Ideas On How To Diminish And Eliminate Google's Search Engine Monopoly?

12 years ago

Originally Posted by PeterLarson

We should all try and break the back of Google's partial monopoly and majority use by searchers.

The best way you can help with this is to start using Bing.com instead of Google for your web searches. Bing is a wonderful search engine and so my recommendation is to use it.

Anyone have anymore suggestions on how to break Google's monopoly?

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You are advising to break up ONE corporation by moving to another? You DO know that BING is MICROSOFT, RIGHT!!?!?!?!?

Steve

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Kay King 12 years ago

Google provides 67% of the internet searches worldwide. That means 67% of the people going online to BUY something use google to find products.

And you think it's a good idea for internet marketers to avoid using that search engine? You think Google is evil - so you use Microsoft?
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workoutstuff1

12 years ago

The main reason that Google got a monopoly is because they use to have an affiliate program to help encourage people to put their search bar on their websites. As people used the search engine, Google was able to learn what people really wanted, and started to improve their search engine while other search engines did very little to improve their search engine results.

The thing with Bing is that it is owned by Microsoft - a company many people do not like.

The only way to topple Google is to have an UNKNOWN come in, and follow the path that Google took to become the #1 search engine.

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seasoned

12 years ago

Originally Posted by workoutstuff1

The main reason that Google got a monopoly is because they use to have an affiliate program to help encourage people to put their search bar on their websites. As people used the search engine, Google was able to learn what people really wanted, and started to improve their search engine while other search engines did very little to improve their search engine results.

The thing with Bing is that it is owned by Microsoft - a company many people do not like.

The only way to topple Google is to have an UNKNOWN come in, and follow the path that Google took to become the #1 search engine.

Google ALSO created a free OS/utility package(It's called ANDROID), and worked to get it on all small devices. MAN, when I heard their stock was selling for $50 I LAUGHED and said "WHAT A RIPOFF"! I'm not laughing anymore. The stock is selling for ~1206.22. WHY? Well, for starters, that free OS/utility package has given them a GIANT wedge in the small device market(including most mobile phones and tablets), some laptops, etc.... The sherman antitrust act DEMANDS that they SPLIT UP, but that is unlikely to happen any time soon.

And YEAH, I would LOVE to have a virtual unknown come in and pull the rug out from under them. Microsoft is NOT it!

BTW ANDROID actually means ANDR(MAN) OID(LIKE) MAN-LIKE. One wonders if they are striving towards that end.

Steve

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UnkwnUsr

12 years ago

duckduckgo.com is a very good little search engine. I believe they use a mix of search features from Yahoo, Bing and Google. Their main selling point has been that they don't keep personal info like google has been doing.

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Dennis Gaskill

12 years ago

Trying to bring down Google by encouraging people to use Bing is like trying to mow your lawn with fingernail clippers -- you might feel like you're making progress but you'll never finish the job. Even all of Google's privacy issues haven't slowed them down. Good luck though.

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thunderbird

12 years ago

Actually, lots of Internet marketers (eg Justin Brooke) are getting massive traffic to their websites and totally ignoring Google while even utilizing their tools. Take the good, ignore the bad.

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MissTerraK

12 years ago

Why would you want to topple Google anyway?

Don't like it? Don't use it. It's really just that simple.

You do know that the owners of Google have the same right to do business on the net that you do, right?

So they are larger than you...get over it!

Terra

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PeterLarson

12 years ago

I am blown away by some of the answers I got on this thread. It even makes me wonder, if the people that answered with somewhat pro Google answers really have any economic sense at all.....

Do you not realize that the more competition that Google has the more it is likely to treat their adwords and adsense clients well?

Are you not aware that Google has taken money from adsense advertisers in the past with flimsy reasons for doing so, and if they had more competition they would treat their adsense and adwords clients much better?

Also, if they had more competition then they would not be handing information over to the gestapo with such readiness especially if their competitors could assure their clients that they were not handing over that kind of personal information.

I realize it is possible to be involved in internet marketing without training in economics but some of the answers I read are beyond believing considering they were not well thought through.

Read these pages for some education please. Sheeeesh...........beyond believable................ :rolleyes:

Briefly answer what is so bad about monopoly for the consumer

Monopoly Good or Bad

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Hopeless Bromantic

12 years ago

Originally Posted by PeterLarson

Do you not realize that the more competition that Google has the more it is likely to treat their adwords and adsense clients well?

