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Hey guys, so basically I have a fear of dogs! its kinda bad not the worst though. Every dog I came across since I was four either chased me or tried to bite me.
Problem is we got robbed about 10 days ago. The family bought a german shepherd on impulse..my life has been hell. I am confined in my room. I would move out if I can afford to but right now It is out of the question.My family don't give a crap/understand my fear.
I don't know what to do. How do I deal with the dog in a way that it won't bite me. what can I do :confused:
  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    That's sad because dogs are such wonderful companions.

    If the dog is friendly to the family (and I assume it is) I suggest you enlist a family members help. It's too bad they chose a large dog when they obviously know of your fear so they should be willing to help you get over it.

    German Shepherds are wonderful family dogs and they don't have to be aggressive to frighten away a robber. Their size and deep bark can be enough to chase off a crook.

    You probably need professional help but you can do this. Go into a room and sit in a comfortable chair. Put your hands in your lap and then have family members come into the room with the dog. Don't speak to the dog, don't look directly at the dog....just sit there.

    The dog will approach you - he'll be curious. Allow him to sniff at you and he'll probably sniff a bit and walk away. Do not react - do not pull back or kick at him.

    You can't spend the rest of your life in you room. It would be sad to spend your life afraid of dogs because you'd miss out on a great experience of having a dog as a friend.

    If you think every dog you meet is "after you" - you're doing something physically that is making them react in a way that frightens you.

    If you run - even a friendly dog will chase you. He thinks you are playing. If you throw your hands up in the air when a dog approaches he may jump on you as that's what he thinks you want. If you jump around and show fear - the dog will become active, too, and nervous as he doesn't know what's wrong but clearly something is.

    Dogs do know when people are afraid - but a good dog will try to make friends with you. Once the dog knows you are part of the family if you ignore him he'll mostly ignore you and focus on the family members who are more friendly.

    Right now - you don't have to conquer your fear of dogs. You only need to accept this one dog who lives with you now. He is not "dogs" - he's only one dog in a new place with new people and he's probably as scared as you are.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I'm going to agree with Kay. If dogs go after you, they smell something. If it's fear they smell, well they don't trust that. So you need to be able to get past the fear to really get close to this little guy. It might help to start calling him a kid instead of dog. Get your mentality wrapped around the idea, he really is just another kid in the family. He's just a kid that can save your life when you need him - and will if you need him to.

    I would suggest you start out by just sitting and talking to him. If you need someone else to hold him for you while you talk to him, that's kewl - but talk to him. It's best to talk to him while you are sitting down, that way you are not intimidating to him either. Maybe throw a ball for him or put a treat on the floor for him (later you can hand it to him personally, but for now, just put it on the floor so he can see that you want to be friendly and not to take your reticence harshly.

    Move slowly around the guy so you don't surprise him or excite him. Even if he just wants to play before you get to know him, it might be really crazy scary to you if you excite him and he jumps.

    After a few days, weeks, maybe sit with a family member with the dog between you. That way you can feel the "humaness" of the little guy yet have someone to help out if you get too scared.

    I think you will find that as you get used to him and get to know his personality, you'll find that you really love him more than you'd ever have expected to be able to.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      There's nothing I can add to Kay or Sals brilliant posts.

      Sadly, the problem here resides in you, not the dog (and your family for a complete lack of understanding). You need to conquer your own fear here but you have some excellent advice with which to start.

      Good luck too because you are missing out on a lot, I'm the opposite, I'm not sure I could live without a dog.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I'm going to agree with Kay. If dogs go after you, they smell something. If it's fear they smell, well they don't trust that. So you need to be able to get past the fear to really get close to this little guy. It might help to start calling him a kid instead of dog. Get your mentality wrapped around the idea, he really is just another kid in the family. He's just a kid that can save your life when you need him - and will if you need him to.
      Horrible advice. Dogs are NOT people. They deserve to be treated as dogs and not merely thought of as short humans. He/she is NOT a kid, it's a dog.

      Why some people have to pretend a dog is a human in an attempt to elevate it in some kind of way is beyond me. Being a dog is what makes them special to me and I respect and like the differences. They have different wants and needs than people and these need to be addressed.

      TAZ,

      You need to do someting. You can't live like this and it's up to you to take action. Dogs love to play, run and eat. If you are the person that feeds it and plays with it, it will bond with you. But living in fear is not an option.

      Check out the books "How to be your dog's best friend" written by the Monks of New Skeet. These monks run a monestary and support themselves by breeding and training german shepards.

      The monks are some of the most respected german shepard breeders and handlers in the world and focus on how dogs think and what they need to be healthy and happy. They'll teach you how to interact with your dog and not prentend that it's a human.

      Dogs such as german shepards, rotties, dobbies, etc. take a firm, but fair and loving master. Either you take control, or they will. They usually give you this choice at first, but if you don't take the leadership role, they will. And they generally don't have much respect for beta members of their pack.

      The monks will show you how to be the leader of the pack. They'll teach you proper nutrition and how to discipline your dog, something most dog owners are clueless about. Dogs want rules and structure and if you don't give it to them, they can become unhappy and uncontrollable.
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Horrible advice. Dogs are NOT people. They deserve to be treated as dogs and not merely thought of as short humans. He/she is NOT a kid, it's a dog.

        Why some people have to pretend a dog is a human in an attempt to elevate it in some kind of way is beyond me. Being a dog is what makes them special to me and I respect and like the differences. They have different wants and needs than people and these need to be addressed.
        Possibly, in the way I wrote it. You are right because dogs do have a different sense of sociology than we do, and different senses, too, but their comprehension of our language is that of a child. That's basically what I was talking about. If he gets his head around communicating with the guy like he would a little kid, it might help him get over his fear. Once the fear is gone he can let the kid teach him the world according to dogs. It's an amazing world to be sure.

        That's all I meant. You know that I think dogs are the most special creatures on earth. Didn't mean to make it sound like the are people. Most of the joy and companionship I've shared with mine are exactly because they aren't.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Your best bet is to get out of your room and overcome that fear and make good friends with that dog. Buy a ball and play ball with it. Take it for walks. You don't really have another option, do you?
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    TAZ87,

    I was bitten by a dog once. It was a planned surprise attack by the dog. It got a good hold on my leg. It probably didn't continue because it didn't like the taste of my pants. I was ANGRY! For the most part though, dogs have been nice and friendly and I like dogs. I wrote here before about how one dog saved me from having to sleep in my garage, or car.

    Let the dog know you are there for it, and it may be there for you. You're best action would be to come out, and just try to make friends with it.

    German shepards at least CAN be big, strong, smart dogs. I believe they are considered good family dogs also. So it should be easy to make friends with it.

    If a stranger comes in and threatens the family or the home, the dog may try to scare them away and even attack.

    And Kay is right. If you run, dogs will, in general, give chase. It is true of small AND big dogs, and they may want to simply engage in obviously friendly play if you stop. If you want to get away from dogs, the best way is to probably non nonchalantly walk away. Hopefully it is chained. Of course, you will likely be able to simply walk past a dog.

    But HEY, the dog that saved me was barking and running toward me. He just wanted to play with someone new. I stood my ground, he jumped up, I pet him, and that was as far as the "chase" went.

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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Try hypnosis.
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenda from OZ
    German Shephards are really smart and loyal dogs. This kind of dog is a best friend if you will let it. It needs to be accepted by you and you will eventually need to take your place in the pack above the dog. May be read up on some Ceasar Milan. I feel your pain, I was chased everyday as a child on my way to school by a dog.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I don't know if the OP will come back and read the responses but there's one thing I've learned about "fear".

      Every time you give in to the fear - that fear becomes stronger.

      When you have the courage to keep going THROUGH the fear...the fear begins to lose its grip on you.

      It's not easy - most worthwhile things aren't.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ricardo Furtado
    Try seeing a shrink...they can help with such issues.
    Best wishes and regards.
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  • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
    Originally Posted by TAZ87 View Post

    Hey guys, so basically I have a fear of dogs! its kinda bad not the worst though. Every dog I came across since I was four either chased me or tried to bite me.
    Problem is we got robbed about 10 days ago. The family bought a german shepherd on impulse..my life has been hell. I am confined in my room. I would move out if I can afford to but right now It is out of the question.My family don't give a crap/understand my fear.
    I don't know what to do. How do I deal with the dog in a way that it won't bite me. what can I do :confused:
    Invest in dog treats...preferably the kind the dog will be too preoccupied chewing to worry much about you. Every time he sees you, you give him one. Do this enough, and he will connect you with good things, and will leave you alone.

    If you feel really gutsy, you can use the treats to teach him to sit on command, which will make life even more fun for you.

    Hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

      Invest in dog treats...preferably the kind the dog will be too preoccupied chewing to worry much about you. Every time he sees you, you give him one. Do this enough, and he will connect you with good things, and will leave you alone.

