When is the government going to stop Google?

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I'm all for capitalism and monopoly. I don't see why the government should step in and stop big corporations from getting too much power. But the fact of the matter is, they are and have done so for more than 100 years.

I think Google is very much like Standard Oil was back in the late 1800's and early 1900's. What happened to Standard Oil? Government split it up and ruined it.

When will this happen to Google? Will it ever happen?

If you look at what Google is doing...they buy up a new company almost every week...they make up a bunch of ridiculous rules that everyone must follow etc.
They're basically taking complete control over the internet. More so every day that passes. And if you think the internet is big now, just wait and see how it's going to be even bigger in the years to come.
  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    I totally agree - and in this case they are absolute fascists.

    For example - they don't like affiliate marketing programs - they make life difficult for them including excluding them from Adwords/Adsense etc quite often - that's ok that's their business there. But their people will also tell new customers - you will never make money with that - best to get out - is OVER-STEPPING.

    However they also do not like anything that says 'make money' and feel that just this statement makes them suspect for phishing, malware and scams - so they just arbitrarily interject their crap wherever they feel like it. This has to have a negative affect on legitimate businesses. I am not saying their are no scams in the niche, but for Google to take this approach - who died and made them God?

    ... or how about the day nobody could get into the Warrior forum because out of 1000000000000000 links here they found 2 or 3 that were infected. Great to let everybody know - but to shut out customers was a little bit overkill.

    Yeah they are way over-stepping - I could go on with other fascist imperialist strategies they have used but I better stop now.

    ... and to think I used to want Google Breakfast Cereal because I figured that was the only 'niche' they hadn't covered. I would even have worn the Tony Tiger Tee Shirt.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by svedski View Post

    I'm all for capitalism and monopoly. I don't see why the government should step in and stop big corporations from getting too much power. But the fact of the matter is, they are and have done so for more than 100 years.
    Corporations have been known to lie/cheat/steal, and even risk bankruptcy to hurt an entire industry so they could take it over. So they created the sherman anti trust act.

    It is sad, but needed. They used it against standard oil, AT&T, several media companies, some transportation companies, etc.... HECK, they used it against network solutions to allow companies like godaddy to exist. TODAY, the companies are merging BACK!

    I think Google is very much like Standard Oil was back in the late 1800's and early 1900's. What happened to Standard Oil? Government split it up and ruined it.
    Google is kind of getting there AND, ironically, NOT for necessarily for searches! ANDROID is INCREDIBLY popular! It practically took over the phone industry, and tablet industry, and may have like 50% of the microcontroller market. And they have a LOT of advertising and tracking. The ALSO want to take over the microcomputer market.

    When will this happen to Google? Will it ever happen?

    If you look at what Google is doing...they buy up a new company almost every week...they make up a bunch of ridiculous rules that everyone must follow etc.
    They're basically taking complete control over the internet. More so every day that passes. And if you think the internet is big now, just wait and see how it's going to be even bigger in the years to come.
    WHO KNOWS?

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    • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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      This was an interesting recent article . . .

      Google: World domination starts today
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Originally Posted by Horny Devil View Post

        This was an interesting recent article . . .

        Google: World domination starts today
        It was indeed! I didn't have a clue as to how far Google's tentacles actually reached.

        Having branches of businesses that are less than mediocre bringing you millions is quite an accomplishment! (As much as I hate to have to say it in regards to Google, I must.)


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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

          It was indeed! I didn't have a clue as to how far Google's tentacles actually reached.

          Having branches of businesses that are less than mediocre bringing you millions is quite an accomplishment! (As much as I hate to have to say it in regards to Google, I must.)


          Terra
          Yeah, when it had the IPO, I thought WHAT THE.... After seeing the tracking that I should have seen coming, I thought OK. and then ANDROID HIT! The interesting thing is that people could have modified LINUX! APPARENTLY, LINUX is going to be used in the CAR INDUSTRY for consoles. But people are just opting for ANDROID and giving them more income/potential.

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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Corporations have been known to lie/cheat/steal, and even risk bankruptcy to hurt an entire industry so they could take it over. So they created the sherman anti trust act.

      It is sad, but needed. They used it against standard oil, AT&T, several media companies, some transportation companies, etc.... HECK, they used it against network solutions to allow companies like godaddy to exist. TODAY, the companies are merging BACK!

      I worked at US West AT doing research for business cases back right after the Green decision. It was pretty intense in that place back then. ISDN and X-windows were the main two that I remember. It's where I really learned about fascism. I took political science philosophy, social science, and logic, in school and on an intellectual level I understood it.........but I was never really able to internalize it until I worked for.............the phone company.

