Shooting of 107 year old

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Read in the World news in my local paper earlier this week of the police shooting dead a 107 year old man, when I first read this story, I was that shocked and horrified I had to read it several times..

The fact the police would stand by the officers that killed this elderly man is beyond comprehension, the police had stated that they believed he was about 5 years younger,,so what, if there was a danger, could these cowards not have handled him a lot better, he may have been suffering from elzeimers.

There was no justification for this shooting of such an elderly man..the shooter should have had the book throwin at him and charged..

What do fellow Warriors think of this travesty of justice??
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    So...... what? Have our police been turned this rabid - or are they just so pansied out they are scared to deal with a centenarian without their swat gear? Do they feel like BIG guys on the block now? At least we know it's true that they aren't hiring cops with IQs if they are too stupid to embarrass themselves for doing something this stinking pathetic. Whoever refused to prosecute them is just as bad. Dickless wonder compensating with a flashy uniform. Woo. Kick their asses out.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by Mikaedi88 View Post

    There was no justification for this shooting of such an elderly man..the shooter should have had the book throwin at him and charged..

    What do fellow Warriors think of this travesty of justice??
    I think when you're armed, hold a gun on your granddaughter and then shoot at SWAT or any police, you're probably going to get shot no matter how old you are.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      I think when you're armed, hold a gun on your granddaughter and then shoot at SWAT or any police, you're probably going to get shot no matter how old you are.
      I'm going to be as clear as I can be. Logic and clear thinking is not needed here. I don't like it, and I won't stand for it.

      If you are going to actually wait until you get more facts before you decide someone must be punished, you have wasted valuable time.

      My idea is to get one piece of information...like the guy's age...and then pass judgement.

      People who think they need all the pieces of the puzzle before they can see the whole picture...make me sick.

      The guy was old, so the cops should be charged with murder.

      All this "waiting until the facts are in" isn't American. Do you know who waits until the facts are in? Communists.

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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I'm going to be as clear as I can be. Logic and clear thinking is not needed here. I don't like it, and I won't stand for it.

        If you are going to actually wait until you get more facts before you decide someone must be punished, you have wasted valuable time.

        My idea is to get one piece of information...like the guy's age...and then pass judgement.

        People who think they need all the pieces of the puzzle before they can see the whole picture...make me sick.

        The guy was old, so the cops should be charged with murder.

        All this "waiting until the facts are in" isn't American. Do you know who waits until the facts are in? Communists.

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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I'm going to be as clear as I can be. Logic and clear thinking is not needed here. I don't like it, and I won't stand for it.

        If you are going to actually wait until you get more facts before you decide someone must be punished, you have wasted valuable time.

        My idea is to get one piece of information...like the guy's age...and then pass judgement.

        People who think they need all the pieces of the puzzle before they can see the whole picture...make me sick.

        The guy was old, so the cops should be charged with murder.

        All this "waiting until the facts are in" isn't American. Do you know who waits until the facts are in? Communists.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mikaedi88
    You miss the point entirely sbuccial, there would have been a less lethal way of dealing with the situation than using their trigger happy fingers..

    If they were that inexperienced they are unable to handle a elderly man over 100 years of age, then they should not be police at all, also whether he held a firearm at his granddaughter was irrelevant really..

    What has the US come to where police can get away with shooting elderly and stunning disabled folk, yes that happened as well..

    I still say these officers should have been charged, in our country, it would not have happened, the US sure is way ahead of us in technology and the like..
    but in all honesty, their treatment of the above sucks..the cops over there have way to much power in my book.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Mikaedi88 View Post

      You miss the point entirely sbuccial, there would have been a less lethal way of dealing with the situation than using their trigger happy fingers..

      I didn't miss the point at all. Tell me when you have a loaded gun pointed at you, how you handled it and lived to tell about it. Guns are fast and lethal. There normally isn't any time to "baby" someone holding a loaded weapon.

      Of course, it wouldn't have been nearly as tragic if some police officer with a wife and bunch of kids was shot by this old coot with a loaded gun, would it?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mikaedi88
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        I didn't miss the point at all. Tell me when you have a loaded gun pointed at you, how you handled it and lived to tell about it. Guns are fast and lethal. There normally isn't any time to "baby" someone holding a loaded weapon.

