Leaders and Followers

by gareth
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Why are there leaders and followers ?

The question most often asked is why are most people sheep ?

I thought about this last night while meditating and the answer became clear.

My writings may not be so clear so please give it a little thought.

First of all we must agree that this is an evolved phenomenon that is not unique to our species.

But our species is intelligent so why do we still behave in this way and how has it come to be ?

Its actually quite simple.

Humans learn in two ways. Imagining and mimicking.

The human capacity to imagine and visualize is very advanced - a properly conditioned person can visualize entire environments and events vividly and even distort the sense of time.

Other mammals can probably do the same as they dream just as humans do.

Despite this we are discouraged from infancy to mimic rather than imagine. This is culturally universal.

This is not the reason why most are followers but is a clue.

1. Leaders have more desire and vision than followers.

2. People differ in their desires and visions.

3. Most human desire and hence human vision is unfortunately maladaptive.

Hence there is conflict.

Not only is there conflict but there is disaster when disfunctional dreams are fullfilled by delusional people.

Hence society has evolved to avoid conflict and disaster by creating mostly mimickers.

This avoids conflict and it is safer for the majority to follow than to risk pursuing a disasterous disfunctional vision.

Human leaders compete to determine whos desire and vision are not only the strongest but are also the least maladaptive.

This is not ideal but it is how the world has evolved.
  • Profile picture of the author CTABUK
    So Gareth, let's see if I've got this right. You go into a field and you say 'Oh look, it's a sheep'. I wonder if I can get sheep to follow me back to where I keep my wellies. Here sheeps, follow Gareth'.

    Am I right so far?
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    Nobody would go home from the bar with ya last night I see, Gareth.
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  • Profile picture of the author dlwebb610
    First: The world did not "evolve" it was created by God.
    Second: Even in the beginning you had leaders and followers. If everyone was a leader nothing would get done because everyone would be telling everyone else what to do. If everyone was a follower no one would take charge and delegate the task that need to be done.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    Only the sheep think it was created by god. Everyone else with half a brain knows that 'god' is a construct of man, made to keep the rest of the flock in line.
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    • Profile picture of the author dlwebb610
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      Only the sheep think it was created by god. Everyone else with half a brain knows that 'god' is a construct of man, made to keep the rest of the flock in line.
      I guess we'll find out when we die. Won't we? And for your sake, I better be wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author diger
    Is this thread article/post "filler" or what? (don't answer that) :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Keith Williams
    Why are there leaders and followers?

    You could ask why are some people doctors and other people mechanics.

    Different people have different skils and experiences. Some are good at leading others while others are not.

    This doesn't mean that the leader is any better or more worthy than those who follow him/her. It's the way things are!
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    There are leaders and followers because of one simple truth that nobody wants to say out loud.


    All men are NOT created equal.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    First off - There is no reason that the concept of evolution and God are not co-existent. And this topic was not meant for us to dictate our own faiths. It doesn't matter what our source - we are in an environment where energies form matter - i.e. biology - and to try to get around that is idiocy. The purpose and cause of us being bound by biology is in the scope of other discussion elsewhere - but not here.

    Gareth - humans are pack animals. We like to think we are just outrightly "social", but if you go back to when the human population was small, we banded in packs. Packs have one or two alphas or they don't work. Excess alphas have to either eliminate the ruling alpha or form their own bands. Just biologically correct.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Drinkwater
      [QUOTE=HeySal;892076]First off - There is no reason that the concept of evolution and God are not co-existent. And this topic was not meant for us to dictate our own faiths. It doesn't matter what our source - we are in an environment where energies form matter - i.e. biology - and to try to get around that is idiocy. The purpose and cause of us being bound by biology is in the scope of other discussion elsewhere - but not here.

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      What a girl... what about you and me Sal.. it's not too late
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      • Profile picture of the author gareth
        Being human sucks for most people.

        Lets face it the only real cool thing to be is a successful leader.

        How many people get to do that ? Any way life is good.

        Anyway I had seen many people asking "why are most people sheep ?" and I couldn't answer it off bat - so I had a think about it and that was the reason i found.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    we can find out right now by reading this new thing called a history book.
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  • Profile picture of the author dlwebb610
    You read your history book and I'll read mine and in the end we will see who read the right one.

    I can do this all day.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    Thats the point...i already know who read the right one. As does everyone else that isn't praying to the invisible man in the clouds who will damn you to hell if you dont pray to him...but he really loves you.

    but thats it for me and the religious talk
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  • Profile picture of the author artwebster
    To get off the religious argument (isn't it funny how two religious people can start a fight with no effort at all?)

    The reason there are leaders and followers is so simple, even a single celled brain can cope with it.

    There are leaders because someone has to be first!
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  • Profile picture of the author artwebster
    Nathen, you will spend virtually the whole of your life following people - so get used to the idea.

    Even when you are leading a group, you are almost certainly following someone else who lead a similar group.

    The most peculiar aspect of the vast majority of 'leaders' is that they do not see themselves as 'leaders' - they just happen to be the best people available at the time and just that toe-nail ahead of the next in line..
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    Yeah and nobody is that much better than anybody else anyway - which is real weird considering how many billion people there are.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Being human sucks for most people.

      Lets face it the only real cool thing to be is a successful leader.
      Not really.

      The leader/follower claptrap assumes everyone is moving in the same general direction - but they don't.

      Even if they did, if everyone decided to be "leader" you'd end up with endless armies of "one" and nothing would get done. You can't be a leader without followers - but are they really following....or just letting you be leader because they don't care?

      Others may follow - or drift off on their own side paths, or backtrack. Just because you are at the head of the pack doesn't mean the entire "pack" is paying any attention to what you are doing or where you are going.

      The leader/follower chit chat may be just an attempt to establish some order on a species where disorder is the norm. True leaders emerge on their own either through personality, charisma or a one time event that thrusts them to the front of an issue. There are relatively few of them and these are the people that others will follow no matter how difficult the path. Other so-called "leaders" have followers only because they tell people what they want to hear.

      Those behind them aren't always "followers" - sometimes they are just independents who have no interest in herd control. Are people really following the leader? Or are they all just headed to the same watering hole?

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      • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
        Appearently most people need to be led. And that's not a bad thing, in fact it can be very constructive. Ask any first grade teacher

        Some people just need to be led at certain times and other times it's their turn to lead. You can't be a leader in all aspects of your life, but it does help to know how to take the reigns when it's your turn.

        This thread had me thinking of an episode that happened the other day...

        I live way out in the country. Twelve miles out of town. One road in...same road back.

        I was following an elderly woman driver who was afraid to get up to the posted speed limit coming down off the mountain into town. Speed limit is 45 mph, she can barely break 35 mph without hitting her brakes.

        We finally get to the first passing zone were I have the chance to get around her and where the speed limit also picks up to 55 mph. She's doing 40.

        I pass her, and I have no reason to believe she was playing any games, but I look down and I'm approaching 65 mph to accomplish the pass. She's sped up and for the next quarter mile she's following me at close to the 65 mph it took to make the quick pass. And not far off my bumper, relatively speaking.

        I was thinking she subconciously got the nerve to drive at a faster speed once she saw it was possible, or perhaps she subconciously got a case of leadfoot once my car passed hers.

        Either way, the thought crossed my mind that some people just need to be led.

        One thing's for sure, unless you're the lead dog on the sled team, the view never changes.

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