New Warrior in Training

Thanks for the warm greeting and I appreciate your frankness regarding the War Room. I had an idea that it might not be all that it's hype would lead you to believe.

So far as for what I'm looking for... I guess I'm really not exactly sure. I've read so much on all aspects of Internet marketing, but just spending a few weeks with this guy I work for has shown me all sorts of new angles I didn't even know existed.

One of these angles is automation... that is... finding a task that people find themselves doing online over and over and automating it. I have access to software that enables me to easily create bots for such things, but I don't know what I could use it for yet... I'd like to make some sort of bot that others would find useful enough to pay $20 or $30 dollars for and market that.

I'm also wishing I had made this introduction in the Internet marketing forum as it doesn't seem to be getting much notice here... ah well... live and learn. I've only just begun to dig around this place to see what it has to offer.

I found an interesting thread about what to do when your desperate for cash last night after posting and after reading a few posts in that thread I came across an idea for an Room that I immediately started writing up. I got about 1500 words deep before I passed out but I'm eager to get back to it here shortly.

I think my problem is knowledge overload... it's like... well... like right after Halloween when you have all that candy and you have to choose what to eat first. You end up eating one of everything and pretty soon you're all bloated and groaning and kicking yer self in the arse.

My phone is about to die so I got a cut this short to go charge it... A little more about me...

I'm the atypical computer geek... you'd never know it to look at me but I'd rather be reading a book and learning something knew I can market than out partying with friends. Computers have always been an interest and since I could never get one as a kid I guess I went hog wild as an adult after I got one. As soon as I learn a new trick I'm soon after talking to folk and trying to sell my skills. Painting... drywall... tile... I've tried my hand at many trades and sold my own fair share of jobs. I sold my first tile job after helping my Uncle out and learning the basics. I talked to a lady at 7-11 and she mentioned wanting to get her kitchen tiled so I gave here a fair market price and sold the job. I immediately went to a Home Improvement store and got a flier telling me about the few things I needed to know but didn't. I did the job and ended up building the lady two closets and more...

I'm a hustler but over the last year or two I've kinda lost everything and run through my savings. I'm at square 1 and trying to change my focus from the blue collar trades to the white collar world. One thing I don't much like is selling myself as a Web designer. It's annoying as hell. People want the world for a dollar and I can have a perfectly good looking thought out design shot to he'll by some guy that wants an animated gift of a flashy star on the page... bugs the cap out of me dealing with those clients.


Anyway... I'm down to 10%... gotta run. Thanks again for the reply and I hope to hear more.

Git'r'dun!

(Edit: I'm checking out your blogs and you've got some great tips... thanks for replying again... I found a little more direction just from a few of your posts)

Spamming links in comments doesn't work; that's true. However, it doesn't do any harm to leave a link in a post that's topically relevant to whatever you're linking to. Personally, I wouldn't spend more than 30 minutes a week searching for such posts, though.

The one other significant thing that the War Room offers is that you can pick up a great many WSOs for free, and without being forced onto anyone's opt-in list. True, most WSOs are crap, but some are interesting or even useful.

One thing you might want to consider is getting a Google Adwords certification. Coupled with experience working for someone else in Internet marketing, you could probably hang your own shingle before too long.

Good luck.

Thanks for the advise, you are probably the first person l have come across here, that explained the whole thing in detail! :p

I always thought that l needed some top secret trick to get it kicking, but l guess a toy and game inventing site is just a dud niche? But l always hang onto it, since l could add computer games into it, etc. And l do have Adsence on there, eventhough $3 a month isn't really life changing! :rolleyes:


As for Graphicriver, phew, big subject, but l will do my best.

When l first started l created a filter for a graphics program, (overscreen colors, etc) but they wanted me to improve it, so l had to overhaul it, (only way to fix it) and they binned it!

Then moved into mobile phone 3D designs, and spend up to 6 weeks doing a huge 3D render of iphones from 3 angles, ect. And they binned that as well.

The laptop almost became airborne that day! :rolleyes:

But l dusted my ego off, and tried again, then finally succeeded with a flat design!

So far l have done 2 of these products, and they have both sold, but it takes a lot of effort to create, and doesn't make much!

I have also done a Facebook Fanpage graphic, but as said before a lot of work and not much back!


The area l would recomend for maximum profits, and relatively quick creation is Flyers!

Or posters, most of the most successful people on this site, do flyers, for Beach partys, etc.


Usually the amount of effort required to do these wouldn't make them any more viable than the other things l tried, but there is a trick!

If you Google photo sites, and run through their terms, or copyright conditions, you will usually find that they allow up to 250,000 sales by third party buyers!

There are several sites around, but l like Shutterstock!


Just go there figure out a suitable design, then buy the elements done by other artists!

So l might go there, spend $50 get 5 images, coconut, palm tree, etc, and put it all together.

I am currently scaling up to $250 which will give me 750 designs!

Eventhough the initial design bombed using this method, with the $50 level, l have learned a lot and will take a calculated risk by scaling. I have seen designs a monkey could do, so l figure l will get it through!


Flyers, typically make $20 a month, but can make up to $150!

So if l do 2 to 3 flyers a month!!!! :rolleyes:


But as said before this isn't easy, and you need to be fanatically persistent to get it working!

And it would be good if you know Photoshop back the front, or other accepted graphics program, but you are your own boss, so it is up to you!


Also don't try to hard, because you will usually slip up, and get soft rejected. It takes time to get into the Moderators heads and understand what they want and allow!

Also try this little trick l use, which is to go to "most recent" when searching for the flyer niche you want to try, it will bring up the most recent ones that got through.

Evato does update their rules, and if you pick flyer, put it in the flyer Template niche category, or the mods will probably soft reject it , and tell you to resubmit.


I am almost through sorting, (which is a big job) and then just need to get it down to 750!

Then figure out what l need for the first few, and download them first, etc.


I have also seen some terrible Facebook fanpage graphics, (fuzzy image, etc) get accepted, and some actually sell?


It seems that if you come across as a professional or wanting to be, they will only accept the very best from you.


But if you come across as a newbie, that isn't that interested in making a career out of this, then they might slack off?

It is good they want the best from you, but putting everything you have into a project that gets binned isn't easy, but like anything in life once you reach 99 to 100 % competency, then you start to make decent money from this.

Top authors are making 20 -30 thousand a month with this, so l figure it is worth it. And since l am nuts about tropical stuff, and great at graphics, it will work out in the end!

Good luck, and let me know what you nichname is over there, so l can say hello!


Shane

Quite alright TJ, and to be honest the trick l use, is what most if not all the top authors over there, use, to save time and money and produce a professional design.

Certainly a lot easier to buy off the shelf than to find a graphics artist in the Philippines!


Other tips are, to not reinvent the wheel, l learned that one the last graphic l tried to get through, just do what everyone one else is doing, especially initially!

If you want to do a car design from different angles and sizes, while everyone else does it same size, then there is probably a good reason for it!

Try to use high quality background designs. Don't use a design created by someone else, as it may been seen as low quality, since its elements aren't realistic only simulated!


And Shutterstock does have women models on there as well, which fall under Shutterstock's Copyright rule allowances, (l contacted them to double check).

You have probably noticed most flyers have attractive women in the middle!

Another important tip when downloading a ton, is don't forget Silhouettes!

Those things are invaluable when burning or grading in background elements into your designs!

Download small elements as big as possible, as they will be standard size on a standard flyer size, and don't download highly complex designs, remember you will still have to clean up the edges, and some designs like water will drive you nuts trying to clean it up.


Ok, that will do, l will find your name over there and say hi, good luck!

And have fun! :p


Shane