Solar Freakin Roadways?

HeySal

12 years ago

Yes. Absolutely. Lets get it done.

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seasoned

12 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Over 8 million views...

Solar FREAKIN' Roadways! - YouTube

For more info go here...

Solar Roadways - Introduction

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solar-roadways

Solar Roadways - FAQ

I could think of SO many reasons why people would look at the above. HECK, I probably gave it 2 or 3 views. Doesn't mean I like the idea. I see too many problems with it.

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alistair

12 years ago

I think that although the idea makes sense, it's a bit unrealistic, and probably a bit late.

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Ron Lafuddy

12 years ago

With the amount of money needed right now, just to do basic repairs to existing roadways, bridges and infrastructure, this has no chance.

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travlinguy

12 years ago

How about capturing wasted kinetic energy? Go national and then global with this, put millions of people to work and reduce the use of fossil fuel by more than half. Nah, it couldn't be that easy...

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seasoned

12 years ago

Originally Posted by travlinguy

How about capturing wasted kinetic energy? Go national and then global with this, put millions of people to work and reduce the use of fossil fuel by more than half. Nah, it couldn't be that easy...

Road Power Generator - YouTube

At least it doesn't require changing roads, or the surface. And they don't want every square foot!

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ThomM

12 years ago

Combine the roads with solar panel windows.
You would have an excess of very low cost electricity and eliminate the majority of pollution problems.

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HeySal

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Combine the roads with solar panel windows.
You would have an excess of very low cost electricity and eliminate the majority of pollution problems.
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I thought that's what the OP video was doing.

I like the idea of our roads being energy sources - that's what I'm all for. I don't care if they can "program" them or not, but using them as energy generators is a great idea. We HAVE to get off of water powered electricity generation.

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ThomM

12 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I thought that's what the OP video was doing.

I like the idea of our roads being energy sources - that's what I'm all for. I don't care if they can "program" them or not, but using them as energy generators is a great idea. We HAVE to get off of water powered electricity generation.

Here it's natural gas powered electricity generation.
Water would be an improvement

Electric bills went through the roof this winter and National grid said they are going to go up again this summer.

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HeySal

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Here it's natural gas powered electricity generation.
Water would be an improvement

Electric bills went through the roof this winter and National grid said they are going to go up again this summer.

They go up much more and people are going to be stripping our forests to survive pretty soon - the place will look like Haiti before too long. I'm just stunned there isn't a movement to kick any politician in bed with big oil out the door yet.

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Ron Lafuddy

12 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

We HAVE to get off of water powered electricity generation.

States are broke. Don't look for changes anytime soon.

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whateverpedia

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Ron Lafuddy

With the amount of money needed right now, just to do basic repairs to existing roadways, bridges and infrastructure, this has no chance.

Originally Posted by Ron Lafuddy

States are broke.

Is anyone starting to see the folly of 30 years of tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts yet?

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Ron Lafuddy

12 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

Is anyone starting to see the folly of 30 years of tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts yet?

Nope. Couldn't see it. I was blinded by the insanity of out-of-control spending.

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TLTheLiberator 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Ron Lafuddy

Nope. Couldn't see it. I was blinded by the insanity of out-of-control spending.

By who and when?

I'd love to hear your thoughts.
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ThomM

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Ron Lafuddy

Nope. Couldn't see it. I was blinded by the insanity of out-of-control spending.

Just the billion + we've given the Ukraine could of been used to install solar roads and solar windows.
Then add in the money from cutting subsidies to corporate agriculture and the oil companies.
In fact if we stopping sending financial aide to all countries and focused that money at home we could do projects like the solar roads and solar windows.

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Ron Lafuddy

12 years ago

"In fact if we stopping sending financial aide to all countries and focused that money at home we could do projects like the solar roads and solar windows."

Hey, I think you're on to something. We might even be able to fix the current roads just as they are.
Not to mention crumbling bridges and overpasses, train overpasses and crossings.
Also, 100+ year old water and sewer lines that inhabit most cities.
I like your thinking

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Ron Lafuddy

"In fact if we stopping sending financial aide to all countries and focused that money at home we could do projects like the solar roads and solar windows."

Hey, I think you're on to something. We might even be able to fix the current roads just as they are.
Not to mention crumbling bridges and overpasses, train overpasses and crossings.
Also, 100+ year old water and sewer lines that inhabit most cities.
I like your thinking

I wonder how much of the federal budget do you think goes to foreign aide?

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ThomM 12 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

I wonder how much of the federal budget you think goes to foreign aide?