      Google is kind of getting there AND, ironically, NOT for necessarily for searches! ANDROID is INCREDIBLY popular! It practically took over the phone industry, and tablet industry, and may have like 50% of the microcontroller market. And they have a LOT of advertising and tracking. The ALSO want to take over the microcomputer market.



      WHO KNOWS?

      You better know. Google is making good money being able to furnish the NSA with your online data. Whatdya suppose they'd pay google to search data for them for? I've almost handed Google a resume for data analyst. Just can't be on that side of a war when/if one breaks out.

      I remember something about Google and China from just a few years back.........


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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        required 10 characters. No genre specified:
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        Well, the 10 character limit was obviously to prevent the comment spam that used to be pretty common. YOU had a problem because you didn't properly quote your response.

        I worked at US West AT doing research for business cases back right after the Green decision. It was pretty intense in that place back then. ISDN and X-windows were the main two that I remember. It's where I really learned about fascism. I took political science philosophy, social science, and logic, in school and on an intellectual level I understood it.........but I was never really able to internalize it until I worked for.............the phone company.
        This is hard to follow! By GREEN decision, are you talking about the 1968 integration case "Green v. School Board of New Kent County"? ISDN, as I know it, is a 64KB/128KB digital transmission protocol. To the best of my knowledge, that happened in the 1990s. X-Windows was a M/S windows like GUI environment for UNIX/LINUX that was created by MIT(IIRC) around 1985 or so.

        But YEAH, the phone company must follow a LOT of regulations, has FUNNY accounting, and works closely with the government on some things. ALSO, things like tracing calls went from things that could take a LONG time and were mechanical, to effectively computers in their own right that have almost instant tracing today. I have worked at several phone companies in IT.

        You better know. Google is making good money being able to furnish the NSA with your online data. Whatdya suppose they'd pay google to search data for them for? I've almost handed Google a resume for data analyst. Just can't be on that side of a war when/if one breaks out.

        I remember something about Google and China from just a few years back.........
        Oh yeah,I KNOW! I even have a friend in law enforcement and communications that used to be in the military, and HE has told me some stories about that!

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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Their current race with facebook to collect info on everyone really sucks in my personal opinion. I sincerely hope that in the near future we can come up with a way to outlaw this type of info grab, and possibly force them to cough up their databases of our personal info.
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    • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      Their current race with facebook to collect info on everyone really sucks in my personal opinion. I sincerely hope that in the near future we can come up with a way to outlaw this type of info grab, and possibly force them to cough up their databases of our personal info.
      It may suck, but it's the suckers who willingly splatter their personal and private information to all and sundry on sites like Facebook who serve only to encourage greater intrusion into our lives by these behemoths.

      Putting your name, age, location, occupation, what car you drive, are all one thing. Telling the world when you're going on holiday, what school your children attend and posting a myriad of pictures of them, is quite another. WTF is all that about? I seriously worry about the mentality of the majority of Homo sapiens.
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by Horny Devil View Post

        It may suck, but it's the suckers who willingly splatter their personal and private information to all and sundry on sites like Facebook who serve only to encourage greater intrusion into our lives by these behemoths.

        Putting your name, age, location, occupation, what car you drive, are all one thing. Telling the world when you're going on holiday, what school your children attend and posting a myriad of pictures of them, is quite another. WTF is all that about? I seriously worry about the mentality of the majority of Homo sapiens.
        You don't have to be a "sucker" for them to get your information. People will tag your kids in their school images - that's how they'll get that info without ever asking you. Your friends will send you requests to your email to become your friend - that's how they'll get your email info. Your friends or family will enter your name, phone-number, address, school - all in an attempt to find you - boom - they have all of your info.... SUCKER... Yep YOU are the sucker for not stopping them.

        People are naive to think that they are only collecting information you willingly provide.

        edit - also I'm not sure if you've noticed, but most smart phones now have google+ and facebook already connected to your contact list. Anyone with a smart-phone that puts your info into their contact list and doesn't disable it with facebook or google-plus will automatically be sharing your personal information with google and facebook.
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        • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          You don't have to be a "sucker" for them to get your information. People will tag your kids in their school images - that's how they'll get that info without ever asking you. Your friends will send you requests to your email to become your friend - that's how they'll get your email info. Your friends or family will enter your name, phone-number, address, school - all in an attempt to find you - boom - they have all of your info.... SUCKER... Yep YOU are the sucker for not stopping them.