      If you feel really gutsy, you can use the treats to teach him to sit on command, which will make life even more fun for you.

      Hope this helps.
      NOOOOOOOO -- do not use treats for training! Maybe one after a whole long session - but you don't want a dog "acting" for you for food. You want him communicating with you so you can be friends and family. They want to learn to communicate and work with you - to fit into the pack. You do not want a "guard dog" to be temporarily stunned by some intruder handing them a treat. Even if they pull out of it in a second or two, that time can mean life or death in an emergency. You want a dog to respond to YOU not to FOOD.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Part of getting over a phobia is gradual exposure to
    what gives you fear. Gradual exposure so you know
    they are not all like the ones that chased you as a kid.

    Maybe photos, then all the YouTube videos - not the
    dog fight ones, then visiting a small animal
    shelter where you can walk around and know you're
    safe because they are all in cages or crates...

    And, yes learn dog behavior so you don't do something
    that will cause them to chase or bite...

    A counselor can easily help with these things.
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  • Profile picture of the author TAZ87
    WOW...soo many replies.
    First of all thanks to each one of your replies with suggestions and resources that I surely will check out.

    Some people suggested trying to play with it, fetch and so on. That is completely out of question, at least right now. Here is why.
    I am a cat person, I love my cats and they appreciate me(I think lol). I know them, I understand them very well. More importantly I KNOW what to expect from them. Unlike a dog that I know nothing about so even if I can muster enough courage to come face to face with it, if it does anything abruptly like jump on me etc I sure as hell will run for it! It's not my instinct but more like a reflex..I won't think I will just do it. Then it will chase me and BAM I am screwd/dead, When I see the big creature all I can think about is its destructive capability and what damage it can do if it decided to pounce on me for whatever reason.

    A few years ago I had a girlfriend that had a jack Russell. Many years ago before I knew her, I would pass that house on my way to school and that dog would every morning without fail scare the crap out of me and wake me up in the process. Anyway we dated she introduced me to her, she wasn't too bad she let me pet her and ignored my presence for the most part and vice versa. but one day Standing in the kitchen it sprung up aiming for my right hand.Boy can that thing jump! there was no warnings.nothing. Out of nowhere she attacked,luckily I have fast reflexes and was not hurt. Although I was never actually bitten in the past, this is one of the many situations I almost was.

    My dad and younger brother are like..yea nothing to worry about I will hold her untill you get to know each other. But problem is, I do NOT trust that they can hold her down if the dog decided to attack me. My dad is an older man and my little brother simply doesn't have the physical strength to control her if things go south. So I am obviously anxious regarding that scenario.

    My rational thinking/logic is telling me the dog is fine, it is doing great with everyone else and therefore she is no threat. But I am scared if anything goes wrong I know for a fact I will automatically go into fight or in this case..flight mode,flight to china running...
    and as others mentioned dogs give chase which is exactly what will happen.
    I hope I explained it in a way that you can understand where I am at psychologically.

    update: Our neighbours gave us a phone number of a dog trainer. He didn't answer so I sent him an SMS. Also, I got downstairs very close to it separated by a mostly glass door and yes it went absolutely crazy. It is only one year old female but it is a BIG dog already.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by TAZ87 View Post

      update: Our neighbours gave us a phone number of a dog trainer. He didn't answer so I sent him an SMS. Also, I got downstairs very close to it separated by a mostly glass door and yes it went absolutely crazy. It is only one year old female but it is a BIG dog already.
      Hi again,

      One thing, was it going crazy because it was happy or was it baring it's teeth growling and effectively saying "Step one foot in here and I'll have you"?

      My dogs go bonkers when I get home but it's because they're happy, others may confuse it with aggression, in fact the elder one loves licking your fingers when he first meets you and some people find that scary most likely because they don't like their hand being near a dogs mouth. I can tell you though they are so far removed from aggression at that point it's untrue.

      May I also add, a one year old female is going to be very excitable and playful. I'm just guessing this 'crazy' you describe may be just happy to see you behaviour and of course I may be wrong, I've never met the dog.
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      • Profile picture of the author TAZ87
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Hi again,

        One thing, was it going crazy because it was happy or was it baring it's teeth growling and effectively saying "Step one foot in here and I'll have you"?

        My dogs go bonkers when I get home but it's because they're happy, others may confuse it with aggression, in fact the elder one loves licking your fingers when he first meets you and some people find that scary most likely because they don't like their hand being near a dogs mouth. I can tell you though they are so far removed from aggression at that point it's untrue.

        May I also add, a one year old female is going to be very excitable and playful. I'm just guessing this 'crazy' you describe may be just happy to see you behaviour and of course I may be wrong, I've never met the dog.
        There were no teeth shown but she was growling, She can't really miss me or be excited or happy for my presence as since she came, we haven't been "introduced" to each other.
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by TAZ87 View Post

          There were no teeth shown but she was growling, She can't really miss me or be excited or happy for my presence as since she came, we haven't been "introduced" to each other.
          With respect, just because a dog hasn't been introduced to you, it does not mean it's incapable of excitement or happiness.

          My dogs get excited when they meet anyone. One growls in a friendly way in what we think is his attempt to talk. It's not aggression in any case.

          My dogs on walks meet people, off the lead who they've never met before and guess what they do? They get excited and happy. It's your misguided fear of what a dog will do without introduction that is wrong. Don't get me wrong, some dogs will need to be introduced but you live in the same house and I'm sure the dog is aware of your presence.

          Also, let me get this straight. She didn't bare her teeth, only growled and you constitute that as going 'absolutely crazy'? Again, your fear is a huge part of the issue. What did you do when you went downstairs to make her growl? Did you look at her through the glass, eye contact? Did you just sit and stare? Or were you nice and reassuring and said things in a nice voice like "Good girl"?

          Can I also assume the dog trainer is like Cesar Milan and actually trains the owners too? You have a lot of deep seated fears of dogs and you'll act in front of the dog accordingly. It amazes me how many people who love dogs have no clue how to treat them. I think you'll need to be taught how to act around a dog.
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          • Profile picture of the author TAZ87
            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            Also, let me get this straight. She didn't bare her teeth, only growled and you constitute that as going 'absolutely crazy'? Again, your fear is a huge part of the issue.
            With respect as mentioned in the title "cynophobia" so yea I already know of my fear of dogs.

            I wouldn't know if its excited, angry or hungry.But when I showed up she started barking relentlessly.

            I never mentioned I love dogs anywhere in this thread.
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            • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
              Originally Posted by TAZ87 View Post

              With respect as mentioned in the title "cynophobia" so yea I already know of my fear of dogs.

              I wouldn't know if its excited, angry or hungry.But when I showed up she started barking relentlessly.

              I never mentioned I love dogs anywhere in this thread.
              You know of your fear, you do not understand it though. You may not see that but everyone else can.

              So barking now, not growling? So in fact it probably was excited.

              I never mentioned you love dogs anywhere in this thread either. Read it again...

              It amazes me how many people who love dogs have no clue how to treat them. I think you'll need to be taught how to act around a dog.
              That's people who love dogs, not you. I think it's pretty obvious you don't love dogs. I was talking about people that do love them and some of them have no idea how to treat them (You can figure that out watching one episode of Mr Milans stuff). You have an irrational fear of them so it stands to reason you won't have a clue either.

              Anyway, good luck, I really was only trying to help, I'll leave you to sort your own stuff out now and stop wasting my time. I'm sorry my points intended to help you were taken in the wrong way.

              Best advice I can give? Listen to Susan, save up and move away from the dog.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    It sounds to me like you are so wedded to your unreasonable fears and convictions that you are not going to put the best advice to use no matter what. That's certainly a choice that you can make.

    I personally believe your parents have every right to bring a dog into their house. Since you can't/won't adapt, you should probably consider moving. If that dog doesn't get to know you, that's your fault. A dog normally wants to be a part of the family "pack" ... all of them, and will soon become a loyal, loving ally when that happens.
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    The trainer guy has been booked. Will see what happens.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by TAZ87 View Post

      The trainer guy has been booked. Will see what happens.

      A real dog trainer does more training of the humans involved with the dogs than training of the dogs. In some cases, the humans may be untrainable.

      A trainer does not train a dog to "like" a person or "respect" a person. The people who are living with the dog have to build that relationship. It's not just going to "happen" just because a dog has a trainer.
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        A real dog trainer does more training of the humans involved with the dogs than training of the dogs. In some cases, the humans may be untrainable.

        A trainer does not train a dog to "like" a person or "respect" a person. The people who are living with the dog have to build that relationship. It's not just going to "happen" just because a dog has a trainer.
        I'm actually assuming the trainer is for TAZ87? The dog seems fine, everyone in the house without Cynophobia seems ok with it.

