"I've had enough of this crap!"

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Passer-by pushes suicide jumper in south China

Associated Press
Sat May 23, 4:34 am ET

BEIJING - Chen Fuchao, a man heavily in debt, had been contemplating suicide on a bridge in southern China for hours when a passer-by came up, shook his hand -- and pushed him off the ledge.

Chen fell 26 feet (8 meters) onto a partially inflated emergency air cushion laid out by authorities and survived, suffering spine and elbow injuries, the official Xinhua News Agency said Saturday.

The passer-by, 66-year-old Lai Jiansheng, had been fed up with what he called Chen's "selfish activity," Xinhua said. Traffic around the Haizhu bridge in the city of Guangzhou had been backed up for five hours and police had cordoned off the area.

"I pushed him off because jumpers like Chen are very selfish. Their action violates a lot of public interest," Lai was quoted as saying by Xinhua. "They do not really dare to kill themselves. Instead, they just want to raise the relevant government authorities' attention to their appeals."

Xinhua said Lai was "taken away by police" but did not elaborate.

A police officer who answered the telephone Saturday at a station close to the bridge confirmed the incident and said it was under investigation. He refused to give any other details and hung up.

According to Xinhua, Chen wanted to kill himself because he had accrued 2 million yuan ($290,000) in debt from a failed construction project.

On Thursday, he made his way to the Haizhu bridge, where 11 other people have tried to take their lives since April.

Lai volunteered to talk Chen down but was turned away by police, Xinhua said. Lai then broke through the cordon, climbed to where Chen sat, greeted him with a handshake, then pushed.

Photos in the Beijing Morning Post showed Lai, shoeless and in a T-shirt, saluting after Chen fell.

The paper said Lai was released on bail Friday but did not give any details. It said he had been on medication for "a mental illness" for decades and had been on his way to a hospital for his pills.

Chen was recovering in the hospital, Xinhua said.

Passer-by pushes suicide jumper in south China - Yahoo! News

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    • This is very true!

      Originally Posted by Norma Holt View Post

      Great story. Jumpers are cowards anyway.

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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Norma Holt View Post

      Great story. Jumpers are cowards anyway.

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      Wow. I see that my intuition in the "quit smoking" thread was right.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/mind-war...your-help.html

      Thanks for confirming that my sense of judgment is on track.
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  • Profile picture of the author jgand
    Interesting story. I guess when your 66 years old you don't have that much to lose.
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  • Profile picture of the author Star69
    Way I see it, if you're going to jump, why are you sitting on the railing until the police get there?

    I love that old guy! Walks up to the guy and shoves him off! " 看 YA!" (SEE YA!, in simple Chinese. )
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      People who are so indecisive often just need a little push.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kiwigal
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        People who are so indecisive often just need a little push.
        LOL.. this gives a new dimension to the saying,"when push comes to shove".
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  • Profile picture of the author Rich Miller
    OMG, That's just to funny. We often have bridge jumpers on the Bay Bridge and if they only knew how fed up people get and want to give them a push.
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    • Profile picture of the author derekwong28


      Police talks to the would-be jumper



      The jumper gets shoved off



      A victory sign from the shover



      The jumper in hospital
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        In the US, the pushee would now sue the pusher - and solve the financial problems he climbed the bridge to escape. Happily, some other cultures have more sense.

        I don't think someone who jumps to his death is a coward - but someone who perches waiting to be talked down or wanting to complain about his problems is an attention seeker, nothing more.

        If you want to jump - jump. If you want to talk, get a therapist.
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        • Profile picture of the author stevenh512
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          If you want to jump - jump. If you want to talk, get a therapist.
          Well if he was having such horrible financial troubles that he was thinking about ending his own life by jumping off a bridge, maybe he couldn't afford a therapist.

