Bro??? Dude???

13 years ago

It's just the latest gender nuetralism. Come on, my man, it ain't that big a deal...

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Lloyd Buchinski

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

who dislikes being called 'sir.'

A couple of my favorite replies to that. If someone says something like 'thank you sir,' 'you're very welcome colonel.' (Sargent, captain, or whatever.)

Or, 'Is that like the roundest knight at King Arthur's round table, Sir Cumference?' I thought of that as a kid's joke but the first time I told it to someone about 6 on his way to a Halloween costume party, with a sword and shield, it was his mother who cracked up. Adults do enjoy it too.

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

It's just the latest gender nuetralism.

To my way of thinking, that's the whole problem. Good man (or whatever

) Dan. There are just not enough gender neutral pronouns in English. I suggested years ago that we start some, like se for a combination of she and he. The idea totally got shot down by the people in the discussion, but I still think it's good.

You can get to gender neutral using things like she/he but it's awkward. Awkward things don't survive in daily language. As long as proper gender neutrals are awkward, people will be looking for better alternatives, and trying them out.

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Dan Riffle

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Lloyd Buchinski

To my way of thinking, that's the whole problem. Good man (or whatever

) Dan. There are just not enough gender neutral pronouns in English. I suggested years ago that we start some, like se for a combination of she and he. The idea totally got shot down by the people in the discussion, but I still think it's good.

You can get to gender neutral using things like she/he but it's awkward. Awkward things don't survive in daily language. As long as proper gender neutrals are awkward, people will be looking for better alternatives, and trying them out.

This is why I address groups of mixed genders this way: "Hello Earthlings."

If someone's offended by that, they have more explaining to do than I do.

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HeySal

13 years ago

Dude has been used for both - but "bro"? That's getting way too off. Short for "brother" - should never be used to address a female. Any female should rightfully be offended when called "brother". How stupid should we be allowed to get before we're told to get a brain?

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ThomM

13 years ago

Most of those that have called me bro, I'm thankful they're not my brother. I almost always tell the person calling me bro "I'm not your brother".
I use an older definition of dude, meaning a city person vacationing on a ranch or in the country. See how I'm from the country I'll inform someone calling me dude that I'm not a dude.
Yes I'm somewhat hostile when someone I don't know starts a conversation by calling me bro or dude.

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Dennis Gaskill

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Most of those that have called me bro, I'm thankful they're not my brother. I almost always tell the person calling me bro "I'm not your brother".
I use an older definition of dude, meaning a city person vacationing on a ranch or in the country. See how I'm from the country I'll inform someone calling me dude that I'm not a dude.
Yes I'm somewhat hostile when someone I don't know starts a conversation by calling me bro or dude.

I hereby dub thee, Sir Bro'dude.

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MissTerraK

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Jacqueline Smith

I have no problem with the term 'guys' being used as a general salutation for both males and females....not very professional....but not a big deal.

However, what is up with the increased use of 'Hey Bro' and 'Hey Dude' in emails from IMers?

Grow up 'guys'.......most professionals (or those of us who just play one on the Warrior Forum) are not always 'bros' or 'dudes'.

Just sayin.

Jaq, if the email is from a male, just respond with no thank-you, mademoiselle. :p

Terra

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lcombs 13 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Jaq, if the email is from a male, just respond with no thank-you, mademoiselle. :p

Terra

Or, "No thanks, chick".
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- MissTerraK 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by lcombs
  
  Or, "No thanks, chick".
  
  But Jaq was talking about professionalism also and "chick" isn't very professional. So if she used "mademoiselle", she would show him up on two fronts. Or if you prefer nonprofessionalism, she'd hand him a twofer.
  
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BTM

13 years ago

I try to keep it as professional as possible when I'm doing business. I keep the slang words and phrase I use frequently out of business. However some times it does slip out. I do agree its not very professional to use slang phrases when doing business.

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TTGSteve

13 years ago

I don't mind it. It's not like you're standing in a conference room surrounded by a bunch of business professionals having an in-depth discussion among the panel. Typically, online communication is a little more relaxed versus personal encounters.