        I'm actually guessing the first words from the trainer will be something along the lines of "Wait, you need training here, the dogs fine. I can't train the dog when you're irrationally scared of it. You're chucking money at the wrong problem".
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          I'm actually assuming the trainer is for TAZ87? The dog seems fine, everyone in the house without Cynophobia seems ok with it.

          I'm actually guessing the first words from the trainer will be something along the lines of "Wait, you need training here, the dogs fine. I can't train the dog when you're irrationally scared of it. You're chucking money at the wrong problem".
          I once adopted an enormous airedale terrier. He was beautiful and he was slated for death the next day. I did not want an Airedale, but couldn't allow that dog to be put down, so I brought him home.

          He was aggressive and dangerous as he was. When the mailman threw the mail in our door slot, he chewed it up and growled and bared his teeth if you tried to get it away. He was larger than a German Shepherd. He also growled if you got too close to him while he was eating.

          I had a hemophiliac roommate who was, quite frankly, an idiot. He would insist on challenging him when he acted this way, without any real knowledge of training.

          I paid $1K for a dog trainer to come to my house for one day, approximately 1 hr. (nice pay). He trained me to become the pack leader and evaluated the dog. It worked very well. The dog lost his growling and teeth baring behavior, but the trainer also said that he considered the dog somewhat unstable, probably due to mistreatment before he arrived at the shelter.

          I called Airedale Rescue in our area and discussed the dog with them and told them he now needed to be rehomed, as my intention was to rehome him all along. The dog was placed with an older man, no children, on a farm and they bonded and have been very happy together.

          To be clear, the trainer didn't actually "do" anything at all with the dog. He trained me and the problem was solved.

          In order for that to happen, the human needs to be open and want to change. If they are rigid and unyielding in their beliefs or have fear that they will not overcome, the trainer can't do much. Teaching a dog tricks does little to socialize a dog to a family. It's just tricks and anyone with a box of treats can do that. Teaching humans to be the pack leader is the key.
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        • Profile picture of the author TAZ87
          Yes the trainer is for me. The dog is fine just needs some adjustments so she can be let off leash in the park without worries. The dog is walked daily,even twice sometimes. I guess we will find out if I am "untrainable" as you say.

          Glenda from OZ I would be scared in that situation too, The great escape dog edition!
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenda from OZ
    TAZ I agree with Richard: There's probably a lot of pup in her yet. If she is being protective she needs to know you are part of her pack. Don't forget she is still adjusting, she doesnt know whats going to happen to her. She just got there. Where was she before? You do need some specialised help in learning how to interact with her because you cant live like this. I was so scared of my grandmothers german shephard because she was so big and excitable. She was boarded one time while my grandmother went away. She was so smart she let herself out of the kennel, and let every other dog out of theirs. True story. They called us and told us to come and get her. So we did. 3 kids in the back and a german shepard jumping all over the car so happy happy happy to see us. It was so so scary to me, but that dog - well I wish she were my dog today. You need to be part of the pack and she will protect you. Can your family try taking her to a dog safe area and let her run off a bit of steam. When she is tired and happy with her tongue hanging out and a big smile on her face you might feel its possible to let her smell the back of your hand and pat her. She needs daily exercise to wear her out and keep her happy. She too needs time to know where she is. They are family dogs. very loyal.
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    I had a red heeler cross that hated my male neighbour who would hang over the fence and taunt her. One day, she had an opportunity and she bit him. I was astonished. Just FYI other neighbours said "I know why she bit him" Anyway to avoid ramifications I hired a 'bark buster' - he said to me, if you aren't the leader, she will be the leader. She doesnt want to be, but she will take that position if you don't. So....even tho that d*ck leaned over the fence and taunted her I had to tell her not to bark at him. What can I say, some dogs are smarter than humans. "dogs are like children, they need a firm but loving hand". You do need to become the kind but firm leader. Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Standing in the kitchen it sprung up aiming for my right hand.Boy can that thing jump! there was no warnings.nothing. Out of nowhere she attacked,luckily I have fast reflexes and was not hurt. Although I was never actually bitten in the past, this is one of the many situations I almost was.
      What a dramatic story - of nothing happening. Jack Russells jump - for joy - because you have food in your hand - because there is food on the counter.....because it's Tuesday....

      You were not bitten for one reason - the dog wasn't trying to bite you.

      Trainer for the dog is a good idea but I think you need a lot more work than the dog. You aren't afraid of "animals" as you like cats. Dogs are easier to get along with than cats - dogs want you to like them, cats don't much care if you do.
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        What a dramatic story - of nothing happening. Jack Russells jump - for joy - because you have food in your hand - because there is food on the counter.....because it's Tuesday....

        You were not bitten for one reason - the dog wasn't trying to bite you.
        This.

        Any human that thinks they've got quicker reflexes than any dog, let alone a Jack Russell, is a little wrong.

        It's also funny because my dogs also give me no warning when they want to play, have a biscuit or they want a cuddle.

        In all fairness though, TAZ has enlisted a trainer that is for him so definitely it's a step in the right direction and I applaud him for that, that is taking action and making an attempt to face your fears.
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    If you watch the cynophobic person in the video I posted,
    you can see how real her fear is to her.
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      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      If you watch the cynophobic person in the video I posted,
      you can see how real her fear is to her.
      Yes I do appreciate that and apologise for my lack of compassion I just mean this issue still lies with the human, not the dog.
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        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Yes I do appreciate that and apologise for my lack of compassion I just mean this issue still lies with the human, not the dog.
        I was not singling you out, Richard.

        Seeing that person's fear makes it
        clear that this is not a simple issue.

        And definitely within the person.

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        • Profile picture of the author TAZ87
          The jack Russel thing, you could be right. Infact you probably are. I guess that's my perception of what happened. As I said I don't know anything about dogs so the only thing driving my conclusions are fear and lack of knowledge.
          I do love animals especially cats. I have kept many of them all my life. Only "pets" I would stay away from are stuff like snakes and tarantulas, just not for me.

          Thanks Glenda from Oz

          I have watched a few Cesar Millan's episodes on youtube. I think there is hope, I am noway near as bad as that woman in the video posted here. I think someone who knows what he is doing like a trainer I can work with without fear of anything going wrong because he knows his stuff.unlike say my dad holding it or whatever, its like blind men leading each other. Mentally I am ready for change to the better.
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      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post


      That's people who love dogs, not you. I think it's pretty obvious you don't love dogs. I was talking about people that do love them and some of them have no idea how to treat them (You can figure that out watching one episode of Mr Milans stuff). You have an irrational fear of them so it stands to reason you won't have a clue either.
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      A real dog trainer does more training of the humans involved with the dogs than training of the dogs. In some cases, the humans may be untrainable.

      A trainer does not train a dog to "like" a person or "respect" a person. The people who are living with the dog have to build that relationship. It's not just going to "happen" just because a dog has a trainer.
      As Cesar Milan often says, he rehabilitates dogs. He trains people.
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    Let us know how it goes with your training. Your dog is depending on you! and we are all in your corner TAZ.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I guess that's my perception of what happened.
      And, until you change it - perception is your reality. I get that.

      That's why I suggested sitting quietly observing the new dog's interaction with the rest of your family. Dogs don't have hands to get attention so they will use their mouths - doesn't mean they are trying to hurt you.

      It's interesting to watch how dogs think. I adopted a dog from the streets several years ago. He'd been abused so it took time to gain his trust. He was smart and quickly learned if I opened the front door he was NOT supposed to go running out and cruise through the neighborhood (we have leash laws here).

      So what he did was go out the doggie door into the fenced back yard - climb the fence - tour through the neighborhood - then come home, climb back over the back yard fence and come in through the doggie door.

      Dogs will try their best to do what you want them to do - the challenge is knowing how to tell them what you want so they can understand.
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post


        Dogs will try their best to do what you want them to do - the challenge is knowing how to tell them what you want so they can understand.
        This reminds me of my rottie when he was a young puppy. The very first day we brought him home, he tried to go to the bathroom on the carpet. Both my ex and I yelled "NO!". From that point on, he was house trained and never ever went inside again.

        The problem was, he didn't know where to go. He thought it was bad for him to go to the bathroom at all.

        For the next couple of weeks when he had to go, he'd walk around and just wimper. It took him some time to figure out it was OK for him to go outside. Then he's just go sit by the door and stare at us when he had to go.

        He was such a good dog. I've never had another like him.
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          That's sweet. It's easy to teach a good dog the wrong thing by mistake.

          Gracie - my "I'm not a pit bull for insurance purposes" dog was one of the easiest dogs to housebreak - took about two days. But my method was to take her out and after she "went" I'd bring her right back in and give her a treat.

          She quickly learned to go out the door, immediately turn around in the yard and come back in and wait by the treat jar.
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            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            That's sweet. It's easy to teach a good dog the wrong thing by mistake.