37+ billion in 2012.
How far could that go in building solar roads?
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  Also how much would it save the country over time in just the upkeep of the power grid, not to mention it would secure the grid.
  Then there's the environmental impact and it's effects on cutting greenhouse gas emissions (estimated at up to 75%).
  
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  By the way our current budget for transportation is around 50 billion and that also cover air and rail.
  So 37+ billion just dedicated to solar roads would go a long way. Not to mention the money saved in snow plowing and salting would be a biggie for states and local governments. Then you could also eliminate any lighting problems at night on roads and sidewalks, which would also cut state and local govt. costs.
  Then you have ways money could be made off the roads like charging stations for electric vehicles, advertising in business parking lots.
  
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BigFrank

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

I wonder how much of the federal budget do you think goes to foreign aide?

Outside of true, verifiable humanitarian aid, anything over $1 is way too much.

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TLTheLiberator

12 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

Outside of true, verifiable humanitarian aid, anything over $1 is way too much.

Cheers. - Frank

Not trying to change your mind about the value of foreign aid but here's a colorful chart to help everyone understand exactly what we're doing with about 1% of the federal budget.

http://www.financedegreecenter.com/foreign-aid/

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Not trying to change your mind about the value of foreign aide but here's a colorful chart to help everyone understand exactly what we're doing with about 1% of the federal budget.

OK. You changed my mind on almost all of it, except:

Afghanistan, Egypt, Iraq, Pakistan and most of all, Israel.

First off, the first four are totally corrupt governments that as I stated in another thread, have their hand out to grab our dollars while at the same time rejecting our ideals and values and with the other hand they literally and/or figuratively attempt to slit our throats. Screw them all. I would say that they should be bombed back to the stone age, but they are already third-world, toilet nations that are not far removed from the stone age.

And Israel? What a joke. This is a nation that says that they are prepared to do whatever is necessary to protect their country while at the same time stating that they can do it without America's approval or involvement. They have a national stance that they don't need the U.S for anything. Fine. Then stop taking our money. The Israeli lobby in the U.S. is extremely powerful and god help the elected representative that utters a single word that questions anything that the Israeli government says or does.

Additionally, while I did not see India on that list I would be repulsed to discover that we financially support a country that allows men to gang rape and murder girls that have not even reached their teens and hang them from trees while absolutely nothing is done about it. While the world may be filled with horrific practices by many peoples, this ranks very high on the list and it needs to change immediately. The civilized world as a whole should completely ostracize this nation in every single way that is humanly possible.

So, yes - you changed my mind in a big way. Whenever I am enlightened with relevant and verifiable facts, I tend to evolve on most issues. That's what progressives, do. lol

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TLTheLiberator

12 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

OK. You changed my mind on almost all of it, except:

Afghanistan, Egypt, Iraq, Pakistan and most of all, Israel.

First off, the first four are totally corrupt governments that as I stated in another thread, have their hand out to grab our dollars while at the same time rejecting our ideals and values and with the other hand they literally and/or figuratively attempt to slit our throats. Screw them all. I would say that they should be bombed back to the stone age, but they are already third-world, toilet nations that are not far removed from the stone age.

And Israel? What a joke. This is a nation that says that they are prepared to do whatever is necessary to protect their country while at the same time stating that they can do it without America's approval or involvement. They have a national stance that they don't need the U.S for anything. Fine. Then stop taking our money. The Israeli lobby in the U.S. is extremely powerful and god help the elected representative that utters a single word that questions anything that the Israeli government says or does.

Additionally, while I did not see India on that list I would be repulsed to discover that we financially support a country that allows men to gang rape and murder girls that have not even reached their teens and hang them from trees while absolutely nothing is done about it. While the world may be filled with horrific practices by many peoples, this ranks very high on the list and it needs to change immediately. The civilized world as a whole should completely ostracize this nation in every single way that is humanly possible.

So, yes - you changed my mind in a big way. Whenever I am enlightened with relevant and verifiable facts, I tend to evolve on most issues. That's what progressives, do. lol

Cheers. - Frank

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Since it's only 1% of the total federal budget I don't have a problem with foreign aid.

We were originally paying Egypt and Israel not to fight each other and that's not going to happen anymore so the aid IMHO can be rescinded - ...

...especially since Israel has 3 nuclear subs and can take care of themselves and Egypt has slid back into a military dictatorship - after trying democracy for less than a year.

Israel sure does have a powerful lobby.

Iraq, if we hadn't marched in there I'd be against that aid also but we did.

