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joseph7384

12 years ago

I guess you can compare to like in "Dawn of the dead", if you got bit by a zombie, naturally you would turn into a zombie!

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MissTerraK

12 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

How exactly did the spider bite turn that kid into Spiderman? Normally, spider bites cause a series of biochemical reactions that liquefy the prey's innards and turn it into a Slurpee for the spider. But after Peter Parker was bitten it caused a series of genetic changes that caused him to have spider characteristics. It was in a laboratory where genetic experiments were taking place. This suggests that these spiders might have had something different going on with them. Was it genetic recombination treatment that entered Peter Parker's body after the bite? What are your thoughts on this very important and relevant topic?

Did they ever show what happened to the spider that bit Peter Parker?

I'm thinking you are on to something in saying that it was in a laboratory where genetic experiments were taking place and asking if the recombination treatment entered into Peter's body after the bite. And I'm also thinking some reverse engineering occurred and so the spider went through those series of biochemical changes and liquefied into goo. It basically became a spidey slurpee!

That's what I think.

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thunderbird 12 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Did they ever show what happened to the spider that bit Peter Parker?<snip>

Yeah, what happened to that spider?
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- Paul Myers 12 years ago
  
  Yeah, what happened to that spider?
  
  In alternate universe 213, Flash Thompson swatted it when Peter squealed like a girl, thus ensuring Peter would never be bitten by it. They both spent their lives as "remember him" characters.
  
  A second spider bit MJ, who turned into SpiderGirl and married Venom. They produced a race of super-powered egomaniacs who ended up almost ruling the world, until J. Jonah Jameson III (aka, the Krimson Kobold) foiled their evil scheme.
  
  213 wasn't the most popular of alternate timelines in the Marvelverse, for obvious reasons...
  
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Paul Myers

12 years ago

I don't think Ditko and Lee ever explained it, beyond the spider having been radioactive. That was Stan's big tech contribution in the 60s. Unspecified radiation for Spiderman, cosmic rays for the FF, and gamma rays for the Hulk.

Fortunately, it appears Lee ignored the fact that genetic alterations resulting from exposure to these sorts of radiation are almost always harmful or fatal. Otherwise it would have been SpiderCorpse, the Phantastic Phlegm, and the Inedible Bulk.

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Claude Whitacre

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

I don't think Ditko and Lee ever explained it, beyond the spider having been radioactive. That was Stan's big tech contribution in the 60s. Unspecified radiation for Spiderman, cosmic rays for the FF, and gamma rays for the Hulk.

Fortunately, it appears Lee ignored the fact that genetic alterations resulting from exposure to these sorts of radiation are almost always harmful or fatal. Otherwise it would have been SpiderCorpse, the Phantastic Phlegm, and the Inedible Bulk.

Paul

Don't forget Toxic Waste. If there wasn't radiation, a splash of toxic waste would always give you superpowers. In the 1940's the Superheroes usually got their powers from Magic. It's where I got mine.

Sometimes, when I read comics from the 50's and 60's, I marvel (get it? Marvel?

) at how little the writers knew about science at all.

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

In alternate universe 213, Flash Thompson swatted it when Peter squealed like a girl, thus ensuring Peter would never be bitten by it. They both spent their lives as "remember him" characters.

A second spider bit MJ, who turned into SpiderGirl and married Venom. They produced a race of super-powered egomaniacs who ended up almost ruling the world, until J. Jonah Jameson III (aka, the Krimson Kobold) foiled their evil scheme.

213 wasn't the most popular of alternate timelines in the Marvelverse, for obvious reasons...

Your Kung Fu is strong.

I have a friend who's 5 year old captured a spider and kept trying to get it to bite him, so he could get superpowers. He just wouldn't believe that it wouldn't work.

He's now seven years old and now regularly posts on this forum.

(Sorry, I really couldn't resist that)

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seasoned

12 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

How exactly did the spider bite turn that kid into Spiderman? Normally, spider bites cause a series of biochemical reactions that liquefy the prey's innards and turn it into a Slurpee for the spider. But after Peter Parker was bitten it caused a series of genetic changes that caused him to have spider characteristics. It was in a laboratory where genetic experiments were taking place. This suggests that these spiders might have had something different going on with them. Was it genetic recombination treatment that entered Peter Parker's body after the bite? What are your thoughts on this very important and relevant topic?

Actually, some spiders just poison the prey. Before, and perhaps a bit INTO, the 1960s, radiation was seen as an odd thing and probably understood by few. The idea of mutations was popular but often spread to the idea of causing insanity, madness, uglyness, or supernatural abilities. Most with supernatural abilities, that weren't otherwise affected, were cast as heros, most others were cast as super villains. Of course, as Paul said, radiation is more likely to DESTROY your viability than enhance it, or merely alter it, in some way.