          People are naive to think that they are only collecting information you willingly provide.

          edit - also I'm not sure if you've noticed, but most smart phones now have google+ and facebook already connected to your contact list. Anyone with a smart-phone that puts your info into their contact list and doesn't disable it with facebook or google-plus will automatically be sharing your personal information with google and facebook.
          I don't have a smart-phone and I don't have or use a Facebook account. You're the sucker for making collective assumptions, although I will admit you're somewhat an expert at . . .


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          • Profile picture of the author garyv
            Originally Posted by Horny Devil View Post

            I don't have a smart-phone and I don't have or use a Facebook account. You're the sucker for making collective assumptions, although I will admit you're somewhat an expert at . . .


            You don't have to own a smart-phone or have a facebook account. That was my whole point. Others that have ever known you in your life will do searches for you, and in the process of doing a search will hand over to facebook everything they know about you. And you don't have to have a smart-phone, someone else w/ a smartphone that has you in their contact list is most likely sharing it w/ google and facebook without even knowing it.

            Your info is most likely already in facebooks database whether you know it and like it or not.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          You don't have to be a "sucker" for them to get your information. People will tag your kids in their school images - that's how they'll get that info without ever asking you. Your friends will send you requests to your email to become your friend - that's how they'll get your email info. Your friends or family will enter your name, phone-number, address, school - all in an attempt to find you - boom - they have all of your info.... SUCKER... Yep YOU are the sucker for not stopping them.

          People are naive to think that they are only collecting information you willingly provide.

          edit - also I'm not sure if you've noticed, but most smart phones now have google+ and facebook already connected to your contact list. Anyone with a smart-phone that puts your info into their contact list and doesn't disable it with facebook or google-plus will automatically be sharing your personal information with google and facebook.
          Google is SO big that THEY can track a lot of phones! THEY track homes. THEY have a search engine used directly by many other search engines. THEY have advertising agents that are placed EVERYWHERE! So a person can visit a site that uses another for logins that has an advertiser that uses a google service, and they COULD track you.

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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Yep, a lot of newbies, (that don't break a rule and get their accounts suspended) are leaving Adwords!

      Usually after realizing that the kw costs are sky high.


      Google offering $100 freebies doesn't' really help, much!


      And having to aviod make money products, and spend a week sifting through a truckload of rules, really doesn't help their cause!


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  • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
    Google who? Oh yeah, that's were I used to get my traffic from but haven't had to rely on them for a few years now.

    I get my traffic from better sources and as far as them getting to big, who cares.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Consensus seems to be that capitalism is great - unless it's a business you no longer like or that is too big - or doesn't have cheap ads - or keeps the personal info you willingly provide?

      So - Google is too big and too successful and too invasive - and the answer is to have government cut it up? Because we know govt isn't too big and too invasive, don't we?

      When the govt broke up AT&T people lost jobs - others had to take early retirement. The story was that prices would go down - but the phone bills went way up instead. Now AT&T is back to what it was because govt decided THAT was best after all.

      Be careful what you wish for.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Consensus seems to be that capitalism is great - unless it's a business you no longer like or that is too big - or doesn't have cheap ads - or keeps the personal info you willingly provide?

        So - Google is too big and too successful and too invasive - and the answer is to have government cut it up? Because we know govt isn't too big and too invasive, don't we?

        When the govt broke up AT&T people lost jobs - others had to take early retirement. The story was that prices would go down - but the phone bills went way up instead. Now AT&T is back to what it was because govt decided THAT was best after all.

        Be careful what you wish for.
        Well, prices likely didn't go up SOLELY because of the breakup! I always said that the breakup of some thngs, like AT&T just wasn't possible. Network solutions is STILL a monopoly, even if it appears not to be, as they split the fee structure. he fee they were charging was INCREDIBLY high, so they lowered it, and they charged a lower price to others, who had to pay a HUGE fee to get started. Of course, the government added TAXES!

        Coincidently, about the same time network solutions did THAT, I worked on the actual system they set up with AT&T! MOST companies are actually RESELLERS, called CLECS, The others apparently are ILECS that own a piece of the local wired infrastructure. Of course, the government added TAXES!

        The cellular network was built through the FCC regulating it and then having a LOTTERY to sell off areas to build towers. The winner of a lottery had the ability to have an exclusive territory for a given cellphone technology. Of course, to enter the lottery, you needed a COMPLETE business plan of sorts, a huge amount of cash, and the ability to get it done. The company was either a telephone company that used it for their customers, or lower end investors that was paid by a phone company. Of course, the government added TAXES!