Pakistan, we need to keep tabs on them and help them keep their nukes out of the hands of the bad guys - so IMHO the aid is justified.

I don't know how long the present gov will be able to survive in Afghanistan after we leave and the Indians can take care of themselves.

BTW...

I count myself as a progressive also.

If this nation would simply say (via the tax code) to the already wealthy and large corps...

You had a very good run over the last 30 years and have piled up lots of assets but from here on out - the gravy train stops.

IMHO...

We need to jack up that top rate to about 45% and close all those extra gravy loopholes in the tax code and this nation will have plenty of funds (probably 300-600 billion yearly) to do whatever we want to return to a robust middle class based economy - and It won't hurt the general economy if this happens.

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Ron Lafuddy

12 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

We need to jack up that top rate to about 45% and close all those extra gravy loopholes in the tax code and this nation will have plenty of funds (probably 300-600 billion yearly) to do whatever we want to return to a robust middle class based economy - and It won't hurt the general economy if this happens.

The politics of envy.

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BigFrank

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Originally Posted by Ron Lafuddy

The politics of envy.

More like the politics of fairness, common sense and the preservation of a declining nation.

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Ron Lafuddy

12 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

More like the politics of fairness, common sense and the preservation of a declining nation.

Taking what belongs to someone else, in the name of "fairness" is theft.

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BigFrank

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Ron Lafuddy

Taking what belongs to someone else, in the name of "fairness" is theft.

Sorry. That's bogus. Trite cliches won't fix the problem that our nation faces and are usually voiced by those who have nothing, never will, yet choose to protect those that keep them in that position.

The day is rapidly approaching when you'll be forced to eat the bumper sticker that your slogan is printed on. When that day comes, LMK how it tastes. Bon appétit!

Cheer. - Frank

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Ron Lafuddy

12 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

Sorry. That's bogus. Trite cliches won't fix the problem that our nation faces and are usually voiced by those who have nothing, never will, yet choose to protect those that keep them in that position.

The day is rapidly approaching when you'll be forced to eat the bumper sticker that your slogan is printed on. When that day comes, LMK how it tastes. Bon appétit!

Cheer. - Frank

What You earn, is Yours.

What I earn, is Mine.

It's a simple concept, really.

I learned it as a child.

About that same time, I also learned that if you take something that belongs to someone else, that's called stealing.

There are laws against stealing, you know.

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BigFrank

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Ron Lafuddy

What You earn, is Yours.

What I earn, is Mine.

It's a simple concept, really.

I learned it as a child.

And apparently you never learned to grasp concepts that require an adult's perspective to understand. Probably home schooled.

About that same time, I also learned that if you take something that belongs to someone else, that's called stealing.

Asking those that have done well for decades while others are falling behind is not stealing. It's called paying your fair share which benefits the nation as a whole, including the rich.

Obviously you subscribe to the concept of, "I've got mine, so screw you and yours."

There are laws against stealing, you know.

If I have to explain it, again, I'd only be wasting my breath.

Enjoy your greed!

Cheers.

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TimPhelan

12 years ago

Good grief! Every country in the world has taxes. Even Somalia now.

"The Remissness of our People in Paying Taxes is highly blameable; the Unwillingness to pay them is still more so. I see, in some Resolutions of Town Meetings, a Remonstrance against giving Congress a Power to take, as they call it, the People's Money out of their Pockets, tho' only to pay the Interest and Principal of Debts duly contracted. They seem to mistake the Point. Money, justly due from the People, is their Creditors' Money, and no longer the Money of the People, who, if they withold it, should be compell'd to pay by some Law.

All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it.
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Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Good grief! Every country in the world has taxes. Even Somalia now. )

Good grief. Now you've done it. Quoting one of the founding fathers and the most intelligent man of his generation.

The madness never ends with you, does it???

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TimPhelan

12 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

Good grief. Now you've done it. Quoting one of the founding fathers and the most intelligent man of his generation.

The madness never ends with you, does it???

Cheers. - Frank

Haha. Ben would be called a socialist or communist in today's over the top political rhetoric, along with another of my favorite founding fathers Thomas Paine who was in favor of a system similar to social security and even a guaranteed income.

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Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Haha. Ben would be called a socialist or communist in today's over the top political rhetoric, along with another of my favorite founding fathers Thomas Paine who was in favor of a system such as social security and even a guaranteed income.

That's quite enough out of you for one day, Pinko!

