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Indeed ... I was thinking this, the other day.

Some of the early theories were on a par for credibility with those delusions about Google penalties for duplicate content. :p :rolleyes:

I suspect that by the time they discovered with any confidence what the correct search-area really was, it was close to the time for the signal transmission from the "black box" to be fading out - they're supposed to last about a month, I think? But it also turned out that most of that area was far deeper than anywhere where a plane has been lost before, too? And deeper than where a black box signal has ever been heard before, of course ...

How long did it take to locate that Air France flight that went down in the Southern Atlantic a few years ago? This is going to take longer, surely, because the search area is less well defined and the ocean deeper?

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Richard Van 12 years ago

Thanks Alexa,

It was just odd the way it went so quiet.

As for the conspiracy theories, well, you can't stop that. You have a point though, in the area they said it was in, I doubt they'll find it fast.

What was funny is that on all the films and TV nonsense, they can pick out a small apple from a satellite and drop a mouse on it.

Planes on the other hand don't seem to appear on satellite until you look through the records for a few days.

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- Alexa Smith Banned 12 years ago
  
  Thank you, M'Lud.
  
  Originally Posted by Richard Van
  
  What was funny is that on all the films and TV nonsense, they can pick out a small apple from a satellite and drop a mouse on it.
  
  Or indeed vice-versa (though they can also have animal charities after them, if they do it that way round).
  
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  tagiscom 12 years ago
  
  Conspiracy theory's??? :rolleyes:
  
  No, l never mentioned UFO's as a reason once!
  
  More likely though is it has broken into several pieces and some of the main pieces, took quite a long time to sink.
  
  So the black box could still be picked up!
  
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seasoned

12 years ago

Well, RL DID get a big kick about the way that don lemon presented the idea of black holes!!!!

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whateverpedia

12 years ago

There was a documentary on ABC TV (4Corners) down here that claimed the plane was shot down in the South China Sea as part of joint US/Thai war games.

Then there's the theory it was getting too close to Diego Garcia and was shot down as a precaution.

It all seems so suspicious that I don't think we'll ever find out what really happened.

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seasoned

12 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

There was a documentary on ABC TV (4Corners) down here that claimed the plane was shot down in the South China Sea as part of joint US/Thai war games.

Then there's the theory it was getting too close to Diego Garcia and was shot down as a precaution.

It all seems so suspicious that I don't think we'll ever find out what really happened.

YEAH.NONE of this was handled right. The ODD thing is that someone likely DOES know but can't come forward because giving the information could show an overlap with enemy airspace and start an international incident. I bet C* knows what happened!

This happened in such a place which means it was either shot down, or someone tried to hijack it. In either event, they KNEW that the search would be frustrated. The erratic behavior of the plane could have been due to turbulence or damage and the autopilot's method of handling it. It is still conceivable that the crew had no time to respond.

By now, all the obvious wreckage could have been cleaned up or sunk. The plane could have been disassembled. The idea that the plane could ever have been used in international waters covertly is a pipe dream. The manufacturer would be known, and most countries would INSIST on a flight plan and transponder. They don't just LET you fly over airspace or land/takeoff. The US is now supposed to, for planes inside US borders, atleastin the lower 48, after the 9/11 incident, have a policy to have jet fighters escort such planes to the nearest capable airport, and demand that they land.

SO, as a plane, that plane is not very usable.

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sbucciarel

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Not only did the plane vanish but media coverage seems to have done the same.

How long can they drag out coverage of nothing to report? I'm glad the coverage has ceased. The plain is gone. The passengers are gone. Nothing has been found. Everything else is rumor.

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Richard Van

12 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

There was a documentary on ABC TV (4Corners) down here that claimed the plane was shot down in the South China Sea as part of joint US/Thai war games.

Then there's the theory it was getting too close to Diego Garcia and was shot down as a precaution.

It all seems so suspicious that I don't think we'll ever find out what really happened.

It's the US/Thai thing I heard as well but little else. I agree though, this will take a long time.

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

How long can they drag out coverage of nothing to report? I'm glad the coverage has ceased. The plain is gone. The passengers are gone. Nothing has been found. Everything else is rumor.

About 4 or 5 weeks.

They reported virtually nothing for approximately that long.

I just meant, we did hear when they did searches, now we don't. I thought perhaps they'd called off the search but that wasn't mentioned.

Sorry to drag it up for you again Suzanne.

I mentioned this because of what happened here with bird flu. I watched for months as it relentlessly made it's way across Europe, we were all told this could be a pandemic, it was front page news all that time and then it happened. A dead swan was found in Scotland, dead from bird flu. We were all told to brace ourselves then...

Same thing happened. Never a heard another thing about it ever since. Bugger all. Nothing.

