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Zhunda

12 years ago

Reddy20 is right, to aliens we all are aliens.

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Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

The vast majority of the time you won't see anything out of the ordinary, but you might see something that stands out so much and is so different, that he or she may not be from around here!

Should aliens be esoteric you'd certainly fit the stereotype, Shane.

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12 years ago

This is news? Anyone who's drifted into the OT forum more than once or twice should already be aware of this one.

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tagiscom 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Horny Devil

Should aliens be esoteric you'd certainly fit the stereotype, Shane.

Hmmm, don't worry they can do things that would make our heads spin!

I may have to watch my back!!! He, he! :rolleyes:

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  Yes they do I have a hot date tonight with one of the tall Nordic Whites from Pleiades... yummy.
  
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Originally Posted by HeySal

This is news? Anyone who's drifted into the OT forum more than once or twice should already be aware of this one.

Sal I think we're all Bozos on this bus.

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12 years ago

The idea of "the prime directive" and a federation is NECESSARY if you have people from various planets that can easily move around. It is a GIVEN!

On planet earth, we SHOULD have followed the OBVIOUS prime directive. We DIDN'T! RESULT? LOOK at the mess! How many wars would have been LOCALIZED if things weren't promoted so? We wouldn't have MAD! But NOPE, people gave "freely". I put that in quotes because people people and their cultures PAID A LOT to make that info public. WILL the reactor in japan destroy the world? Will IRAN do that? STAY TUNED!!!!

That said, I never believed that idiot that claimed she was in constant contact with this federation, etc... THAT was DECADES go, and the first I heard of the guys that politician said are connected being connected.

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12 years ago

Aliens come all this way just to walk among us? Sounds boring. Why wouldn't they be swimming with dolphins or flying with eagles?

Humans really think we're it. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

Aliens come all this way just to walk among us? Sounds boring. Why wouldn't they be swimming with dolphins or flying with eagles?

Humans really think we're it. :rolleyes:

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Some slither. I know a few snake-eyed, reptilian looking aliens posing as human beings.

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Riptor 12 years ago

Such arrogance from the human race who think the universe was created just for them... unbelievable ...lol
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  Such arrogance from the human race who think the universe was created just for them... unbelievable ...lol
  
  What can you expect from a species that holds a Miss Universe contest, and then only fields contestants from Earth.
  
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  What can you expect from a species that holds a Miss Universe contest, and then only fields contestants from Earth.
  
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

There are at least four different species of humanoid. All evolved on completely separate planets, all with the same gravity, air pressure, oxygen content, weather, and they are our size, and speak English.

I believe it. Sold.

OK, devil's advocate time. Humanoid IS the most logical and reasonable type of creature to advance to such a degree. By the criteria, chimps and apes could be said to be HUMANOID! Two arms, two legs, can walk somewhat vertically, have dexterity.

Some were DEFINITELY different gravity! airpressure, oxygen and weather weren't really specified. They are NOT all our size! The greys tend to be short, and the "nordics" tend to be on the tall side. I didn't watch the video yet, but this is effectively established "FACT" in "ufology" history. SERIOUSLY! THIS is just normal HISTORY. The idea that they actually KNOW one another, are friendly to one another, and follow a common law in a federation is where that woman with the saturn whatever starts speaking about pleiades and the like.

WHY WOULDN'T they speak english? I mean ADVANCED? WATCHING US? ETC....! If I were them, I think English would be the language I would start with. AND, if I failed to make that distinction, the idea of atomic energy, the bomb, computers, etc.. would change it QUICKLY! This is NOT to say that it is their PRIMARY language. Many say it definitely ISN'T! Then again, who is to say there is a limit? You could do a LOT with a little knowledge. HUMANS rely much on habit, etc... Maybe THEY don't. That would mean they could accomplish more while knowing less.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

There are at least four different species of humanoid. All evolved on completely separate planets, all with the same gravity, air pressure, oxygen content, weather, and they are our size, and speak English.

I believe it. Sold.

Noo we only attract the aliens that are the right proportions to function in our gravity and blend in, breathe oxygen/tolerate our air pressure etc.. Imagine dinosaur sized ones, would not work. Even if they wore clothes they would stick out like a sore thumb. As for learning English, learned, implant or Rosetta Stone. Not really a problem for super advanced beings.

On a more serious note, we observe big planets in our own solar system and others like gas giants and see their is no life or possibility of it (so far ). If Jupiter was a solid body with an atmosphere in the habitable zone things there would be proportionately super sized, plants, and animals. They would have to be and made of strong stuff too otherwise the gravity of the planet would crush them. Crushed by their own weight. So, I don't think mega sized planets are conducive to life.