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Ron Lafuddy

12 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

Asking those that have done well for decades while others are falling behind is not stealing. It's called paying your fair share which benefits the nation as a whole, including the rich.

But you aren't advocating "asking", you're advocating "taking", aren't you?

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Originally Posted by Ron Lafuddy

But you aren't advocating "asking", you're advocating "taking", aren't you?

Too, funny. If you have to ask someone to do what's right for their country, the battle is already lost.

People do the right thing because it's the right thing to do, without being asked or told.

I'm simply advocating for a fair tax structure where the wealthiest Americans get to pay more than the 13% they actually wind up paying and the largest corporations pay more than 0% which is what they pull off with some of them getting millions of dollars back in refunds beyond the 0%.

If you think that's fair and the way to build a prosperous middle class, good for you.

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TLTheLiberator 12 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

More like the politics of fairness, common sense and the preservation of a declining nation.

Cheers. - Frank

And folks that claim we'll kill the golden goose have absolutely no historical proof of that claim.

I know its a different economy, but when the top tax rate was 90% the U.S. economy boomed and living standards were the highest in world history.

I'm not saying we need to go back to 90% but a few more percentage points on the top rate and also very importantly closing those gravy loopholes won't hurt the general population and will enable us to have the funds necessary to rebuild the nation.

Most of these types don't even want to close all the gravy loopholes in the tax code and at the same time most of them claim to be national debt hawks.

At this time in the nation's history... (and any other time for that matter as far as I'm concerned)

- Is it fair that money earned via investments be taxed at a much lower rate than money earned lifting bricks - perhaps there was a time but that time is well past as their investments by and large have nothing to do with the general economy.

- Is it fair that industries that are already very profitable still get gravy tax breaks?

- Is it fair or sensible that a secretary pay a higher tax rate than someone who makes a million dollars?

- Is it fair that corporations be allowed to pretend they make money overseas to avoid paying taxes on that money here?

- Is it fair to keep all this crap in the tax code as the nation struggles to recover from the great recession and rescinding these tax breaks in the tax code will not affect the general economy - except in a positive way.

"Trickle down economics" has dominated this country since the 1980s and look at the results.

The proof is in the pudding.
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12 years ago

That's killing the golden goose - except it wouldn't work.

Try to tax US businesses into the ground - and they will cease to be "US businesses". It's a big world and a lot of countries are happy to take in businesses formerly based in the US.

Years ago, economists warned of unions that were negotiating high pay and protecting shoddy workmanship on US-made cars. They were ignored - and foreign car makers took a huge share of the business. Those companies ended up building factories here - in right to work states.

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ThomM

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

That's killing the golden goose - except it wouldn't work.

Try to tax US businesses into the ground - and they will cease to be "US businesses". It's a big world and a lot of countries are happy to take in businesses formerly based in the US.

Years ago, economists warned of unions that were negotiating high pay and protecting shoddy workmanship on US-made cars. They were ignored - and foreign car makers took a huge share of the business. Those companies ended up building factories here - in right to work states.

Our GDP has just been downgraded AGAIN.
With GDP Downgrade, Obama's Growth Gap Reaches $1.31 Trillion - Investors.com
So yeah lets hike taxes on the businesses that produce American made products, that will help

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Originally Posted by ThomM

Our GDP has just been downgraded AGAIN.
With GDP Downgrade, Obama's Growth Gap Reaches $1.31 Trillion - Investors.com
So yeah lets hike taxes on the businesses that produce American made products, that will help

Do your research. It's easy to discover the fact that GDP has always done better under the D presidents as opposed to the R presidents. That's just a historical fact of political and economic life.

If you need me to explain the reason why GDP declined in the last quarter, even though I'm not a trained economist, OK, I will. One word - WEATHER!!!

When it compensates and rises due to moderating weather patterns across the US in the next quarter, please return to post a link stating that fact at the end of that period. I won't hold my breath waiting for you to do so. Some folks only post doom and gloom as it's all they know how to respond to.

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ThomM

12 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

Do your research. It's easy to discover the fact that GDP has always done better under the D presidents as opposed to the R presidents. That's just a historical fact of political and economic life.

If you need me to explain the reason why GDP declined in the last quarter, even though I'm not a trained economist, OK, I will. One word - WEATHER!!!

When it compensates and rises due to moderating weather patterns across the US in the next quarter, please return to post a link stating that fact at the end of that period. I won't hold my breath waiting for you to do so. Some folks only post doom and gloom as it's all they know how to respond to.