        Of course, it wouldn't have been nearly as tragic if some police officer with a wife and bunch of kids was shot by this old coot with a loaded gun, would it?

        If I was in that position and I was confronted by someone advanced in age as he was, I would have used better tactics than shooting him..

        What about their negotiators, where the hell were they? all this shows is the disrespect the police have towards the elderly..and their lack of training, which is obvious.

        In my country, this would never have happened, there would be hell to pay, and yes, our [police do shoot to kill if need be, mistakes are also made, but for someone so advanced in age, I would have thought the police would have more resources in place to handle the situation.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Mikaedi88 View Post

          If I was in that position and I was confronted by someone advanced in age as he was, I would have used better tactics than shooting him..

          I read the news reports. They already failed at negotiation. He was shooting through the door. So you go ahead and second guess it all you want and tell me how you have a superior method of dealing with gun violence, which this clearly was, but I don't fault police for self defense in the line of fire.

          Who were the geniuses who let a 107 year old man possess a gun to start with? Oh, yeah ... that's right. He has second amendment rights, even if he might not be the sharpest pin in the box.
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          • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
            Maybe the same ones who think letting blind people have guns is a good idea.

            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post


            Who were the geniuses who let a 107 year old man possess a gun to start with? Oh, yeah ... that's right. He has second amendment rights, even if he might not be the sharpest pin in the box.
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            • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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              Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

              Maybe the same ones who think letting blind people have guns is a good idea.

              lol ... who does that? (Not that I would be surprised, mind you). I think the adults in this man's life should have seen to it that he did not have a gun if his mental faculties were pretty much a goner.
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              • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                lol ... who does that? (Not that I would be surprised, mind you). I think the adults in this man's life should have seen to it that he did not have a gun if his mental faculties were pretty much a goner.
                In Iowa blind people are granted gun permits. I saw a video of a blind guy doing target practice and thought it was from The Onion.

                Blind People Are Granted Gun Permits in Iowa - ABC News

                Here's that video:

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                • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                  Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                  In Iowa blind people are granted gun permits. I saw a video of a blind guy doing target practice and thought it was from The Onion.
                  I've just crossed Iowa tourism off of my bucket list ... lol
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                • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                  Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                  In Iowa blind people are granted gun permits. I saw a video of a blind guy doing target practice and thought it was from The Onion.

                  Blind People Are Granted Gun Permits in Iowa - ABC News

                  Here's that video:

                  Iowa sheriff: Blind people can use guns safely - YouTube
                  Well, this is just IDIOTIC! The guy is an IDIOT! aim by hearing? At WHAT? A cat? His grand daughter? And shoot WHAT? Don't forget, he has to FIND the gun! My guns are hidden, and ammo is hidden elsewhere. If I were blind, GOOD LUCK! You can't leave audible clues or put in the open, because you are welcoming a theft of the gun.

                  It must be a putup job though. And YEAH, someone with advanced alzheimers shouldn't have a gun EITHER. IMAGINE if my mother knew I had a gun, and had the bullets, etc... I'd probably be DEAD now, if she didn't first get arrested for brandishing a stolen gun trying to shoot down my killer when she thought I was dead or something.

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                  Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                  In Iowa blind people are granted gun permits. I saw a video of a blind guy doing target practice and thought it was from The Onion.

                  Blind People Are Granted Gun Permits in Iowa - ABC News

                  Here's that video:

                  Iowa sheriff: Blind people can use guns safely - YouTube
                  He just needs to take shooting lessons from Ray:


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                  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                    Get out of the line of fire and wait.
                    Wait for him to doze off??? Might work.
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                    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                      Wait for him to doze off??? Might work.
                      Who knows why they don't take that kind of approach, especially since they knew they were dealing with a 107 year old. I think if I were in charge, I'd sit back, order Chinese food for the SWAT team, tell them to stand down and wait for the old geezer to take a nap.

                      Bringing SWAT into it at all automatically escalates it to a shoot first think later mentality, and if it had been a much younger man in there that had just held a gun on two people, shot at police through the door and ended up dead, no one would have given it a second thought.
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                      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                        Who knows why they don't take that kind of approach, especially since they knew they were dealing with a 107 year old.
                        Apparently they DIDN'T! They said they thought he was only 102!

