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Emotional memory

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Does smell and music trigger emotional memory?
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    All the memory data stored in each memory dept is associated with data in other dpts via "codeletts". You have no memories that are isolated. The smell of apple pie may trigger not only memories of Grandma's house on Sunday, for instance, but also the feelings of being at Grandma's eating the pie on Sunday. In another example, the scent of pine may bring a feeling of peace or tranquility if you are prone to enjoy nature immersion.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      I've had the smell of cut grass suddenly bring a strong memory of when I was ten years old, walking along a specific road, with a specific person.

      Sure, scents, sounds can bring back very powerful memories and feelings. Scent sand sounds travel a different route in the brain. No idea how it's all connected.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I've had the smell of cut grass suddenly bring a strong memory of when I was ten years old, walking along a specific road, with a specific person.

        Sure, scents, sounds can bring back very powerful memories and feelings. Scent sand sounds travel a different route in the brain. No idea how it's all connected.
        They are sent to different departments where associations to other relevant data are coded into them - what we call association. If a smell and feeling are taken in as raw data at the same time, they will be coded as "associating" data. That data will be coded in the language dept of the mind, too. If that data is pulled into a workstation (what I call mid-consciousness) other associations may be consciously assigned to that data. Further subconscious input can also add to the coded associations.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I've had the smell of cut grass suddenly bring a strong memory of when I was ten years old, walking along a specific road, with a specific person.

        Sure, scents, sounds can bring back very powerful memories and feelings. Scent sand sounds travel a different route in the brain. No idea how it's all connected.
        For me, it's consistently light rain on a hot sidewalk. That smell takes me right back.
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    For me, whenever I smell pizza I remember being in love . . . with pizza.
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    For me.........

    The smell of fresh brewed coffee in the morning....makes me feel peaceful......well maybe just conscious....... but that smell makes me feel good.
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    sheep shit between the toes always reminds me of baa baa black sheep, sometimes click go the shears
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      When I stand underneath my new air conditioning main vent it sounds exactly like the ambient background noise of the Enterprise (From The Next Generation) I actually think they used a recording of an A/C unit for it!

      It reminds me of my days in command of that vessel after Picard retired. Make it so!
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        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        When I stand underneath my new air conditioning main vent it sounds exactly like the ambient background noise of the Enterprise (From The Next Generation) I actually think they used a recording of an A/C unit for it!

        It reminds me of my days in command of that vessel after Picard retired. Make it so!
        Really. And you haven't offered to beam us up and take us to a planet that idiots haven't destroyed yet?

        Thanks. Just freakin' thank you, pal.
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          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Really. And you haven't offered to beam us up and take us to a planet that idiots haven't destroyed yet?

          Thanks. Just freakin' thank you, pal.
          Well for a small consideration I have friends in high places (if you catch my drift) Draconian 3 in the Throbolian system has a temperate climate, very clean and stable, (has a lot of baths) small population and rich in shiny rocks and crystals.

          Now if you will excuse me, I have to practice the auto destruct sequence.

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          Picard: Recognize Picard, Jean Luc, 3 47, alpha, tango, 5789, pertang, wheeeeee, 78905643, oh the yellow roads of Texas, 654389087, booohooo, 78124321, bimbo, chicken strip pickemups, 77776543, engage

          Computer: Picard, Jean Luc, recognised

          Picard: Earl Grey Tea, Hot!
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            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            Picard: Recognize Picard, Jean Luc, 3 47, alpha, tango, 5789, pertang, wheeeeee, 78905643, oh the yellow roads of Texas, 654389087, booohooo, 78124321, bimbo, chicken strip pickemups, 77776543, engage
            You forgot Omaha, Omaha, Omaha. It's very important. Manning forgot to say it in the Super Bowl and that's why the Broncos lost.
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      Originally Posted by hardraysnight View Post

      sheep shit between the toes always reminds me of baa baa black sheep, sometimes click go the shears
      I grew up surrounded by dairy farms.
      Now a days when I ride by a farm and smell the cow shit I can't help but smile and remember my childhood.
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    Gotta love Sal. One minute she's a match for Freud, the next a smack talkin' hippie chick.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by hardraysnight View Post

      sheep shit between the toes always reminds me of baa baa black sheep, sometimes click go the shears
      Sorry to hear that!