And YEAH, I forget about the comic and cartoon, but the movie DID say the spider was a genetic experiment. Radiation was just one of the things used.

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Kay King 12 years ago

I read through this thread....

It's like being on the inside of a Big Bang Theory episode....just having a chat with Sheldon and Leonard....:p
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thunderbird

12 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Actually, some spiders just poison the prey. Before, and perhaps a bit INTO, the 1960s, radiation was seen as an odd thing and probably understood by few. The idea of mutations was popular but often spread to the idea of causing insanity, madness, uglyness, or supernatural abilities. Most with supernatural abilities, that weren't otherwise affected, were cast as heros, most others were cast as super villains. Of course, as Paul said, radiation is more likely to DESTROY your viability than enhance it, or merely alter it, in some way.

And YEAH, I forget about the comic and cartoon, but the movie DID say the spider was a genetic experiment. Radiation was just one of the things used.

Steve

I knew someone would call me on the incompleteness of my spider description, lol. With Spiderman 1 made in 2002, I -- for once -- was impressed by Hollywood changes to story. It did tweak and modernize how he would be transformed into Spiderman and actually made it more cool and credible (not that it could ever really be credible), but it didn't sacrifice the main charm of the story -- that Spiderman was a regular young guy, very much a "bookworm" (60's description), slightly awkward. It didn't lose the compelling aspects of the original story-line and character as some 70's Spiderman cartoons did.

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Paul Myers

12 years ago

Claude,

Your Kung Fu is strong.

Kung fu? Is that what the cool kids call "making stuff up" these daze?

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Claude Whitacre

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Claude,Kung fu? Is that what the cool kids call "making stuff up" these daze?

Paul

Paul; You're asking me what kids say these days? :rolleyes:

We should have an "I'm so old, I don't know that this means" contest.

Oh, and stay off my lawn!

I think that the reason Spiderman was so popular, is that most comic readers are young men (maybe teenagers), and they tend to be geeky with active imaginations. That's not a slam. An active imagination is a sign of high intelligence. And you need that to translate comic art and dialog into a cohesive story.

And Spiderman had teenager trouble. It was extremely easy to identify with Peter Parker.

And then Marvel saw how relatable characters would sell more books...and then almost all hero's had personal problems, anger issues, drama in their lives.

The DCd heroes were cardboard personalities that were defined by their powers. Superman was like Aquaman, except for abilities. Flask is like Green Arrow, except for abilities....except for Batman. Batman is character gold.

I believe (I'm being serious) that Batman will be treated like legends of old, in a few hundred years. Like Robin Hood, or King Author. And I wonder if there will ever be a Church of Superman.

Ahhh, Super Heroes are my porn.

Want a Marketing lesson?: The Death of Superman.

My God! Every month for a year, you had to buy 5 or 6 different comics just to follow the story. It was national News. Stupid Claude, picked up one comic in the middle of it all. Of course, now I had to know how it all began.....and how it would all end.

I'm a grown man. Eager to read the next issue...out in 4 days...

And now Kick Ass 3 is getting written. Sigh.....Here I go again.

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Dan Riffle

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Flask is like Green Arrow, except for abilities....

Dammit! My alter ego has been discovered!

All well, time for a drink.

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joseph7384 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Flask is like Green Arrow, except for abilities....

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Dammit! My alter ego has been discovered!

All well, time for a drink.

Oh no Claude! You revealed the Green Arrow's true identity!
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Claude Whitacre

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Dammit! My alter ego has been discovered!

All well, time for a drink.

Yeah, Flask is like the Flash...except he's a scientist with super speed.

Haven't you ever heard of The Flask!??

Try to keep up.

The Flask also doesn't spell check his posts, apparently. :rolleyes:

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Dan Riffle

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Yeah, Flask is like the Flash...except he's a scientist with super speed.

Haven't you ever heard of The Flask!??

Try to keep up.

The Flask also doesn't spell check his posts, apparently. :rolleyes:

Claude, I've already claimed The Flask as my superhero name. You can't just prance in a claim it.

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Claude Whitacre

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Claude, I've already claimed The Flask as my superhero name. You can't just prance in a claim it.

OK, You can be The Flask, if you promise to call me The Prancer.:rolleyes:

A few years ago I made up the name The Alabaster Tallywhacker...and I told my wife that she would be called Whippersnapper.