If we look at our own solar system we see the Earth and possibly Mars as the most likely places to harbour life, Earth does and Mars may have in the past and may have some still. Some of the big Gas giant moons like Europa may, and guess what, they are Earth sized.

Interesting, Earth sized planets, Mars is smaller of course. The only ones supporting life or the possibility of it in our solar system. No reason not to look at our Solar System as a microcosm of the rest of the Universe. We have not detected any really different elements in the universe other than what is present here, therefore we see that life seems to require certain things to function, sunlight, heat and water, gases like oxygen and many other things, not too hot, not to cold. Apart from the possibility of silicone based life there does not appear to be anything else but biological possibilities which would indicate it needs similar conditions as here to flourish.

So move on to what these beings would be like and require for sustenance in the way of food, air pressure, oxygen/gases etc.

They would be of a certain sized given that they are coming from earth sized planets, so comparable to us. An Earth sized planet would be unlikely to support 8 billion aliens the size of a dinosaur. The question of a bipedal alien like us is of course is open to question. They don't have to look like us at all. However, some may.

I could go on with this but here's the bottom line. An advanced race or several for that matter who have learned the secrets of folding space, moving effortlessly about the cosmos is not going to want to land on a gas giant or a planet that cannot support them. They would only want a planet that meets their requirements. Just like if we were able to explore, we would be looking for Earth like planets we could live on.

I think the universe is so vast that there are many advanced races out there, some that look like us and require similar living conditions. And some who visit and mingle.
Are we alone in the universe, highly unlikely.

So, at the very least, its a possibility.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

Aliens come all this way just to walk among us? Sounds boring. Why wouldn't they be swimming with dolphins or flying with eagles?
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Frank, I'm surprised you don't know this . . . aliens are harvesting us for their zoos so they have to walk among us. Everybody know this. :rolleyes:

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WHY WOULDN'T they speak english?

I've been listening to dogs bark for 58 years and I still can't figure out what they're saying. My best guess is they always say the same thing, "Look at me! Look at me!" I figure it's the same for aliens looking at us, they just can't figure out what we're saying. Heck, I can't even figure out what some people are saying half the time!

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If we look at our own solar system we see the Earth and possibly Mars as the most likely places to harbour life, Earth does and Mars may have in the past and may have some still. Some of the big Gas giant moons like Europa may, and guess what, they are Earth sized.

Wouldn't it be interesting to live on a "moon" of a giant planet. Part of the time you could see out into space, and part of the time you watch a big ol' wall of a planet roll past you.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I've been listening to dogs bark for 58 years and I still can't figure out what they're saying. My best guess is they always say the same thing, "Look at me! Look at me!" I figure it's the same for aliens looking at us, they just can't figure out what we're saying. Heck, I can't even figure out what some people are saying half the time!

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Well see - that's because you didn't buy my ebook Smart Beyond Obedience. People think it's to help them teach their dog to communicate with them - but it's actually something that Munchie told me and I transcribed it for him.........to teach dog's humans to understand them. Had you read that like you should have, since you are a dog owner, your dog would have you trained to understand his every word by now.

I think a guy I used to go with was an alien. Being from hell is like being from another planet, right?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Noo we only attract the aliens that are the right proportions to function in our gravity and blend in, breathe oxygen/tolerate our air pressure etc.. Imagine dinosaur sized ones, would not work. Even if they wore clothes they would stick out like a sore thumb. As for learning English, learned, implant or Rosetta Stone. Not really a problem for super advanced beings.

On a more serious note, we observe big planets in our own solar system and others like gas giants and see their is no life or possibility of it (so far ).

We have NEVER looked at anything so well that we could say we have looked. Not even the MOON. Besides, doing so would be impractical! I have looked for things for YEARS, and not found them until I moved. And THEN, I knew what I was looking for, and a lot about WHERE to look.

If Jupiter was a solid body with an atmosphere in the habitable zone things there would be proportionately super sized, plants, and animals.

REALLY? Why doesn't it work that way on earth? HECK, we have things smaller than a nanometer, and bigger than maybe 8 meters tall!

They would have to be and made of strong stuff too otherwise the gravity of the planet would crush them. Crushed by their own weight. So, I don't think mega sized planets are conducive to life.

AGAIN, have you LOOKED at the earth?

If we look at our own solar system we see the Earth and possibly Mars as the most likely places to harbour life, Earth does and Mars may have in the past and may have some still. Some of the big Gas giant moons like Europa may, and guess what, they are Earth sized.

Harbor life ****LIKE OURS****. Even on EARTH there is life that, by conventional standards SHOULD NOT EXIST! TOO HOT, TOO COLD, TOO ACIDIC, etc....

We have not detected any really different elements in the universe other than what is present here

AGAIN, WHO is to say? With harmonics, tolerance, ignorance, etc.... if we DID notice a difference in what a planet had, it wouldprobably be IGNORED!