            Gracie - my "I'm not a pit bull for insurance purposes" dog was one of the easiest dogs to housebreak - took about two days. But my method was to take her out and after she "went" I'd bring her right back in and give her a treat.

            She quickly learned to go out the door, immediately turn around in the yard and come back in and wait by the treat jar.
            Every time he went outside we'd pour on the "good boy!", pet him and give him a treat. After a few weeks we'd just distract him when he came for the treat, like throw a ball, etc. After a short while, he forgot about the treat.

            Like I said it only took one "No!" to train him not to go inside. It took a little longer for him to learn it was OK to go outside.

            I'd like to brag it was our training methods, but the truth is, he was a very smart dog and wanted very much to please us and do the "right" thing.

            It's been a long time, but I still really miss him. Every time I went to the grocery store, I'd be sure to get him something too. After he was gone it took me three years before I could even walk down the pet aisle at the grocery store. If a store had motor oil in the same aisle as the pets, I'd have to go to another store if I needed a quart of oil.
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              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              Every time he went outside we'd pour on the "good boy!", pet him and give him a treat. After a few weeks we'd just distract him when he came for the treat, like throw a ball, etc. After a short while, he forgot about the treat.

              Like I said it only took one "No!" to train him not to go inside. It took a little longer for him to learn it was OK to go outside.

              I'd like to brag it was our training methods, but the truth is, he was a very smart dog and wanted very much to please us and do the "right" thing.

              It's been a long time, but I still really miss him. Every time I went to the grocery store, I'd be sure to get him something too. After he was gone it took me three years before I could even walk down the pet aisle at the grocery store. If a store had motor oil in the same aisle as the pets, I'd have to go to another store if I needed a quart of oil.
              Squeaky toy noises still get to me. My Husky passed away years ago.
              Late in life he loved to go for walks carrying those large tennis balls that squeak.

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      Originally Posted by Glenda from OZ View Post

      Let us know how it goes with your training. Your dog is depending on you! and we are all in your corner TAZ.
      Thanks, I am looking forward to it myself.

      She went to the vet today got all checked up and everything. There was a worry about her being under weight. vet said she was healthy and had an excellent coating whatever that means.
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        Originally Posted by TAZ87 View Post

        Thanks, I am looking forward to it myself.

        She went to the vet today got all checked up and everything. There was a worry about her being under weight. vet said she was healthy and had an excellent coating whatever that means.
        Apologies if I was harsh yesterday trying to get my message across TAZ but on a positive note, the fact you pretty much accepted the Jack Russell probably wasn't trying to bite you, the fact you're taking action and getting a trainer, the fact you love cats and other animals and the fact you're taking a keen interest in the dogs health means you probably stand an excellent chance of getting past this. Good for you. Good coating, over here anyway just means she has a healthy coat, as in fur. It's a good indicator of a dogs health.

        For the record I have the same issues with spiders as you do with dogs. Fortunately for me, tarantulas and the like are not quite as close to humans or as readily accepted into a family as dogs are.

        If spiders were mans best friend, I'd be exactly where you are.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          had an excellent coating
          He meant an "excellent coat" - in other words, good fur and healthy skin.
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            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            He meant an "excellent coat" - in other words, good fur and healthy skin.
            That's good. Her weight was a worry because she is pretty tall but not very fleshed out if you will. But vet she is healthy weight for a one year old.
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          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          Apologies if I was harsh yesterday trying to get my message across TAZ but on a positive note, the fact you pretty much accepted the Jack Russell probably wasn't trying to bite you, the fact you're taking action and getting a trainer, the fact you love cats and other animals and the fact you're taking a keen interest in the dogs health means you probably stand an excellent chance of getting past this. Good for you. Good coating, over here anyway just means she has a healthy coat, as in fur. It's a good indicator of a dogs health.

          For the record I have the same issues with spiders as you do with dogs. Fortunately for me, tarantulas and the like are not quite as close to humans or as readily accepted into a family as dogs are.

          If spiders were mans best friend, I'd be exactly where you are.
          No hard feelings, Yea I hate spiders too..that's one phobia I probably will not work on haha. I was in same room as the dog for 10 mins last night. she was too excited playing with bro she didn't come near me. I was calm no eye contact or touch as Cesar says.I left the room at around my "limit" so there is some progress.
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    I had a slender dog. Siberian Husky mix (as usual for me).
    You can usually leave food out as they tend to eat only
    what they need.

    People who don't know dogs would tell me that I need to feed her more...
    It was kind of a pain in the neck to explain how things really work and
    some people were rather confrontive.
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    The fact of the matter is you've been traumatized. As a kid i was bitten by dogs yes I said dogs. I use too get jumpy sometimes but thing changed as i got older. It's all about how you threat and act around you animal. I have a 100 pound pitbull that protects me and the rest of the family with his life especially the kids never seen nothing like this... Interact with your dog what happens might surprise you
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    • Profile picture of the author TAZ87
      Yea, That's pretty good you got through it and even got a pitbull out of all things.
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        Update:Soo..came downstairs bro had the dog out I tried my best to control my freaking out stayed calm. Dog jumped on my lap and started licking my face.She doesn't hate me..wow. I pet her and everything. It was hard staying calm and collected but I did it! I am now petting her.
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          Originally Posted by TAZ87 View Post

          Update:Soo..came downstairs bro had the dog out I tried my best to control my freaking out stayed calm. Dog jumped on my lap and started licking my face.She doesn't hate me..wow. I pet her and everything. It was hard staying calm and collected but I did it! I am now petting her.
          My vote for "Best Post of the Month"!

          You're on your way to having a new BFF.
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          Update:Soo..came downstairs bro had the dog out I tried my best to control my freaking out stayed calm. Dog jumped on my lap and started licking my face.She doesn't hate me..wow. I pet her and everything. It was hard staying calm and collected but I did it! I am now petting her.
          She's a beautiful dog. You're going to have a lifelong friend.
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenda from OZ
    Oh, she's beautiful. Well done TAZ. She just wants to be part of the family! Whats her name? You will be so glad you did this! Its wonderful for her. I don't know her story, but whatever, she's 1 year old and had to leave her home. Now she has a home for life.
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      Originally Posted by Glenda from OZ View Post

      Oh, she's beautiful. Well done TAZ. She just wants to be part of the family! What's her name? You will be so glad you did this! Its wonderful for her. I don't know her story, but whatever, she's 1 year old and had to leave her home. Now she has a home for life.
      This is Sasha, under a year the vet said. She is dare I say more friendly than my cats! she is very calm.She got excited when she seen the leash she knows its walkies time. She looked really sad, I think it was hunger because her bowl of dry food was pretty full. Once we took it out and filled it with wet food from the can she demolished it. Maybe her teeth aren't fully grown yet or something I don't know.
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    makes me smile....she's on the couch already
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    And she's already training/tricking her humans to feed her wet food.

    The thin dog I posted about earlier was also named Sasha.
    She would not eat dry food. Period. te he
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Well done TAZ, I'm really pleased for you and proud for you too. She is a beautiful dog and I'm really pleased you're taking such a positive view on this, not freaking out when she licked you in the face must have taken a lot of composure, I admire that a lot.

      Good for you and keep going down this road, I think you're going to really enjoy this.
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        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        My vote for "Best Post of the Month"!

        You're on your way to having a new BFF.
        A bot of an exaggeration but thanks

        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        She's a beautiful dog. You're going to have a lifelong friend.
        I hope so,she is very calm by nature.

        Originally Posted by Glenda from OZ View Post

        makes me smile....she's on the couch already
        oh yes, soon enough it won't fit us both. We will need a bigger couch lol

        Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

        And she's already training/tricking her humans to feed her wet food.

        The thin dog I posted about earlier was also named Sasha.
        She would not eat dry food. Period. te he
        hehe a friend told me to mix 1/4 wet with 3/4 dry food she will eat it then.

        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Well done TAZ, I'm really pleased for you and proud for you too. She is a beautiful dog and I'm really pleased you're taking such a positive view on this, not freaking out when she licked you in the face must have taken a lot of composure, I admire that a lot.

        Good for you and keep going down this road, I think you're going to really enjoy this.
        Yea,thanks. I guess it just happened. I fed her treats yesterday and tonight will take her for the first walk hopefully.When she gets excited I can't calm her down though,at least yet.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          I'm proud of you. It's not easy to overcome fear but often once3 you do - you wonder what on earth you were so afriad of.

          I love German Shepards - she's a pretty one and obvioulsy teaching her people how to spoil her rotten!
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            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            I'm proud of you. It's not easy to overcome fear but often once3 you do - you wonder what on earth you were so afriad of.