          But I have to agree.. if you're going to jump, just do it. Don't waste everyone else's time by getting the police out there to try to talk you down, shutting down traffic, etc.
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        • Profile picture of the author MSGeek
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          In the US, the pushee would now sue the pusher - and solve the financial problems he climbed the bridge to escape. Happily, some other cultures have more sense.
          Yep, I hope so. Although in China he may have to deal with authorities instead. Not a pleasant option either, but again, at 66 he probably does not care much.
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    He was just trying to help him by doing the job for him
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    Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Puts Laurel and Hardy to shame.
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    I didn't realize from the news headlines there was an airbag.

    I thought he had murdered the guy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Star69
    Well, if there were no airbag, it may have been better, because the guy would've died like he 'wanted' to. Dead men don't repeat their exploits. Once that guy gets out of the hospital his problems will still be there, so he may go back to the same place and try it again, only this time he'll keep his eyes open for old men walking around in socks!

    And the guy salutes! Priceless!
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  • Profile picture of the author JorgeD
    I find the expressions of mirth or contempt on this page really disturbing. What is wrong with you people?
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by JorgeD View Post

      I find the expressions of mirth or contempt on this page really disturbing. What is wrong with you people?
      Most of us arent interested in why someone wants to jump off a bridge especially when they really dont.

      People who really want to die dont make a big spectacle of it. They dont wait for the media, or police, or for an airbag to be inflated. They do whatever they are going to do and be done with it.

      This guy didnt want to jump, he wants to garner attention so that he can show the world how distraught he is because he made a retarded business decision and somehow squirm out of it because of public sympathy.
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      • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
        The fall is only 26 feet?! No wonder there has been 11 unsuccessful attempts. Seems odd that people would even choose that bridge to attempt it.
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          The Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco, CA is the most popular spot for serious suicide jumpers. There have been more than 1,200 suicide attempts at the Golden Gate Bridge since it opened in 1937, with a 99.79% success rate. When a person jumps from the Golden Gate Bridge, they plummet 240 feet in under four seconds, traveling about 75 mph, and hit the water with immense force. Death is almost certain, but there have been a few survivors who regret their action when slipping in and out of a coma or veggie state.

          Here are the most common injuries bridge jumpers can enjoy, depending on the angle of entry into the water: Most ribs break, and their jagged edges puncture internal organs such as the heart and lungs. Bones in arms and legs are seldom broken, but significant injury can occur to the femur (thighbone) or humerus (upper arm bone). The cervical and lumbar spine disks rupture on impact. Death usually is finalized by drowning after up to 10 minutes of flailing and splashing. It's not a pretty death, according to many push-overs and observers.

          Although most successful jumpers' bodies are recovered quickly by the Coast Guard, often they sink and the sea reclaims them even more quickly. Fish also love 'em and eat them. Not just sharks, but little fish. They eat the eyes and the other more tasy tender parts first. As the body decays and opens up, other tiny sea creatures move in to feed. Eventually, the remains fill with gas discharge from bacteria and float to the surface for recovery.
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          • Profile picture of the author JorgeD
            "People who really want to die dont make a big spectacle of it. They dont wait for the media, or police, or for an airbag to be inflated. They do whatever they are going to do and be done with it.

            This guy didnt want to jump, he wants to garner attention so that he can show the world how distraught he is because he made a retarded business decision and somehow squirm out of it because of public sympathy."
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            I am impressed with presumptive mind-reading abilities of some of our members.
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            • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
              Originally Posted by JorgeD View Post

              "People who really want to die dont make a big spectacle of it. They dont wait for the media, or police, or for an airbag to be inflated. They do whatever they are going to do and be done with it.

              This guy didnt want to jump, he wants to garner attention so that he can show the world how distraught he is because he made a retarded business decision and somehow squirm out of it because of public sympathy."
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              I am impressed with presumptive mind-reading abilities of some of our members.
              yeah, common sense is a shocking attiribute.
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          • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
            Originally Posted by myob View Post

            The Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco, CA is the most popular spot for serious suicide jumpers. There have been more than 1,200 suicide attempts at the Golden Gate Bridge since it opened in 1937, with a 99.79% success rate. When a person jumps from the Golden Gate Bridge, they plummet 240 feet in under four seconds, traveling about 75 mph, and hit the water with immense force. Death is almost certain, but there have been a few survivors who regret their action when slipping in and out of a coma or veggie state.