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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    yes too true, but i don't know - giggle is enforcing their own 'government' and i don't remember voting for it - true you knew 'if it is too good to be true it probably is' - so that this, the 'wild frontier'

    (.www. = world wild web) would stay OPEN AND FREE FOREVER - i guess it's been 'acquired' and somehow monopolized -o- i do believe it needs policing but being judge jury and executioner is a little excessive -

    I do believe they over-step - they took their power and are abusing it - and abusing innocent people caught up in their web of perceived and real dirty deeds.

    but not saying have the govt split it up - they just need to back off.

    "you can syndicate any place that you are" (beatles)





    p.s. in spite of that I feel Chrome is the only decent browser and i never go to any other search engine. They are excellent - the others are gnarly - i also never use any email besides gMail. So I wouldn't want anything to change any of that.

    But gestapos, noooooo.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    If you don't like something, don't use it.

    Your making a simple thing into something complicated that you have to think about.
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    • Profile picture of the author MoneyKattz
      I don't agree if Google is buying up a new business as often as was said here then it is not something you can just boycott unless you stop going online and just watch tv all day.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Originally Posted by svedski View Post

    I'm all for capitalism and monopoly. I don't see why the government should step in and stop big corporations from getting too much power. But the fact of the matter is, they are and have done so for more than 100 years.

    I think Google is very much like Standard Oil was back in the late 1800's and early 1900's. What happened to Standard Oil? Government split it up and ruined it.

    When will this happen to Google? Will it ever happen?

    If you look at what Google is doing...they buy up a new company almost every week...they make up a bunch of ridiculous rules that everyone must follow etc.
    They're basically taking complete control over the internet. More so every day that passes. And if you think the internet is big now, just wait and see how it's going to be even bigger in the years to come.

    Do they really have a stranglehold on the economy or something like that?

    I don't see the need for the federallies to get involved in the way the OP is suggesting.

    Where are all the lawsuits like those against Microsoft?

    Oh never mind, I just did a google search....
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
    Originally Posted by svedski View Post

    I'm all for capitalism and monopoly. I don't see why the government should step in and stop big corporations from getting too much power. But the fact of the matter is, they are and have done so for more than 100 years.

    I think Google is very much like Standard Oil was back in the late 1800's and early 1900's. What happened to Standard Oil? Government split it up and ruined it.

    When will this happen to Google? Will it ever happen?

    If you look at what Google is doing...they buy up a new company almost every week...they make up a bunch of ridiculous rules that everyone must follow etc.
    They're basically taking complete control over the internet. More so every day that passes. And if you think the internet is big now, just wait and see how it's going to be even bigger in the years to come.
    It was only yesterday I too was mulling this over and this is the conclusion I came to.

    We can only hope that Google will take it upon themselves one day to buy out Facebook (if that should ever become a possibility) and they can implement their famed development tactics to make it ugly, unusable and unstable true to everything else they lay their mitts upon.

    They will then bring down themselves with the move in terms of finance and reputation and they will bring down Facebook, paving the way for viable competitors in both avenues.

    2 birds one stone resulting in a less monotonous and dogmatic Internet.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Oh come on. Everyone yells "capitalism" -- then wants the GOV to step in when our GOV is so damned fascist that it's hard to tell where the corporations and gov split from each other.

    Government is NOT going to stop a corporation. You want Corporations stopped - the PEOPLE do that. Corporations only survive when they have customers. When enough people are sick to death of Google, they will stop being Google customers and when enough agree they have had it - then Google has to stop whatever it is they are not making money from anymore.

    Don't like Google - don' use it. If enough feel like you do, you win. One of the reasons Google is so damned powerful is the corporate alignment WITH the gov, so they aren't going to do a damned thing but get stronger and get into YOUR face. We have to stop corporations ourselves. Don't use Google. If you want a product - search it on another engine and click the ads on other engines instead of google. You make the choice of where advertisers put their money, too. Take the money out of Google's pocket and the gov will lose interest in them, too. Right now the spy capability via google is so strong that they aren't about to do anything to decrease its power.

    People have much more control than they seem to realize. Wake up. Calling for more Gov control every damned time there is a problem is why we have Gov trying to take over every damned minute of our day and every cent in our pocket. Time for people to get a clue about their power and start using it wisely. Google is strong because YOU are giving them the power, not because a gov or two are giving it to them.
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    • Profile picture of the author svedski
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Oh come on. Everyone yells "capitalism" -- then wants the GOV to step in when our GOV is so damned fascist that it's hard to tell where the corporations and gov split from each other.