      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      When I stand underneath my new air conditioning main vent it sounds exactly like the ambient background noise of the Enterprise (From The Next Generation) I actually think they used a recording of an A/C unit for it!

      It reminds me of my days in command of that vessel after Picard retired. Make it so!
      Lucky duck!


      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Really. And you haven't offered to beam us up and take us to a planet that idiots haven't destroyed yet?

      Thanks. Just freakin' thank you, pal.

      Yep, l am with Sal on this one, not even a Martian fluffy bunny! Grrrr!


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    I'm still struggling with whether or not the experiences of our immediate predecessors somehow are recorded in our genes. It seems that, to some extent, the answer is yes.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      I'm still struggling with whether or not the experiences of our immediate predecessors somehow are recorded in our genes. It seems that, to some extent, the answer is yes.
      You have to ask yourself;
      How do we form memories?
      How are memories stored?
      Is that genetic, or biochemical?
      How would that be passed on?

      I didn't read the article you linked to, but it helps me when I just break down a process and try to figure it out. Are they memories?

      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Dogs show genetic memory, so why wouldn't we, too? That's what domestication is. Dogs have been domesticated for so long they are starting to adapt specific skills in understanding human speech and social habits.
      Wouldn't that really be "inheriting certain capacities"?

      And there are genetic markers for temperament. You can breed them out or breed them in. Are these memories?

      Some animals can walk almost at the moment of birth. Is this an inherited memory, or an automatic function? Like heartbeat or knowing how to swallow?

      If the mother animal never walked (because of injury or genetic defect) would the baby animal still be able to walk? Even though the mother never had a memory of walking?

      We have babies born from women in comas. Are they the same as kids born to healthy women? or different?

      If a baby is born in one culture, but at birth, given to someone in a different culture (different language, etc), does the child still speak it's native language? Or speak the adopted language with an accent of it's native tongue?


      I think (but don't know) that we have an affinity for being near water. Is that a collective memory, or some natural tendency to want to be near water as a survival mechanism?

      Some of these answers become kind of obvious with asking questions, and some of them are still unknown...at least to me.

      But just because I don't know the answer...doesn't mean that nobody knows the answer.
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      • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        You have to ask yourself;
        How do we form memories?
        How are memories stored?
        Is that genetic, or biochemical?
        How would that be passed on?

        I didn't read the article you linked to, but it helps me when I just break down a process and try to figure it out. Are they memories?



        Wouldn't that really be "inheriting certain capacities"?

        And there are genetic markers for temperament. You can breed them out or breed them in. Are these memories?

        Some animals can walk almost at the moment of birth. Is this an inherited memory, or an automatic function? Like heartbeat or knowing how to swallow?

        If the mother animal never walked (because of injury or genetic defect) would the baby animal still be able to walk? Even though the mother never had a memory of walking?

        We have babies born from women in comas. Are they the same as kids born to healthy women? or different?

        If a baby is born in one culture, but at birth, given to someone in a different culture (different language, etc), does the child still speak it's native language? Or speak the adopted language with an accent of it's native tongue?


        I think (but don't know) that we have an affinity for being near water. Is that a collective memory, or some natural tendency to want to be near water as a survival mechanism?

        Some of these answers become kind of obvious with asking questions, and some of them are still unknown...at least to me.

        But just because I don't know the answer...doesn't mean that nobody knows the answer.
        I've had two Siberian Huskies and they tended to stay out of water. Other owners noted the same thing. Mine would only wade into a creek or lake a little bit. The second one did learn to lie down in very shallow water to cool down.