                        I think if I were in charge, I'd sit back, order Chinese food for the SWAT team, tell them to stand down and wait for the old geezer to take a nap.

                        Bringing SWAT into it at all automatically escalates it to a shoot first think later mentality, and if it had been a much younger man in there that had just held a gun on two people, shot at police through the door and ended up dead, no one would have given it a second thought.
                        Can you really be sure he would go to sleep so quickly though?

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                        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                          If he were just an old goot waving a gun around...waiting him out makes sense.

                          From what little I read he was holding the gun on family members - and cops can't tolerate that and can't sit by and see what happens.

                          The one thing I bet will not be said any any of the news stories on this:

                          "His life was cut short by...."
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    Was this what is known as "suicide by cop"? Did he leave a note?
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Oh wow. The guy was brandishing a gun? I thought this was the same incident as a few weeks ago when they shot a totally unarmed guy in a wheelchair that had only one workable arm and leg - was holding a freaking pencil.

    Sorry - I have to agree with Suzanne on this one. If the guy was waving a gun around, he needed to be dropped. Mental illness isn't an excuse to be deadly. You wave a gun and if you get shot, well, that's life..or was.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Oh wow. The guy was brandishing a gun? I thought this was the same incident as a few weeks ago when they shot a totally unarmed guy in a wheelchair that had only one workable arm and leg - was holding a freaking pencil.

      Sorry - I have to agree with Suzanne on this one. If the guy was waving a gun around, he needed to be dropped. Mental illness isn't an excuse to be deadly. You wave a gun and if you get shot, well, that's life..or was.
      Yeah ... I remember that one and I was outraged as well. What harm could a guy in a wheelchair with a pen do to anyone? The cop should have been jailed for murder. This case isn't similar.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        You sit in New Zealand passing judgment on a police action in Arkansas? Too bad you didn't read the local reports of the story instead of sensationalist blogs before posting this.

        Sal - you are too smart to pass judgement without looking into a story first. The "pen/wheelchair" incident was a year ago.

        If you are 17 or 107 - if you fire a gun at police, you may get shot. Imagine that!

        PINE BLUFF, Ark. (AP) -- Police in the southeast Arkansas city of Pine Bluff say a 107-year-old man is dead after SWAT officers shot back at him during a standoff at a home.

        Pine Bluff Lt. David Price say police officers called to the home Saturday were told Monroe Isadore had pointed a weapon at two people there. Officers had the threatened pair leave the home and approached a bedroom. Police say Isadore shot through the door at officers but missed hitting them. More officers were called, including a SWAT team that inserted a camera into the room and confirmed Isadore had a handgun.

        Police say SWAT officers released gas into the room when negotiations didn't work. They say Isadore shot at officers and they fired back, killing him.

        Police say an investigation is ongoing.
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          Who were the geniuses who let a 107 year old man possess a gun to start with? Oh, yeah ... that's right. He has second amendment rights, even if he might not be the sharpest pin in the box.
          Hold on. You can't take someone's rights because they old. Of the 5 or so relatives of mine that I KNEW that were over 100 when they died - not one of them had mental problems (well one did, but he wasn't playing with a full deck at 20 so it wasn't an age thing). You don't tell someone who's mind (and body) is functioning just fine that they no longer have the right to self-protection unless they become mentally infirm. Despite what this country wants people to think - age doesn't automatically do that to people. My father is 89 years old. He plays tennis and golf. You gonna take his gun from him just because he's almost 90? Good luck. He'll chew you a new one, with grace, and ruin you in court. Old age is not, in itself, a mental disorder.


          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

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          Sal - you are too smart to pass judgement without looking into a story first. The "pen/wheelchair" incident was a year ago.
          Sorry - I just saw that story going around the other day and thought it was the same one. I didn't pass judgement on the cops for shooting a guy who was waving a gun around - I passed judgement on the cops that killed a crippled man with a pen. Just skipped a cog on the story.
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            Hold on. You can't take someone's rights because they old. Of the 5 or so relatives of mine that I KNEW that were over 100 when they died - not one of them had mental problems (well one did, but he wasn't playing with a full deck at 20 so it wasn't an age thing).
            I'd say that holding a gun on your granddaughter might be a red flag that he's not playing with a full deck. Either that or he's just a criminal.