Forgive me, I was just curious.

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sbucciarel

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Originally Posted by Richard Van

Sorry to drag it up for you again Suzanne.

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Same thing happened. Never a heard another thing about it ever since. Bugger all. Nothing.

Forgive me, I was just curious.

Nothing to forgive. I just got tired of hearing "news" reported that said basically nothing found.

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Kurt

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

It's the US/Thai thing I heard as well but little else. I agree though, this will take a long time.

About 4 or 5 weeks.

They reported virtually nothing for approximately that long.

I just meant, we did hear when they did searches, now we don't. I thought perhaps they'd called off the search but that wasn't mentioned.

Sorry to drag it up for you again Suzanne.

I mentioned this because of what happened here with bird flu. I watched for months as it relentlessly made it's way across Europe, we were all told this could be a pandemic, it was front page news all that time and then it happened. A dead swan was found in Scotland, dead from bird flu. We were all told to brace ourselves then...

Same thing happened. Never a heard another thing about it ever since. Bugger all. Nothing.

Forgive me, I was just curious.

The last I heard was the searches were called off. This was after the best-case life span of the batteries for the black box. Plus, major searches are very expensive, so it isn't feasible to keep them going forever.

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Richard Van

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

The last I heard was the searches were called off. This was after the best-case life span of the batteries for the black box. Plus, major searches are very expensive, so it isn't feasible to keep them going forever.

Cheers Kurt,

That was what I couldn't find, that they'd officially called it off.

Suzanne, I stand corrected, there really is nothing to report at all.

Well, not that we know of anyway.

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tagiscom

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

I mentioned this because of what happened here with bird flu. I watched for months as it relentlessly made it's way across Europe, we were all told this could be a pandemic, it was front page news all that time and then it happened. A dead swan was found in Scotland, dead from bird flu. We were all told to brace ourselves then...

Same thing happened. Never a heard another thing about it ever since. Bugger all. Nothing.

Forgive me, I was just curious.

Yep, we get the usual, latest cold virus spreading through Australia, and the standard number of people that will die from it!

But for relatively healthy people it will just suck for a while, and that is it!

The media always hype it up, to sell more newspapers or as you have said, do another boring 1 hour special, full of scientists theory's!

But in this instance it gets worse, there is word of a movie!

It seems to be in the alternative niche, but still a full length movie! Bad taste considering people are still grieving, and that it is specializing the available facts!

The Vanishing Act Trailer - Cannes 2014 - YouTube

More info, is here....

Missing Malaysian Flight MH370 movie gets first trailer | Metro News

I didn't watch it myself, because it is a bit like doing a remake of Towering Inferno, just after 9/11.

Pitiful way to make a buck! :rolleyes:

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Kay King 12 years ago

You can still get almost daily updates if you watch CNN - which is one reason I totally stopped watching CNN. That network seems to have gone to the side of "heart wrenching tragedies" and abandoned news for the most part.

What became clear was the searchers aren't even sure they are looking in the right place or the right ocean. The little sub thing was damaged by the searchers and the expensive search was stopped until someone decides where to look next.
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whateverpedia

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

The last I heard was the searches were called off. This was after the best-case life span of the batteries for the black box. Plus, major searches are very expensive, so it isn't feasible to keep them going forever.

No it hasn't been called off. Australian, Malaysian and Chinese (possibly others, not sure) authorities are still looking.

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Richard Van 12 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

No it hasn't been called off. Australian, Malaysian and Chinese (possibly others, not sure) authorities are still looking.

I guess with so many countries, some have and some haven't and as they're all separate nations I guess there won't be anything 'official' anyway.

Thanks for that Whatever.
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seasoned

12 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

No it hasn't been called off. Australian, Malaysian and Chinese (possibly others, not sure) authorities are still looking.

So it is like when my place was robbed. The police decided to IGNORE ME! They threw away ALL the evidence, some I PERSONALLY handed them AT THE STATION!!!!! They waited until witnesses left and/or lost the ability to back things up with film, receipts, etc...(I found a witness for them that got a commission on over $700USD, where the average is on $50, STATED BY A COWORKER OF THEIRS!!!!!!) and when the witnesseshad ample time to forget everything.

THEN, they had the AUDACITY to tell me what you you just said here!

"Your case is 'open but inactive'"

In other words..... "We haven't closed the case, it is merely cold, and we will keep looking and track these people down."

I went to the station AGAIN, and it was like a who's on first episode! They said I should come to the station next time. I told them I DID! They said the people using the card likely just bought the cards. I told them it was STILL a FELONY, and they could probably lead the police to the thieves.

So YEAH, open but inactive.

HEY, LAPD!!!!!!! It has been over 20 years! I haven't forgotten!