Cheers. - Frank

Right it's the weathers fault, lol.
I was never a fan of Regan but even under his rule the GDP never dropped below 3%.
By the way, the GDP has dropped again, in fact it's projected to be in the minus column.
The article I posted was from Feb. Heres one from May 30 of this year.

The Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) announced the economic contraction on May 29. The previous BEA announcement on April 30 showed first-quarter US growth slowed to just 0.1 percent, a huge slowdown. GDP dropped from 2.6 percent fourth-quarter growth to 0.1 percent.
The BEA blamed the “collapse in growth” on a drop in exports and domestic investment, ABC, NBC Ignore GDP Plummet, Again | Media Research Center

But hay lets blame it on the weather, it can't possibly have anything to do with economic policies.

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Originally Posted by ThomM

Right it's the weathers fault, lol.

Absolutely. If you don't think that weather affected housing starts, transportation, retail sales, gas and oil production, coal extraction and a host of other economic indicators then you were living in Costa Rica for the past 6 months without a TV.

I was never a fan of Regan but even under his rule the GDP never dropped below 3%.
By the way, the GDP has dropped again, in fact it's projected to be in the minus column.
The article I posted was from Feb. Heres one from May 30 of this year.

I made a statement that you chose to ignore and the reason you did so is because you know my statement is 100% correct, otherwise you would have refuted it in bold and all caps. lol

But hay lets blame it on the weather, it can't possibly have anything to do with economic policies.

Not in the way you view economic policies which is if Obama so much as breathes on it it's a failed, life destroying, socialist plot to fundamentally change the trajectory of America. You know it and I know it. Let's not make believe that's not what most of your economic knowledge is rooted in other than right wing sources.

Have a great day - and how's the weather???

Cheers. - Frank

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

I was never a fan of Regan but even under his rule the GDP never dropped below 3%.

I think you forgot the recession from July 81 to November 82.

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BigFrank Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

I think you forgot the recession from July 81 to November 82.

There you go, again - interjecting facts. lol

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ThomM

12 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

I think you forgot the recession from July 81 to November 82.

No I didn't, but he still had a GDP at or above 3%.
I'll also admit the the GDP has historically been better under a democrat president then a republican one, remember I'm not a fan of either party.
But the fact is the The GDP started to go down after Clinton and has gotten worse under Obama.
Bush's avg. GDP was just a little over 1%, Obamas is under 1%.
In fact it's the worse it's been in around 60 years.

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TimPhelan 12 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

No I didn't, but he still had a GDP at or above 3%.

Nope. The most common definition of a recession is at least two consecutive down/negative quarters of GDP. The recession in the early 80s lasted about a year and a half. No quarters above 3% at all and 5 or 6 below 0%.
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ThomM

12 years ago

Actually I was wrong about Regan, his ave. GDP was 2.65%
This chart covers all the presidents from Hoover to Obama (2011). • Per-capita GDP growth by U.S. president from Hoover to Obama | Statistic

Even Carter had better GDP numbers then Obama.
But I guess there wasn't any weather when Carter was president.

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Originally Posted by ThomM

But I guess there wasn't any weather when Carter was president.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Oh, did someone say something? No! My mistake.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Even Carter had better GDP numbers then Obama.

Well, he hasn't had a lot of cooperation Thom. I think you will have to admit that one.

This congress will down in history as the do nothing obstructionist Congress whos main goal, besides obstruction, was to make Obama a one term President which they failed to do.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Well, he hasn't had a lot of cooperation Thom. I think you will have to admit that one.

This congress will down in history as the do nothing obstructionist Congress whos main goal, besides obstruction, was to make Obama a one term President which they failed to do.

No he hasn't and when you say Congress's goal is obstruction I'm sure you're being honest and including both the house and senate.
By the way how much cooperation did Carter get?
If I remember right, the republicans in congress vowed he would be a one term president and succeeded in making it happen and that was in a democrat controlled congress.
I liked Carter, I thought he was a good, honest man. In fact I still have no regrets voting for him.
Clinton was under investigation for what? 7 years?
I voted for Clinton twice and still don't regret that either.
I didn't think he was the greatest president we ever had, but out of those running at the time I felt he was the best choice.

But back to my point. Congress obstructing the president is nothing new. It happened with Carter and Clinton and I'm sure others.

So what have we now? A house leader who won't work with the senate or pres. and claims they won't work with him.
A pres. who won't work with the house leader and says the house leader won't work with him and a senate leader who has come out and said he won't work with the republican house. None of that is taking what's best for the American people and country into account even though both sides claim they are.