So move on to what these beings would be like and require for sustenance in the way of food, air pressure, oxygen/gases etc.

FOOD is almost a given. I mean if life were created, in theory, it could be sustained. Who is to say "air" has to have ANY pressure? Again though, if it existed, the volume and forces keeping it down are bound to give it pressure. and who is to say it must be oxygen? It IS odd that people that believed all simply evolved and that the removal of various NECESSARY items created sometimes ELABORATE means to get them on EARTH are often the FIRST to say that such events could NEVER happen ELSEWHERE! Think about it! Doesn't oxygen seem to be a rather silly way to live? And AGAIN, some things on the EARTH will DIE with oxygen! HECK, apparently part of the ecology on earth REQUIRES life that thrives on NITROGEN!

They would be of a certain sized given that they are coming from earth sized planets, so comparable to us. An Earth sized planet would be unlikely to support 8 billion aliens the size of a dinosaur.

Have you looked at HUMANS? I mean there are seemingly capable ADULTS that are less than 2 feet, and bigger than 8!

The question of a bipedal alien like us is of course is open to question. They don't have to look like us at all. However, some may.

HumanOID creatures don't have to look human. Greys would be humanoid, but couldn't pass for human. At least life seen on earth seems to be pretty symmetrical, for the most part. So it is likely it is ELSEWHERE. Not CERTAIN, but likely. And it seems like something like the mammal standard(for format) would be the most viable. Could it be like a spider? SURE! But it would seem less likely. That DOES suggest bipedal. Because it would be more likely that they have two hands, and thereby two arms. WHY? Because more than one is often almost as important as an opposable thumb, besides, it goes with symmetry. And WHERE would you put other arms.

I could go on with this but here's the bottom line. An advanced race or several for that matter who have learned the secrets of folding space, moving effortlessly about the cosmos is not going to want to land on a gas giant or a planet that cannot support them. They would only want a planet that meets their requirements. Just like if we were able to explore, we would be looking for Earth like planets we could live on.

WAIT A SECOND! You are assuming that they can FOLD space and EFFORTLESSLY move about. which is something that we REALLY couldn't fathom how to do. You DON'T believe that such a race could create a means to travel WITH their environment, as we have done LONG ago? And WHO is to say that they are looking for a new home? I travel sometimes to odd places just to pass the time, or see how others live. Humans have KNOWINGLY risked their lives to do such things!

I think the universe is so vast that there are many advanced races out there, some that look like us and require similar living conditions. And some who visit and mingle.
Are we alone in the universe, highly unlikely.

So, at the very least, its a possibility.

EXACTLY!

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I could go on with this but here's the bottom line. An advanced race or several for that matter who have learned the secrets of folding space, moving effortlessly about the cosmos is not going to want to land on a gas giant or a planet that cannot support them. They would only want a planet that meets their requirements. Just like if we were able to explore, we would be looking for Earth like planets we could live on.

Unless Jupiter is habitable in higher dimensions!

If so, Jupiter could support a Trillion or so aliens that could pay us a visit!

Assuming that it is solid!

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Regarding the large planet life senario. In our solar system, given that it is a representative sample of the norm accross the universe, we see that the large planets like Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune and Uranus are gas giants. They have a small core and are surrounded by noxious gasses. Only the smaller solid rocky planets show signs that they could harbour intellegent life and have the materials available to build things like spacecraft.

All of the extra solar planets that have been detected around other stars that are large have been found to be gas giants. This adds some credence that life would have to be of a certain size range. however, lets say that suddenly a jupiter sized solid planet with an earth like atmosphere was orbiting our sun at an optimum distance. How would that atmosphere behave given the massive gravity. Would it be an envelope of free gasses surrounding it or a would the massive gravity pull it down into a more soup like swamp. I suspect this would be the case but if someone has more knowledge of this would be welcome any input.

I still must conclude that successful life forms would be of an optimal and proportional size to roughly an earth sized planet. Not too big that they take up too much room and cannot expand their numbers . Not to small as to be ineffectual. Optimal size and strength. Nature tends to create a balance left to its own devices.

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Originally Posted by lanfear63

Regarding the large planet life senario. In our solar system, given that it is a representative sample of the norm accross the universe, we see that the large planets like Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune and Uranus are gas giants. They have a small core and are surrounded by noxious gasses. Only the smaller solid rocky planets show signs that they could harbour intellegent life and have the materials available to build things like spacecraft.

All of the extra solar planets that have been detected around other stars that are large have been found to be gas giants. This adds some credence that life would have to be of a certain size range. however, lets say that suddenly a jupiter sized solid planet with an earth like atmosphere was orbiting our sun at an optimum distance. How would that atmosphere behave given the massive gravity. Would it be an envelope of free gasses surrounding it or a would the massive gravity pull it down into a more soup like swamp. I suspect this would be the case but if someone has more knowledge of this would be welcome any input.

