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14 years ago

I fully believe that the behavior of some energy we detect is actually acting normally for the dimension that produces it and all we get to see is the part that shows up or "drives through" our own dimension.

Disclaimer: I am not a physicist so this might be stupidity.

. Just one of those cinder block ideas like being an atom in the thumbnail of another being.

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travlinguy

14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I fully believe that the behavior of some energy we detect is actually acting normally for the dimension that produces it and all we get to see is the part that shows up or "drives through" our own dimension.

Disclaimer: I am not a physicist so this might be stupidity.

. Just one of those cinder block ideas like being an atom in the thumbnail of another being.

Not stupidity at all. I read a physics book a couple of years ago. I forget the title but it was one that had been popular outside the scientific community. The guy said that it's likely there are a dozen or more different "dimensions."

There's a thread up now about dreams. I mentioned that perhaps the dream state and our waking state are two completely valid realities. There are scientists that believe our dream realities are actually other dimensions.

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socialentry

14 years ago

the heck is a spooky action

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hardraysnight

14 years ago

um,um,um,um,um, is that enough?
wayne fontana, et al,one of the greats of the 60s scene,
interesting life, post fame, too, check him out,

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HeySal

14 years ago

I actually read a lot of physics TG - but am not a physicist so don't know how likely "bleed through" from one dimension to another would be.

I'm getting ready to write an ebook on dreams.

I'm voraciously interested in subjects of mind and science. When you're not an expert in a field, though, some ideas that sound brilliant are pretty funny to people who are experts. That idea, was one of those types.

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lcombs

14 years ago

The concept itself is Spooky.
Leave it to Einstein to give it the perfect label.

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lcombs

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

I am amused that we have solid evidence that information travels faster than light, yet scientists INSIST it isn't so, because it doesn't conform with the best-fitting theory.

It just has to be a pairing we just don't understand.

I still say the biggest conundrum is: how can there be no beginning and no end?
That, and how can space be curved?

Warp speed 1 is 10 x the speed of light.
The Enterprise went to warp 9.:confused:

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HeySal

14 years ago

Originally Posted by lcombs

I still say the biggest conundrum is: how can there be no beginning and no end?
That, and how can space be curved?

Warp speed 1 is 10 x the speed of light.
The Enterprise went to warp 9.:confused:

An infinite universe is easier for me to comprehend than what would be on the other side if it did.

Warp 9. Gotta figure that the makers of Star Trek never expected the average person to know the meaning of Warp speed anyhow.

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by lcombs

I still say the biggest conundrum is: how can there be no beginning and no end?
That, and how can space be curved?

No beginning or no end to what, space? ...time? ...the universe?

I saw an explanation of curved space once. Maybe it wasn't a good presentation, I have no other explanation to compare it to, but it didn't make much sense to me.

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thunderbird

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

No beginning or no end to what, space? ...time? ...the universe?

I saw an explanation of curved space once. Maybe it wasn't a good presentation, I have no other explanation to compare it to, but it didn't make much sense to me.

"Nature uses only the longest threads to weave her patterns, so that each small piece of her fabric reveals the organization of the entire tapestry."
Richard P. Feynman, strip club customer who won the Nobel Prize in physics.

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At first I didn't know who he was (he had been coming in for a while) until some of his students showed up at the door and said, 'IS THAT MR. FEYNMAN?' Well, Dick told me to tell them that this wasn't class and that he was off right now and trying to relax. So, they were very respectful and left him alone. After that I became Feynman's 'student blocker' and Dick and I became friends."

I am not being egotistical in saying I could also accomplish what nobel-prize winning physicist Richard Feynman did. I could also go to strip clubs.

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lcombs

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

No beginning or no end to what, space? ...time? ...the universe?

Yes.

Space, time, the universe.

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by lcombs

I still say the biggest conundrum is: how can there be no beginning and no end?

No beginning or no end to what, space? ...time? ...the universe?

Originally Posted by lcombs

Yes.

Space, time, the universe.

In that case, the opposite is equally enigmatical ... how could there be a beginning or end? :confused:

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kenmichaels

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

No beginning or no end to what, space? ...time? ...the universe?

In that case, the opposite is equally enigmatical ... how could there be a beginning or end? :confused:

A big BALL (for lack of a better word ) of energy was the beginning ...

The bang was the creation of the universe.

If you believe in the math behind black holes ... that is the end

This by the way is Einstein's theory of everything.