            I love German Shepards - she's a pretty one and obvioulsy teaching her people how to spoil her rotten!
            well she needs to be taught alot!she is terrible on the leash, good thing I walked her at midnight where is no traffic. I really think her previous owners never walked her.
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    Be sure to check out some of the monk's videos on Youtube:
    monks of new skete - YouTube

    IMO, the essention commands are:
    No
    Sit
    Stay
    Come
    Lay Down
    Heal
    Drop it
    Fetch

    Fetch is underrated, but it's such a great way to exercise your dog. A dog will burn far more calories and exercise more muscles chasing a ball than they will just taking a walk. Walks are great for them to explore, but they also need some more intense exercise.

    "Drop it" is another command that is underrated by many. But it's important for your dog's health (and obedience) that it will drop ANYTHING on command. To get a dog to open its mouth, place your forefinger and thumb behind the dog's canine teeth and gently but fimly apply pressure until the dog opens its mouth and drops what it has in its mouth.

    Drop it is also part of fetch training. Once dogs understand by fetching and dropping the ball (or stick or frisbee) that they'll be rewarded by you throwing the ball again, they'll play fetch all day.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      . I really think her previous owners never walked her.
      That may be. I'd suggest you run here for the first few blocks of a walk. She's young so energetic and that burns off some energy so she pays better attention.

      You and your dog should be walking together - neither of you jerking and pulling on the other. The first video below is using a clicker - which I don't use for training. But the basic premise is the same - treats - and stopping or walking the other way when the dog gets ahead of you.

      The turning and taking steps in the other direction (the last part of the video) works well and you can use it walking at night. Doing it in the daytime looks a bit silly as you walk this way and then that way.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFgtqgiAKoQ

      How to train your dog to stop pulling on their leash

      Never let the dog go out of the door in front of you. You are the leader - she waits while you exit and she FOLLOWS.

      Always be gentle with her - use treats rather than jerking on a leash or harsh words. Walks should be fun for both of you.
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        KURT: she destroyed the tennis ball from park day 1.she ran her tail off got home exhausted. Is there any cure for that? or will we just have to buy a new tennies ball everyday hmm
        Yea Park tires her out but unfortunatley our winters are the worst in Europe so while things are ok now.when the its dark by 4 and -6 degrees It will be hard taking her to park for fetching. I wish we had some cali weather or something more "normal". thanks for the links.

        KAYKING: Thanks for links. very interesting, Will try the techniques for sure. Yea I think I willtake her running with me eventually.when i am confident I have the situation under control and get usedto her a bit more.
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        • Profile picture of the author Glenda from OZ
          wow thats some tough weather. Still, some dogs love the cold weather, it makes them frisky as anything when they run in it. If thats what you've got then you'll have to bundle up and take her out! She will love it. Her coat will thicken up in the winter too.
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            Dogs love to play in the snow - though with those temps you might need to get her a sweater or a doggie coat. The cold tires them quickly so you won't have to keep her out long in cold weather to give her some exercise.

            Puppy teeth - and large dogs - can be rough on balls. My dog (a pit bull) has a favorite toy that lasts quite a while. It's this one - she loves anything that has a rope attached that she can swing around. (not affiliate link, of course)

            Amazon.com : Zanies 21-Inch Poly/Cotton Monkeys...Amazon.com : Zanies 21-Inch Poly/Cotton Monkeys...
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              Originally Posted by Glenda from OZ View Post

              wow thats some tough weather. Still, some dogs love the cold weather, it makes them frisky as anything when they run in it. If thats what you've got then you'll have to bundle up and take her out! She will love it. Her coat will thicken up in the winter too.
              PS I love thread. Its my fav. on WF! so heart warming
              yup,welcome to the 2nd windiest region in Europe. The cold itself and snow isn't a problem I actually like cold weather. Its the amazon like non stop rain and usual 100 miles wind. we have a massive park/field literally across the road but the government fenced it to charge soccer teams money for using it.Such a bummer, She could have been having a party now lol. Glad you liked it, maybe I will keep updating it,

              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              Dogs love to play in the snow - though with those temps you might need to get her a sweater or a doggie coat. The cold tires them quickly so you won't have to keep her out long in cold weather to give her some exercise.

              Puppy teeth - and large dogs - can be rough on balls. My dog (a pit bull) has a favorite toy that lasts quite a while. It's this one - she loves anything that has a rope attached that she can swing around. (not affiliate link, of course)

              Amazon.com : Zanies 21-Inch Poly/Cotton Monkeys Fist Knot Rope Dog Toy, Large, Multi-Color : Pet Toy Ropes : Pet Supplies
              I see and do you throw it like a ball for fetching or just let her play with it in the yard?
              we got something like this one but no ball any more obviously, it tired her out quick.

              Amazon.com: Yws Blue Dog Tennis Ball Chucker,...Amazon.com: Yws Blue Dog Tennis Ball Chucker,...
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                [QUOTE=TAZ87;9126540]Glad you liked it, maybe I will keep updating it,

                Please do TAZ. I for one would love to hear!
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                  Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

                  This is the kind my Husky liked: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/511toGiifSL.jpg
                  Regular tennis balls he tore apart like prey. These lasted a pretty long
                  time because they squeak and he liked to carry them in his mouth on walks.
                  I found an even cheaper version at Wal Mart.
                  If I find this one I will buy it too thanks.

                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                  I usually start play by tossing the rope toy but my dog ends up entertaining herself. She loves to run all around the yard pulling a toy on a rope and sometimes just spins in circles with them.
                  I found similar ones here, I will get one.

                  Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                  That looks like a good ball for a dog and similar to some I had in the past.
                  Its not cheap,it better be LOL
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                  Glad you liked it, maybe I will keep updating it,

                  Please do TAZ. I for one would love to hear!
                  I will


                  EDIT: walking the dog in the rain,will she be ok or will I need to buy her some sort ofcoatand dry her when she is back in the house?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Glenda from OZ
                    since shes on the skinny side and since its so cold it might be a good idea to do that. You will probably need to dry her off as well. I used to take mine out without a coat, but then again, it wasn't freezing weather by any means.
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                    • Profile picture of the author TAZ87
                      Originally Posted by Glenda from OZ View Post

                      since shes on the skinny side and since its so cold it might be a good idea to do that. You will probably need to dry her off as well. I used to take mine out without a coat, but then again, it wasn't freezing weather by any means.
                      ah! I think there is a misunderstanding.I am talking Celsius not Fahrenheit. So for example it will be 4 degrees tonight, that means 39.2 degrees for Americans.Still cold and rainy but not freezing. So yea how about now?
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                        Originally Posted by TAZ87 View Post

                        ah! I think there is a misunderstanding.I am talking Celsius not Fahrenheit. So for example it will be 4 degrees tonight, that means 39.2 degrees for Americans.Still cold and rainy but not freezing. So yea how about now?
                        Where are you in the world Taz?

                        Sounded like British weather but it's not too bad here this year so far.
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                        • Profile picture of the author TAZ87
                          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                          Where are you in the world Taz?

                          Sounded like British weather but it's not too bad here this year so far.
                          Yes mate indeed it is British weather haha
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          Originally Posted by TAZ87 View Post

          KURT: she destroyed the tennis ball from park day 1.she ran her tail off got home exhausted. Is there any cure for that? or will we just have to buy a new tennies ball everyday hmm
          Yea Park tires her out but unfortunatley our winters are the worst in Europe so while things are ok now.when the its dark by 4 and -6 degrees It will be hard taking her to park for fetching. I wish we had some cali weather or something more "normal". thanks for the links.

          Hi TAZ,

          I never liked tennis balls for dogs for that reason. Try to get a ball or two, and a special frisbee made just for dogs.

          Make sure the ball is too big to be swallowed. I gave my rottie a tennis ball once and it stuck in his throat. It was lucky that he got it out quick enough before he suffocated. I thought I was going to have to give him the heimlich maneuver.
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          • Profile picture of the author TAZ87
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Hi TAZ,

            I never liked tennis balls for dogs for that reason. Try to get a ball or two, and a special frisbee made just for dogs.

            Make sure the ball is too big to be swallowed. I gave my rottie a tennis ball once and it stuck in his throat. It was lucky that he got it out quick enough before he suffocated. I thought I was going to have to give him the heimlich maneuver.
            I just found these and a day version,they are expensive and big at 3" so hopefully they endure the beating.
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    This is the kind my Husky liked: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/511toGiifSL.jpg
    Regular tennis balls he tore apart like prey. These lasted a pretty long
    time because they squeak and he liked to carry them in his mouth on walks.
    I found an even cheaper version at Wal Mart.

    I am glad you are not cynophobic with this dog - hopefully all dogs.

    I do suggest learning more and more about canines, especially when you
    start letting her interact with other dogs. And, you have to learn the character
    of your dog. My male Husky did not like to share tennis balls, so we had some
    minor fight issues at the off leash dog parks we have here. (I would move him
    away from the dogs playing fetch.)

