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Bizarre and Shocking

by Kay King
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Justina Pelletier placed in permanent custody of Massachusetts - News Local Massachusetts - Boston.com

I've followed this story and I don't get it.

Where is the public outrage over this case? A hospital seizes CUSTODY of a young woman from another state - because the doctors don't agree with doctors at another hospital???

I've never seen anything like this in the U.S. and I keep expecting a huge outcry from the public....and it doesn't come.

The condition of this teen has gone down significantly since the hospital grabbed custody. She's being denied the medication for her mitochrondrial disease diagnosed by an outstanding Connecticut hospital.

TODAY - the Massachusetts court gave the state permanent custody of a child from Connecticut. He decreed her parents can't even appeal his decision until summer. How is this allowed to happen?:


a teen with a family who did nothing wrong - will be in foster care - and at the rate her health is going now....she'll die there.

The parents have been under a gag order by the Mass court and that's one reason the case didn't go public initially. The Father of the girl violated the gag order and went on a cable new show to ask for help.

If this is not an abuse of the justice system - I don't know what it. If I were a parent in the NE - I would not allow my child to be treated at Boston Children's or anywhere in Mass right now.
  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    Forgive me commenting on something that is none of my business from across the pond but what the bloody hell is that all about?

    It's funny, over here we have these 'human rights' laws that seem to only be for protecting criminals. Fascinating for me to watch criminals having human rights and in America, this is happening.

    Nothing ceases to amaze me nowadays Kay.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Collectively, we get what we ask for. The majority wants the state to guarantee security and happiness. This is their version of it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      what the bloody hell is that all about?
      That's what I asked when I first saw this story some time ago.

      I find it hard to believe this can happen in this country - but it is and nothing is being done to stop it. As for the court - I think the judge is protecting the state of MAss from a massive lawsuit. If they let the girl go back home now they are admitting they were wrong....and they are SO liable.

      She was ice skating and going out with friends before she went to Boston for treatment for a totally different problem than she was being treated for in Connecticut. After a year in the custody of Mass. she's in a wheelchair.

      Everyone involved says she has good parents ...EXCEPT the people at Boston Children's who don't agree with her prior diagnosis (they weren't asked for their opinion to begin with).

      If a state can take a child away from parents (they are only allowed to visit once a week though haven't been accuse of any wrongdoing) in another state....this is court sanctioned, state sanctioned kidnapping.

      This country may be further down into the rabbit hole than I thought.
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        That's what I asked when I first saw this story some time ago.

        I find it hard to believe this can happen in this country - but it is and nothing is being done to stop it. As for the court - I think the judge is protecting the state of MAss from a massive lawsuit. If they let the girl go back home now they are admitting they were wrong....and they are SO liable.

        She was ice skating and going out with friends before she went to Boston for treatment for a totally different problem than she was being treated for in Connecticut. After a year in the custody of Mass. she's in a wheelchair.

        Everyone involved says she has good parents ...EXCEPT the people at Boston Children's who don't agree with her prior diagnosis (they weren't asked for their opinion to begin with).

        If a state can take a child away from parents (they are only allowed to visit once a week though haven't been accuse of any wrongdoing) in another state....this is court sanctioned, state sanctioned kidnapping.

        This country may be further down into the rabbit hole than I thought.
        Kidnapping is exactly what it is. And liability? When that girl dies, those parents are going to sue those people through the roof. They should be now if she's now in a wheelchair and was okay before. If I were them, I'd be lodging a very strong complaint against the judge - and saying F*** gag orders. I'd be on television. This isn't the only case like this going on in this country. We have courts stealing kids all over hell and back. Just had a judge locked up for 28 years for selling kids to juvenile delinquent homes.

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I've been following this story and the last I read before this, was it looked like the child would be returned home ... and now this.

    I don't know and none of us really know what this diagnosis is all about and which medical institution is right and which is wrong. Never seen anything like this case, but I do know that a state will intervene when parents are not providing adequate and appropriate medical care for a child. I've seen it with couples who thought that newborns could be given a raw food diet and died of malnutrition, so the other children were taken into protective custody, etc.

    But this case is a disagreement between medical institutions and only one of them is right. I don't know how a state with no jurisdiction can do this.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post


      But this case is a disagreement between medical institutions and only one of them is right. I don't know how a state with no jurisdiction can do this.
      That's why it's so damned scary. They took someone away from the parent's choice of CERTIFIED and LICENSED facilities with no jurisdiction to do so. What they have done is nothing short of building precedence for doing it any time they want to whoever they want. That's why it's so important for this family to violate the "gag order" - which is also pretty handsomely a violation of rights as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Interesting story. I would like to see more info about but I did read the judges disposition order and it's worth a read. It seems he and the MA DCF made efforts to have the child at least transferred to her home state. Also the CT DCF also "substantiated the parents for neglect" and that return of Justina to her parents custody was not in her best interests.

      http://c.o0bg.com/rw/Boston/2011-202...phics/SCAN.pdf
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Interesting story. I would like to see more info about but I did read the judges disposition order and it's worth a read. It seems he and the MA DCF made efforts to have the child at least transferred to her home state. Also the CT DCF also "substantiated the parents for neglect" and that return of Justina to her parents custody was not in her best interests.

        http://c.o0bg.com/rw/Boston/2011-202...phics/SCAN.pdf
        That was the court's conclusion. But it seems this court is going against what another established medical institution says - without jurisdiction - and the girl's health is going to crap. They aren't only ruling against parents, they are ruling against legally licensed doctors and health facilities.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

    I've followed this story and I don't get it.
    Your usual attitude is, "We should talk about this sensibly, people are just over reacting, as usual."

