        I haven't found any natural remedies for allergic dogs. Bathing once a week with a medicated shampoo (from the vet) can help. When my dog's seasonal allergies were really bad, the vet prescribed something called Vanectyl-P (tablets taken daily). It worked like a charm and has also worked for other small dogs I've known. The only side effect we noticed was increased thirst and urination (the medicine is a steroid).
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by Big Rob View Post

        @ Dan- but he is so little! Benedryl knocks me on my ass and I'm 6'2" 220
        Atopica doesn't have a drowsy effect. I'd recommend trying the Sal's recommendation first, though. Much cheaper. It didn't help my dog, but it might yours.
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          Atopica doesn't have a drowsy effect. I'd recommend trying the Sal's recommendation first, though. Much cheaper. It didn't help my dog, but it might yours.

          You better read this before you feed your dog Atopica: Atopica: A Dangerous Path To Take » Dogs Naturally Magazine

          The last thing an animal with allergies needs is an immune-suppresent drug. I wouldn't use this drug for ANYTHING.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dave Mac
            Rob Hi,

            First off let me declare a vested interest - see my signature - our products works for mites and other skin and ear infections. It also cures hotspots and we offer a 100 guarantee - you should note we have not had a single refund (I am sure we will at some point but as yet none). Anyway, why not try it you have nothing to loose - read the page and see what you think.
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            • Profile picture of the author Big Rob
              @Dave- will consider the option, nice site too! Extra thanks for making the site mobile friendly.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            You better read this before you feed your dog Atopica: Atopica: A Dangerous Path To Take » Dogs Naturally Magazine

            The last thing an animal with allergies needs is an immune-suppresent drug. I wouldn't use this drug for ANYTHING.
            Sal, we had this very discussion with our vet after going through a whole litany of supplements, dietary changes, drugs, etc. She said that dogs' renal and liver functions are different than humans' and Cyclosporine, unless your dog is allergic to it - which you'll know almost immediately - hasn't been proven to be nearly as harmful to dogs, at least in any long term study. In fact, most studies show that adverse effects from cyclosporine are rare in dogs and cats at the dosages used for most dermatologic conditions.

            A busy clinician's review of cyclosporine - Veterinary Medicine
            (Article written by two research vets at the University of Wisconsin)


            A small dose every third day (with semi-annual blood work - which we have done anyway) has changed my dog's life.
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            • Profile picture of the author HeySal
              Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

              Sal, we had this very discussion with our vet after going through a whole litany of supplements, dietary changes, drugs, etc. She said that dogs' renal and liver functions are different than humans' and Cyclosporine, unless your dog is allergic to it - which you'll know almost immediately - hasn't been proven to be nearly as harmful to dogs, at least in any long term study. In fact, most studies show that adverse effects from cyclosporine are rare in dogs and cats at the dosages used for most dermatologic conditions.

              A busy clinician's review of cyclosporine - Veterinary Medicine
              (Article written by two research vets at the University of Wisconsin)


              A small dose every third day (with semi-annual blood work - which we have done anyway) has changed my dog's life.
              I'd have to see more than one study to feel comfortable with it. But then - I look at more than one study before using anything with possible side effects. The issues brought up were enough to make me ultra cautious. I spent a LOT of time reading before I gave Munchie Vetmedin, too. Had he been younger, he might have gotten different treatments - or the same thing, not every day. He was so old that ANY extra time was a gift, though, so I chose to give it to him.

              Just saying -- check things out real well when you give pharms. They can backfire real easy. Having allergies myself and having had dogs with them, I would not give a drug that can suppress the immune system at all. Masking and alleviating symptoms is not the same as getting to the root cause - which, in allergies, is immune system dysfunction.
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  • Profile picture of the author Big Rob
    @ Gail- Yup. He's been on grain free , limited ingredient food for a couple of years now, and his allergies seem to be getting worse as he ages.
    Wife bathed him last night, and I havent seen him yet today or heard that hes still itching.
    Not a fan of steroids, but we will bring him in to vet if all else fails

    Oops. Sorry,Larry.

    We have tried sulfadene, just a temp relief.
    And he licks it and gaks.
    Not a fan of chemicals either
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Give her some dandelion root to keep her bloodstream cleaned out. Give her probiotics and digestive enzymes to keep her immune system strong. Give her a bath in a betadine solution - make it the color of tea. Don't rinse it off.
    Change her dry food to one without grain in it. I use Taste of the Wild. Many of those allergies are to the GMO soy and corn and pesticides (not labeled either) in them - which also tank the immune system.

    And if she goes into sneezing and runny nose, etc - just a little bit of benedryll won't hurt. I never take a whole one myself - just put a little on my hand and snort it (yeah I know - no comments please). So just a fraction of a benedryll is necessary to clear up sneezing and itchy/watery eyes and won't really hurt her. I wouldn't make a habit of the stuff either - just if she's really bad off. If you use the other stuff above to relieve her skin and strengthen her immune system, she should improve.
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  • Do you walk him in an area that has lots of foxes? It could be that he has some sort of mite infestation rather than fleas. You can't see mites as they burrow under the dog's skin but they cause severe itching and eventually hair loss or darker patches of skin.