The problem isn't the GDP being less then 1%. The problem is making excuses. They all need to man up except responsibility and work on finding a solution.
And no I don't think raising taxes on the wealthy is the solution. That doesn't fix any problems, it just pays for them.
People talk about the wealthy paying their fair share and then set a tax rate higher then everyone else. Their fair share would be the same rate as everyone else. If you have to pay 10% of $10,000 that's $1,000. If they have to pay in 10% of $100,000 that's $10,000. So just by having a fair tax rate of 10% they are paying in what you are paying on.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Even Carter had better GDP numbers then Obama.

Carter never had a Global Financial clusterfvck to deal with.

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TLTheLiberator 12 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

Carter never had a Global Financial clusterfvck to deal with.

You're 100% right.

Since the beginning of the 20th century the world has had two truly "Global Financial Clusterfvcks" to deal with - The Great Depression and The Great Recession and unfortunately we just happen to be living through the aftermath of one of them.

Carter had absolutely nothing like the great depression or the great recession to deal with.

The historical amnesia and/or lack of historical perspective of some is truly amazing but very, very typical.
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

Carter never had a Global Financial clusterfvck to deal with.

No he had his own issues he had to deal with.

Many other countries are showing a raise in their GDP for the first quarter of 2014. Even Latvia had a 2.8% increase.
I believe the GDP went up in your country for the 1st. quarter of this year also.
Mean while we're experiencing a collapse in growth giving the country the lowest GDP since Hoover.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

I believe the GDP went up in your country for the 1st. quarter of this year also.

The 2nd quarter and the rest of the year are looking pretty grim though. The government has just released an "austerity" budget for which there is no need. Consumer confidence is down by the biggest drop in a long time. We're heading for the first recession we've had since 1993.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

The 2nd quarter and the rest of the year are looking pretty grim though. The government has just released an "austerity" budget for which their is no need. Consumer confidence is down by the biggest drop in a long time. We're heading for the first recession we've had since 1993.

We weren't to bad, but the first quarter of 2014 shows the worst performance in three years.

The downturn in the percent change in real GDP primarily reflected a downturn in exports, a larger decrease in private inventory investment, and downturns in nonresidential fixed investment and in state and local government spending that were partly offset by an upturn in federal government spending. United States GDP Growth Rate | Actual Data | Forecasts | Calendar

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TLTheLiberator

12 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

Do your research. It's easy to discover the fact that GDP has always done better under the D presidents as opposed to the R presidents. That's just a historical fact of political and economic life.

If you need me to explain the reason why GDP declined in the last quarter, even though I'm not a trained economist, OK, I will. One word - WEATHER!!!

When it compensates and rises due to moderating weather patterns across the US in the next quarter, please return to post a link stating that fact at the end of that period. I won't hold my breath waiting for you to do so. Some folks only post doom and gloom as it's all they know how to respond to.

Cheers. - Frank

Frank, it's not just GDP it's also...

All the historic economic data shows they lose real big when it comes to...

- Job creation

- Poverty elimination

- Lower Inflation

- Upward mobility

- Income Inequality Management

- National debt management.

(Note: until Obama, 90% of the national debt since 1980 was generated when they controlled the POTUS and it can be argued he inherited a awful situation in which the national debt would have grown no matter who was the POTUS)

- Preventing major financial crashes on their watch.

I give you two major economic calamities - the Great Depression and the Great Recession which both happened when one of them was POTUS.

Even... (this one surprised me)

- Stock Market growth.

(even if you subtract the dismal records of Hoover and Bush2 from the equation)

- They have even hired way more people to work for the federal government than the Dems and they claim to be the party of small government.

The numbers are not even close in many, many categories. Not even close.

If you get the chance, check out the book...

"They're not even close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010"

It's chock full of economic data in all sorts of categories to prove that...

... some people and their economic philosophy are a real danger to the living standards of the American people.

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Kay King 12 years ago

And folks that claim we'll kill the golden goose have absolutely no historical proof of that claim.

Detroit.....
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- TLTheLiberator 12 years ago
  
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  Detroit.....
  
  Apples To Oranges...
  
  Detroit problems stem from a multitude of reasons and a primary one being that lots of folks left the "taxing jurisdiction" of Detroit and simply moved to the surrounding suburbs - so Detroit lost a lot of its tax base.
  
  But...
  
  Where are the wealthy of this country going to go if top tax rates are raised another 5-6 percentage points from where they are now?
  
  They can move to another state in an attempt to lower or eliminate their state tax rate but the federal tax rates for them will remain the same.
  
