Did People Really Believe the Earth was Flat???

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I had to research this subject since l thought that peasants in the middle ages believed it?

But apart from a few groups and individuals wanting some power, that was it!

Here is the link, interesting read...

Myth of the Flat Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And l don't want this to go down the religious path, (for obvious reasons). Remember this was the Catholic Church a few hundred years ago, (they were still burning and garroting people back then if they didn't believe in their teachings, etc).


The main reason l put this up, apart from the first point is this reference...

In Thomas Jefferson's book Notes on the State of Virginia (1784), framed as answers to a series of questions (queries), Jefferson uses the "Query" regarding religion to attack the idea of state-sponsored official religions. In the chapter, Jefferson relates a series of official erroneous beliefs about nature forced upon people by authority. One of these is the episode of Galileo's struggles with authority, which Jefferson erroneously frames in terms of the shape of the globe:[13]

Government is just as infallible too when it fixes systems in physics. Galileo was sent to the inquisition for affirming that the earth was a sphere: the government had declared it to be as flat as a trencher, and Galileo was obliged to abjure his error. This error however at length prevailed, the earth became a globe
Since the gov, of this country believed it, it was taught in schools, and printed in books, (the printing press was invented in the 1600's if l am not mistaken)? So popular media back then was pushing it for all it was worth, because they, (gov,) wanted power or control, it could also be because the majority were just stupid, in this gov, but l tend to go with the other reasons!

Either way this demonstrates that just because popular media of the time pushes something, that it doesn't mean it is correct.

It is correct for political reasons, or control reasons or financial reasons! The truth may get brushed aside!


This has strong references to today!


This clearly shows in the distant past that gov, etc, will believe in something to gain power or wealth.


So, in regards to Global warming, and space exploration, UFO,s power generation, etc, gov, word cannot be taken at face value!

An indipendant scientist or scientists, that don't have their hands out, or haven't signed a disclosure agreement or aren't strongly politically motivated, or use their brains, instead of their emotions, are the ones to seek answers from!

And what solid research we can do of course! :rolleyes:


We shouldn't get overly stressed about, this may happen and that, from dubious sources, since people who follow stock market bubbles act that way, and usually lose out!

We need to take official reports into account, but if all available evidence says otherwise, then we need to chill out and seek out the truth.


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    I understand what you're saying, and agree we should question everything, however, I just want to point out...

    ...there are still people who believe the earth is flat.

    Flat Earth Society - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
    Yea, you keep repeating something over and over, tell the kids and grandkids and some of that will stick.

    It's happening today all over the world. Social media just makes it happen faster.

    People still believe [Censored for Religious reasons] and some even believe [Censored for political reasons].

    It is amazing to me how many people choose to ignore facts and cling to age-old tales and mythology.

    Of course I'm talking about Bigfoot. :rolleyes:

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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      I understand what you're saying, and agree we should question everything, however, I just want to point out...

      ...there are still people who believe the earth is flat.

      Flat Earth Society - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      President in 2004!!!!

      Hard to believe!

      Maybe this idiot should put a camera on a balloon, and see if the Earth curves or not at high altitude?

      Worse still if this idiot is still in power popular media may still be pushing this crap in textbooks, etc.

      Scary thought!

      But similar things are still occurring, it is just a thousand times harder to disprove!

      Or a lot harder to get out there?

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      Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

      Yea, you keep repeating something over and over, tell the kids and grandkids and some of that will stick.

      It's happening today all over the world. Social media just makes it happen faster.

      People still believe [Censored for Religious reasons] and some even believe [Censored for political reasons].

      It is amazing to me how many people choose to ignore facts and cling to age-old tales and mythology.

      Of course I'm talking about Bigfoot. :rolleyes:

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      Bigfoot is the one that started that rumor about how the size on someone's feet means it has a big (censored for um...political reasons)

      My son is 6 ft. 7 inches and wears a size 15 shoe. I remember us sitting in a restaurant, and a girl asks him "So how big are your feet?". I broke out laughing.

      My son didn't understand why she was asking, but I did...and enjoyed every second of telling him.


      Shane; Yes, we used to think the Earth was flat. But for many centuries, we knew it was a sphere...but believed it was at the center of the universe.

      It was when that changed ...that the problems (which shall be nameless) started.
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    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

    I had to research this subject since l thought that peasants in the middle ages believed it?

    But apart from a few groups and individuals wanting some power, that was it!

    Here is the link, interesting read...

    Myth of the Flat Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And l don't want this to go down the religious path, (for obvious reasons). Remember this was the Catholic Church a few hundred years ago, (they were still burning and garroting people back then if they didn't believe in their teachings, etc).