    Solo dogs also tend to be unable to share food, so that's something to consider
    when you are around other dogs and there is food or treats.

    My male Husky did not start fights, but he did not tolerate it when other dogs tried
    to hump him or dominate him or threaten him (as in herding breed dogs nipping at
    his back legs). His fuse became shorter as he got older. So, learning his behavior,
    I moved away from these situations.

    I also moved away from humans who did not handle their dogs considerately.
    Or, who could not physically control their dog. At this dog park I used to frequent,
    there was this older couple that had a young, female Great Dane. The woman
    had some physical impairment and could not physically control her dog.

    Almost all the experiences I have written about come from time at this local,
    off-leash dog park. Fortunately, it was large, had two fenced areas, and had
    outside trails I could take.

    Another thing I learned to do at this park was to break up dog fights. My guy
    I had a harness and I could control him. Sometimes though, other dogs would
    go at it and some owners would freeze and do nothing, or like the lady with the
    Great Dane - be unable to do anything. Most times all it took was my loudest
    and deepest "Knock it off". Sometimes I would grab the back legs of a dog
    and control him that way while the owner of the other dog(s) would get their
    own dogs under control.

    So get totally used to your dog and be aware of these other things as you interact
    more with other dogs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I see and do you throw it like a ball for fetching or just let her play with it in the yard?
      I usually start play by tossing the rope toy but my dog ends up entertaining herself. She loves to run all around the yard pulling a toy on a rope and sometimes just spins in circles with them.
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      • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I usually start play by tossing the rope toy but my dog ends up entertaining herself. She loves to run all around the yard pulling a toy on a rope and sometimes just spins in circles with them.
        Those rope toys are also good for a rousing game of tug of war.

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    Yes, dry her off. As for a coat, I'd say watch her to see
    if she is shivering. I would not automatically put a coat
    on her because their fur is natural insulation and a coat
    might actually make her too hot. Also, their physiology
    is different - so just keep an eye on her for signs of panting
    or shivering.

    Be aware that, for example, she might be able to handle
    45 degrees F when she is active, but not while resting
    on concrete while you're in the pub playing pool and drinking
    with Richard Van. (I actually almost got into a fight in a
    scenario like this. The guy would not put his shivering short
    haired hunting breed into his car, or go home.)
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      German Shepards have 'double coats'. That means they have long fur and underneath that there is a shorter, fluffy "coat".

      It helps insulate but her winter coat may not be enough to keep her warm - especially if she gets wet and is out in the cold. In the spring you will need to brush her coat every few days as she will shed the undercoat heavily for a couple weeks.

      Dogs that are young, thin or have not yet developed a heavy seasonal coat may be more comfortable with some covering on very cold days.
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    • Profile picture of the author TAZ87
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      Yes, dry her off. As for a coat, I'd say watch her to see
      if she is shivering. I would not automatically put a coat
      on her because their fur is natural insulation and a coat
      might actually make her too hot. Also, their physiology
      is different - so just keep an eye on her for signs of panting
      or shivering.

      Be aware that, for example, she might be able to handle
      45 degrees F when she is active, but not while resting
      on concrete while you're in the pub playing pool and drinking
      with Richard Van. (I actually almost got into a fight in a
      scenario like this. The guy would not put his shivering short
      haired hunting breed into his car, or go home.)
      she pants quiet alot anyway on walks and fetch, she is just winded right? or does it mean something else hmm

      UPDATE: guys I really appreciate all your help, I am like a sailor in middle of the sea who can't read a map lol.
      Things aren't going so smoothly I admit. I think I need to look for another trainer. Everytime he calls and postpones our session and she (and me!) need alot of training.She was about to hurt another dog yesterday for no reason, gladly the other dog's owner snapped her out of the red zone.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        She was about to hurt another dog yesterday for no reason,
        There was a reason - you may not know what it is. If is showing dog aggression (trying to attack another dog) - you need a better training right away but your dog had a reason that made sense to her! That can't be tolerated. Dogs usually like to meet each other and have their own method of approaching a new dog to introduce themselves. If she is trying to attack a dog she is being protective of you or her territory or is reacting from fear.

        If she is showing aggression during walks - she is in charge rather than you. It may be excitement rather than aggression but it's something a trainer needs to address with the dog and with you immediately. A trainer that doesn't show up isn't helping your dog - get a better trainer.

        Panting is normal. Dogs don't have sweat glands so they release heat by panting. Will do it during and after exercise, walks, etc. Normal behavior - remember to have water available at all times.

        especially Samoyed owners
        Depends on climate and on the breed. Some long hair breeds are more comfortable in hot weather if shaved/groomed. In wet or humid climates it can help keep skin healthy but shaving too closely can leave dog susceptible to sunburn.

        You would not shave a German Shepherd as their double coat provides insulation in hot and cold. It's breed specific grooming.
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        • Profile picture of the author TAZ87
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          There was a reason - you may not know what it is. If is showing dog aggression (trying to attack another dog) - you need a better training right away but your dog had a reason that made sense to her! That can't be tolerated.
          This was first time she done this,other times same place when there was many dogs around it was as if they weren't there.The dog she went after was pretty far away We winged the ball in the other direction to divert her attention when we seen the dog approaching but halfway her journey back with the ball she dropped the ball and sprinted to attack.
          you are right about the trainer, We contacted someone professional with 35 years of experience and won many awards. It is most likely our lack of experience (no experience!) is reflecting badly on the dog.
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          • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
            Originally Posted by TAZ87 View Post

            This was first time she done this,other times same place when there was many dogs around it was as if they weren't there.The dog she went after was pretty far away We winged the ball in the other direction to divert her attention when we seen the dog approaching but halfway her journey back with the ball she dropped the ball and sprinted to attack.
            you are right about the trainer, We contacted someone professional with 35 years of experience and won many awards. It is most likely our lack of experience (no experience!) is reflecting badly on the dog.
            Was it a small dog she went after?
            She may have thought it was prey.
            Huskies have that tendency with small dogs.
            I don't know enough about Shepherds.

            Or, was it another Shepherd?
            Some breeds do recognize the same breed
            and act differently than with other dogs.

            I saw a Malamute at a shelter and they told me he was
            fine - except very aggressive towards other Northern breeds
            such as Malamutes, Huskies, and Samoyeds. He did go
            crazy when he saw my Husky mix.

            I think that not all things are trainable and you just might
            need to be aware that's how your dog is, or other dogs are.

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            • Profile picture of the author TAZ87
              Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

              Was it a small dog she went after?
              She may have thought it was prey.
              Huskies have that tendency with small dogs.
              I don't know enough about Shepherds.

              Or, was it another Shepherd?
              Some breeds do recognize the same breed
              and act differently than with other dogs.

              I saw a Malamute at a shelter and they told me he was
              fine - except very aggressive towards other Northern breeds
              such as Malamutes, Huskies, and Samoyeds. He did go
              crazy when he saw my Husky mix.

              I think that not all things are trainable and you just might
              need to be aware that's how your dog is, or other dogs are.

              Dan
              It was smaller than her,not sure what breed but it is medium sized.Yea you are right but I won't know for sure until she recieve a at least some basic training. I got scared because she was so far away from me at this point to control her
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    Sounds like you're doing very well, Taz. It's really hard to be around a dog all the time and not lose your heart to it. It's funny how we're able to make things seem scarier in our heads than they are.

    I have one basic command for ya that Kurt forgot on his list. STOP. That one can save your dog's life. She's a working class dog and you can actually teach her anything you want her to know. Obedience training is an absolute necessity - but beyond that, just talk to her and she'll learn anything you put into context for her.

    As far as cold - some dogs can take a lot of it. I had one Rottie that I had to buy a fur coat to walk because he wanted his walk even when it got 20 below 0. By the time I got on enough layers to take him, I could barely move to keep up with him. Ricky, on the other hand, got cold very easily until he got well again. 40 degrees and he'd shake like a leaf. After he got well he liked a little bit of cold, but never extreme cold. You'll be able to tell if she gets cold outside so will know what temps she can take and can adjust her routine and buy her dog clothes accordingly.

    Anyway - I was really glad to come back and find that you are discovering how great having a dog can be.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Just curious, Kay, Sal, and anybody else who care to chime in.

    I've heard that you should not shave a long hair dog in the summer
    because their hair and fur also insulates them from the heat. Yet,
    I've met several people - especially Samoyed owners - who swear
    by shaving their dog to keep them cooler. What's your take?
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      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      Just curious, Kay, Sal, and anybody else who care to chime in.

      I've heard that you should not shave a long hair dog in the summer
      because their hair and fur also insulates them from the heat. Yet,
      I've met several people - especially Samoyed owners - who swear
      by shaving their dog to keep them cooler. What's your take?