  And...
  
  Anyone claiming, eluding or hinting that the wealthy of America will leave the country in droves over a raise in top tax rates to say 45% has no grasp on American economic reality.
  
  Once again there is no historical proof that lower top tax rates lead to better economic growth (GDP) when in fact the data shows the opposite.
  
  It looks like the golden goose was alive and well during times of the highest top tax rates.
  
  As far as the corporate tax rate is concerned, it can stay the same but those gravy tax giveaways in the tax code should be eliminated and anyone who claims to be concerned about the economic health of the country should concur.
  
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Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Since it's only 1% of the total federal budget I don't have a problem with foreign aid.

It's still a ton of money and as long as we need so much done here at home, I say that all expenditures be gone over with a fine toothed comb. Much of that money is spent poorly, even if classified in a well intentioned manner. We have no idea where most of that money goes after we write the check. I'm sure the 'skim' is quite heavy.

We were originally paying Egypt and Israel not to fight each other and that's not going to happen anymore so the aid IMHO can be rescinded - ...

Totally, agree!

...especially since Israel has 3 nuclear subs and can take care of themselves and Egypt has slid back into a military dictatorship - after trying democracy for less than a year.

Israel sure does have a powerful lobby.

Totally, agree.

Iraq, if we hadn't marched in there I'd be against that aid also but we did.

Sorry. The fraud and waste is incalculable. We ship pallets of US currency in C130 transport planes, hand it over by forklift and after that, we have absolutely no idea how much of it is stolen. This needs to end, immediately.

Pakistan, we need to keep tabs on them and help them keep their nukes out of the hands of the bad guys - so IMHO the aid is justified.

Totally, bogus! Yes, we need to keep tabs on them, but throwing billions of $$ at them does not accomplish that goal. That's what our intelligence agencies are for. Plain and simple. Not another penny!

I don't know how long the present gov will be able to survive in Afghanistan after we leave

I don't either and I don't really care. They had their shot. Let the different factions kill each other until there's no one left. No loss, whatsoever. They're one step above cave dwellers.

and the Indians can take care of themselves.

Too bad they can't take care of protecting their women. Shameful.

BTW... I count myself as a progressive also.

So - it's you and I against the world? lol

If this nation would simply say (via the tax code) to the already wealthy and large corps... You had a very good run over the last 30 years and have piled up lots of assets but from here on out - the gravy train stops.

Yikes. Trying to employ common sense? That'll get you a fan club.

IMHO... We need to jack up that top rate to about 45% and close all those extra gravy loopholes in the tax code and this nation will have plenty of funds (probably 300-600 billion yearly) to do whatever we want to return to a robust middle class based economy - and It won't hurt the general economy if this happens.

Agreed - and all the corporations should be forced to return the trillions of dollars held offshore to this country where we can tax the living crap out of it. Screw this 'tax amnesty BS.'

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GarrieWilson

12 years ago

Even if it's just used on new roads and sidewalks it could help.

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Kay King

12 years ago

I'd say test it on parking lots - parks and play areas - sidewalks....and see how it works in practice.

It looks very pricey and never mentions where funding is to come from or what the cost is per mile.

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Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

It looks very pricey and never mentions where funding is to come from or what the cost is per mile.

Heaven forbid that we should spend any money to improve our lives at any level.

The funding is easy.

1. End oil and gas subsidies.

2. Make them pay drilling fees where they currently don't. Talk about a giveaway. Totally obscene.

3. Tax coal out the ass.

4. End all farm subsidies.

5. End military campaigns rooted in folly.

6. Tax billionaires on their passive income 'til their eyes bleed. You know - the 'job creators." Blood-sucking parasites.

7. Allow states that want to secede to do so and keep all the federal dollars that they currently receive. Talk about a 'win-win."

I have more if you need them, but that should do, nicely.

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Kay King 12 years ago

Right - that ends any chance of an interesting conversation.
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  Right - that ends any chance of an interesting conversation.
  
  Yeah - it's always a drag when realistic proposals get in the way of negativity and a lack of vision rooted in tired thinking.
  
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TLTheLiberator

12 years ago

Originally Posted by BigFrank

Heaven forbid that we should spend any money to improve our lives at any level.

The funding is easy.

1. End oil and gas subsidies.

2. Make them pay drilling fees where they currently don't. Talk about a giveaway. Totally obscene.

3. Tax coal out the ass.

4. End all farm subsidies.

5. End military campaigns rooted in folly.

6. Tax billionaires on their passive income 'til their eyes bleed. You know - the 'job creators." Blood-sucking parasites.

