How Do You Know When You are Being Professionally Scammed?

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Hi all, l almost didn't write this, as it is still a bit painful to think through, and l am still getting over this nasty virus, bought on by this event this week!

But the Mods, will hopefully make this a sticky, since newbies and more seasoned marketers alike should know about this, and especially some of the very clever tricks they use to gain your confidence!

Ok, to start l have posts on two dating sides, one, for over two years, (nothing much to show for that one) and one on a second more dodgy site, (since a friend is better than nothing).

The dodgy one said, (in their TOS) don't read unsolicited emails from individuals from our site, so l thought fair enough, but 6 months later l plum forgot about that rule!

Then the trash surfaced!


First lady, wanted the next best thing to a relationship, but also wanted me to invest almost $1000 into some weird leather gear, as well.

Through her friend of course, with seriously over inflated prices. The warning bells went off, and l thought it sounds like she has her hand out somewhere, or her address was fictious? She said her friend will offer a bulk discount, but it still sounded dodgy to me.

Either way l declined the supposed offer!


Being online for more than 6 years l thought, has my BS antenna finely tuned, l thought, but apparently not yet!


A few days later another email, this time from a supposedly young attractive woman, that lives about 45 minutes from me, and wanted to meet someone nice!

So l thought why not, and started talking to her!


At this stage she started sending in photos of herself, by the truckload at least 6 to 12 at a time, and eventhough we had some pretty big differences, l started to develop some feelings for her!

Over this time l rang her apartment in Preston, Vic, AU, (l am in Ringwood). And someone who seemed to fit her friends description answered the phone.

She discussed her days working in the hospitals, and her friends, (as l said this woman was a pro) and of course that she was vulnerable!

When she had to go overseas because her family was going to be evicted because, the original owner, only made a verbal agreement and passed on, and the new owner wanted to sell the place.

That was when the hook was set.

Then plenty of emails saying how tired she, was and stressed. And how the deadline was approaching for her to come back to AU, and start work, (she had a week's leave).

Then the deadline came up, she basically pleaded with me over the phone, (the phone was always one way, l could never ring her).

And l made the mistake of sending some money over to her, l won't say how much, but certainly more than a few hundred.

She wanted it through Western Union, to Chez Republic, which should have rung some more bells, but l still had the blinders on, and there was another trick she was using, that to this day, l can't figure out how?

As most know l am into spiritual stuff, she when she said, she loved me, and l was falling for her, l felt this connected between us!

This is a bit like metaphysical silken threat, which did feel stretched, when she went overseas. She mentioned it a few days after l noticed it.


To, this day l can't figure out how she could have staged it? Odd's on the images she showed me were from a previous victim. So how could a feel a connection with a womans voice and different image?

Maybe it was just a fluke, or the universes way of saying, this is what you are missing out on, or the love of money has its limits?

But either way, l thought that it was confirmation that she was genuine! Dumb mistake, that l will never make again!


After screwing me out of the initial payment, then she said that she wasn't allowed to leave the country, on the grounds that she has tax to pay on her Mothers Apartment, which supposedly thanks to my assistance, she now owned.


So, after that we went through more emails, more of her getting more and more stressed to make the new AU, flight, etc.

And saying to me that she was still $700 short.


This was when the cracks started to show!


She contacted me with a story that her boss in AU, will give her an advanced payment, just as long as l can help her of course!

Help, as in, supplying this....