      We shave our border collie and he seems much more comfortable in the summer. At full length, he spends most of his time in front of the fan. Shaved, he flops where he's pleases.

      It's the opposite with our boxer. He spends most of the year under a blanket. He doesn't like wearing a sweater, though. He feels that it emasculates him. He says the rottie across the street makes fun of him.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Dogs so different - just like people. When my son moved north where the winters are cold he had two large dogs.

        The Springer Spaniel loved to run out in the cold and snow - the golden/lab mix had no interest in being out in the cold at all.

        I had a sheltie (smartest dog ever) who used to get her red turtleneck sweater off the hook and bring it to me when it was time to take a walk. She loved her sweater.
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      UPDATE: A little bit of a bitter sweet one. ME and the dog are doing good. She listens really well to my bro. I walk her,play with her and feed her. She is the sweetest pet I've ever had.

      The bad news..the boss of the house decided she doesn't like her anymore and wants to sell her for profit! my brother is pissed and I am actually sad. At this point there is little we can do to keep her. She is not happy either. she is not allowed inside at all times,she is a very affectionate and social dog so thats making her miserable. Only thing I can do now is ensure she gets a good home and doesn't fall in the hands of those who will make her fight to death in illegal rings(which is VERY common in the UK).

      How things have changed..
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        UPDATE: A little bit of a bitter sweet one. ME and the dog are doing good. She listens really well to my bro. I walk her,play with her and feed her. She is the sweetest pet I've ever had.

        The bad news..the boss of the house decided she doesn't like her anymore and wants to sell her for profit! my brother is pissed and I am actually sad. At this point there is little we can do to keep her. She is not happy either. she is not allowed inside at all times,she is a very affectionate and social dog so thats making her miserable. Only thing I can do now is ensure she gets a good home and doesn't fall in the hands of those who will make her fight to death in illegal rings(which is VERY common in the UK).

        How things have changed..
        I will leave you with some snaps of us.
        What a sad thread. We were proud of the progress you made and now this. Another irresponsible dog owner who thinks pets are disposable. What a shame. I hope she finds a good home.
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        • Profile picture of the author TAZ87
          Originally Posted by Glenda from OZ View Post

          TAZ if you cant find anything that is 1000% suitable is it possible for you to take a trip with her to a German Shepherd Rescue or to take the steps that Richard mentioned. People will cross states to rescue a dog. If you can do some investigating you might find its possible to place her somewhere until she can be safely adopted.
          I just found out thereis a German shepherd only place. Working on getting their details now.

          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          What a sad thread. We were proud of the progress you made and now this. Another irresponsible dog owner who thinks pets are disposable. What a shame. I hope she finds a good home.

          yea...it's not the end yet, I will then have to get her out which will be met by resistance as she will not be sold as the "boss" wants so a battle on the horizon. wish me luck.

          Its mainly my brothers dog(he is most responsible of her walks food etc), he is literally in tears.I am sad she will have to go and that there is nothing I can do to stop it.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Please keep us informed. We've all sort of adopted this lovely pup and want to see her safe and happy.

            If finding a safe place means a battle at home - you and your brother need to fight the battle for her.
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            Originally Posted by TAZ87 View Post

            yea...it's not the end yet, I will then have to get her out which will be met by resistance as she will not be sold as the "boss" wants so a battle on the horizon. wish me luck.

            Its mainly my brothers dog(he is most responsible of her walks food etc), he is literally in tears.I am sad she will have to go and that there is nothing I can do to stop it.
            Sounds to me you already prefer the dog to the 'boss', your brother sounds like he does too.

            I don't know what this person is like. I'm assuming from what you said earlier she's your step Mum. What does your Dad think about all this? I assume he's about still (apologies if not, I'm just trying to find out more about your situation). Is the 'boss' violent at all?

            Really if I were you, I'd move heaven and Earth to save that dog and I'll do it again to get away from the boss before I became the new boss.
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            • Profile picture of the author TAZ87
              Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

              Sounds to me you already prefer the dog to the 'boss', your brother sounds like he does too.

              I don't know what this person is like. I'm assuming from what you said earlier she's your step Mum. What does your Dad think about all this? I assume he's about still (apologies if not, I'm just trying to find out more about your situation). Is the 'boss' violent at all?

              Really if I were you, I'd move heaven and Earth to save that dog and I'll do it again to get away from the boss before I became the new boss.
              He does nothing, boss makes all decisions hence why she is called the boss lol.
              Not violent but would do things that would traumatise a dog. I have to always check on the dog incase she gets any bright ideas like locking her in a shed (which happened and ended up badly)

              PS noone like the boss, all bosses are a**holes that's common knowledge!
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          • Profile picture of the author Glenda from OZ
            [QUOTE=TAZ87;9151918]I just found out thereis a German shepherd only place. Working on getting their details now.

            Thats great TAZ. Lets hope they will take her. you and other family members will need to take the dogs side against this uncaring person. This dog only has YOU. Just do what you have to do. lie cheat steal (only figuratively speaking her - but you get my point). The dog is so dependent on you and your brother right now. Tell that callous 'boss' what you want, but protect the dog and get it a safe place to live. I wouldn't forget this if I were you. Never let her have control over something you care about again.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Sorry - going to be blunt here.

      the boss of the house decided she doesn't like her anymore and wants to sell her for profit!
      So some fool decided they wanted a dog - and less than a month later they don't want a dog any more.

      The dog has adapted, been a loving pet, is a beautiful animal - and will now be abandoned or sold like a used chair.

      People like the "boss in your house" shouldn't be allowed to own living things. That dog deserves a 'forever home' where she'll be valued for her gentle nature.


      **Too bad you're not in the US - I'd take that dog in a heartbeat!
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      • Profile picture of the author TAZ87
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Sorry - going to be blunt here.

        So some fool decided they wanted a dog - and less than a month later they don't want a dog any more.

        The dog has adapted, been a loving pet, is a beautiful animal - and will now be abandoned or sold like a used chair.

        People like the "boss in your house" shouldn't be allowed to own living things. That dog deserves a 'forever home' where she'll be valued for her gentle nature.


        **Too bad you're not in the US - I'd take that dog in a heartbeat!
        I know..believe me, I don't want her to go.But it is BEST for her to go..she is not safe her..the "boss" is emotionally and mentally kinda unstable. I don't want the dog to get hurt and I can't always be around.

        It's true what they say about stepmothers..
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          In that case - help find a GOOD home where she will be safe.
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenda from OZ
    please don't let her get another dog- she is completely irresponsible. This is a bad deal for your poor dog.

    instead of selling her for profit why not try German Shepherd Rescue Vigil GSD Rescue or google one for your area.
    Selling the dog doesn't guarantee a good home. Unless you interview people and find out if they have had dogs, what happened to their dogs, that kind of thing. I really feel bad for this dog. Any UK warriors out here that can take this poor baby?
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      I have one very old golden retriever and another younger one who is fiercely protective of the older one. At the elder ones age, it wouldn't be fair or possible for me to take her on personally.

      I will look about and contact today specific German Shepherd clubs and contact some reputable breeders to see if they can shed some light. There's also an animal rescue place near me that I used to work at briefly many years ago. They look after the dogs and walk them with a primary aim of finding them good homes. They're an alternative to the RSPCA who I'm not sure I'd leave a dog with any more.

      There's another issue though, where is TAZ? Not much use me doing this if he's up in Scotland or something. It would be quite easy for TAZ to do the same. Probably easier than selling her too.

      Regarding getting the dog over a burglary and then wanting to sell it a month later for profit when TAZ is making an effort to get over a serious fear, well, probably best I bite my tongue for change.
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      • Profile picture of the author TAZ87
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        I have one very old golden retriever and another younger one who is fiercely protective of the older one. At the elder ones age, it wouldn't be fair or possible for me to take her on personally.

        I will look about and contact today specific German Shepherd clubs and contact some reputable breeders to see if they can shed some light. There's also an animal rescue place near me that I used to work at briefly many years ago. They look after the dogs and walk them with a primary aim of finding them good homes. They're an alternative to the RSPCA who I'm not sure I'd leave a dog with any more.

        There's another issue though, where is TAZ? Not much use me doing this if he's up in Scotland or something. It would be quite easy for TAZ to do the same. Probably easier than selling her too.