I still must conclude that successful life forms would be of an optimal and proportional size to roughly an earth sized planet. Not too big that they take up too much room and cannot expand their numbers . Not to small as to be ineffectual. Optimal size and strength. Nature tends to create a balance left to its own devices.

A nice piece of reasoning.

A wasted nice piece of reasoning.. but well thought out.

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An excellent discourse Claude just did. Pointed out some very pertinent things.

EDIT: Hey, where did it go. Zapped by aliens or am I cracking up! Anyway, I swear he spoke about...

The uniqueness of the critical Earth-Moon relationship. The conditions and makeup of the earth that make it hospitable and habitable. The configuration is rare.

But, the universe is vast, also, If you also bring in the current multi-verse theories then there is an infinite supply of favorable setups for advanced life statistically. If you bring in the multiple dimensions theories then there is another possible source of visitation. Both these are accepted in mainstream science, the multiverse, an endless sea of universes of which we are just one, also, it is theorized that there are 11 different dimensions (currently). Though these theories have yet to be proved the consensus from a lot of respected scientists is that it fits. Mind boggling.

I was not shot down on the sizes of planets most favorable for life I see which will have a correlation to the optimum and most successfully functioning size and shape of its occupants.

If there are bunny rabbits running around on Mars or evidence for past civilization there then the chance for a universe teeming with life goes up a lot. It would mean that life can take hold in all sorts of conditions. Not looking likely but the jury is still deliberating.

I while back I started emailing a person who works for NASA (Still does) as a physiologist to the astronauts. They had written a self published book on an unrelated subject that interested me. We got quite friendly and emails went back and forth. The minute I got off topic and started speculating about some mild Mars anomalies like blue skies the emails abruptly stopped.

Makes you wonder.

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Originally Posted by lanfear63

An excellent discourse Claude just did. Pointed out some very pertinent things.

The uniqueness of the critical Earth-Moon relationship. The conditions and makeup of the earth that make it hospitable and habitable. The configuration is rare.

But, the universe is vast, also, If you also bring in the current multi-verse theories then there is an infinite supply of favorable setups for advanced life statistically. If you bring in the multiple dimensions theories then there is another possible source of visitation. Both these are accepted in mainstream science, the multiverse, an endless sea of universes of which we are just one, also, it is theorized that there are 11 different dimensions (currently). Though these theories have yet to be proved the consensus from a lot of respected scientists is that it fits. Mind boggling.

I was not shot down on the sizes of planets most favorable for life I see which will have a correlation to the optimum and most successfully functioning size and shape of its occupants.

If there are bunny rabbits running around on Mars or evidence for past civilization there then the chance for a universe teeming with life goes up a lot. It would mean that life can take hold in all sorts of conditions. Not looking likely but the jury is still deliberating.

I while back I started emailing a person who works for NASA (Still does) as a physiologist to the astronauts. They had written a self published book on an unrelated subject that interested me. We got quite friendly and emails went back and forth. The minute I got off topic and started speculating about some mild Mars anomalies like blue skies the emails abruptly stopped.

Makes you wonder.

I'm very sorry, I deleted the bulk of my post after I posted it. Thanks for reading it. I just have no tolerance for some things, and it comes out in my posts. I've PM'd you something.

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I'm very sorry, I deleted the bulk of my post after I posted it. Thanks for reading it. I just have no tolerance for some things, and it comes out in my posts. I've PM'd you something.

You have no tolerance for aliens? Kinda bigotted, isn't it? The Greys aren't gonna like that......not at all.

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You have no tolerance for aliens? Kinda bigotted, isn't it? The Greys aren't gonna like that......not at all.

Just don't get him started on quantum aliens, especially the psychic ones!

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Originally Posted by lanfear63

Regarding the large planet life senario. In our solar system, given that it is a representative sample of the norm accross the universe, we see that the large planets like Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune and Uranus are gas giants. They have a small core and are surrounded by noxious gasses. Only the smaller solid rocky planets show signs that they could harbour intellegent life and have the materials available to build things like spacecraft.

All of the extra solar planets that have been detected around other stars that are large have been found to be gas giants. This adds some credence that life would have to be of a certain size range. however, lets say that suddenly a jupiter sized solid planet with an earth like atmosphere was orbiting our sun at an optimum distance. How would that atmosphere behave given the massive gravity. Would it be an envelope of free gasses surrounding it or a would the massive gravity pull it down into a more soup like swamp. I suspect this would be the case but if someone has more knowledge of this would be welcome any input.