        My thinking is that for them it is a survival mechanism to avoid water because the water where they come from is very cold and it might mean death to them.
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          Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

          OK, Sal - Whorf one minute, and Worf the next minute.

          Shane, their practice runs are bloody awful. LOL

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          They are migratory birds and I find it intriguing that they hunt for our feeder before we put
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          I didn't say they were hummingbirds, but small birds!

          And for the record, they didn't make a sound, all l heard is their wings cutting through the air!

          It should be impossible under observable circumstances, so clearly something external is happening!



          PS Claude just saw X-men, blah, blah, and l agree one of the best ones. Especially the happy ending!

          PPS hope you stayed til the end, they gave a preview for the next one! Yep, just when you thought that was it!
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

          I've had two Siberian Huskies and they tended to stay out of water. Other owners noted the same thing. Mine would only wade into a creek or lake a little bit. The second one did learn to lie down in very shallow water to cool down.

          My thinking is that for them it is a survival mechanism to avoid water because the water where they come from is very cold and it might mean death to them.
          Maybe. Or maybe it's just a new experience, and that's what frightens them. And if one dog won't go into the water...and the others see that, now they think that water must be something to avoid. That's not an opinion, just a thought. I don't really know.

          My son was scared to death to get into a pool until he was maybe 10 years old. I didn't force it. I just told him that when he was ready, I'd make sure he learned how to swim. One day, he just jumped in, and had a good time.

          My Dad just took me to a pond, walked me out onto a dock..and threw me in the water. I'm not joking. I learned how to swim pretty quickly. That's how he learned how to swim too.
          I wonder how many kids have drowned that way?
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I think (but don't know) that we have an affinity for being near water. Is that a collective memory, or some natural tendency to want to be near water as a survival mechanism?

        Some of these answers become kind of obvious with asking questions, and some of them are still unknown...at least to me.

        But just because I don't know the answer...doesn't mean that nobody knows the answer.
        How about food and transportation as reasons the majority of people have lived near a coastline for much of human history?
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          How about food and transportation as reasons the majority of people have lived near a coastline for much of human history?
          Kurt; No! Your logic and reasonable answers are not welcome here.

          I must be seen as the "Voice of Reason". Me! Not You!



          Your answer was so obvious that it made me laugh out loud. I hadn't thought of that.


          But honestly, I was more thinking about why we seem to just love being near water....why we find the sound of waves so soothing. You just answered why we all tend to live near water....Why more cities are close to coastlines.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            I learned to swim when I was thrown into the 9 ft end of a swimming pool. I was 5 1/2. It's not my first memory of fear - but it is my first memory of anger.

            Huskies might avoid deep water by instinct (genetic memory) due to the dual coats they have. Their fur is suited to harsh weather but could bog them down in the water.

            There are some flowers (mainly lilacs and jonquils) that bring back memories - and I always go back to childhood in my mind when I smell fresh cut hay.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post



            But honestly, I was more thinking about why we seem to just love being near water....why we find the sound of waves so soothing. You just answered why we all tend to live near water....Why more cities are close to coastlines.
            Why do we stare into a camp fire or admire a sunset or watch a waterfall or a wind mill turn? Or like listening to the crackle of a fire or rain drops falling?
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              I don't know. Maybe, no matter how urban and digital we become, we are still attracted like moths to natural wonders of fire....water.....air. Basic elements.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              Why do we stare into a camp fire or admire a sunset or watch a waterfall or a wind mill turn? Or like listening to the crackle of a fire or rain drops falling?
              Yeah, I got nothing. Maybe some things are beautiful by their very nature. Who knows.
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              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              Why do we stare into a camp fire or admire a sunset or watch a waterfall or a wind mill turn? Or like listening to the crackle of a fire or rain drops falling?
              We enjoy the crackle of the fire because it brings back genetic memories of
              sitting around a fire eating pterodactyl buffalo wings.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        You have to ask yourself;
        How do we form memories?
        How are memories stored?
        Is that genetic, or biochemical?
        How would that be passed on?