    The main reason l put this up, apart from the first point is this reference...



    Since the gov, of this country believed it, it was taught in schools, and printed in books, (the printing press was invented in the 1600's if l am not mistaken)? So popular media back then was pushing it for all it was worth, because they, (gov,) wanted power or control, it could also be because the majority were just stupid, in this gov, but l tend to go with the other reasons!

    Either way this demonstrates that just because popular media of the time pushes something, that it doesn't mean it is correct.

    It is correct for political reasons, or control reasons or financial reasons! The truth may get brushed aside!


    This has strong references to today!

    This clearly shows in the distant past that gov, etc, will believe in something to gain power or wealth.


    So, in regards to Global warming, and space exploration, UFO,s power generation, etc, gov, word cannot be taken at face value!

    An indipendant scientist or scientists, that don't have their hands out, or haven't signed a disclosure agreement or aren't strongly politically motivated, or use their brains, instead of their emotions, are the ones to seek answers from!

    And what solid research we can do of course! :rolleyes:


    We shouldn't get overly stressed about, this may happen and that, from dubious sources, since people who follow stock market bubbles act that way, and usually lose out!

    We need to take official reports into account, but if all available evidence says otherwise, then we need to chill out and seek out the truth.


    Shane
    First, there was no "popular media" in the 1600s.

    Second, are you really trying to use the Galileo Affair to disprove scientists?

    You've got it all backwards. It's you that isn't believing the science of today. Just as Galileo was persecuted in his day, you are persecuting the scientists of today.
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      First, there was no "popular media" in the 1600s.

      Second, are you really trying to use the Galileo Affair to disprove scientists?

      You've got it all backwards. It's you that isn't believing the science of today. Just as Galileo was persecuted in his day, you are persecuting the scientists of today.

      This conversation isn't going to go well.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        This conversation isn't going to go well.
        Sad, isn't it?

        Shane is using how scientists proved the World was round to "prove" that scientists are wrong today.

        I wonder if he'll figure out the flaw in his "reasoning"?
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          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Sad, isn't it?

          Shane is using how scientists proved the World was round to "prove" that scientists are wrong today.

          I wonder if he'll figure out the flaw in his "reasoning"?
          But Kurt my friend, the earth really is flat and I have photos to prove it.















          Undeniable proof!
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          • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
            More than 200 years before Yeshua, Eratosthenes measured the circumference of the earth with pretty good accuracy.

            Circumference - The roundy part!

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            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              First, there was no "popular media" in the 1600s.

              Second, are you really trying to use the Galileo Affair to disprove scientists?

              You've got it all backwards. It's you that isn't believing the science of today. Just as Galileo was persecuted in his day, you are persecuting the scientists of today.

              Well, the equivalent of popular media, standing on a soapbox, printing out a newsletter, etc!!! :rolleyes:


              Well you are making this far more complicated that it needs to be!

              I am just saying that a gov, of a country can get it wrong, or king, queen, and then everyone in that country has to learn it!


              Or the rulers, do it for other reasons, and the people of that country have to learn it.

              True if l find substantial evidence for something and popular media as well as scientists say otherwise, then l will go for the jugular. Mainly because they are pushing BS for their own ends, or lying to millions of people!


              That is the guts of this article, showing that gov, or rulers will lie for control or power or stupidity!


              And we shouldn't be so scared of the future, because of this clearly dubious source of information.


              I don't see millionaires avoiding coastal areas, l only see a huge increase, (the Dubai island developments being a good example). Clearly millionaires don't believe in some of the things popular media says either!


              I know l might unsettle some WF members with this fact, but l believe it is better to know the truth, than to keep your head in the sand, and have an unsettled life!

              Best to have an open mind, especially at the moment, otherwise when a big announcement comes, it will be a big shock to your identity or self worth, etc. Instead of realizing you were right, and it is more of a great surprise than a shock!


              In the next 20 years we will have a couple of big announcements, that will shock a lot of people, especially the ones that want to feel safe, etc!

              But as always it is a personal choice!

              Good luck!

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              • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post


                I don't see millionaires avoiding coastal areas, l only see a huge increase, (the Dubai island developments being a good example). Clearly millionaires don't believe in some of the things popular media says either!