      Government is NOT going to stop a corporation. You want Corporations stopped - the PEOPLE do that. Corporations only survive when they have customers. When enough people are sick to death of Google, they will stop being Google customers and when enough agree they have had it - then Google has to stop whatever it is they are not making money from anymore.

      Don't like Google - don' use it. If enough feel like you do, you win. One of the reasons Google is so damned powerful is the corporate alignment WITH the gov, so they aren't going to do a damned thing but get stronger and get into YOUR face. We have to stop corporations ourselves. Don't use Google. If you want a product - search it on another engine and click the ads on other engines instead of google. You make the choice of where advertisers put their money, too. Take the money out of Google's pocket and the gov will lose interest in them, too. Right now the spy capability via google is so strong that they aren't about to do anything to decrease its power.

      People have much more control than they seem to realize. Wake up. Calling for more Gov control every damned time there is a problem is why we have Gov trying to take over every damned minute of our day and every cent in our pocket. Time for people to get a clue about their power and start using it wisely. Google is strong because YOU are giving them the power, not because a gov or two are giving it to them.
      What are you talking about? Nobody here says that google SHOULD be stopped.

      What I said was that if you look at history all big corporations have been split up when they've gotten too big.

      The question was just when (or if) it would happen to Google.

      I mean...Microsoft had to pay billions in fines a couple of years ago because Internet Explorer was "too big" and they hindered competitors from breaking into the market.

      This is nothing new.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by svedski View Post

        What are you talking about? Nobody here says that google SHOULD be stopped.

        What I said was that if you look at history all big corporations have been split up when they've gotten too big.

        The question was just when (or if) it would happen to Google.

        I mean...Microsoft had to pay billions in fines a couple of years ago because Internet Explorer was "too big" and they hindered competitors from breaking into the market.

        This is nothing new.
        ALSO, and I believe it was BEFORE that, the government DEMANDED that microsoft NOT tell microsoft what they were doing, UNTIL they made the information ******PUBLIC*****! SERIOUSLY!!!!!! Microsoft was to split up the company so one side worked on the O/S, or environments, like WINDOWS, and the OTHER side worked on OTHER things, like WORD or VB! Did they ever do that?

        They were ALSO SUED, AND LOST, for VIOLATING A LICENSE!!!!!!!!! What was the VIOLATION? It was a SHOCKER! The license said that changes that changed the functionality of the product were FORBIDDEN unless the differences were DETAILED and showed the COMPATIBLITY! Of course THIS sut was DIFFERENT! It was brought by a SPECIFIC third party, SUN! Microsoft "honored" THAT by DROPPING THE PRODUCT(J++)! They decided to COMPETE by providing C#!

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  • Profile picture of the author trader909
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    Agreed they are operating a monopoly...if they weren't U.S....it would have been done by no
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  • Profile picture of the author mmorgan3415
    What do you mean "When is the government going to stop Google"? Google sends all your information and search queries straight to the NSA. So I really doubt that the Government will stop Google anytime soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ricardo Furtado
    Do not forget that once there was a clownish looking man with a weird mustache who tried to rule the world. He lost! It took time for it to happen, but it did!
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Ricardo Furtado View Post

      Do not forget that once there was a clownish looking man with a weird mustache who tried to rule the world. He lost! It took time for it to happen, but it did!
      I don't know WHICH one you are talking about. There have been a LOT of men that did that, and many were ones that people might call clownish, and some DID have mustaches. If you are talking about hitler, look how far he got! The idea that such a relatively TINY country got so far was ASTOUNDING. Most of the others at least ran larger countries.

      And the US got in mainly because of a fluke(I mean they were SO worried about submarines, and could only think of ONE harbor that was so safe!?!?!?!?), and a sucker punch by one of his allies.

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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Ricardo Furtado View Post

        Sure he got far, but where is he now? And how do people think of him?
        I was just talking about the delay and governments lack of action. Not lauding him. Yeah, he is perhaps the most hated person in the 20th century. He was unstable and ALWAYS used others to further his goals, so he committed suicide.

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  • Profile picture of the author Unity96387
    It is up to all of us to use Bing instead of Google and break the back of the monopoly.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    LOL - Yeah, I forgot about the 10 character on posts quoted inside the quote. I'm techno-challenged as hell, but not flat- lined. I was attempting a little humor. Obviously, I achieved very little. :rolleyes:

    The business cases for the ISDN and X-windows were being developed in 87. Everyone was very excited about the X-windows. I didn't understand what they were - I just did linguistic research on them and the person I handed the data to was thrilled and couldn't understand how you can research stuff you don't know anything about. LMAO. All I remember about the ISDN was that it was a global cable of some sort.