            My father is 84 and can't remember our conversations after 5 minutes, but has been a national champion shooter and gunsmith most of his life. It's not time to take away his guns just because his memory has gone to crap, but if I see any indication that they should be taken away, I'd sweep this house clean of them and wouldn't ask anyone's permission to do it. I'd also remove the keys to the truck from his access and there's times that I feel that is a lot closer to happening than the guns.
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            • Profile picture of the author HeySal
              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

              I'd say that holding a gun on your granddaughter might be a red flag that he's not playing with a full deck. Either that or he's just a criminal.

              My father is 84 and can't remember our conversations after 5 minutes, but has been a national champion shooter and gunsmith most of his life. It's not time to take away his guns just because his memory has gone to crap, but if I see any indication that they should be taken away, I'd sweep this house clean of them and wouldn't ask anyone's permission to do it. I'd also remove the keys to the truck from his access and there's times that I feel that is a lot closer to happening than the guns.

              Agree - wholeheartedly. Just didn't like the sound of "age" being the culprit so clarified. My roomie's mother is only in her late 70's and is all upset about having her car keys taken. She's a mess though - and I have full expectations that she'll take off on foot for the store down the road some time and not be able to find her way home. She was close to lethal just getting out of her driveway. Scares me when families or doctors don't intervene in this type of case. In THIS case - it took the doctor to do it because her offspring are too drooling stupid to do it.
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              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                Agree - wholeheartedly. Just didn't like the sound of "age" being the culprit so clarified. My roomie's mother is only in her late 70's and is all upset about having her car keys taken. She's a mess though - and I have full expectations that she'll take off on foot for the store down the road some time and not be able to find her way home. She was close to lethal just getting out of her driveway. Scares me when families or doctors don't intervene in this type of case. In THIS case - it took the doctor to do it because her offspring are too drooling stupid to do it.
                My father's arthritis is such that he can't turn his head around to look behind him ... talk about lethal just getting out of the driveway. He went to his sister's house and just backed into her brick entranceway rather than looking around. Hit a car in a Walmart parking lot because he just backed out without turning around to look.

                The only thing he wants is a daily news paper so we just sneak out real quick and get it before it occurs to him to do it and that has pretty much taken him off the road, except for occasionally when he sneaks by us.

                He will be livid when he's told flat out ... no more driving, but the risk to himself and to others is too great to ignore.
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                • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  My father's arthritis is such that he can't turn his head around to look behind him ... talk about lethal just getting out of the driveway. He went to his sister's house and just backed into her brick entranceway rather than looking around. Hit a car in a Walmart parking lot because he just backed out without turning around to look.

                  The only thing he wants is a daily news paper so we just sneak out real quick and get it before it occurs to him to do it and that has pretty much taken him off the road, except for occasionally when he sneaks by us.

                  He will be livid when he's told flat out ... no more driving, but the risk to himself and to others is too great to ignore.
                  I have the same kind of arthritis(though thankfully not THAT bad currently). You just have to check the mirrors, move the angle, and slow down the car. It IS best to try to force turning around, but the other stuff will help a LOT.

                  Have him see a good physical therapist. MOST are QUACKS, and most others have little idea of what to do, but if they can get the vertebra to line up right, he could do a sort of exercise with a rolled up towel to increase mobility and reduce pain. I USED to be as bad as he is! NOW, I have mobility that is about average. TRACTION may help ALSO. I can't do it justice in text, but HERE is the basic idea.

                  1. Somehow relieve downward pressure on your spine, if your vertebra aren't aligned right.
                  2. Roll up a towel to where it is a roll like 2-3 inches wide.
                  3. Stand up as straight as possible against a wall, with the towel just above your shoulders, and between your neck and the wall.
                  4. Gently apply pressure on the towel forward as you apply pressure in your neck against it.
                  5. try to move your head side to side in a panning motion, even if it hurts a little. It shouldn't hurt TOO much.