Yours Angelina
Hello my love Shane,

Thank you that you patience and that you waiting for me, it is important to me because i have place for you in my heart and i live with this all these days, most what i want is to show you all what i keep for you in me and I am sure that this will be soon if we go forward together and if you not turn away from me, i pray about this every day. Your words like balm to my heart, i feel for you very strong. I have good news and i am sure that soon we will be together, this most what i want that you see from me. I had serious talk with my boss now and he have possibility to give me some money, and you know my love how i care to finish what i started for my mom. Only problem right now that i can't use my account here, i was in bank but they all say that i need to go to Melbourne branch where i opened this account and he going to wire my salary only on Australian bank account and he need account number, when i knew about this i felt so sad because i have access to my Internet banking online but i can't take money from bankomat in Ostrava. My love all what i need to ask you, please don't turn away, you need to help me with this, receive on your account what boss can give and send it to me with fast transfer Western Union only if you have time for this my love. I ask you only because i trust you darling and i can't ask anyone there else, Petra don't reply me for a long time and i know that she was going for vacations with her ex husband, i think i wrote you already, anyway i happy for them so much and wish only happiness. I am very tired and must go back to normal life and i simple want be with you, i see now decision in my problem and i need your care too. I understand what you wrote me and i very care about you but all what i ask to help me in this. Alone always difficult in life i know that you know this too. Please reply very soon, i will be wait your answer. I need you and i miss you so much. My warmest hugs and kisses xxx

P.S. My love i need this information. I need your full address, full surname, date of birth and number of driver licence and date of expery. I am waiting for this information!
This email wasn't changed in any way, the last one got so personal l couldn't post it here.

But as you can see, the last part was too big a bell to ignore!

I was thinking, why do l need to give her my drivers licence??? For a transfer of money in AU???? A PayPal email should be enough? And then asked for the same details, before commencing with that one. Because you can check Licence details online to confirm it is genuine, although confirming her work address, so l could check up on her would have been enough!

After this, l asked her to confirm the DUBAI/UKRAINE flight she was supposed to be on, to Melbourne airport. Which she confirmed that she would be on earlier. NO, reply, so since l could never get an answer out of her, regarding whether she drove there or not, l had to assume that l was going to drive her home instead?

2 Hours before arrival, no reply, (which there wouldn't be, the flight takes about 18 hours give or take, with one stopover). Although as airport security told me, she should have contacted me mid way!

So, l get there, with the airport parking ticking away at about $20 per hour, (convenient parking in Melb, Airport is expensive) waiting at the international departure area.

Three hours later, and very few passengers from any plane left, departing, l asked a staff member wouldn't flight 1050 blah, have departed by now?

To make a long story short l went to security, they figured it was an elaborate scam, and just told me they could do little and to go home.

I asked about a pub, but ended up with a coffee, and l seriously big chip on my shoulder.

But over three hours l also noticed a breach in security and a few women around me showing some interest, so that softened the blow slightly. Well the women part!


I drive home on the freeways, flawing it at time's, thinking how could l have been so dumb? But l understood at that point.

After that the second last email was about a new flight time, more supportive evidence, that l was being led.

I wrote back that l would love to also do things to her that l couldn't say here. Namely l wanted to tear off her head, and spit down it, (obviously l didn't say that). And also tried to get some of my money back so she could get more, which was a crock, on my part but worth a shot!

Understandably she didn't bite, send one more borderline pornographic email, and that was it!

Well, after l used some well phrased capital letters, that was it!


After that the Police, and after 45 minutes of them trying to figure out the dumb new wording of old scam rules, they said it wasn't significant enough an amount for them to investigate further!

Great if l gave her 100k, then they could have tracked this creature down?????

Next Western Union, (waste of time), alerting the dating site, that her profile is a front, (they have hopefully removed it). And my bank, still need to see them, haven't been able to with this damn virus, but there is a good chance l will get a big reduction with the interest, and other stuff?

So there you go, pretty much the worst week of my life!

But it is making me put serious effort into an online idea, that is or should be showing great promise.


And for the record l did try to figure out where she worked from a park she mentioned, but no, too crafty for that. There were at least 6 hospitals around this park, and all with similar names.

This creature might be warped, but still covers her tracks brilliantly.


Just image if instead of scamming people, she used her brilliant mind to help instead, or write a book about it?

Honest ways to make a lot online, are difficult to find, but they are there, and certainly better than stealing from the poor!


And there have been online scams involving up to 250k, a wealthy investor, invested this through a dodgy African charity company to help a struggling village for example.

Then he realizes, later on, the village ain't getting a cent, and the company which is probably a temp, rented space, is a front, and the organizer,s are counting his money, on a beach in Long Beach California!