        I didn't read the article you linked to, but it helps me when I just break down a process and try to figure it out. Are they memories?



        Wouldn't that really be "inheriting certain capacities"?

        And there are genetic markers for temperament. You can breed them out or breed them in. Are these memories?

        Some animals can walk almost at the moment of birth. Is this an inherited memory, or an automatic function? Like heartbeat or knowing how to swallow?

        If the mother animal never walked (because of injury or genetic defect) would the baby animal still be able to walk? Even though the mother never had a memory of walking?

        We have babies born from women in comas. Are they the same as kids born to healthy women? or different?

        If a baby is born in one culture, but at birth, given to someone in a different culture (different language, etc), does the child still speak it's native language? Or speak the adopted language with an accent of it's native tongue?


        I think (but don't know) that we have an affinity for being near water. Is that a collective memory, or some natural tendency to want to be near water as a survival mechanism?

        Some of these answers become kind of obvious with asking questions, and some of them are still unknown...at least to me.

        But just because I don't know the answer...doesn't mean that nobody knows the answer.
        The difference between learned and genetic comes when babies are "born" with a knowledge or ability rather than because they are in a family with a tradition of the ability, knowledge.

        Actually, Clyde - we don't know the answer. As I said, I'm comfortable with the idea, but there's nothing concretely stated as proved yet - that I know of.

        Scientists have recently found that dog's brains have actually evolved to be more adapted to human contact. Now that's pretty much a given. Whether human's brains do the same? First we have to set a condition that will persist for a couple thousand years to be able to chart the changes. It's not something that would be easily provable. Perhaps anthropologists will come up with something that they can use to decisively say yes or no, but to my knowledge, they've not done so yet. It's all speculation.

        I think it's likely because our brains are set with some instincts, and as the world changes our "danger" "comfort" factors change, so it would seem that instinct codes would change at some point. These are physiological, so could start to be hardwired right in. Makes sense anyway.

        At this point - if you've got a quarter to toss - we could solve the issue real fast.
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          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post


          Scientists have recently found that dog's brains have actually evolved to be more adapted to human contact. .
          Yep. Even though dogs and wolves are pretty much identical from a DNA point of view, there's a couple of distinctive traits.

          Dogs often understand what "pointing" means and are the only known animal that will "follow" with their eyes where a human points. Wolves don't. Chimps don't even do this.

          If there's some sort of "puzzle" to get food, a wolf will keep trying to work it out and ignore any human presence. However, if a human is near, a dog won't try for very long and instead give up and then stare at the human for help after a short time.
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          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          The difference between learned and genetic comes when babies are "born" with a knowledge or ability rather than because they are in a family with a tradition of the ability, knowledge.

          Actually, Clyde - we don't know the answer. As I said, I'm comfortable with the idea, but there's nothing concretely stated as proved yet - that I know of.

          Scientists have recently found that dog's brains have actually evolved to be more adapted to human contact. Now that's pretty much a given. Whether human's brains do the same? First we have to set a condition that will persist for a couple thousand years to be able to chart the changes. It's not something that would be easily provable. Perhaps anthropologists will come up with something that they can use to decisively say yes or no, but to my knowledge, they've not done so yet. It's all speculation.

          I think it's likely because our brains are set with some instincts, and as the world changes our "danger" "comfort" factors change, so it would seem that instinct codes would change at some point. These are physiological, so could start to be hardwired right in. Makes sense anyway.

          At this point - if you've got a quarter to toss - we could solve the issue real fast.
          Sal; You had me...... until you called me "Clyde". I'm so offended, that I'm going to sulk...again. I suppose I'll have to buy another computer, too. I'll see you in 3 or 4 days...again.

          by the way, when men are interested in you...do you call it Salivating?

          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Yep. Even though dogs and wolves are pretty much identical from a DNA point of view, there's a couple of distinctive traits.