However, if you don't like someone calling you a "dude or a "bro" just tell them in a polite way. For instance, you may finish your e-mail like this:

P.S. I'm a woman, not a dude.

... It's a polite way of letting them know. If you don't agree with that terminology I'm sure you could come up with something more suitable.

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socialentry

13 years ago

relax brah.

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Dan Riffle 13 years ago

Originally Posted by socialentry

relax brah.

She might prefer, "relax bra."

Maybe "prefer" is too strong of a word...
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- Richard Van 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Dan Riffle
  
  She might prefer, "relax bra."
  
  If we're going to go the whole hog, you might as well start calling women "knickers" and men "pants", actually no, pants in the US are trousers, so call men "underpants", or "mens knickers", or something.
  
  Whatever happened to "Ladies and Gentlemen"?
  
  I think it all depends. If Frank Kern addresses me as "dude", it seems quite normal. If Donald Trump came up to me and did a "Hey Bro...", I'd probably tell him to stop talking like a nob and to get a bloody haircut.
  
  Depends who it comes from to a degree, as well as the person it's directed to. Either way, mass mailing a big list with bro or dude will invariably piss off some/a large section of the list. Hence this thread.
  
  Paul, I'd prefer it if you addressed me as sir, rather than maam.
  
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  Paul Myers 13 years ago
  
  Richard,
  
  Paul, I'd prefer it if you addressed me as sir, rather than maam.
  
  Sure. I'll make you a deal. If you don't call me 'sir,' I won't call you #*&!()... NO CARRIER
  
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  Dennis Gaskill 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by HeySal
  
  I HATE being called Maam.
  
  Me too!
  
  Seriously, I answered the phone today and it was someone from Home Depot. I said, "Hello" and he said "Alison?"
  
  I'm pretty sure I don't sound like a woman, or that my wife sounds like a man, for that matter.
  
  Originally Posted by Bryan Zazz
  
  Surely there are more pressing priorities than whether being called Dude or Bro is in good style (it is not, but some newcomers didn't get that Memo),
  
  And yet, you weighed in with your opinion on the same issue you're saying isn't important enough to discuss. :rolleyes:
  
  I have a question for you though... Don't you think it would be a pretty dull world if all we did was talk about the most important priorities of the day? And who should decide what those issues should be?
  
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  Richard Van 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Paul Myers
  
  Richard,Sure. I'll make you a deal. If you don't call me 'sir,' I won't call you #*&!()... NO CARRIER
  
  I don't call you sir do I? I like calling you Paul, or that Myers fellow.
  
  #*&!() is quite nice though. I feel abit like that musician that used to be called Prince but changed his name to something else, so we all have to say the artist formally known as Prince.
  
  From now on, I'll be known as "That annoying Englishman formally known as Richard Van" - You ok with that?
  
  Or did you just mean w****r?
  
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  Paul Myers 13 years ago
  
  Richard,
  
  Or did you just mean w****r?
  
  Tsk. I can't see myself calling you that. At least not as long as you don't call me 'sir.'
  
  From now on, I'll be known as "That annoying Englishman formally known as Richard Van" - You ok with that?
  
  You're English?
  
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  Richard Van 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Paul Myers
  
  Richard,Tsk. I can't see myself calling you that. At least not as long as you don't call me 'sir.'
  
  You have a deal Paul.
  
  You're English?
  
  Is it really that obvious?
  
  Ok, I may have mentioned it once or twice.
  
  My Father is half Irish though, and there was a Dutchman somewhere along the way too.
  
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Jacqueline Smith

13 years ago

For some reason this sales letter just popped in to my mind as I was reading this thread.....

Good Afternoon Ladies,

Put down your knitting and put the kettle on, I have some delicious gossip to share with you today.

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That’s right ladies, if you take action today, you can have a happier husband by tomorrow!

I am only selling 5 of these because my husband told me that’s all I can sell. He also told me I had to sell these on my own time so this offer is only available between 6:00 a.m. and 6:20 a.m. tomorrow morning.

Now....for those of you who missed the point in the original thread....get it yet?????

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Paul Myers 13 years ago

Dude, chill!

I am one of those annoying people who always says things like "Excuse me, sir" and "Thank you, ma'am," but who dislikes being called 'sir.'