I also tried to contact her supposed AU friend, which was on Holiday's of course? The whole &*(^% thing was well thought through, even scripted, but the wheels fell off, after the first pinch.


As l said the sooner people learn that real, honest money can be made online, but you have to keep at it til you find it, the less of this sort of crap will occur.

What l went through will probably save me a lot, long term, and l hope that this submission will help other new and more seasoned marketers, not to be fooled, or at least, do what l should have done, is ask for verifiable data first!

Thankyou!

Shane
  • Profile picture of the author MakingSomeMoney
    That is 1 Crazy Story... I feel for you... Thank you for sharing it with us all. I hope things are going better for you now.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      "How Do You Know When You are Being Professionally Scammed?"

      That's an easy one for me. If I send them my picture and they're still referring to me as "My love," then I know that I'm being scammed.

      Sorry to hear about this. I am always shocked when someone relates this type of tale and very surprised when it happens to people that obviously possess enough intelligence to know better. That said, I guess in matters of the heart, intelligence goes out the window. When matters of the bank account begin to surface, it is imperative that whatever intelligence and common sense you possess kick into high gear.Yes, I know that match.com claims something like 486 people a day that met on their site get married, but I'd be curious to know how many of those people are still married a year or two later. Even with that I will never, no matter how long I live, understand why anyone would resort to an online search for a significant other.

      The Internet is a swamp. You have a much better chance of landing a frog than a princess.

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      • Profile picture of the author Raydal
        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        "How Do You Know When You are Being Professionally Scammed?"

        That's an easy one for me. If I send them my picture and they're still referring to me as "My love," then I know that I'm being scammed.
        LOL! Well, I had my laugh for the day.

        Sad story but that's why people buy on emotion and justify with common sense
        afterwards--relates to relationships as well.

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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

          LOL! Well, I had my laugh for the day. -Ray Edwards
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Shane. Don't ever send money to strangers again. Dates don't require a down payment. lol.
    Sorry this happened to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author wiifm
      You got off easy, I have a friend who tried to warn his brother, but it ended up costing him $30,000 before he woke up.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Thank you that you patience and that you waiting for me, it is important to me because i have place for you in my heart and i live with this all these days, most what i want is to show you all what i keep for you in me and I am sure that this will be soon if we go forward together and if you not turn away from me,
        Shane - you didn't find the wording above a bit "off"?

        I guess those scams work because people want to believe in magic and love - so they put common sense away. If I meet someone in person who gets too friendly too fast - or starts telling me about personal and money problems - I'm gone. I'd never make it in online dating!
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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Just received this about an hour ago.

          "Hi Dear,
          How are you today?I hope all is well with you I am Miss.Faith David by name,a young looking girl , it is my great pleasure to contact you in communication with you . please I want you to have the desire with me so we can get to know each one better and see what will happen in the future.I will give you more details about myself. your new friend Faith David.
          "

          Anyone looking for a date? Here is her addy - though I doubt that she is actually female.

          bale_umama2@yahoo.co.uk

          Have fun!

          Cheers. - Frank
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by MakingSomeMoney View Post

        That is 1 Crazy Story... I feel for you... Thank you for sharing it with us all. I hope things are going better for you now.
        Well, after what happened at the airport, (the full realization that you cannot be held back by customs, for land tax, it is a universal law) l didn't have the nerve to check on how bad my CC was. I thought that it must have maxed out with the amount l outlayed, but thankfully it had just gone over the cutoff point!
        So l am up the creek, but still have my paddle!


        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        "How Do You Know When You are Being Professionally Scammed?"

        That's an easy one for me. If I send them my picture and they're still referring to me as "My love," then I know that I'm being scammed.

        Sorry to hear about this. I am always shocked when someone relates this type of tale and very surprised when it happens to people that obviously possess enough intelligence to know better. That said, I guess in matters of the heart, intelligence goes out the window. When matters of the bank account begin to surface, it is imperative that whatever intelligence and common sense you possess kick into high gear.Yes, I know that match.com claims something like 486 people a day that met on their site get married, but I'd be curious to know how many of those people are still married a year or two later. Even with that I will never, no matter how long I live, understand why anyone would resort to an online search for a significant other.