          Dogs often understand what "pointing" means and are the only known animal that will "follow" with their eyes where a human points. Wolves don't. Chimps don't even do this.

          If there's some sort of "puzzle" to get food, a wolf will keep trying to work it out and ignore any human presence. However, if a human is near, a dog won't try for very long and instead give up and then stare at the human for help after a short time.

          Dogs have also inherited the genetic trait of grabbing a ball, bringing it to you...with it covered in slobbers. And then having a big grin, because they are so proud of themselves.


          Come to think of it, Riffle does much the same thing.

          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          If there's some sort of "puzzle" to get food, a wolf will keep trying to work it out and ignore any human presence. However, if a human is near, a dog won't try for very long and instead give up and then stare at the human for help after a short time.
          Again, Riffle. It's how we met...at a Man-Dog mixer.


          By the way;
          Something that puzzles me, is the idea of a genetic propensity for alcoholism. How would that happen?

          Until the last few thousand years (wild guess) nobody drank alcohol. How would the body know to develop and addiction to it? How would addiction benefit survival? It wouldn't. So why is it there?

          Or....do we all naturally find alcohol addicting, and some of us have developed an immunity to that addictive tendency?

          And I find bragging addictive. But how would I inherit that? Nobody in my family is known as a braggart, except me. So, where did it come from?

          Talk among yourselves. Discuss it.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Sal; You had me...... until you called me "Clyde". I'm so offended, that I'm going to sulk...again. I suppose I'll have to buy another computer, too. I'll see you in 3 or 4 days...again.

            by the way, when men are interested in you...do you call it Salivating?
            Ah jeez. Sorry Claude - I was just chatting with one of my members on my forum. His name is Clyde. No disrespect or hidden meanings - just a slip of the keyboard.

            Salivating - now that's funny.
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              Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

              Ah jeez. Sorry Claude - I was just chatting with one of my members on my forum. His name is Clyde. No disrespect or hidden meanings - just a slip of the keyboard.

              Salivating - now that's funny.
              You were right first time, that's his real name. His comedy act on Mars (Bunny & Clyde) is very popular!

              No one uses their real name on this forum, like your HeySal and I'm Lanfear63 ( Real name Rosebud Pinkflubberincontinencepad)

              See he's off to get another computer too, he wont be back, no one, but no one has ever been able to figure out Windows 8.1
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                Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                You were right first time, that's his real name. His comedy act on Mars (Bunny & Clyde) is very popular!

                No one uses their real name on this forum, like your HeySal and I'm Lanfear63 ( Real name Rosebud Pinkflubberincontinencepad)

                See he's off to get another computer too, he wont be back, no one, but no one has ever been able to figure out Windows 8.1
                Damn, l was just getting used to Claude being "0"!


                Bunny and Clyde, must have missed that one?


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                  Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                  Damn, l was just getting used to Claude being "0"!


                  Bunny and Clyde, must have missed that one?


                  Shane; I'm shaped more like an "O" than a "0". From the side, more like a "Q" (I love that joke.)
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          • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post




            By the way;
            Something that puzzles me, is the idea of a genetic propensity for alcoholism. How would that happen?

            Until the last few thousand years (wild guess) nobody drank alcohol. How would the body know to develop and addiction to it? How would addiction benefit survival? It wouldn't. So why is it there?

            Or....do we all naturally find alcohol addicting, and some of us have developed an immunity to that addictive tendency?

            And I find bragging addictive. But how would I inherit that? Nobody in my family is known as a braggart, except me. So, where did it come from?

            Talk among yourselves. Discuss it.
            This explains the bragging, and I did not know how to break the news, but my private detective has carefully verified that there was a mix up at the hospital and you are actually a Riffle.