Actually, Peter, Google treats its adwords clients extremely well (and much better than Bing treats its advertisers). After all, they are the company's bread and butter. When you spend millions of dollars on online ads, as many of them do, you expect a positive return on your investment: and you immediately stop your ad campaign if you don't get one.

On the other hand, Google has very little incentive to treat its adsense clients well, because there will always be a supply of millions of small-time websites that are willing to throw up a few ads, as long as it doesn't cost them anything.

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thunderbird

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic

Actually, Peter, Google treats its adwords clients extremely well (and much better than Bing treats its advertisers). After all, they are the company's bread and butter. <snip>

Google Adwords is a ripoff, and one can get much much more bang for their buck with other venues.

Google treats its publishers quite badly, and support is notoriously difficult to access. I respect their search engines and utilize their tools, but I also think that it is best for consumers that viable competition is emerging and, indeed, it will likely cause Google to treat publishers and clients better.

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Hopeless Bromantic 12 years ago

Originally Posted by thunderbird

Google Adwords is a ripoff, and one can get much much more bang for their buck with other venues.

Depends on your business (and on how well you track your conversions). Adwords is definitely not for everybody, but it works well for many.
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- thunderbird 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic
  
  Depends on your business (and on how well you track your conversions). Adwords is definitely not for everybody, but it works well for many.
  
  True, it does depend on the business and the campaign. My generalization was too sweeping, but does hold true in most cases.
  
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Sumit Menon

12 years ago

Originally Posted by PeterLarson

I am blown away by some of the answers I got on this thread. It even makes me wonder, if the people that answered with somewhat pro Google answers really have any economic sense at all.....

Do you not realize that the more competition that Google has the more it is likely to treat their adwords and adsense clients well?

Are you not aware that Google has taken money from adsense advertisers in the past with flimsy reasons for doing so, and if they had more competition they would treat their adsense and adwords clients much better?

Also, if they had more competition then they would not be handing information over to the gestapo with such readiness especially if their competitors could assure their clients that they were not handing over that kind of personal information.

I realize it is possible to be involved in internet marketing without training in economics but some of the answers I read are beyond believing considering they were not well thought through.

Read these pages for some education please. Sheeeesh...........beyond believable................ :rolleyes:

Briefly answer what is so bad about monopoly for the consumer

Monopoly Good or Bad

Condescending much? So, you've taken ECON 101.

I like Google's monopoly. I don't want anybody messing with their monopoly! I go online to search for information and Google serves me well. When they'll stop doing that, I'll stop using them. And so will the other billion people on the internet. I am not gonna use a sub-standard search engine just out of fear of someone maintaining a monopoly. What's the point of avoiding the formation of a monopoly in the first place? That businesses would become so complacent that they wouldn't serve the users well. So, if I switch to using Bing, I am choosing to not be served well.

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Dennis Gaskill

12 years ago

I think we all understand what a monopoly is, Peter. What were not impressed with is your plan. Microsoft/Bing is already a monopoly. Transferring the power from one monopoly to another does exactly what?

Trying to bring down a monopoly by posting "Google bad, Bing good" in forums is not a useful plan for change.

If your plan made sense you might have gotten a different type of response. Shifting power from one monopoly to another doesn't make sense to me. I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer though, so please enlighten me as to what I'm missing.

By the way, I do use Bing. Sometimes.

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David Braybrooke

12 years ago

Go back in time and kidnap Larry Page and Sergey Brin. Make sure they never get the chance to create the foundation of Google at Stanford University. And you're supposed to say to me 'Don't be evil.' And I go 'Touché!'

(in joke)

Well it's no worse than any other ideas posed so far.

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seasoned

12 years ago

Peter,

The problem with Google is NOT that it is a monopoly in the sense of having so much of one area of an industry. The average person really cares LITTLE about that. HECK, GOOGLE really does.

The problem is that they have so many industry related things that tie INTO that monopoly. They aren't even called Google! They are GMAIL, ADWORDS, ANDROID, YOUTUBE, ETC...

And you CLAIM that your desire is to improve adwords. DREAM ON! If it worked like that, adwords wouldn't be worth anything and you wouldn't be here. ALSO, if you got rid of the monopoly I am talking about adwords wouldn't be worth as much.