Because, just once, I wanted to hear some crook yell "Run! It's the Alabaster Tallywhacker and Whippersnapper!"

And then my life would be complete.

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Dan Riffle

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

OK, You can be The Flask, if you promise to call me The Prancer.:rolleyes:

This sounds like an absolutely horrible dynamic duo. It also sounds like it would be on The Logo Network. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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Claude Whitacre

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

This sounds like an absolutely horrible dynamic duo. It also sounds like it would be on The Logo Network. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Logo network? No. Bravo? Yes, it would be fabulous! (Said in outrageous flaming gay voice)

Dynamic Duo? No. You would become my arch nemesis. You would set up death traps, trying to kill me with my one weakness...chocolate covered donuts.

of course, I can only eat one...or I couldn't be called The Prancer for long. I'd be called The Waddler.

Claude "The Waddler" Whitacre

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Dan Riffle

12 years ago

Fixed that for you:

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

<prance, prance...>

Logo network? No. Bravo? Yes, it would be fabulous! (Said in outrageous flaming gay voice)

Dynamic Duo? No. You would become my arch nemesis. You would set up death traps, trying to kill me with my one weakness...chocolate covered donuts.

of course, I can only eat one...or I couldn't be called The Prancer for long. I'd be called The Waddler.

Claude "The Waddler" Whitacre

<...prance, prance>

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seasoned

12 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

I knew someone would call me on the incompleteness of my spider description, lol. With Spiderman 1 made in 2002, I -- for once -- was impressed by Hollywood changes to story. It did tweak and modernize how he would be transformed into Spiderman and actually made it more cool and credible (not that it could ever really be credible), but it didn't sacrifice the main charm of the story -- that Spiderman was a regular young guy, very much a "bookworm" (60's description), slightly awkward. It didn't lose the compelling aspects of the original story-line and character as some 70's Spiderman cartoons did.

Yeah, one thing that REALLY sells, and makes a story nice and something parents USED to really like is where a person is decent but helpless, and ends up in a position of power and, while remaining decent, helps those that hurt such people. Heck, that was one thing tat made the harry potter series! And harry potter could be likened to cinderella which was the SAME way!

In BOTH cases a decent person that suffered a bad fate, and ended up being adopted by step parents and treated as a lowly pet there solely to be at their "parents" beck and call. Cinderella became socially and financially powerful, and harry potter became socially and financially powerful in the magic world.

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socialentry

12 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

I knew someone would call me on the incompleteness of my spider description, lol. With Spiderman 1 made in 2002, I -- for once -- was impressed by Hollywood changes to story. It did tweak and modernize how he would be transformed into Spiderman and actually made it more cool and credible (not that it could ever really be credible), but it didn't sacrifice the main charm of the story -- that Spiderman was a regular young guy, very much a "bookworm" (60's description), slightly awkward. It didn't lose the compelling aspects of the original story-line and character as some 70's Spiderman cartoons did.

Did they really have to tell the same story half a decade later.

The tech didn't change all this much .
My impressions is that they just thought that the original Peter Park wasn't emo enough so they picked someone else.

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thunderbird

12 years ago

Originally Posted by socialentry

Did they really have to tell the same story half a decade later.

The tech didn't change all this much .
My impressions is that they just thought that the original Peter Park wasn't emo enough so they picked someone else.

What years are you talking about when you say "half a decade" later?

What does "emo" mean? Sorry, my lingo is kind of out -of-th- loop.

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socialentry 12 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

What years are you talking about when you say "half a decade" later?'

Ok I was wrong it was not half a decade it was a decade later.

The Amazing Spider-Man (2012 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What does "emo" mean? Sorry, my lingo is kind of out -of-th- loop.

It more or less denotes an effeminate dude (if its a dude) that is prone to emotions, tantrums or (in the more extreme cases) threats of suicide attempts.
I don't have a precise definition, it's kind of a general slur where you know it when you see it .
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- thunderbird 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by socialentry
  
  Ok I was wrong it was not half a decade it was a decade later.
  
  The Amazing Spider-Man (2012 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  
  I never saw the 2012 version. Sounds like you didn't care for it, lol.
  
  Originally Posted by socialentry
  
  It more or less denotes an effeminate dude that is prone to emotions, tantrums or (in the more extreme cases) threats of suicide attempts.
  
  Got it...I don't have a problem with effeminate dudes, masculine women or whoever if they don't have a problem with me being a straight, squarish guy more more in masculine spectrum of behavior and whatnot (it's not as if I or they really chose such characteristics).
  
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socialentry

12 years ago

Son Goku > Spider man.

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