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            I often think about things that way. What is naturally occurring behavior? What did man do before stuff - such as alcohol or meth.. - was created? When a dog runs through a cornfield, it's not likely to stop and try to eat corn, yet corn is the main ingredient in a lot of dog food - even IAMS and Eukanuba.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

              I often think about things that way. What is naturally occurring behavior? What did man do before stuff - such as alcohol or meth.. - was created? When a dog runs through a cornfield, it's not likely to stop and try to eat corn, yet corn is the main ingredient in a lot of dog food - even IAMS and Eukanuba.
              For the same reason Riffle runs through a field of women, and never stops to have sex with them. The connection never occurs to him.

              It's the reason I exist, to make these connections for Dan.

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              If Sal was from the Phillipines, would she be Salmanilla?
              Actually, very clever. You win this round Kurtious! But revenge will be sweet!
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                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                For the same reason Riffle runs through a field of women, and never stops to have sex with them. The connection never occurs to him.

                It's the reason I exist, to make these connections for Dan.

                1. That sounds like rape.
                2. I'm married.
                3. Riffle's don't run. We amble or saunter, although we withhold sauntering for Whitacre funerals.
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                • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  For the same reason Riffle runs through a field of women, and never stops to have sex with them. The connection never occurs to him.

                  It's the reason I exist, to make these connections for Dan.



                  Actually, very clever. You win this round Kurtious! But revenge will be sweet!
                  Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                  1. That sounds like rape.
                  2. I'm married.
                  3. Riffle's don't run. We amble or saunter, although we withhold sauntering for Whitacre funerals.
                  I had it all wrong. I figured he ignored all those women in his search for Jessica Biel.
                  (Only to find she wishes to remain true to that Justin Timber-somebody fellow.)


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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                  1. That sounds like rape.
                  It is rape..that's another thing I had to explain to you!

                  Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                  2. I'm married.
                  Yup. I got nothing. Stop including things I can't make fun of.

                  Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                  3. Riffle's don't run. We amble or saunter, although we withhold sauntering for Whitacre funerals.
                  You call it ambling or sauntering. Everyone who watches, calls it prancing. How do you think I learned how to prance? Watching Riffle prancing videos.

                  At your funeral, I'd bring the motivational speech, but nobody will be able to hear it above all the Fireworks and Cheering going on!


                  Added later: Wait! I just thought of a "married" thing!
                  Your friends asked "How did you get such a beautiful girl to marry you? How did you convince her?"

                  And you said "Two words. Elevator Shoes"

                  Yup, Claudius is feeling pretty proud of himself right about now!
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            And I find bragging addictive. But how would I inherit that? Nobody in my family is known as a braggart, except me. So, where did it come from?
            Clyde even brags about bragging.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Frankly, TB, I'm not sure how we can prove that one either way - but there are theories that parts of our memory can be passed down "genetically". Seeing that we are both social and instinctual beings at some levels, it would seem that we should be able to.

    Dogs show genetic memory, so why wouldn't we, too? That's what domestication is. Dogs have been domesticated for so long they are starting to adapt specific skills in understanding human speech and social habits.

    These theories sometimes get a little too metaphysical - "collective consciousness" - for a lot of people so it's still considered fringe science. I don't see them being such - but still haven't seen one that really hits me as square on, although the concept is comfortable for me.

    Uh Dan? Sapir, mabye, Whorf, more likely -- but not Freud. Not in your wildest dreams.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      These theories sometimes get a little too metaphysical - "collective consciousness" - for a lot of people so it's still considered fringe science. I don't see them being such - but still haven't seen one that really hits me as square on, although the concept is comfortable for me.

      Uh Dan? Sapir, mabye, Whorf, more likely -- but not Freud. Not in your wildest dreams.
      I lived on a farm for most of my life, so l know that collective consciousness is real, at least for animals.

      Not quoting on the 100 monkey, potato washing thing, which is fascinating but not concrete proof, l have better evidence than that one!

      I was walking up my driveway, (long driveway) and saw a flock of small birds flying at high speed in perfect formation!

      This wasn't luck, or then watching each other, but about 6 or 7 small birds doing a sharp turn to miss the ground at high speed.

