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Okay, okay - calm down buddy, just calm down. I have an empowerment network just designed for your type of excitable guy. As a gift for you for joining we're gonna give you this nice status symbol -- a nice white jacket with long, long sleeves that will tell everyone that you're "special".

So just step away from the computer, nice and calm and slow and let us help you put on your jacket................

• No real product.
• Loads of BBB complaints.
• Massive hype.

What could possibly go wrong?

If something doesn't sell a product or worthwhile service, or facilitate it in some such way, and they promise you a return....********RUN*******!

Stores offer a product
The TV repair man(if he still exists) provides a service.
The little girl across the street that waters peoples lawns provides a service.
Apparently Charles ponzi provided a service, but it got too popular and he got lazy, etc.... and so TO THIS DAY a service that provides NO method of real income and claims to pay a return is called a PONZI scheme!

Steve

Not sure if it's the same "company" I enrolled in when I was brand new on the net or not - but the one I joined gave xx amount of "lead" emails a month. I got emails such as uwannafuk@whatever-it-was -- Yeah, that's a real one that I remember and it was the one that made me realize what business building online shams were all about.

So I closed my account and they charged me another month - yet gave no "services" -- and when I emailed them about it the person that answered called me stupid - not hinted or alluded, but out and out called me stupid.
So...........I put a complaint in at my bank with all the details..........and got a refund, after which I emailed the woman and called her a moron.

LOL.

And that, my friend, was how I learned to avoid shams, what to do about them, and that building a business online was about the same as building one offline - it just used different tools and cost a lot less than brick-and-mortar overhead.

End of story.

Well say what you will - I know someone personally that cashed a check for $100k from Empower Network within the past year. Yeah that's $100,000 in commissions for several month's work. It took some real work and time to develop like most businesses -

It would be a real good idea if people didn't always identify with the losers that post negative information because they didn't have any "luck' (no luck without work hello) - because somebody failed does not make something a scam. Especially not when plenty of people are making it work.

The kool aid works both ways - whether people are crazed and pushing it down people's throats at every turn - or the other way where they have "heard" and then they perpetuate that hater mentality without actually having any real first or even second hand experience.

I can tell you I have watched the haters for 10 years and it is invariably the people who wanted something for nothing, who had a sense of entitlement (nasty), and who end up quitting before even attempting to make something work, that are the exact same ones that go and post ugly things. Seriously. Then people carry that around and take every opportunity to perpetuate it.

(I am not now and never have been a member of EN). Nobody paid me to say this and it won't affect me either way if you love it or hate it.

The funny thing about MLM schemes is everyone knows someone banking big money.

Pat, there is always the rare exception. The result you cited is not typical. The typical results, I would guess, is that people pay more than they make. If you have proof that most people earn more than they spend I'd love to see it.

Well no of course it is not typical or we would all be rich, and of course I don't know everybody who signs up and tries or especially all those vast majority who sign up and don't try - now that is typical.

I just get sick of people parroting what they have heard without really knowing anything.

There are lots of scams out there to hate - and while I have heard of scams that pay out just enough to create cheer leaders, I never heard of one that actually pays in the big time like this one does, over and over again.

The point though I always make is that 'no program works unless we do' - whether it costs $10 or $1000 to join - too many people want to believe that they can get something for nothing - and therein lies the rub - these are the same ones that whine about a program that 'doesn't work' and call it a scam - they think there is some magic equation that happens when you sign up - and again these are the first ones to run out and seek vengeance by posting negative 'information' (often rumors and innuendos) when they don't see results by osmosis.

The crime? There is no magic sauce. It is only by EFFORT and giving something TIME to develop that people make money.

So you can try to detract from what I am saying by saying it is not typical, or that everybody knows somebody banking big money - maybe it's true! Gasp - imagine that!

All I am saying is 'don't throw out the baby with the bathwater' - or believe everything you hear -

I'm judging from the response, Pat - that there has only been one program with Empowerment in the name and it's the one you are CS for?

What is CS?

We (Plug-In Profit Site) have had two programs with Empower in the name.

Empowerism which was a good program that eventually dried up and went out of business a few years ago - Janet something was the Pres. I can't believe it turned out that way but it did -

This is Empower Network and is not related in any way as far as I know - Two guys named Dave are the headers. I know I have one of the best most comprehensive and well-done e-books on blogging I have ever seen from them and it does appear that they actually do provide training and other things for the money they charge (although I got the e-book free just for inquiring about their upgrade).