                  Done right, you could have mobility back within a minute, though it could take several days or so. I do it periodically(Like maybe every 3-5 years) if I have problems, and have been doing it for close to 20 years.

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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

              I'd say that holding a gun on your granddaughter might be a red flag that he's not playing with a full deck. Either that or he's just a criminal.

              My father is 84 and can't remember our conversations after 5 minutes, but has been a national champion shooter and gunsmith most of his life. It's not time to take away his guns just because his memory has gone to crap, but if I see any indication that they should be taken away, I'd sweep this house clean of them and wouldn't ask anyone's permission to do it. I'd also remove the keys to the truck from his access and there's times that I feel that is a lot closer to happening than the guns.
              Alzheimers is FAR from being something where you can't remember 5 minutes into the past. In fact, it is conceivable that a person could seem normal for a day, within the context of the day. My mother CERTAINLY remembered some current things. She could tell me what I did DECADES ago, and hold a conversation for minutes, but not remember anything about the day before, etc.... HCK, when I moved, I had HER arrange things in california, and there was a drill that was missed. A friend got it for me when I was like 7 or 8, and I kept it for DECADES. It was moved home to home. She forgot all about it. Late in the day, when she called, she would indicate that she didn't know what state(of the union) I was in, let alone the time of day. Many people with alzheimers tend to find it harder to remember current events, etc... as the day progresses.

              The brain works almost like a computer. In a computer, there is a cache that remembers CURRENT stuff and remembers for a time. Depending on the type, the time can vary. Same with a person. Apparently, there is a secondary, or so, level that lasts about a day. THIS was illustrated in the plot of "50 first dates". IRONICALLY, many young people have problems here, and some with alzheimers DON'T! A computer has a long term memory. SAME with a person! If a young person remembers information for maybe an hour, and intends to remember it, they likely WILL for a long while. People with alzheimers may not only forget that stuff within a day, but forget other stuff as well. The most current stuff is the FIRST to be forgotten. BTW People can have pretty full blown cases of alzheimers EVEN in their FORTIES!

              With older people, memories just become a bit more spotty, but even the youngest kids forget much of what they know.

              I HATED the idea that I was a LOW RISK driver, and had to pay more for car insurance because of some STUPID males making it seem like ALL young males were bad drivers! People have made a LOT of really STUPID assumptions about me, and I wouldn't want to have any similar thing codified. Some young people don't EVER deserve to even ride a BIKE! Conversely, some old people shouldn't be denied the ability to drive a car.

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              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                Alzheimers is FAR from being something where you can't remember 5 minutes into the past.
                Yeah ... my father doesn't have Alzheimers at this point, but having conversations with him is well ... like the movie Groudhog Day ...

                Me: I sold one of your guns (the blue M1 Garand). Got the lead from the website.
                Him: How much did you sell it for?
                Me: $5K

                Him: thinks about stuff for awhile (5 minutes)

                Him: Do I still have a website?
                Me: Yes
                Him: I guess I should fire up my computer again then so I can sell my guns
                Me: But it's not connected to the Internet and you don't know how to use it. I manage your website and sell your guns for you.

                ... some time goes by

                Me: I paid your RE tax with the money from the gun
                Him: What gun?
                Me: The blue one
                Him: How much did you sell it for?

                and on and on.
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                • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  Yeah ... my father doesn't have Alzheimers at this point, but having conversations with him is well ... like the movie Groudhog Day ...

                  Me: I sold one of your guns (the blue M1 Garand). Got the lead from the website.
                  Him: How much did you sell it for?
                  Me: $5K

                  Him: thinks about stuff for awhile (5 minutes)

                  Him: Do I still have a website?
                  Me: Yes
                  Him: I guess I should fire up my computer again then so I can sell my guns
                  Me: But it's not connected to the Internet and you don't know how to use it. I manage your website and sell your guns for you.

                  ... some time goes by

                  Me: I paid your RE tax with the money from the gun
                  Him: What gun?
                  OK, that does seem pretty bad!