      Very difficialt to near impossible for us to pull something similar with gets or planes, without computers and rader, etc.

      And dumb birds did this!!!!!!

      Dumb birds that were looking straight ahead and not at each other, doing a sharp turn in PERFECT formation.

      So animals operating with a shared mind, is a strong possibility.

      They were in each others energy fields, or were operating as a single unit. So consciousness transcending the mind is possible.


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      • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Frankly, TB, I'm not sure how we can prove that one either way - but there are theories that parts of our memory can be passed down "genetically". Seeing that we are both social and instinctual beings at some levels, it would seem that we should be able to.

        Dogs show genetic memory, so why wouldn't we, too? That's what domestication is. Dogs have been domesticated for so long they are starting to adapt specific skills in understanding human speech and social habits.

        These theories sometimes get a little too metaphysical - "collective consciousness" - for a lot of people so it's still considered fringe science. I don't see them being such - but still haven't seen one that really hits me as square on, although the concept is comfortable for me.

        Uh Dan? Sapir, mabye, Whorf, more likely -- but not Freud. Not in your wildest dreams.
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        I lived on a farm for most of my life, so l know that collective consciousness is real, at least for animals.

        Not quoting on the 100 monkey, potato washing thing, which is fascinating but not concrete proof, l have better evidence than that one!

        I was walking up my driveway, (long driveway) and saw a flock of small birds flying at high speed in perfect formation!

        This wasn't luck, or then watching each other, but about 6 or 7 small birds doing a sharp turn to miss the ground at high speed.

        Very difficialt to near impossible for us to pull something similar with gets or planes, without computers and rader, etc.

        And dumb birds did this!!!!!!

        Dumb birds that were looking straight ahead and not at each other, doing a sharp turn in PERFECT formation.

        So animals operating with a shared mind, is a strong possibility.

        They were in each others energy fields, or were operating as a single unit. So consciousness transcending the mind is possible.
        OK, Sal - Whorf one minute, and Worf the next minute.

        Shane, their practice runs are bloody awful. LOL

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    Whenever I smell freshly cut grass, it always reminds me of high school, and attending the athletics carnival. Those were some pretty nice memories, back in the good old days
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      Originally Posted by michael26a View Post

      Whenever I smell freshly cut grass, it always reminds me of high school, and attending the athletics carnival. Those were some pretty nice memories, back in the good old days
      The smell of freshly cut grass reminds me that yet again, I had neglected to mow my lawn!
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      • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        The smell of freshly cut grass reminds me that yet again, I had neglected to mow my lawn!
        I think I'm weird when it comes to lawn mowing. I dread doing it and put it off, but once I actually do it, I kind of enjoy it. Same with gardening.

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    Smells can trigger emotions or feeling lolz barbecue smell makes me crazy and a perfume fragrance makes me sick with full passion
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      Shane; I'm shaped more like an "O" than a "0". From the side, more like a "Q" (I love that joke.)
      Alfred Hitchcock can't hold a candle to you then?


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    Rule #9: Stimulate more of the senses.
    • Our senses work together so it is important to stimulate them! Your head crackles with the perceptions of the whole world, sight, sound, taste, smell, touch, energetic as a frat party.
    • Smell is unusually effective at evoking memory. If you're tested on the details of a movie while the smell of popcorn is wafted into the air, you'll remember 10-50% more.
    • Smell is really important to business. When you walk into Starbucks, the first thing you smell is coffee. They have done a number of things over the years to make sure that’s the case.
    • The learning link. Those in multisensory environments always do better than those in unisensory environments. They have more recall with better resolution that lasts longer, evident even 20 years later.
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  • Profile picture of the author ErinWalsh
    Speaking of sounds of nature... Thunder is comforting for me. I've always liked the sound of rain on the roof top, and to me thunder means rain. Rain on a roof top at night will put me into a deep sleep.
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    I love the smell of Napalm in the morning.

    Smells like.......Victory.
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