I do NOT like going into gmail and seeing the same STUPID ads for stuff I don't want. And WHY does google do that? Because they THINK they are so smart! They catch ONE keyword going somewhere, by mistake or for research often, and figure I want it ***********SO*********** bad that if they PESTER me I will buy it, but they figure I never would want it SO much that I would just buy it.

You guys should HATE the way they think. Google has some people(Maybe even YOU) burning a LOT of money to annoy me. And it is all for NOTHING! Maybe I should research mesothelioma! At one point, each impression cost close to $100!

Steve

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MissTerraK

12 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Peter,

The problem with Google is NOT that it is a monopoly in the sense of having so much of one area of an industry. The average person really cares LITTLE about that. HECK, GOOGLE really does.

The problem is that they have so many industry related things that tie INTO that monopoly. They aren't even called Google! They are GMAIL, ADWORDS, ANDROID, YOUTUBE, ETC...

And you CLAIM that your desire is to improve adwords. DREAM ON! If it worked like that, adwords wouldn't be worth anything and you wouldn't be here. ALSO, if you got rid of the monopoly I am talking about adwords wouldn't be worth as much.

I do NOT like going into gmail and seeing the same STUPID ads for stuff I don't want. And WHY does google do that? Because they THINK they are so smart! They catch ONE keyword going somewhere, by mistake or for research often, and figure I want it ***********SO*********** bad that if they PESTER me I will buy it, but they figure I never would want it SO much that I would just buy it.

You guys should HATE the way they think. Google has some people(Maybe even YOU) burning a LOT of money to annoy me. And it is all for NOTHING! Maybe I should research mesothelioma! At one point, each impression cost close to $100!

Steve

I never see any ads when I go to my Gmail. Adblocker Plus takes care of that for me. No annoyance no getting pestered...Priceless.

Originally Posted by PeterLarson

I am blown away by some of the answers I got on this thread. It even makes me wonder, if the people that answered with somewhat pro Google answers really have any economic sense at all.....

Do you not realize that the more competition that Google has the more it is likely to treat their adwords and adsense clients well?

Are you not aware that Google has taken money from adsense advertisers in the past with flimsy reasons for doing so, and if they had more competition they would treat their adsense and adwords clients much better?

Also, if they had more competition then they would not be handing information over to the gestapo with such readiness especially if their competitors could assure their clients that they were not handing over that kind of personal information.

I realize it is possible to be involved in internet marketing without training in economics but some of the answers I read are beyond believing considering they were not well thought through.

Read these pages for some education please. Sheeeesh...........beyond believable................ :rolleyes:

Peter,
It isn't that I'm a Google lover or anything like that, as a matter of fact Bing is my search engine of preference.

It's just that I believe in free enterprise and equal rights. I don't know, I just see picking on a large business just because they have been extremely successful as sour grapes.

You do know that you have the same rights to build the same type of business that they do, right?

Go ahead and build a larger and more successful one and knock them out. More power to you.

Terra

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Kay King

12 years ago

I realize it is possible to be involved in internet marketing without training in economics but some of the answers I read are beyond believing considering they were not well thought through.

To me, your argument is not well thought through. The economics marketers care about is THEIR bottom line.

It sounds to me like a personal issue with adsense/adwords - and expecting google to refuse govt info demands is ridiculous. If you don't like ad policies - use different ads. If you don't like privacy violations - change the govt.

My guess is you don't earn a living online as yet. If you did, you'd see Google as a tool to be used rather than an enemy to be conquered.

kay

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seasoned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

I never see any ads when I go to my Gmail. Adblocker Plus takes care of that for me. No annoyance no getting pestered...Priceless.

I used that as an EXAMPLE! They ALSO appear on various sites, etc...

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KimW

12 years ago

Originally Posted by PeterLarson

We should all try and break the back of Google's partial monopoly and majority use by searchers.

The best way you can help with this is to start using Bing.com instead of Google for your web searches. Bing is a wonderful search engine and so my recommendation is to use it.

Anyone have anymore suggestions on how to break Google's monopoly?

Thank you for your help with this.

1: Build a better search engine.

2: Stop using Google.

3: Get everyone else to stop using Google.

4: Start a campaign to break up the search engine that replaced Google.

5: Repeat steps 1-4.

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travlinguy

12 years ago

Google's arrogant enough to bring on their own demise. Just watch.

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