                  Maybe you should watch him. Alzheimers is an EPIDEMIC! Nobody seems to take it seriously, but it IS an EPIDEMIC! And it is NOT good. Frankly, if I start to get a bit lazy, I push back and try to learn more stuff since it seems to at least SLOW DOWN the appearance of alzheimers, and I don't want to ever experience it. It seems technophobic people are the most likely to be affected. It is like my mother and father. Roughly the same age, my mother had advanced alzheimers and was a MESS. My father seems sharp as a tack, not adverse to learning new things, etc... He called me today from Paris on Skype. From what he was saying, I guess skype is new to him.

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                  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                    Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                    OK, that does seem pretty bad!

                    Maybe you should watch him. Alzheimers is an EPIDEMIC! Nobody seems to take it seriously, but it IS an EPIDEMIC! And it is NOT good. Frankly, if I start to get a bit lazy, I push back and try to learn more stuff since it seems to at least SLOW DOWN the appearance of alzheimers, and I don't want to ever experience it. It seems technophobic people are the most likely to be affected. It is like my mother and father. Roughly the same age, my mother had advanced alzheimers and was a MESS. My father seems sharp as a tack, not adverse to learning new things, etc... He called me today from Paris on Skype. From what he was saying, I guess skype is new to him.

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                    I'll bring it up at his next Dr. visit. The Dr. hasn't used the big A word so far, but maybe if I describe our conversations and how circular they are, he'll take a closer look.
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                    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                      I'll bring it up at his next Dr. visit. The Dr. hasn't used the big A word so far, but maybe if I describe our conversations and how circular they are, he'll take a closer look.
                      Give him a spoonful of coconut oil (organic) every day. It can help starting the first dose they take - and cut him off of ANY and ALL fake sugars. You'll be surprised how well it helps. You might have to put it in something to hide it, though. It's kinda yuck stuff by the spoonful.
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    I hate to say it, but people with alzheimers sometimes seem to remember that things were different, and forget that they have memory problems. At least that is how I can best explain one common, albeit little publicized, symptom of alzheimers. They become PARANOID!

    My mother, for example, who decided to live in my house since I typically only came here like 100 days out of the year, thought I had someone come here to arrange the silverware and make noises! She thought I was trying to scare her out of here, etc... Which is all the funnier since she was never supposed to be here.

    ALSO, she had hallucinations. I could EASILY see such a person even killing people he or she once seemed to love.

    BTW Communists do anything they can to spy, etc... I saw a documentary recently that documented "katrina witts" life as a diplomat of sorts. She was simply a figure skater! They had her tell LIES to the ublic to console them, and spied on her EVEN in the practice rink through, among other things, audio bugs all over the rink!

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    I'm done with this planet. BRING THE ALIENS!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    The actual application of law enforcement does seem to lag behind the technology discussed on tabloids. What about those purported newfangled ways to knock people out of commission with sound waves without actually killing them?
    Chicago Police Sound Cannon: LRAD 'Sonic Weapon' Purchased Ahead Of NATO Protests (VIDEO) (that nasty device has the unfortunate side-effect of making people go deaf)

    But, seriously, there has got to be other ways of doing it, eg gas that induces unconsciousness?
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    • Profile picture of the author socialentry
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      The actual application of law enforcement does seem to lag behind the technology discussed on tabloids. What about those purported newfangled ways to knock people out of commission with sound waves without actually killing them?
      Chicago Police Sound Cannon: LRAD 'Sonic Weapon' Purchased Ahead Of NATO Protests (VIDEO) (that nasty device has the unfortunate side-effect of making people go deaf)

      But, seriously, there has got to be other ways of doing it, eg gas that induces unconsciousness?
      Just beating the protesters to a pulp used to work. And it gave them a reminder not to do it again.
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

        Just beating the protesters to a pulp used to work. And it gave them a reminder not to do it again.
        That's generally how it's still done.
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        • Profile picture of the author socialentry
          Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

          That's generally how it's still done.
          Can't they just stick to the old methods, it saves taxpayers money.

          Sure, I mean you should have one microwave tank somewhere in an army hangar, but I bet now everyone will want want one whether they really need it or not

          EDIT: on second thought this is pretty darn cool. It's like something out of AKIRA or Ghost in the Shell. I approve of the sound cannon. It should be renamed AKIRA for PR purposes.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    About the idea of waiting him out, we don't know if anybody who could have been killed or injured was in his sights while they were waiting him out. Even if he randomly shot out a window.
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