Please explain hooliganism to me

12 years ago

Originally Posted by socialentry

Someone from Europe, please explain Hooliganism,

Why and how does it happen? Any current or past hooligans on the board???:confused:

Hoolligans are people who terrorize, disrupt and destroy and deface things for the fun of it!

Hooliganism is the act of being one. I come from the UK and thats my understanding of the term.

Like Claude and Riffle hi-jacking serious threads for the hell of it, they are the Hooligans of the off topic forum, something I of course would never do.!

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HeySal

12 years ago

Hooligans are about the same thing as our vandals - they do mischievous stuff like paint graffiti - or maybe some shoplifting, maybe hang out on a corner smoking, but they aren't serious criminals like our gang members are......

Note - that's the American version of the word - we used to use it pretty frequently in the 60s and 70s.

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MissTerraK

12 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Hooligans are about the same thing as our vandals - they do mischievous stuff like paint graffiti - or maybe some shoplifting, maybe hang out on a corner smoking, but they aren't serious criminals like our gang members are......

Note - that's the American version of the word - we used to use it pretty frequently in the 60s and 70s.

Yep! Mischievous youth with a criminal element, ruffians.

But I think now as opposed to the 60's and 70's it is more concentrated to sporting events for some reason. Starting fights and such at sporting events.

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alistair

12 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Hooligans are about the same thing as our vandals - they do mischievous stuff like paint graffiti - or maybe some shoplifting, maybe hang out on a corner smoking, but they aren't serious criminals like our gang members are......

Note - that's the American version of the word - we used to use it pretty frequently in the 60s and 70s.

Actually the people you jut described are more likely to be called chavs rather than hooligans.

I only really associate the word hooligan with football. I don't think I ever heard anybody say some hooligans were spotted causing mischief.

Also there were and are serious criminals involved in football hooliganism. Not just from this country but all over, and I'm not talking about what you might call gang members, I'm talking about people involved in war crimes like Arkans Tigers.

Seriously, not all football hooligans just want a fight, they're just the ones you might see on the TV. A lot of it is just used as a front to much more serious stuff, much like anything else.

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Josh Monroe

12 years ago

If you want someone from Europe to explain it, if you mention 'Hooligan' or 'Hooliganism' to them, they will most likely think of Football Hooligans/Hooliganism.

Basically, a football team will have a 'firm' (similar to a gang) and it will fight other teams firms.

Football hooliganism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are some pretty decent movies on this type of thing, "Green Street" and "The Football Factory" are good ones.

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Richard Van

12 years ago

I'm afraid I'm an ex football hooligan, only for a minor club and it was a long time ago now.

There was only ever pre arranged fights that took place mainly in quiet places. Occasionally it would kick off in pubs and around the ground but the police were very strict on it and it was one of the reasons I stopped.

It started when I was 14 and it was just something I fell into. They were older than me and it felt like protection at the time.

Not something I'm proud of but I don't regret it either. For the record almost every team has a firm and there is nearly always a pre arranged fight at most matches. Because the police are so against it and because of the secretiveness of the fights, main stream media rarely ever find out and not many people find out about them.

It's simply underground now, unlike the 70's where it was very much above ground.

Most references to hooligans here are regarding football.

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Claude Whitacre

12 years ago

Hooliganism is the philosophy of the 18th century anarchist Daniel Riffliski.

He believed that owls were more intelligent that man, and he would listen to his owls for hours..trying to determine what they were saying. But of course, they were not saying "What", but rather "Who".

He said, at his trial, that owls told him to flash in front of elementary schools. It was sad. And flashers were then called "Wholigans". The spelling was changed to prevent confusion with Doctor Who, who was in town at the time.

Today, and person creating a disturbance, or getting into fights...is called a hooligan. Even to this day, all the Riffliskis have tried to hide their shame, by shortening and Americanizing their last name.

Their shame is carried even by their living descendants. Chubby little people who look like trolls.

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socialentry

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Hooliganism is the philosophy of the 18th century anarchist Daniel Riffliski.

He believed that owls were more intelligent that man, and he would listen to his owls for hours..trying to determine what they were saying. But of course, they were not saying "What", but rather "Who".

He said, at his trial, that owls told him to flash in front of elementary schools. It was sad. And flashers were then called "Wholigans". The spelling was changed to prevent confusion with Doctor Who, who was in town at the time.

Today, and person creating a disturbance, or getting into fights...is called a hooligan. Even to this day, all the Riffliskis have tried to hide their shame, by shortening and Americanizing their last name.

Their shame is carried even by their living descendants. Chubby little people who look like trolls.

O rly ?

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fastreplies

12 years ago

Originally Posted by socialentry

Someone from Europe, please explain Hooliganism,

Why and how does it happen? Any current or past hooligans on the board???:confused:

Have you tried Wiki?
Try it: Hooliganism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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alistair

12 years ago

Also I always thought that England football hooligans were an embarrassment to this country when they're abroad. And one thing I really can't stand, even if it isn't hooligans, is booing another countrys national anthem before a game. Sorry, but that just isn't cricket.

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Richard Van

12 years ago

Originally Posted by alistair

Also I always thought that England football hooligans were an embarrassment to this country when they're abroad. And one thing I really can't stand, even if it isn't hooligans, is booing another countrys national anthem before a game. Sorry, but that just isn't cricket.

This was one of the very reasons I stopped and for the record, I never travelled abroad or even to an England game. Just club to club meets that nearly always ended in us all shaking hands. I stopped this just over 20 years ago too. I certainly do not condone it looking back.

Young and stupid isn't an excuse but that is what I was at the time.

Now I'm just older and stupid.

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Hooligans was the episode of Gilligan's Island where Gilligan got lost in the lagoon & the Professor made a radio from a coconut.

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HeySal

12 years ago

Wow - I haven't even heard the word used since I was in high school. Maybe that's because I'm not a sports fan? I just assumed it petered out completely like beatnik or greaser did.

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Richard Van

12 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Wow - I haven't even heard the word used since I was in high school. Maybe that's because I'm not a sports fan? I just assumed it petered out completely like beatnik or greaser did.

Not over here it didn't. In the 70's when football hooligans did everything in full public glare and ever since it's been a well known word.

In all fairness to social, he/she did say people in Europe. In most of Europe you get Football hooligans, whereas I've not heard of them across the pond.

It appears to be an Irish word with no factually proven origins but I found this on Wiki...

The first use of the term is unknown, but the word first appeared in print in London police-court reports in 1894 referring to the name of a gang of youths in the Lambeth area of London--the Hooligan Boys,[3] and later--the O'Hooligan Boys.[4]
In August 1898 a murder in Lambeth committed by a member of the gang drew further attention to the word which was immediately popularised by the press.[5] The London-based newspaper Daily Graphic wrote in an article on 22 August 1898, "The avalanche of brutality which, under the name of 'Hooliganism' ... has cast such a dire slur on the social records of South London".

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