                Facts are our friends. Let's see what Dubai has to say about this subject:

                Developers plan to keep the sea at bay - The National

                From ambitious land-raising projects to sea walls and barriers, safeguards against the impact of climate change must be considered by any coastal development. The Abu Dhabi 2030 plan states: "The emerging reality of global warming and its potential to raise sea levels means all new waterfront development should be planning for higher water levels at their edge." Originally lying at about two metres above sea level, Saadiyat Island, where Abu Dhabi plans to create a US$27 billion (Dh99bn) cultural district, has undergone massive landscaping to protect it from rising tides.
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                • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                  Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                  Facts are our friends. Let's see what Dubai has to say about this subject:

                  Developers plan to keep the sea at bay - The National
                  Ok, maybe not the best example!

                  But l still find coastal property areas which haven't been raised in some way or protected, to still be one of the hottest buys!


                  Its a real pity that someone who really wants a house, will think twice because it is not high enough above sea level, when someone else who has done or commissioned their own research realise's that it isn't an issue, and buys!


                  That's another reason to stay open minded, more opportunity's!

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              • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                Well, the equivalent of popular media, standing on a soapbox, printing out a newsletter, etc!!! :rolleyes:
                There were likely LAWS against loudly yelling from a central point. It seems that such things are associated with the government. And writing a newsletter was a LOT of trouble. At some point, probably like the 9th century or so, you could etch a SPECIFIC plate and press it. WAY too complex. Gutenburg created MOVEABLE type around the 15th century.

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            • Profile picture of the author kentah
              I know of Eratosthenes, but who was Yeshua?
              Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

              More than 200 years before Yeshua, Eratosthenes measured the circumference of the earth with pretty good accuracy.

              Circumference - The roundy part!

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              • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                Originally Posted by kentah View Post

                I know of Eratosthenes, but who was Yeshua?
                Click on the link Of Yeshua in his post and well-a! Your question is answered.

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                • Profile picture of the author kentah
                  Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                  Click on the link Of Yeshua in his post and well-a! Your question is answered.

                  Terra
                  If you clicked the link you would see it does not have the answer, but the history of the name Yeshua. Not the Biography or profile of a particular person. Its ok though i Can Google
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                  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                    Originally Posted by kentah View Post

                    If you clicked the link you would see it does not have the answer, but the history of the name Yeshua. Not the Biography or profile of a particular person. Its ok though i Can Google
                    What would you call these, then? :confused:

                    ...Yeshu (ישו) which is found in Ben Yehuda's dictionary and used in most secular contexts in modern Hebrew to refer to Jesus of Nazareth,...

                    ...In English the name Yeshua is extensively used by followers of Messianic Judaism as well as other Christian denominations who wish to use what they consider to be Jesus' Hebrew or Aramaic name...
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                    • Profile picture of the author kentah
                      Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                      What would you call these, then? :confused:



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                      Oh ok I understand now he meant to say before Jesus, Erastothenes had measured the circumference of the earth. I thought that Yeshua was some other ancient mathematician who had done the same. My bad. But that link has information that is too general to.... anyway whatever
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                      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                        Originally Posted by kentah View Post

                        Oh ok I understand now he meant to say before Jesus, Erastothenes had measured the circumference of the earth. I thought that Yeshua was some other ancient mathematician who had done the same. My bad. But that link has information that is too general to.... anyway whatever
                        I'm glad you got it.

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                      • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
                        Europe stopped believing the Earth was flat hundreds of years before Christianity had even been invented.

                        And before that it was not unreasonable for people to think it was flat was it?

                        Not sure why you think The Catholic Church was teaching otherwise.

                        All Universities were linked to the Church and all students at University right throughout the Middles Ages right across Europe had to read a book called De Sphaera Mundi (On The Sphere of The World) which states that the earth is a sphere.

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                        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                          Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

                          Europe stopped believing the Earth was flat hundreds of years before Christianity had even been invented.

                          And before that it was not unreasonable for people to think it was flat was it?

                          Not sure why you think The Catholic Church was teaching otherwise.

                          All Universities were linked to the Church and all students at University right throughout the Middles Ages right across Europe had to read a book called De Sphaera Mundi (On The Sphere of The World) which states that the earth is a sphere.

                          Dan

                          True, but some fanatical groups religious or otherwise would choose their own beliefs, regardless!

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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

    Either way this demonstrates that just because popular media of the time pushes something, that it doesn't mean it is correct..........This clearly shows in the distant past that gov, etc, will believe in something to gain power or wealth.
    So, in regards to Global warming, and space exploration, UFO,s power generation, etc, gov, word cannot be taken at face value!:

    Though I get the sense of what you are saying and its true to a large degree we have to be careful. Past figures of authority abusing their power does not of necessity translate into conspiracy theories of present authorities.