            Here are the most common injuries bridge jumpers can enjoy, depending on the angle of entry into the water: Most ribs break, and their jagged edges puncture internal organs such as the heart and lungs. Bones in arms and legs are seldom broken, but significant injury can occur to the femur (thighbone) or humerus (upper arm bone). The cervical and lumbar spine disks rupture on impact. Death usually is finalized by drowning after up to 10 minutes of flailing and splashing. It's not a pretty death, according to many push-overs and observers.

            Although most successful jumpers' bodies are recovered quickly by the Coast Guard, often they sink and the sea reclaims them even more quickly. Fish also love 'em and eat them. Not just sharks, but little fish. They eat the eyes and the other more tasy tender parts first. As the body decays and opens up, other tiny sea creatures move in to feed. Eventually, the remains fill with gas discharge from bacteria and float to the surface for recovery.
            And people think falling to death is so easy... it's like getting hit by a car.
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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
              I read something a while back about people who survived a suicide attempt that involved jumping. A large percentage who were interviewed said that a couple of seconds into the fall they realized that their problems really weren't that important. I was surprised at how close to "all" the number was.

              People who are under enough stress will consider a lot of different ways to end the stress. The guy may well have had the common epiphany before jumping, and already been in the position and looking for a way out when the crowd gathered.

              That could create confusion and a whole different kind of stress, which kept him locked in place.

              Or it may have been something else.

              I remember watching this story when it happened, and thinking how strange it was that no-one brought up the selfishness of the guy who pushed him, in response to his explanation. "You inconvenienced me, so you can die," was the real story, unless the older guy's mental illness was involved. Not enough info to tell that for sure, but it was selfish either way.

              The younger guy was on the bridge because he couldn't handle stress. The older one pushed him because he couldn't handle stress. They're not so different, except for the amount of pressure required to make them act.

              You do learn interesting things from reading people's reactions to stories like this. Some of the posts in this thread are downright ugly.


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              • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                Paul, I heard a guy on the radio being interviewed who jumped off the golden gate bridge and lived. He said that a second after jumping he realized it was wrong and he wanted to live. So he tried to position his body so he would survive the impact. The guy was interviewed and is in the movie The Bridge which is an erie and sad movie that shows suicide jumpers. Here's the opening three minutes of the movie. Warning: it does show a jumper at the end of this portion:


                The movie was controversial when it came out for several reasons. The whole movie can be seen on youtube.

                Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                I read something a while back about people who survived a suicide attempt that involved jumping. A large percentage who were interviewed said that a couple of seconds into the fall they realized that their problems really weren't that important. I was surprised at how close to "all" the number was.

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  • Profile picture of the author Star69
    It's called a healthy mental state, Jorge. We're sick and tired of people who 'try' to throw themselves off bridges, yet wait for the cops to get there. Where's the sense in that? If you want to ill yourself, just do it already and stop holding up traffic.

    We can laugh at the outcome of this because the guy didn't die, even after being 'helped'.

    I don't think there is anything wrong with any of us.

    I might make that picture of the salute my avatar...
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  • Profile picture of the author JorgeD
    I am glad I'm not "healthy."
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  • Profile picture of the author JorgeD
    Photos in the Beijing Morning Post showed Lai, shoeless and in a T-shirt, saluting after Chen fell.

    The paper said Lai was released on bail Friday but did not give any details. It said he had been on medication for "a mental illness" for decades and had been on his way to a hospital for his pills.

    Sounds like he was pretty "healthy."
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by JorgeD View Post

      Photos in the Beijing Morning Post showed Lai, shoeless and in a T-shirt, saluting after Chen fell.

      The paper said Lai was released on bail Friday but did not give any details. It said he had been on medication for "a mental illness" for decades and had been on his way to a hospital for his pills.

      Sounds like he was pretty "healthy."
      The "jumper" was denying him his pills!!!!! I can understand where lai was coming from!