I still must conclude that successful life forms would be of an optimal and proportional size to roughly an earth sized planet. Not too big that they take up too much room and cannot expand their numbers . Not to small as to be ineffectual. Optimal size and strength. Nature tends to create a balance left to its own devices.

So "Men in Black" is a crock...? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by lanfear63

An excellent discourse Claude just did. Pointed out some very pertinent things.

EDIT: Hey, where did it go. Zapped by aliens or am I cracking up! Anyway, I swear he spoke about...

The uniqueness of the critical Earth-Moon relationship. The conditions and makeup of the earth that make it hospitable and habitable. The configuration is rare.

But, the universe is vast, also, If you also bring in the current multi-verse theories then there is an infinite supply of favorable setups for advanced life statistically. If you bring in the multiple dimensions theories then there is another possible source of visitation. Both these are accepted in mainstream science, the multiverse, an endless sea of universes of which we are just one, also, it is theorized that there are 11 different dimensions (currently). Though these theories have yet to be proved the consensus from a lot of respected scientists is that it fits. Mind boggling.

I was not shot down on the sizes of planets most favorable for life I see which will have a correlation to the optimum and most successfully functioning size and shape of its occupants.

If there are bunny rabbits running around on Mars or evidence for past civilization there then the chance for a universe teeming with life goes up a lot. It would mean that life can take hold in all sorts of conditions. Not looking likely but the jury is still deliberating.

I while back I started emailing a person who works for NASA (Still does) as a physiologist to the astronauts. They had written a self published book on an unrelated subject that interested me. We got quite friendly and emails went back and forth. The minute I got off topic and started speculating about some mild Mars anomalies like blue skies the emails abruptly stopped.

Makes you wonder.

The odd's are pretty high that there was or is intelligent life there!

But since Mars does have a blue sky, (blue sky means high oxygen content) and water, the odd's of something being there a pretty high!

Including rabbits!

Not really surprised about the email thing, they know that they might lose their job, or even get thrown in prison, by telling the truth!

All they can do is occasionally slip up, and hope that someone see's the anomaly before their officials tell them to remove it!

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Originally Posted by tagiscom

So "Men in Black" is a crock...? :rolleyes:
The odd's are pretty high that there was or is intelligent life there!

But since Mars does have a blue sky, (blue sky means high oxygen content) and water, the odd's of something being there a pretty high!

Including rabbits!

Not really surprised about the email thing, they know that they might lose their job, or even get thrown in prison, by telling the truth!

All they can do is occasionally slip up, and hope that someone see's the anomaly before their officials tell them to remove it!

Shane

Okay, Okay Shane. Yes - there IS life on Mars. I guess you haven't been in the forum long enough to remember the pic of my RHS1 building? I just remembered it was in my pics on here:

Actually, like I said - when the wind kicks up that sand the sky can get pretty red looking - especially looking at the horizon, but the air is kinda fresh. Um........and it's a dog not a rabbit, however, if you ever find the Nonsense thread archive, you will find that a few of us took up some deadly Internet Marketing Fluffy Bunnies to guard the grounds and building.

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Okay, Okay Shane. Yes - there IS life on Mars. I guess you haven't been in the forum long enough to remember the pic of my RHS1 building? I just remembered it was in my pics on here:

Actually, like I said - when the wind kicks up that sand the sky can get pretty red looking - especially looking at the horizon, but the air is kinda fresh. Um........and it's a dog not a rabbit, however, if you ever find the Nonsense thread archive, you will find that a few of us took up some deadly Internet Marketing Fluffy Bunnies to guard the grounds and building.

Yep, when the NASA astronauts step foot on Mars, they'd better watch out for the cute martian bunnies.

Especially if they realize the atmosphere is breathable, and take their helmets off. Martian bunnies tend to go for the throat! He, he!

But on a more serious side, after a US gov official threatened to pull NASA's finding, they released an image of Curiosity or Spirit, (can't remember which one) on a hilltop with a dark blue sky, (perfect match with an Earth type blue sky)!

I wish l'd copied it, since it is impossible to find again!

A Martian atmosphere rich in oxygen, opens up some doors!

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Originally Posted by tagiscom

Yep, when the NASA astronauts step foot on Mars, they'd better watch out for the cute martian bunnies.

Especially if they realize the atmosphere is breathable, and take their helmets off. Martian bunnies tend to go for the throat! He, he!

But on a more serious side, after a US gov official threatened to pull NASA's finding, they released an image of Curiosity or Spirit, (can't remember which one) on a hilltop with a dark blue sky, (perfect match with an Earth type blue sky)!

I wish l'd copied it, since it is impossible to find again!

A Martian atmosphere rich in oxygen, opens up some doors!

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There's frozen water up there - not a theory, it's there. Period. Um........seems there would have to be some oxygen, since you don't have water without it.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Regarding the large planet life senario. In our solar system, given that it is a representative sample of the norm accross the universe, ...