I joined EN for a month to find out the reasl details.
As Dennis said, "there is always the rare exception.".
I know several people,well respected people on this forum that fell for it.
I told them my experience and opinion,they thought I was't invested enough into the program.
I let them find out for themselves.
Every single one of them lost money and found out the hard way about the program.

A lot of these programs teach "fake it until you make it", so they tell others that they are doing wonderful when they are not.

The bottom line is that if you can n ot afford to take the risk, don't.

Pat

Obviously you feel strongly about this, and that's OK. We'll ignore the fact I was joking around in my first post . . . but there's a reason EN is banned at a lot of places. Their members spam until banned. If they don't actively teach it, it doesn't seem they do much to discourage it. That's why you don't see EN links in people's sigs on this forum, unless they just haven't been reported yet.

I know people who have lost money with Empower, so saying I'm "parroting" without any real knowledge isn't exactly accurate. And why do you keep using the word "scam" in your reply to me, I never called it a scam. A bad investment would be my definition of it, at least in public.

Pat,

It's all good. We're just seeing this in different contexts, I think.

Well, if it means anything, I like you! You should like you too. You're good people from everything I've seen here.

Paul,

Thanks for the added info. NFL ... those three letters get used for a lot of things besides football.

EN DOES teach to SPAM.
One of their very first lessons.

hahahahaha - very funny, Les.

No it was not one of the Dave's - who I do not know.

It was one of your very own Warriors.

HE has been a member of both WF and EN for several years.

LOL - Thanks, Claude it has cost dearly to be a non-conformist and contrarian but I can't stop.

I guess my favorite line then is in 'Rebel Without a Cause'.

Somebody asks Marlon Brando, 'what are you rebelling against?'

Answer: 'Whaddya Got'?

It's a lot like dat!

i do not dislike empower i think what their doing as Internet marketing company their great can you trust them?... well i wouldn't i think alot of people on here know from experience that they want you to spend alot of money to learn their system and once you are revealed to there system your broke and have to work with the pyramid system and try and make money off it but the good points are nice set up blog with great platform for newbies so in away its good for someone starting out hope that helped

Here's what I can tell you about Empower Network:

I joined Empower Network about 2 months ago. Yes, I have spent some money with their products and traffic generation. Results are far from what I expected in the beginning and ROI is far away from 100%.

However, the fact is that in 2 months only I learned much more than in 2 years trying to make money online (aka searching the Warrior Forum, buying clickbank products, WSO's and other stuff). The EN team leader (Vick Strizheus) I am following was the only one that could show me how to build an email list. Maybe I'm just dumb and slow, or just didn't find the right offer before, but in 2 years I never saw anything showing how to do it properly. And yes, I spent thousands on products and took action with all of them.

My motivation is better than ever and the community inside is great. There are also plenty of success stories, and even if it is 1% of all affiliates only, the company clearly shows that on their income disclosure pages.

There will always be haters for MLM companies and you know you who you are, always blaming this and that, complaining, quitting, ponzi this, pyramid that. Whatever.

Hope that makes sense.

I may be mistaken but it looks like I am still the only poster in this thread that actually put some money into EN.
Patknows a Warrior that make 100K.

Leonardo claims he learned more from joining 2 months ago than in 2 years of trying other programs and spending thousands and taking action on what he spent those thousands on.

I know Pat pretty well. I believe her.

As several of us said earlier though,there will always be exceptions to the rule.

I know several Warriors that joined like I di and stayed in it longer than I did. In the end they had made no money and had nothing positive to say about the program.

As Saintsfan stated, they softe sell you at first trying to get you to go "all in" as they call it, but if you don't the tacticsd turn to more hard pressure.

I don't remember the exact amount but they try to get close to 2 grand out of you right when you join.

I am very familiar with MLM and/or Network marketing,whatever term you want to call it, so why did I give them my money?
Two reasons. First,I don't review something I haven't tried.
Second,I was going to start a site for Internet Marketing Product Reviews.
After I got a peek on the inside, it was hell trying to get out.
I cancelled before the 1st 30 days were over yet they charged me again.
I unsubscribed from the emailings yet they persisted on sending them to me.
I called the sponsor above me telling him to take me off everything and he would tell me he was going to yet didn't.
It went on and on.

All I can say Leonardo is that is your claim you learned more in 2 months with En than 2 years of actually purchasing and putting in action other good products makes me wonder about how you evaluate a good product.
But good luck to you.