    This is what you get when you compromise with people who only want to "take", and control everyone and everything.

    There will be no outrage, people have been conditioned to accept anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      David - You're right about my "attitude". I often can see both sides of an issue
      rather than going for the emotional outrburst that's standard with many news stories.

      I don't sign petitions about this and that or get outraged very often - but I'm outraged over this story. There's something dark and not right here.

      The more I learned about this story- the more shocked I was. I looked for the logical reasons - and they don't exist. I can't understand how a hospital can get away with this - but they are.
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        David - You're right about my "attitude". I often can see both sides of an issue
        rather than going for the emotional outrburst that's standard with many news stories.

        I don't sign petitions about this and that or get outraged very often - but I'm outraged over this story. There's something dark and not right here.

        The more I learned about this story- the more shocked I was. I looked for the logical reasons - and they don't exist. I can't understand how a hospital can get away with this - but they are.
        Serious? The medical industrial complex has been killing millions for decades. Why is this a shock? Because they are experimenting on the girl? That's been going on for a very long time, too. The first time I ever got a taste of that fact was from a book called 10,000 Guinea Pigs -- if you can find it, read it.

        What about soldiers being given labotomies or given LSD without their knowledge and some of the things they've done to criminals and citizens in insane asylums. Now it's going to be forced vaccination. Remember the first round of polio with all the live cancer virus in it? We started seeing the effects of that one around 30 years ago.

        Now we've got judges going to jail for selling kids to our for profit "correctional" institutions and senators trying to take our guns being arrested for running guns.

        People in this country seriously do not start to understand how dangerous the people in power are. There is profit enough to make complicit powers extremely wealthy. Do you really think that we are more important to someone than the ability to live like royalty? Sometimes good people rise to power. More often it takes some real dirty games and the psychosis to be able to play them to get there. People in power get the trust of the people far too cheaply.

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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I've been following this one for a while as well. What is strange to me is that her sister was diagnosed and effectively treated for the same condition. So how can other doctors now say that she was misdiagnosed when her sister is now fine - and she has become worse?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cristy...b_4843997.html

    And I have no idea why this isn't getting more coverage in the main-stream media. My only guess would be that it goes against their state run medical care narrative they've been pushing.
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      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      And I have no idea why this isn't getting more coverage in the main-stream media. My only guess would be that it goes against their state run medical care narrative they've been pushing.
      The judge ordered a gag order. That pretty much puts a damper on people who will tell the other side to the story ... the side that they don't want the public to hear.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Just saw this case - and the girl's father - on the Mike Huckabee show. Finally at least one media person is looking closely and saying "this isn't right". Allen Dershowitz was a guest on the show and offered his help. He said the gag order was unconstitutional as no court could prevent parents from talking about their minor child.

        This is one interesting - and very strange - case.

        Mat Staver, the founder and chairman of the Liberty Counsel and whom the Pelletiers requested be admitted as a lawyer onto the case -- a request Judge Johnston also denied Tuesday -- said the court order doesn't present all the evidence.


        Staver said three psychiatric experts and Dr. Korson testified in court in the last months of 2013. One of the psychiatrists was the one from Boston Children's Hospital who first diagnosed Justina with somatoform disorder. That doctor maintained a somatoform diagnosis to the court, Staver said.



        Another was from Boston Children's who disagreed with the somatoform diagnosis but said Justina had another psychiatric condition known as conversion disorder.



        The third, Staver said, was a psychologist who had seen since Justina since 2006, well before the custody battle began. This psychologist believed that Justina suffered from a form a depression that resulted from her symptoms with mitochondrial disease.



        Dr. Korson maintained in court that Justina had mitochondrial disease, which impacts the energy-producing organelles of her cells.


        To Staver, this shows that "only one doctor insists that she has somaoform. So that's the so-called evidence that the judge is relying upon."
        Also Friday, the House Republican leadership sent a letter to Governor Deval Patrick asking him to "open the line of communication" with Governor Dannel Malloy of Connecticut and "work to facilitate the safe and prompt return of Justina to Connecticut."
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        The judge ordered a gag order. That pretty much puts a damper on people who will tell the other side to the story ... the side that they don't want the public to hear.
        Tis true - There was a gag order in the Trayvon Martin case as well, but a gag order has never prevented journalists from probing and reporting. - Something else here is preventing journalism from taking place.
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    Strange that the ACLU hasn't been invited to help Justina.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Gary - The gag order in the Martin case was on the lawyers - not the parents.

      His point was there can be a gag order on the lawyers and on the hospital but you can't order a parent of a minor child not to talk about his child.
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  • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
    I hate that I have become so cynical, but someone might want to look into the judge's finances...
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by SteveJohnson View Post

      I hate that I have become so cynical, but someone might want to look into the judge's finances...
      I agree. You have all those "doctors/psychiatrists" who disagree, and yet he favors one doctors' opinion. He seems invested in the outcome of this case. I think it's time for someone to step in and put a stop to this. I hope this family wins a big lawsuit.
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