Not that I disagree, necessarily, but how do we know that it is a representative sample? Just off the top of my head it seems to me that calling it a representative sample can only be based on theory and conjecture. What am I missing?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Not that I disagree, necessarily, but how do we know that it is a representative sample? Just off the top of my head it seems to me that calling it a representative sample can only be based on theory and conjecture. What am I missing?

I'm not sure this is what was meant. But rocky planets tend to form closer to the star, and gas giants tend to form further out. It has to do with radiation from the star, and the fact that hydrogen & helium aren't blown from the surface of the planet, when they are further away.

That's why Mercury has no atmosphere...and is almost nothing but solid iron. Everything but the iron core has been blown away, over a long period of time. Even the mantle. And it's why our atmosphere isn't nearly all hydrogen, like the outer planets. It doesn't take much to blow Hydrogen away.

And I remember that very cold atmospheres tend to grow, and warmer ones tend to dissipate. So the giants just keep getting bigger. But I don't remember the exact reason why cold planets accumulate more matter.

That doesn't mean that every solar system looks like ours, but the small rocky worlds are more likely to be closer, and the gas giants more likely to be further away.

Now, that I've said that...nearly all of the first planets to be detected, are gas giants orbiting very close to their star.

But that may just be because they are the only one we can detect so far. The further from the star, the harder to detect. The smaller, the harder to detect.

The planet has to be large enough to block out some of the starlight, when the planet passes in front of the star. And it has to be heavy enough to make the star wobble, when the planet orbits the star.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Noo we only attract the aliens that are the right proportions to function in our gravity and blend in, breathe oxygen/tolerate our air pressure etc.. Imagine dinosaur sized ones, would not work. Even if they wore clothes they would stick out like a sore thumb. As for learning English, learned, implant or Rosetta Stone. Not really a problem for super advanced beings.

On a more serious note, we observe big planets in our own solar system and others like gas giants and see their is no life or possibility of it (so far ). If Jupiter was a solid body with an atmosphere in the habitable zone things there would be proportionately super sized, plants, and animals. They would have to be and made of strong stuff too otherwise the gravity of the planet would crush them. Crushed by their own weight. So, I don't think mega sized planets are conducive to life.

If we look at our own solar system we see the Earth and possibly Mars as the most likely places to harbour life, Earth does and Mars may have in the past and may have some still. Some of the big Gas giant moons like Europa may, and guess what, they are Earth sized.

Interesting, Earth sized planets, Mars is smaller of course. The only ones supporting life or the possibility of it in our solar system. No reason not to look at our Solar System as a microcosm of the rest of the Universe. We have not detected any really different elements in the universe other than what is present here, therefore we see that life seems to require certain things to function, sunlight, heat and water, gases like oxygen and many other things, not too hot, not to cold. Apart from the possibility of silicone based life there does not appear to be anything else but biological possibilities which would indicate it needs similar conditions as here to flourish.

So move on to what these beings would be like and require for sustenance in the way of food, air pressure, oxygen/gases etc.

They would be of a certain sized given that they are coming from earth sized planets, so comparable to us. An Earth sized planet would be unlikely to support 8 billion aliens the size of a dinosaur. The question of a bipedal alien like us is of course is open to question. They don't have to look like us at all. However, some may.

I could go on with this but here's the bottom line. An advanced race or several for that matter who have learned the secrets of folding space, moving effortlessly about the cosmos is not going to want to land on a gas giant or a planet that cannot support them. They would only want a planet that meets their requirements. Just like if we were able to explore, we would be looking for Earth like planets we could live on.

I think the universe is so vast that there are many advanced races out there, some that look like us and require similar living conditions. And some who visit and mingle.
Are we alone in the universe, highly unlikely.

So, at the very least, its a possibility.

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Noo we only attract the aliens that are the right proportions to function in our gravity and blend in, breathe oxygen/tolerate our air pressure etc.. Imagine dinosaur sized ones, would not work. Even if they wore clothes they would stick out like a sore thumb. As for learning English, learned, implant or Rosetta Stone. Not really a problem for super advanced beings.

On a more serious note, we observe big planets in our own solar system and others like gas giants and see their is no life or possibility of it (so far ). If Jupiter was a solid body with an atmosphere in the habitable zone things there would be proportionately super sized, plants, and animals. They would have to be and made of strong stuff too otherwise the gravity of the planet would crush them. Crushed by their own weight. So, I don't think mega sized planets are conducive to life.

If we look at our own solar system we see the Earth and possibly Mars as the most likely places to harbour life, Earth does and Mars may have in the past and may have some still. Some of the big Gas giant moons like Europa may, and guess what, they are Earth sized.