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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    Since there had been 11 previous "failed" suicide attempts at that bridge, I can understand why people would be fed up. However, any fake "cry for help" attempted suicides should be taken seriously since it could easily lead to the real thing. Worse still nowadays, he could "take" his family and other people with him.

    In this case, I suspect that the reason behind his attempt could be that he felt he was not getting enough support from his family and friends, either morally or financially. It is also a well known fact that because of bad publicity, may banks will give a moratorium on the loans on would be suicides.

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  • Profile picture of the author John M Kane
    I'm with Jorge on this one.
    I feel we have been desensitized by all the wonderful movies.
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    • Profile picture of the author derekwong28

      After the incident, the mood of the crowd got ugly.

      I can hear lots of expletives from the crowd such as "F@#@ Your Mother's Smelly C#$@ plus also something much worse which is not possible to translate into english. There were threats to beat up and kill the pusher who was also called a non-human *******.

      There was some anger directed at the police for letting the pusher pass through the cordon. It seems that the immediate of the crowd was definitely against the pusher. They certainly did not see any fun in it.

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      • Profile picture of the author arcdigital
        Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

        After the incident, the mood of the crowd got ugly.

        I can hear lots of expletives from the crowd such as "F@#@ Your Mother's Smelly C#$@ plus also something much worse which is not possible to translate into english. There were threats to beat up and kill the pusher who was also called a non-human *******.

        There was some anger directed at the police for letting the pusher pass through the cordon. It seems that the immediate of the crowd was definitely against the pusher. They certainly did not see any fun in it.

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        That's even funnier! "not possible to translate into english"...I can only imagine
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  • Profile picture of the author ATV
    I think this story is great. Perhaps it will teach a lesson to some folks.

    At least it didn't happen here as then the jumper would def be suing and most likely winning
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  • Profile picture of the author FudEnterprises
    While i can understand frustration. Being able to control your own emotions and actions is what keeps this a safer world.

    I do not think people are really seeing themselves in a higher prospective or else people would care what this guy was going through and not how it was inconveniencing them.

    This was an evil act and nobody should condone it. Imagine that was somebody you cared greatly for.

    I don't mean to lecture i'm certainly no saint but our world is changing and i will do my best to make it a positive change.

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  • Profile picture of the author Christie Love
    Wow, that's awful. But... what did the guy expect. He couldn't finish the job, so someone else helped him do it. I hope the jumper wasn't upset at the shover, in any way.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrgaryb
    I've had enough of this crap!
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    If you look at the video again, the actual jump was much more dangerous than it sounded. The jumper was flipped backwards so that he hit the inflatable cushion at the edge. That was the main reason why he sustained some injury. Clearly the emergency services had anticipated a forward jump.

    The crowd clearly did not think that was funny and the older person needed to be arrested for his own safety. The crowd was already throwing all sorts of projectiles at the older man as he was arrested. If this incident had happened in any other country, I would have expected the end result would be the same i.e. the pusher be arrested and possibly charged for bodily harm
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  • Profile picture of the author sox123
    if your going to jump for the reasons you see to be the right reasons then you will just do it, with or without a small think about it, but if you don't then you either are having second toughts or are looking for the attention.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jagged
    When I first moved to NYC 20 somthing years ago...one of the first days there, I walked out of a restaurant & saw a crowd the next block down. Some poor sole out on the ledge of the 10th floor....everyone on the ground yelling "JUMP".

    I was in awe at the uncaring nerve of these people...

    Fast forward 15 years....I'm stuck in traffic for over 2 hrs...some moron "jumper" 2 block ahead has the streets in knots with all the emergency vehicles...I'm late for an appointment...it's 95 deg, humid as hell & my engines starting to over heat...on top of that I gotta PEE!!

    I thought back to the first jumper years ago.....now understanding why they were all yelling JUMP....it was to end the situation...so everyone can get on with their business & not have some coward screw-up their day.
    NYC truly does run on the perverbial "NY minute"...anything or anybody that interfers with that.....NO MERCY!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Star69
    I can't believe mrgaryb dragged this one out of the archives...must've had to blow an inch of dust off of it.
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    holy cow right now, interesting story.
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