7. Allow states that want to secede to do so and keep all the federal dollars that they currently receive. Talk about a 'win-win."

I have more if you need them, but that should do, nicely.

Cheers. - Frank

I think Kay was talking about how that company plans to fund itself. (I think)

But on a national level, you're right Frank, there's a whole lot of extra gravy giveaway money in our tax code going to already well heeled folks and industries.

I hear its at least 200-400 billion per year and maybe lots more and the nation can do a lot of good for the nation with that type of yearly money - properly invested in a multitude of ways.

Hey, since the street's activities have been such a danger to the living standards of average Americans, I'd also like to see a small Wall Street transaction tax that I hear could raise at least 50 billion a year.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I'd say test it on parking lots - parks and play areas - sidewalks....and see how it works in practice.

It looks very pricey and never mentions where funding is to come from or what the cost is per mile.

They say the panels will pay for themselves and regarding funding for the company...

They said this on their FAQ page...

A question was...

This is such a great idea. Don't you hear from investors who express interest in investing in your project?

Why are you asking for help on Indiegogo?

Their reply... (on their FAQ page)

Yes, we do receive interest from people who want to invest or buy stock. Our Advisory Board advised us early on not to accept small investments, and we have various fears about loss of control that can come with bringing in a large investor. We hesitate to go public (sell stock), because we'd then be answering to stock holders who might want us to move our manufacturing overseas, along with all of the jobs we'll create.

We will complete our contract with the Federal Highway Administration in July and will need to begin considering investors at that time, if we are unable to raise enough money through Indiegogo to prevent that need.

The idea to launch a crowdfunding campaign came to us from so many supporters that we looked into it.

We have always been concerned about protecting our vision to implement this in the way that we think will have the most benefit: creating American jobs rather than outsourcing and then adding manufacturing facilities in other countries.

That way we could help the economies everywhere providing many thousands of jobs. We have a vision for the way our facilities will be - campus like - with a positive atmosphere.

We want to use as many recycled materials as we can and keep our manufacturing process as green as possible. We could go on, but you get the picture.

If we can raise enough funds here, we won't have to take on an investor and we won't have to worry about losing our focus. If you like our vision and want to help, we'd be honored to have you in our corner.

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12 years ago

Sigh, it seems that when it comes to the environment, logic and common sense get thrown out the window.

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Kay King 12 years ago

Thank you - that's what I was trying to say though I didn't have anything more than my own common sense. The whole idea sounds great - but doesn't fly for me.
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- lanfear63 12 years ago
  
  I watched that debunking video to halfway until I got fed up with that smug voice.
  
  How about no new ideas, no technical innovation, yes, lets leave it all as it is, use gasoline/oil and coal and have no liveable world left due to runaway co2 emissions.
  
  So while the points raised were perfectly valid and true, rather than just poo poo the idea, did the guy say, well we don't need the lights but lets just have these durable panels along the side of the road, on pedestrian walkways, on buildings. Lets build houses with them as part of the walls. No big trucks going over them then. Localized power with no real transmission problems.
  
  Lets have improved electric cars with some panels on them to supplement them a bit.
  
  How about saying great idea though not practical as is. and be constructive with your arguments.
  
  The house down the road from me has old panels on one side of his roof and pays no electric bills.
  
  If you mass produce anything you can get the cost down, like flat panel tv displays for example. Dirt cheap now.
  
  America is so huge, you could also/or build solar collector areas that could at least supplement energy consumption against fossil fuels. Put them just outside towns. Put that together with the houses having them as well.
  
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  tagiscom 12 years ago
  
  Yep, and the poor would be going to remote areas, with a crowbar!
  
  Already happening in AU, with people constantly ripping copper out of train line boxes, etc!
  
  Good idea, but it could only work, if these things were either very cheap, gutless, (need a lot to power something) or were on private property only!
  
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  Nope. It's not only you.
  
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Banned 12 years ago

Maybe a better idea would be to use them as roofing shingles. That way you could make cool light shows at night.

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12 years ago

Pretty cool, I like it

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Banned 12 years ago

Lol this thread went from solar highways to politics.

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Lol this thread went from solar highways to politics.

More like the politics of why we'll never see solar highways in the near future. Mention the word, 'solar,' you've entered the world of politics.

Everything in life has politics attached to it some way, shape or form.

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12 years ago

I think the idea is pretty cool!

However I doubt we'll see solar roadways anywhere in the near future...

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