Interesting, Earth sized planets, Mars is smaller of course. The only ones supporting life or the possibility of it in our solar system. No reason not to look at our Solar System as a microcosm of the rest of the Universe. We have not detected any really different elements in the universe other than what is present here, therefore we see that life seems to require certain things to function, sunlight, heat and water, gases like oxygen and many other things, not too hot, not to cold. Apart from the possibility of silicone based life there does not appear to be anything else but biological possibilities which would indicate it needs similar conditions as here to flourish.

So move on to what these beings would be like and require for sustenance in the way of food, air pressure, oxygen/gases etc.

They would be of a certain sized given that they are coming from earth sized planets, so comparable to us. An Earth sized planet would be unlikely to support 8 billion aliens the size of a dinosaur. The question of a bipedal alien like us is of course is open to question. They don't have to look like us at all. However, some may.

I could go on with this but here's the bottom line. An advanced race or several for that matter who have learned the secrets of folding space, moving effortlessly about the cosmos is not going to want to land on a gas giant or a planet that cannot support them. They would only want a planet that meets their requirements. Just like if we were able to explore, we would be looking for Earth like planets we could live on.

I think the universe is so vast that there are many advanced races out there, some that look like us and require similar living conditions. And some who visit and mingle.
Are we alone in the universe, highly unlikely.

So, at the very least, its a possibility.

This is all very logical sounding. However, all this essentially means is that life as it is currently defined probably doesn't exist nearby. Furthermore, technology as it is currently understood (or at least publicly acknowledged)would make it impossible for anyone to traverse such vast distances.

If you start to look beyond the materialist/ Newtonian/Darwinian paradigm however, a whole new world of possibilities opens up. You cannot understand the universe using 19th century models of science.

For example, the article below is mainly focusing on the afterlife, but the implications are also relevant to ET life and the existence of other dimensions.

Quantum physics proves that there IS an afterlife, claims scientist | Mail Online

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12 years ago

You heard it from a Canadian official first! Remember that when the invasion starts, eh?

I mock it but I've long believed something fishy has been going on in Area 51 for a long time. What? I dunno but the shroud of secrecy makes me suspicious.

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12 years ago

Lanfear -- don't forget about moons. Jupiter's mass is so large that it puts out it's own heat. It just missed being a star instead of a planet. There are a couple of it's moons (of the originally known 10 of them - the rest are mostly just trapped astroids) that are pretty likely to have life on them. Io and Europa are thought to both be very likely to have life - and they're pretty close by in an astronomical sense.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Lanfear -- don't forget about moons. Jupiter's mass is so large that it puts out it's own heat. It just missed being a star instead of a planet. There are a couple of it's moons (of the originally known 10 of them - the rest are mostly just trapped astroids) that are pretty likely to have life on them. Io and Europa are thought to both be very likely to have life - and they're pretty close by in an astronomical sense.

I agree, Jupiter is a failed star. A mini solar system. I don't know how much heat it puts out though, can anyone enlighten. Would say Europa is most likely for life as it has water, aqua based life. It may be warmed by its core and regardless if it has enough heat within for liquid water its warm enough for some sort of life. :-)

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

I agree, Jupiter is a failed star. A mini solar system. I don't know how much heat it puts out though, can anyone enlighten. Would say Europa is most likely for life as it has water, aqua based life. It may be warmed by its core and regardless if it has enough heat within for liquid water its warm enough for some sort of life. :-)

Yep, if l remember correctly Jupiter has a metallic core, the main indication of that is the high radiation surrounding the planet!

Voyagers electronics would have got fried if it wasn't for Pioneer going past Jupiter first, (Pioneer had basic electronics, so it survived).

Hubble also spotted a giant cigar shaped object in orbit around Saturn, but of course it was gone when the latest probe got there!

Last thing NASA JPL would want us to see is a gaint alien mining ship?

But our solar system is littered with this kind of stuff, including Earth!

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12 years ago

What if dinosaurs evolved into intelligent beings instead of monkeys.

Or ants.

Or...

Starfish.

(Seahorses?)

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lanfear63 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Sarevok

What if dinosaurs evolved into intelligent beings instead of monkeys.

Or ants.

Or...

Starfish.

(Seahorses?)

Dinosaurs: There would have to be a significant mutation in how they were structured. Notice the ineffectual hands, they would find it difficult to display any outward physical creativity or dexterity. Trapped in a useless body with a brilliant mind. Frustrating

Ants: They do build stuff as a collective, their own little skyscrapers etc. Would take a lot of them to do anything significant.

Starfish: Body and size limitations again. Need to be in the ocean all the time. Great sea floor thinkers.