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Kay King

12 years ago

In this case the cost alone is so high it makes sense to stop for a bit and reconsider and look at what evidence is real and what is conjecture and then proceed. Australia has paid much of the search cost but don't know how long that will continue.

Steve - Sometimes life ain't fair but you just have to let it go. 20 years is too long to focus on "stuff".

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

In this case the cost alone is so high it makes sense to stop for a bit and reconsider and look at what evidence is real and what is conjecture and then proceed. Australia has paid much of the search cost but don't know how long that will continue.

Steve - Sometimes life ain't fair but you just have to let it go. 20 years is too long to focus on "stuff".

OK, then let's close the LAPD! THAT would make me happy! GEE, I have seen cases were people run thousands of miles away, change their names, looks, and even citizenship and the "authorities" don't stop looking for THEM after a few decades.

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whateverpedia 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Australia has paid much of the search cost but don't know how long that will continue.

The Australian government has just allocated another AU$97 million to the search mission.
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  Originally Posted by whateverpedia
  
  The Australian government has just allocated another AU$97 million to the search mission.
  
  Nice. I spent a week in Bunbury, Australia a long time ago. Great peeps over there and one of my favorite places that I have visited.
  
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Aussie_Al

12 years ago

Actually funny you post this as I have started to see more coverage in the last few days with the previous Malaysian Prime Minister coming out and declaring that someone knows what happened to the plane and it didn't crash

They are also questioning the original pings again and blaming the Malay Air force for not reacting (sending jets up etc) when they noticed the plane was off course

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Kay King

12 years ago

One thing this plane affair convinced me of - I have no interest in going to or living in Malaysia.

someone knows what happened to the plane and it didn't crash

That kind of talk makes him look like a fool. He was slow to accept help and has been complaining about the help received.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Aussie_Al

Actually funny you post this as I have started to see more coverage in the last few days with the previous Malaysian Prime Minister coming out and declaring that someone knows what happened to the plane and it didn't crash

They are also questioning the original pings again and blaming the Malay Air force for not reacting (sending jets up etc) when they noticed the plane was off course

Originally Posted by Kay King

One thing this plane affair convinced me of - I have no interest in going to or living in Malaysia.

That kind of talk makes him look like a fool. He was slow to accept help and has been complaining about the help received.

Those comments were made by Mahathir Mohamad, an ex-prime minister and virtual dictator. Quite a few people in Malaysia believes that the disappearance of the plane was engineered by the CIA in order to sow discord between Malaysia and China.

Malaysia practiced a racial discriminatory policy since the 70's where people of the Malay get reserved university places and jobs in the civil service. With this kind of policy, you are never going to get top people in the government and civil service.

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Originally Posted by Richard Van

Not only did the plane vanish but media coverage seems to have done the same.

CNN ran out of psychics, astrologers, witches, clairvoyants and mental defects.

And whatever happened to that 'terror mosque' at Ground Zero? That was all the rage for a few months, too.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

CNN ran out of psychics, astrologers, witches, clairvoyants and mental defects.

And whatever happened to that 'terror mosque' at Ground Zero? That was all the rage for a few months, too.

Cheers. - Frank

There is a list of such "End of the world..we have to be upset.... sound bites".

I listened to a comedian, Alonzo Bodden, rattle them off at the climax of his act. It was funny, but also reminded me of our short attention span, and our ability to panic over everything, and anything.

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bravo75

12 years ago

I wish they would have stopped bloody talking about it before I had to fly to Canada.

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Richard Van 12 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

And whatever happened to that 'terror mosque' at Ground Zero? That was all the rage for a few months, too.

Cheers. - Frank

I remember that mosque, that's another vanishing bit of news.

Originally Posted by bravo75

I wish they would have stopped bloody talking about it before I had to fly to Canada.

Then some dickhead on a public forum brings it back to memory. Sorry Bravo. Have you flown yet or are you there safely now?
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- Kay King 12 years ago
  
  CNN had yet another Don Lemon special just a couple days ago about this missing plane. Poor head of CNN is having trouble letting go of the story.
  
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  CNN had yet another Don Lemon special just a couple days ago about this missing plane. Poor head of CNN is having trouble letting go of the story.
  
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12 years ago

Welcome to Malaysia everyone

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whateverpedia

12 years ago

Now it turns out that it isn't even in the part of the Indian Ocean it was supposed to be.

MH370: Australia rules out main search zone | World news | theguardian.com

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Kay King 12 years ago

It shouldn't be surprising. The evidence was stretched to fit the media insanity.

In something like this most of the "trails" lead to nothing - many of the "leads" are false leads and investigators have to wade through a lot of false info to find the reality.

In the rabid coverage of this missing plane every smidgeon of 'fact' was "breaking news" - whether relevant or not.
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