It can make for some interesting exchanges. When a waitress or a female bartender brings me my order, I say "Thank you, sir." The smart ones always reply with, "You're welcome, ma'am." If they do that the first time, I know they're going to be fun.

'Bro' is a whole other thang. Used to refer to a woman, it grates as much as seeing someone who's been a member for 3 days referring to "my fellow Warriors."

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HeySal

13 years ago

I HATE being called Maam.

In general conversation online, one might call me "bro" or "dude" because the name Sal is usually short for something like Salvador and my linguistic habits lean to the masculine side. My writing often analyzes out as male. I expect, though, that the difference is obvious enough if one is standing face to face with me. It's only been the last few years that people have called me Maam, though, and that just grinds me. Sure, it's polite and all - but it's also stiff in a way that people are stiff when showing reverence to an old lady........and I'm not ready for that crap yet. Yikes.

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Daniel Evans

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Jacqueline Smith

Just sayin.

When I see this, especially in an ironic context, my soul weeps a little.

On the topic, I think when people call each other "bro" they are onto something but nothing they might ever understand beyond the race segregation from where it spawned.

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ThomM

13 years ago

If we're going to go the whole hog, you might as well start calling women "knickers" and men "pants", actually no, pants in the US are trousers, so call men "underpants", or "mens knickers", or something.

For the most part we use pants now more then trousers. We also use "slacks" for a dresser type of pants. But then I'm the type of person who considers 'dressing up' as putting on clean jeans, socks, and tee shirt

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Jacqueline Smith

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Evans

When I see this, especially in an ironic context, my soul weeps a little.

On the topic, I think when people call each other "bro" they are onto something but nothing they might ever understand beyond the race segregation from where it spawned.

Yikes...you got me there.

I think I am going to slink back up to my original post and delete that part now.

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SandraLarkin

Banned 13 years ago

Does not bother me. The breezier the better.

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Bryan Zazz

13 years ago

Surely there are more pressing priorities than whether being called Dude or Bro is in good style (it is not, but some newcomers didn't get that Memo), or whether angels have aerodynamically profiled wings that can break the sound barrier...

For all the Sopranos fans out there, our good friend James Gandolfini just took a moment yesterday to remind everybody that life is indeed short, so don't waste it in low-value nonsense. Unlike most Sales Copy we read around here, in this specific topic of good time usage: use the time given to you Wisely because "there are NO REFUNDS !!"

just saying...

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Jacqueline Smith

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Bryan Zazz

Surely there are more pressing priorities than whether being called Dude or Bro is in good style (it is not, but some newcomers didn't get that Memo), or whether angels have aerodynamically profiled wings that can break the sound barrier...

For all the Sopranos fans out there, our good friend James Gandolfini just took a moment yesterday to remind everybody that life is indeed short, so don't waste it in low-value nonsense. Unlike most Sales Copy we read around here, in this specific topic of good time usage: use the time given to you Wisely because "there are NO REFUNDS !!"

just saying...

We're in the OT forum....I don't think "pressing priorities" exist down here.

And....I don't consider being offended as "low-value nonsense".

Sharing my opinion is something I enjoy doing.....I wouldn't have wasted my time otherwise.

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MissTerraK

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Bryan Zazz

Surely there are more pressing priorities than whether being called Dude or Bro is in good style (it is not, but some newcomers didn't get that Memo), or whether angels have aerodynamically profiled wings that can break the sound barrier...

For all the Sopranos fans out there, our good friend James Gandolfini just took a moment yesterday to remind everybody that life is indeed short, so don't waste it in low-value nonsense. Unlike most Sales Copy we read around here, in this specific topic of good time usage: use the time given to you Wisely because "there are NO REFUNDS !!"

just saying...

I understand what you are saying completely. However, this is in the Off Topic Forum where we go to discuss these types of things for some "time outs" from all the marketing and work we put into our businesses.

Here, we can be flippant, humorous, witty, sarcastic, creative and snarky to help relieve us of some of our stress buildup which is also known to cause strokes and heart attacks.

And trust me, you would rather read some of the things I say down here as opposed to my screaming at the same pitch as a tea kettle when I let off my steam.

:p

Terra

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