EDIT... I am WRONG... it is NOT Einsteins theory it is HAWKINS theory of everything.

Heysal mentioned seepage ... that is known as gravity, A lady .. i cannot for
the life of me remember her name right now, she mathematically explained how
gravity grows stronger and lighter based on the dimension it starts from
and seeps to here ( our dimension on planet earth ) Which fits hand in hand
with hawkins theory of nothing is perfectly in sync, so gravity created the
universe as we now know it ... as in if everything was lined up perfectly
the gravity would have no effect, but since nothing is perfect, gravity pulled
on the imperfections to create masses.. the masses eventually became planets, stars, comets, ect.

Theoretically the string theory supports his theory, and the gravity math ( i forget the name of that as well ) supports the theory of multi dimensions

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

A big BALL (for lack of a better word of energy ) was the beginning ...

The bang was the creation of the universe.

If you believe in the math behind black holes ... that is the end

If the universe is "everything that exists anywhere," what was in its place 5 minutes before its creation?

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kenmichaels

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

If the universe is "everything that exists anywhere," what was in its place 5 minutes before its creation?

according hawking's math ... a big ball of energy.

not to be confused with a star, or anything in the cosmos we are currently
familiar with.

50 years ago the question on everyone's lips was ( is the big bang real )

nowadays it is ... what made that ball of energy explode.

nobody has come up with a credible answer yet.

some believe the Higgs boson aka ( the God particle ) helped
BUT, no one has been able to show HOW ... yet.

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

according hawking's math ... a big ball of energy.

not to be confused with a star, or anything in the cosmos we are currently
familiar with.

50 years ago the question on everyone's lips was ( is the big bang real )

nowadays it is ... what made that ball of energy explode.

nobody has come up with a credible answer yet.

some believe in the Higgs boson aka ( the God particle ) helped
BUT, no one has been able to show HOW ... yet.

OK, so there's a big ball of energy. If the universe is "everything anywhere," wouldn't that ball of energy have been the universe, which later changed form?

A lot of this stuff is just theory, even thought it's accepted as fact. Not all scientists agree with Hawking, or agree with the Big Bang, or agree with current thought on black holes.

That's all above my pay grade, but I do find it interesting.

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kenmichaels

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

OK, so there's a big ball of energy. If the universe is "everything anywhere," wouldn't that ball of energy have been the universe, which later changed form?

THAT is actually a hugely debated topic.

Not, DID that ball of energy exist. ( there are those who do not support that idea )
but nowadays it is a minority.

Mostly in the community that talk about this stuff and create theories
the question is no longer ( did the ball of energy exist or not ) it is ...

what was the catalyst, why did it happen, how did every galaxy get created
in a blink on an eye.How did it stretch out over bazillion miles in less
time then it takes you to blink.

WAS it some thing thing from a higher power that caused it, simply luck, or a reaction.

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kenmichaels

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

If energy can display intelligence it becomes moot, no?

No. Energy does display a rudimentary intelligence. ( this is also highly debated )

Specifically speaking of energy dissipating at or around objects that, have /store/ emitt
the same energy field. ( amount of , type of, )

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kenmichaels

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

Mind isn't energy?

What is it, then?

Nothing more then a sack of spongy meat encased in bone.

everything the body does is considered kinetic energy... except thinking and breaking
down nutrients.

from wikki. because, well i suck at writing ( and proud of it )

n physics, the kinetic energy of an object is the energy which it possesses due to its motion.[1] It is defined as the work needed to accelerate a body of a given mass from rest to its stated velocity. Having gained this energy during its acceleration, the body maintains this kinetic energy unless its speed changes. The same amount of work is done by the body in decelerating from its current speed to a state of rest. In classical mechanics, the kinetic energy of a non-rotating object of mass m traveling at a speed v is ½ mv². In relativistic mechanics, this is only a good approximation when v is much less than the speed of light.

As far as you mind producing or using energy when it is telling the body
what to do... Im guessing you mean brain. That only uses energy to complete tasks.
It also transfers energy over synapses.

But the mind itself ( arguably ) is not energy.

Do you mean soul ?

if you do.. i have no answer for that ... not even a guess

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kenmichaels

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

No, I meant mind. Is the Mona Lisa a collection of pigments and canvas or a work of mind? Does the brain produce thought, or does thought stimulate the brain?

If you can see that energy can display at least rudimentary intelligence, how does it do it without a brain?

If thought isn't energy, why does it affect the physical world?