    The Green decision was the whole divestiture of the phone company. Really changed communications systems. I think it coincided with the beginning of Internet somehow. I'm not sure if it was first launched from phone companies or other companies but got it's start about right in that frame of time.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      LOL - Yeah, I forgot about the 10 character on posts quoted inside the quote. I'm techno-challenged as hell, but not flat- lined. I was attempting a little humor. Obviously, I achieved very little. :rolleyes:
      SORRY, just trying to help.

      The business cases for the ISDN and X-windows were being developed in 87. Everyone was very excited about the X-windows. I didn't understand what they were - I just did linguistic research on them and the person I handed the data to was thrilled and couldn't understand how you can research stuff you don't know anything about. LMAO. All I remember about the ISDN was that it was a global cable of some sort.
      YEAH, ISDN was the first only moderately expensive special HIGH SPEED MODEM line. Prior to that, I think maybe 33Kbaud was as fast as you could go without getting a VERY expensive T1 line. You had a choice of ONE circuit(at 64K), or TWO that could be transparently combined for 128K. I imagine it DID require more cable. The price of T1s dropped, and they were expandable, so I don't think ISDN lasted that long. NOW, we have DSL which may just be a repackaged T line!

      WOW! I just looked at wikipedia! It says verizon stopped taking orders for ISDN *****THIS YEAR*****! INCREDIBLE! Oh well, I guess it CAN go farther than T/DSL lines. With T/DSL lines, you DO have to be relatively close to a switch. ISDN is probably like a normal telephone line, and not subject to such limitations. That DOES limit speed though.

      ISDN and, Xwindows(though a bit later) DID quickly become popular, and had books in the store, but researching wasn't as easy as it is today!

      The Green decision was the whole divestiture of the phone company. Really changed communications systems. I think it coincided with the beginning of Internet somehow. I'm not sure if it was first launched from phone companies or other companies but got it's start about right in that frame of time.
      Yeah, I figured you meant something like that, but things seemed a bit disjointed, so I didn't know. WOW, the US Supreme court heard at LEAST 3 cases with some variant of green!!!! One dealt with forced integration. One dealt with delays that violated a person's right to go to court. One dealt with the phone monopoly!

      Steve
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    ISDN and, Xwindows(though a bit later) DID quickly become popular, and had books in the store, but researching wasn't as easy as it is today!
    Oh jeez, tell me about it.

    Of course, hunting down whether a source is actually credible or not takes some work. Other than that, I can find in a few minutes what used to take me days in libraries, prospectuses, interview, etc. It gets easier once you know who you can trust for credible info (which isn't always the sites that mainstream thinks they are).

    I still do some old school research here and there. It takes time but sometimes it takes textbook knowledge of a subject before you can really piece together the "factoid" nature of the info you get online or in individual theses.

    People go nuts on me on facebook because I'll "share" info shared on my wall without doing proper investigation first. Fact is - I'm not always concerned about the validity when I post - sometimes I'm just looking for the opinions on the subject matter thrown out.........engaging in light conversation, per say. People don't like it when you do that nowdays. LMAO.
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  • Profile picture of the author J50
    Google doesn't control anything important, and can't hold an economy to ransom. Simple put, if you built an entire business around Google then more fool you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Magicalidea
    Could you tell me why governments should do that when we people can do ourselves ?
    Just a "Search company". Rules ? What rules ? when you are trying to be famous and earn each dollar by internet marketing by "cooperate" with them, you push them forward one step
    Just control your habbit and you can change your future. Think about my words
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  • Profile picture of the author mojoogden
    Well, if google starts feeding cheese burgers to our kids I'm sure Michelle Obhama will step in! I'm just saying!
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    It is probably in one's interests to be on friendly terms with Google. Just the other day I was chatting with Chuck. Chuck Google, the founder of Google and...
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    • Profile picture of the author mojoogden
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      It is probably in one's interests to be on friendly terms with Google. Just the other day I was chatting with Chuck. Chuck Google, the founder of Google and...

      Love it!!!! You never know do you, because it's such a small world!! This made me smile! Thank you. Absolute power will corrupt Absolutely. But the true question is who isn't corrupt!
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  • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
    I'm an Atheist .. I don't believe in Google.
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