        Regarding getting the dog over a burglary and then wanting to sell it an month later for profit when TAZ is making an effort to get over a serious fear, well, probably best I bite my tongue for change.
        Not as far as Scotland but you are pretty close Richard,unfortunately I am not on the mainland. A friend of mine worked with shelters extensively and I asked her for a trust worthy list of them to contact.she is young and pretty her chances of a better life are high, I am optimistic. She is crazy, it might pop in her head to get a bloody horse next who knows..god have mercy on us all lol
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    • Profile picture of the author TAZ87
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      In that case - help find a GOOD home where she will be safe.
      Originally Posted by Glenda from OZ View Post

      please don't let her get another dog- she is completely irresponsible. This is a bad deal for your poor dog.

      instead of selling her for profit why not try German Shepherd Rescue Vigil GSD Rescue or google one for your area.
      Selling the dog doesn't guarantee a good home. Unless you interview people and find out if they have had dogs, what happened to their dogs, that kind of thing. I really feel bad for this dog. Any UK warriors out here that can take this poor baby?
      I am not going to sell her, she left it to us to sell(it will be our little secret RICHARD,she thinks i have her on sale sites) . I have collected a bunch of local shelters numbers that are trust worthy and will ring them up for re-homing. Otherwise she will end up dead in a fighting ring. It's the least and unfortunately most I can do.
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    I wish I could go face to face with her and tell her exactly what I think of her. She should be put in a cage if she thinks of owning another animal. Her problems shouldn't be an innocent animal's problems.
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    • Profile picture of the author TAZ87
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I wish I could go face to face with her and tell her exactly what I think of her. She should be put in a cage if she thinks of owning another animal. Her problems shouldn't be an innocent animal's problems.
      If it wasn't illegal I would have done alot of things trust me:rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenda from OZ
    TAZ if you cant find anything that is 1000% suitable is it possible for you to take a trip with her to a German Shepherd Rescue or to take the steps that Richard mentioned. People will cross states to rescue a dog. If you can do some investigating you might find its possible to place her somewhere until she can be safely adopted.
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenda from OZ
    Hope you are having some luck TAZ
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    • Profile picture of the author TAZ87
      ok guys here is an update. I found the centres contact details+contacted them etc. But on the domestic front I am pushing to keep her..I guess the only way I will know 1000% she is safe is when she with me..still pushing. Got a good trainer who is willing, who actually trained German shepherds for the army! he is on standby once the dog's fate is confirmed. There is hope yet.
      Resorting to creative techniques..videoing her sitting inside quiet and obedient and many others.
      fingers crossed
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenda from OZ
    Good for you TAZ. Sounds like your stepmother needs standing up to. I hope you can make her see reason and come around. Pretty impressive you have found someone of that caliber to help train her. Hmmm....if you cant keep her, that person might know someone being a shepherd trainer an all. One thing to consider - when and if you move - will you be able to take the dog with you?
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    • Profile picture of the author TAZ87
      Originally Posted by Glenda from OZ View Post

      Good for you TAZ. Sounds like your stepmother needs standing up to. I hope you can make her see reason and come around. Pretty impressive you have found someone of that caliber to help train her. Hmmm....if you cant keep her, that person might know someone being a shepherd trainer an all. One thing to consider - when and if you move - will you be able to take the dog with you?
      He retired long ago and works in retail now. BIG incident tonight..anyway the trainer is coming thank god. I can not take her I am afraid,even if I could I can't because its my bros dog he is "the owner" I am stepping in only because he failed to do anything for the dog, I thought he would be able to deal with HIS own mother. I was wrong, is it due to young age or no backbone? I don't know.
      But what I do know is I am this dog's last hope(at least thats how I feel). we rung owners last week to return her they said its not their problem now bla bla.
      New info: Bro told me today that previous owners neglected her in favour of the "new younger" pup they had there apparently. so it seems to me they are not responsible pet owners themselves. They get the dog for a year dump him and get another baby because its cute and repeat. So sad..
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenda from OZ
    what happened in the big incident? I'm glad you got someone who knows german shepherds well. they are really smart loyal dogs. really hate it that all this has happened Taz, with all the work you've done. people who just get rid of dogs and replace them with new cuter ones shouldnt be allowed to own animals.
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    • Profile picture of the author TAZ87
      Originally Posted by Glenda from OZ View Post

      what happened in the big incident? I'm glad you got someone who knows german shepherds well. they are really smart loyal dogs. really hate it that all this has happened Taz, with all the work you've done. people who just get rid of dogs and replace them with new cuter ones shouldn't be allowed to own animals.
      She went crazy I couldn't control her, I was alone with her. Neighbours almost made noise complaint etc. A bit of a drama baby mama moment but its all ok now. The thing I lack the most is the ability to calm her down when her excitement escalates and fast!
      I had to travel out of the country but the the trainer is still coming I will miss the first few sessions I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author jellygator
    Taz it sounds like you're making great progress already!

    You will have to learn how to be the dog's boss instead of the other way around. I suspect that if dogs have attacked you, it's because they sense that they are stronger than you and they naturally want to make sure you understand your position in the pack. You'll be learning how to show them that YOU, not they, are in charge.

    I love dogs, but when I was younger, I had my share of troubles with them.

    First, a German Shepherd tried to attack me while I was riding my bicycle past its house. I kept kicking at it and it gave up without ever getting a good hold on me, thank heavens.

    Then when I was a teen, a Doberman bit me when I visited my friend's house. No idea why!

    But I got a big lesson when I was around 25 y.o. I was walking near some woods when three feral dogs appeared out of the trees and started acting like they were going to attack. I froze. Every time I tried to take a slowwww step away, they would charge forward a few steps. I finally realized that they were NOT going to just let me walk away, and I'd be in trouble if I turned my back on them. I was scared to death, but I had no choice but to find a way to make them leave me alone. I figured if they were going to maul me, I'd have to at least hurt one of them badly before the others would leave me alone. I picked the one that seemed like the lead dog, and charged him. I was screaming and waving my arms and just running toward him. I ran maybe 5-6 steps before they bolted away!

    That was my biggest lesson in how to not be victimized by dogs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      She went crazy I couldn't control her,
      Dogs don't "go crazy". If she is overly energetic it means she's not getting enough exercise. You can't keep a large, active dog in a small space and expect them to be quiet, peaceful place holders.

      I'm beginning to worry about the poor dog. Your posts are "got dog" - "fear dog" - "like dog" - "getting rid of dog"....

      We've been hearing about trainers for two weeks or so. No trainer is going to help until the dog spends time with the trainer and that doesn't seem to be happening.

      You need to either insure a decent home for this dog - or FIND a decent, safe home for her. I don't care who she officially "belongs to" - all in the house are responsible for her treatment.

      Sorry - but I don't like to see animals at risk and I get the feeling this dog is at risk. I apologize if I'm wrong about that.

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      • Profile picture of the author TAZ87
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Dogs don't "go crazy". If she is overly energetic it means she's not getting enough exercise. You can't keep a large, active dog in a small space and expect them to be quiet, peaceful place holders.

        I'm beginning to worry about the poor dog. Your posts are "got dog" - "fear dog" - "like dog" - "getting rid of dog"....

        We've been hearing about trainers for two weeks or so. No trainer is going to help until the dog spends time with the trainer and that doesn't seem to be happening.

        You need to either insure a decent home for this dog - or FIND a decent, safe home for her. I don't care who she officially "belongs to" - all in the house are responsible for her treatment.

        Sorry - but I don't like to see animals at risk and I get the feeling this dog is at risk. I apologize if I'm wrong about that.

        kay
        I wrote a lengthy reply to this but you know something..I don't have to explain myself.
        This thread is done at least as far as I am concerned.
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenda from OZ
    Wish you all the best TAZ. I think you've done an awesome job for the situation you are in - and I see that you are doing all YOU can for the dog. She is lucky she has you at this point. I sincerely hope it all works out, as I know you do too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      So I take it that's the end of Taz and the dog.

      That's a great shame as so many people were trying to help.
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      • Profile picture of the author TAZ87
        To those who care, the dog was re-homed today to an older man who already has a German shepherd and had two dogs before.
        Since I am out of town I had no chance to say goodbye but I will never forget "my first dog" even if it was so brief, No more of the tale remains.

        The End
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenda from OZ
    Thanks TAZ87 I am so very very glad that you manged to find a good home for this dog. And I really respect all the efforts you made - especially since this whole situation was forced on you. You are a good guy TAZ87, Thank you for letting us know. The dog was lucky to have you on her side. All the best. Glenda
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    • Profile picture of the author TAZ87
      Originally Posted by Glenda from OZ View Post

      Thanks TAZ87 I am so very very glad that you manged to find a good home for this dog. And I really respect all the efforts you made - especially since this whole situation was forced on you. You are a good guy TAZ87, Thank you for letting us know. The dog was lucky to have you on her side. All the best. Glenda
      Hey Glenda, I am so relieved. I know she is somewhere better where she can be happier. The fact that its an older and hopefully wiser man than a young lad(more likely to be less responsible) who already has&had dogs makes me feel at ease. I will miss her though..

      You flatter me Glenda, I did nothing out of the ordinary. It all paid off in the end, I am happy it did! at times I wasn't so sure it would.
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