I don't see how people can be satisfied with a naturalistic view of the universe. Strikes me as choosing to see things in black and white instead of technicolor.

I had to look "mind" up. I wasn't sure if my definition .. i.e my understanding was correct.

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A mind (pron.: /ˈ m aɪ n d /) is the complex of cognitive faculties that enables consciousness, thinking, reasoning, perception, and judgement--a characteristic of human beings, but which also may apply to other life forms.[3][4]

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Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

Does the brain produce thought, or does thought stimulate the brain?

beets me, but i believe the brain produces thought.

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

If thought isn't energy, why does it affect the physical world?

I dont think it does. The "thought" is nothing more then response stimulus
The "body" carries out the instructions, even if there is no actual instructions
to do something. ... i.e just a thought.

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

I don't see how people can be satisfied with a naturalistic view of the universe. Strikes me as choosing to see things in black and white instead of technicolor.

I kind of agree with that. I am not, nor have ever been satisfied with any
questions. Most of mine cannot really be answered.

We are all nothing more then meat sacks

The fact we can do anything beyond ( living ) is nothing short of
a miracle

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Dennis Gaskill 14 years ago

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

We are all nothing more then meat sacks

If that were true then we couldn't perceive anything outside of ourselves beyond what our 5 senses can detect, but we do. Or do you have an explanation for extrasensory perception?
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14 years ago

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lcombs

14 years ago

Here's something to ponder.

If time, and space are infinite, then numbers are meaningless.
For example:
If the odds of an occurrence are a trillion to one, a trillion has no meaning infinitey.
No matter how high the odds anything is possible.

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Jared Alberghini

14 years ago

Doesn't the mass of an object increase as it reaches the speed of light? So in theory, if that is surpassed, the mass would become infinitely great, and in turn, create a new universe?

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HeySal

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jared Alberghini

Doesn't the mass of an object increase as it reaches the speed of light? So in theory, if that is surpassed, the mass would become infinitely great, and in turn, create a new universe?

Mass turns to energy at high speeds, so no. Time slows down - according to Einstein, time freezes at speed of light. Anyhow - approaching light speed would seem to be the best way for a woman to stay slim and young.

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John Durham

14 years ago

I cant help but admire guys who can even discuss einstein.

Riddle me this, how come I have got some serious talents, I will admit that freely, but Im so dumb in other areas outside of them?

What does that make a person?

I swear I can barely understand a paragraph of einstein.

I can teach a person who has a business degree about doing business, but I got straight f's in everything but music class in school.

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John Durham 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

There are millions of people who are perfectly happy and productive who've never heard of Einstein.

Thanks for the tips. I cant be happy without knowing about Einstein because Im so curious about what the person who is acclaimed to be the smartest guy in history really thought...

Just wish his teaching came in"lay terms".
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kenmichaels 14 years ago
Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

Isaac Asimov wrote

I have read most of his stuff. Eventually he and his wife wrote together as
a team. ( how cool is that! )

I really, really like his style... specially about robotics.
1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2. A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.
I know a lot of people don't like Steven King, but i do.
I am not sure who i like better, Isaac Asimov or Steven King
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bizgrower

14 years ago

@Hey Sal - It might be seepage, or like how dogs see and hear many times better than humans. And some humans better than others. Maybe that's why some people see ghosts and others do not. A frequency kind of thing.

Wasn't it Copernicus who was condemned and agreed to be right 400 years later?
Many ideas are like that.

@Travelin Guy - Sounds like the book you read might have been written by Dr. Michio
Kaku - now a leader in string theory and contends approximately 12 dimensions
Welcome to Explorations in Science with Dr. Michio Kaku

@John Durham - Nothing wrong with not being a physicist or auto mechanic, and being a brilliant man of commerce and probably good musician (I have no samples to go by and did not think much of The Fray two years before they would sell out Red Rocks amphitheater in Colorado -so what do I know about musical talent.

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Dr. Kaku might be source for putting things in lay terms. Also you could always audit college courses and get a tutor if you really wanted to get a better grasp?

Dan

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John Durham

14 years ago

And the thread grows more interesting still. Keep talkin guys.

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Big Rob

14 years ago

This is Awesome!

I LOVE hanging in a room where 99% are smarter than me!

I have not studied physics, but I have watched a lot of the Big Bang Theory

Not to get all woo woo and the "secret" like, I believe the brain is indeed full of energy.

The hardware,if you will. The mind is the software.

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