Seahorse: size and body limitations, need to be in the sea all the time again, no arms and hands. Floating thinkers

Dolphins have bigger brains than humans but limited by their bodies and cannot outwardly create things. Limited to the sea. They seem to enjoy themselves though. I think they know something!

Pigs: Known to have cognitive powers and more intelligent than dogs. The master race waiting to happen.
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LOL Thom. Did you remember that's one of my fav's or do great minds just think alike?

lanfear -- not sure how much heat it puts out. Also can't ever keep straight which is Io and which is Europa. One is ice covered but is thought to have life underwater, and the other is volcanoes, so probably a pretty sulfuric atmosphere - but so was earth at one time. Guess it depends on how active the volcanoes are whether life such as ours can exist there or not.

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Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by dave147

He's just a poor, crazy, SOB...who is probably an attention whore too. Are there complex alien life forms in the universe? In all probability...yes. Does that mean that they ARE, or ever WILL be here? In all probability...no. And that's all I have to say about that.

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We should still nuke Mars and Pluto just to be safe.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by socialentry

We should still nuke Mars and Pluto just to be safe.

Pluto was named after the ancient Disney god of anthropomorphic dogs.

Mars was named after a candy bar.

It's just science.

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MissTerraK 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Pluto was named after the ancient Disney god of anthropomorphic dogs.

Mars was named after a candy bar.

It's just science.

And Earth was named after...

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- Claude Whitacre 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by MissTerraK
  
  And Earth was named after...
  
  Terra
  
  You've been waiting all day for that moment, admit it.
  
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  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre
  
  You've been waiting all day for that moment, admit it.
  
  Ha! Not really, but I was waiting for you to say that it was named after me so I could act offended and tell you I may be old, but I'm not that old.
  
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  And Earth was named after...
  
  Terra
  
  Earth was named after the soil. Move that earth over there said someone one day, ohh! what a great name for a planet.
  
  How does Claude know about Mars bars. He must be British. I originally come from Slough in the UK where Mars (Now Masterfoods) originated. They have a huge factory there making the various candies like Mars bars, Milky Ways etc. Over here the Mars bar is actually the Milky Way Bar. The Milky Way bar in the Uk exists but over here is called The 3 Musketeers bar. sometimes you can get them in the US with the original chocolate but often they are made by Hersheys here and the chocolate is yuk!
  
  The Uk factory was one of the highest paying places to work in our area in the 70's, shift work earned 179 pounds a week!! There was a line to get in there. They let you eat all the chocolate you wanted, you soon got tired of that!
  
  I worked at various places on that Trading estate and the Mars Factory is very close to the Faberge perfume factory. The most unbelievable combination of smells permeated the air. I needed to get all that off my chest as it has troubled me for years. :-)
  
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

blah blah blah...

Now, that I've said that...nearly all of the first planets to be detected, are gas giants orbiting very close to their star.

But that may just be because they are the only one we can detect so far. The further from the star, the harder to detect. The smaller, the harder to detect.

That's just it, we don't know enough about the universe to say our little corner is a representative sample. It could well be, but at this point it's just our best guess.

Of course, if it is a representative sample, there's life here, so there must be life "out there" all over the place, right?

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Pluto was named after the ancient Disney god of anthropomorphic dogs.

Mars was named after a candy bar.

It's just science.

And all this time I thought Pluto was named after Popeye's arch nemesis. :rolleyes:

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

That's just it, we don't know enough about the universe to say our little corner is a representative sample. It could well be, but at this point it's just our best guess.

Of course, if it is a representative sample, there's life here, so there must be life "out there" all over the place, right?

A representative sample? I wouldn't call it that, just because we have so little to compare it to. But over half the stars we know about have at least one planet orbiting them. And we know why the rocky planets are the ones closest to the Sun. We also have a very strong educated guess as to why the outer planets get to be gas giants.

But we have nothing else to compare it to.

When you say "Life"......
Every planet we've found so far, except one...we know is lacking in at least a few things necessary for life to start.

But is there microbial life out there? Almost certainly.

Intelligent life with technology? Do you know all the things that had to happen in sequence on Earth for us to evolve? It would be like flipping a coin 10,000 times in a row...and it always being Heads.

I would think that it would be hard to duplicate. But who who knows.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Intelligent life with technology? Do you know all the things that had to happen in sequence on Earth for us to evolve? It would be like flipping a coin 10,000 times in a row...and it always being Heads.
I would think that it would be hard to duplicate. But who who knows.

It is indeed staggering to think of all the seemingly random events that had to occur in order for us to arrive at the point we are now. Then again, perhaps that randomness, set upon a wide enough scale, is at the heart of what makes it all possible.

To continue the coin analogy, consider a scenario in which there were countless billions of coins being flipped an unlimited number of times. A 10,000-Heads sequence (as well as every other possible sequence) would have to be happening all the time.

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