    We have to put Advocate on our dog every couple of months or she suffers from it quite badly. We also have to wash her with a 'Hibi scrub' medicated pet shampoo from the vets to stop the skin to become infected.

    If you are sure it is not mites, it just could be an allergy to his bedding or blankets.
    Have you been watching his bedding in a new washing powder lately? You may want to try using white vinegar and soda crystals to wash the bedding and use a hotter setting, rather than a normal washing powder, as the chemicals may be causing irritation to the skin.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by HealingThatFeeling View Post

      Do you walk him in an area that has lots of foxes? It could be that he has some sort of mite infestation rather than fleas. You can't see mites as they burrow under the dog's skin but they cause severe itching and eventually hair loss or darker patches of skin.

      We have to put Advocate on our dog every couple of months or she suffers from it quite badly. We also have to wash her with a 'Hibi scrub' medicated pet shampoo from the vets to stop the skin to become infected.

      If you are sure it is not mites, it just could be an allergy to his bedding or blankets.
      Have you been watching his bedding in a new washing powder lately? You may want to try using white vinegar and soda crystals to wash the bedding and use a hotter setting, rather than a normal washing powder, as the chemicals may be causing irritation to the skin.
      The betadine bath will get rid of mites - and any other parasite, and fungus, and molds, and bacteria -- and it is non-toxic.
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      • Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        The betadine bath will get rid of mites - and any other parasite, and fungus, and molds, and bacteria -- and it is non-toxic.
        Thanks, I will give it a go for our Boxer
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by HealingThatFeeling View Post

          Thanks, I will give it a go for our Boxer
          I think you'll like it - I forgot to mention that it heals agitated or raw skin, too. It can stain a little bit so do it somewhere that he can dry without ruining anything he might lay on because you have to leave it on to get anything but a very temporary protection.
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  • Profile picture of the author SandraLarkin
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    All you need to do is give him oil of oregano and there will be no more problem. You can also use it for yourself whenever you get sick, nasty flu, any symptoms, gone within a day.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by SandraLarkin View Post

      All you need to do is give him oil of oregano and there will be no more problem. You can also use it for yourself whenever you get sick, nasty flu, any symptoms, gone within a day.
      I agree that it's good for some illness - but for allergies you have to rebuild the immune system, too - and heal skin. Oregano, on its own, doesn't do that, although it does help with general malaise.
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  • Profile picture of the author Big Rob
    Thanks Sal. And Sandra and HTF

    Btw , Sal Bear is a He. And we do have him on grain free.
    Where to get dandelion root? Health food store?
    And how much probiotic for a little guy? (9 lbs)

    Hmm snorting benadryl... righteous
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Big Rob View Post

      Thanks Sal. And Sandra and HTF

      Btw , Sal Bear is a He. And we do have him on grain free.
      Where to get dandelion root? Health food store?
      And how much probiotic for a little guy? (9 lbs)

      Hmm snorting benadryl... righteous
      You should be able to get Dandelion anywhere supplements are sold. In summer you can grind up your own if you know where it grows that it never gets touched with sprays. Not sure what is dose specific for a small guy but it's not harmful so I imagine you can just sprinkle about a quarter capsule in his food.

      As far as probiotics - you can get them from a vet in more pet dose specific quantities than in human supplement isles. Check out Dr. Becker's website and I'll guarantee she's got some pretty good ones for sale online (you can probably get cheaper but those would be quality). I use human ones for Ricky after researching to make sure each element was non-toxic to dogs, but he's big enough to give human doses effectively. (One of the benefits of having dogs that are bigger than the average pet hamster and guinea pig).

      You can get betadine (iodine) over the counter at any pharmacy and it's not expensive - especially with such a small animal. You should be able to use one bottle for almost ever for such a little thing. As I said - mix with water until it resembles a medium dark tea.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    If you do the Benadryl, do just Benadryl - not the one with the anti-allergie ingedient added. According to my vet, dogs can't handle that ingredient. One pill was all my vet recommended for my 75 lbs Husky, so way down for a 9 lbs.

    Maybe try a different grain free food too, he could still react to something in the current food.

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  • Profile picture of the author Big Rob
    @Dan - took us several tries to find a food that wouldn't upset his stomach.
    He's been on this one for sometime, and not had any issues from it.
    Gonna try the betadine thing Sal suggested and go from there.
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    • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
      Originally Posted by Big Rob View Post

      @Dan - took us several tries to find a food that wouldn't upset his stomach.
      He's been on this one for sometime, and not had any issues from it.
      Gonna try the betadine thing Sal suggested and go from there.
      I assume you're allowing him to adjust to new food as it does take several days for many dogs. And, you mix the old in with the new until you are gradually serving all the new.
      Otherwise, they can show signs - such as diarrhea - until they adjust to the new food.
      (I'm guessing you already know this, though.) But, yeah, one variable at a time.

      Good luck. (I think I'm going to stop these dog threads as I'm not "dog happy" right now.
      Two years ago this month I had to let my Husky go to heaven.)

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      • Profile picture of the author Big Rob
        Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post


        Good luck. (I think I'm going to stop these dog threads as I'm not "dog happy" right now.
        Two years ago this month I had to let my Husky go to heaven.)

        Dan
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