    Though dogma can be found in any social structure surrounding any kind of power it does not necessarily follow that all societal systems are always operating on dogma. However some most definitely are so you have a point

    Since you mentioned certain institutions I would recommend you to this book

    Amazon.com: Galileo Goes to Jail and Other Myths...Amazon.com: Galileo Goes to Jail and Other Myths...

    Present dogma has wildly exaggerated the past and the reasons for certain historical events.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Granted, some speak of the four corners of the earth, and there may have been a reference like that in the bible, but I fail to see how it says the earth is flat. Some things are said only to relate to other things, and then lose meaning. Also, there is translation that gets in the way. The Germans may call a week 8 days. Do they have 8 days in a week? NOPE!

    Early maps spoke of dragons. In a real way, there WERE! It was unknown territory. Nobody knew what to expect. I can't believe anyone SERIOUSLY thought they would fall off. And they DID have sextants and telescopes, so they should have noticed that things weren't perfect. HECK, even if the world WERE flat, there would have to be a point where oceans stopped, and the edge would have to be HUGE! Otherwise, how could you explain the deep oceans or the water?

    And claude. She MIGHT have been curious about his shoe size alone. so many shows talk about some athletes with large shoe sizes, and speak of how some must be specially made. Are THEY all talking about some endowment that isn't financial?

    I THOUGHT of a little history/myth lesson about one organization. ALAS, too ....

    It's a shame really because one person eventually acquired some power, around maybe the 9th century, and kind of set the tone. Around the 15th century, a device changed that. Germany effectively broke off around the 15th century, England around the 16th, etc.... Still, many think it was/is 0-now.

    Still, until the brake, falling to toe the line would create BIG social problems.

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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    Each time I travel down the road, the curves and sloppy nature of the road keeps proving the earth ain't flat indeed.

    Try standing by an ocean and see how the water runs down at the far end.

    You don't really have to be out there to see the shape of earth before believing in the truth, people in general have continue to do wonders that we just have no option than to believe them.

    We are all entitle to our opinion anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author USA
    All right folks. Now that all of you have calmed down a bit. Let me let all of you in on a little secret that only certain enlightened people know.

    Who are these enlightened people you ask?? You know, those super intelligent, gifted few who know that there really are/is such things as UFOs, the Illuminati, Sasquatches and Yetis, that 9/11 was a conspiracy of the US Gov, that global warming is REAL, that there's life on Mars, that we've never been to the Moon.

    Why... they even believe that the birth certificate is real!!

    The BIG secret that they keep from you... that they don't want you to know... that they really believe in their hearts is...
    that the earth really IS flat!!

    OK, so now I've told you.... now you know the TRUTH!!

    I hope you can all sleep better now.


    P.S. I've seen some strange things around here... I hope no one takes me serious!
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  • Profile picture of the author USA
    When I was in elementary school (I was born in the early 60's), we were taught that as a young man, Christopher Columbus used to watch the ships leaving port and sail out to sea.

    Being an intelligent young man, destined to future and forever fame, he noted that as the ships "disappeared" over the horizon, they appeared to sink before they shrunk off into the distance, too small to be seen anymore . That is, the last thing he saw as they sailed off into oblivion was the tops of their masts!


    Based on his observations, young Chris surmised that there must be a curvature to the earth, and hypothesized that the earth was indeed spherical in nature.

    If this was so, then one could theoretically travel on a straight course and if, unimpeded by obstacles such as land masses or sea monsters, then one would eventually come back to the place one started at, the place of origin, but from the opposite direction!

    It was at that moment that the yet uninvented proverbial light bulb lit up in Chris' head and he thought he may have found a short cut to the West Indies, which was the place to go at the time to amass wealth and fame, but only by threat of great peril and danger.

    To make a long story short, and a short story even shorter, he made a pitch to the powers that be in Portugal that the earth was indeed round, and that they should fund an expedition to prove his theory. Not to be put off by a firm "get the F&#k out of here" from a king, he went next door to his neighbors in Spain, and using his Italian Stallion charms, convinced the Queen of Spain to front him three ships and a few good men.

    (Have you ever noticed the paintings of Queen Isabella's son resemble the likeness of Mr. Columbus?)


    He never found the West Indies and ended up landing in San Salvador in the Americas. The rest is history of course.


    I also remember the text book I was given in Geography in the seventh grade (I believe the title was something like, The Brave New World), also proclaimed that story in greater detail, even quoting some of Mr. Columbus's diaries and log books.


    It's sad how things have changed in the public educational system in the States today, where great men of renown and history are slandered and denigrated. It's one of the reasons that my wife and I chose to home school our two sons. They are now 19 and 25 respectively. One holds a fine executive position, and the other is in University studying robotics.
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