        The Internet is a swamp. You have a much better chance of landing a frog than a princess.

        Regards. - Frank
        Or a sheep in wolf's clothing!

        Yes, you might have a point, but when things take off a bit for me, instead of just laying the concrete, then it could make a difference?

        Yes, common sense, that can work against you as well!

        Her letters and phone calls, that, as you can guess, seemed to go overboard, with the compatibility, love thing, didn't help!

        In the end l just put it down to her Chez background that was more family or relationship orientated than financial that it is in AU.

        I also put her not giving me her place of work, etc addresses down to going overseas, and jet-lag, although in the end it was more of a case of avoiding the subject til some money was extracted.

        From what l have heard it is a numbers game, and not many will end up coughing up!


        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Shane. Don't ever send money to strangers again. Dates don't require a down payment. lol.
        Sorry this happened to you.


        Originally Posted by wiifm View Post

        You got off easy, I have a friend who tried to warm his brother, but it ended up costing him $30,000 before he woke up.
        Holy crap!

        Yes, the fact that l l thought that the CC was clapped out, saved me sending this creature any more or the other $700 US.

        Well, that and wanting my drivers license details. No doubt she was going to make a fake id, with this info, and one of the front images of me that l had sent her! Grrrrr!


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        • Profile picture of the author Midnight Oil
          Shane, I don't know how much information you actually gave this person, but you may want to consider putting a security freeze on your credit file so that she/he/it is unable to establish credit under your name.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Shane - you didn't find the wording above a bit "off"?

          I guess those scams work because people want to believe in magic and love - so they put common sense away. If I meet someone in person who gets too friendly too fast - or starts telling me about personal and money problems - I'm gone. I'd never make it in online dating!
          No, as a said before she had a strong CHez accent, (if anyone here has someone with this accent ring them, let me know. I would certainly like to give her some well chosen words!!!!

          Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

          Just received this about an hour ago.

          "Hi Dear,
          How are you today?I hope all is well with you I am Miss.Faith David by name,a young looking girl , it is my great pleasure to contact you in communication with you . please I want you to have the desire with me so we can get to know each one better and see what will happen in the future.I will give you more details about myself. your new friend Faith David.
          "

          Anyone looking for a date? Here is her addy - though I doubt that she is actually female.

          bale_umama2@yahoo.co.uk

          Have fun!

          Cheers. - Frank
          Scary Frank, me, her and a particularly large meat cleaver, and optional tarp comes to mind!


          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Shane;

          Honest to God, man...I though this was a joke, until the ending.

          So...the idea of Not sending money to an online person you have never met....still doesn't occur to you?

          Shane; People who care for you, don't ask you for money. That's what the universe is trying to tell you.
          It did, but l got to know her over a good part of a month, and evidence accrued here and there that helped establish enough credibility to get the first payment over the line!

          After that she tried a few times to ring again, probably to try the sob story for more money. But l ignored it both times.

          Well if l had answered, the conversation would have quickly gone down the tear your head off, thread!

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          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Originally Posted by Midnight Oil View Post

            Shane, I don't know how much information you actually gave this person, but you may want to consider putting a security freeze on your credit file so that she/he/it is unable to establish credit under your name.
            No, l never handed my personal banking details over to her, if she had asked for that, l would have immediately realized that this was a scam!

            As l said this creature was experienced!


            The bank said similar things, but l didn't give enough info, over to her, for that!

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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            It did, but l got to know her over a good part of a month, and evidence accrued here and there that helped establish enough credibility to get the first payment over the line!
            No. There is no such thing as "enough credibility to get the first payment".

            There is no "first payment".

            Man, If I could slap you, to make you wake up, I would.

            Did I read it right? The only thing keeping you from sending her money TWICE was that you maxed out your credit card?

            Man...Oh...Man....You ...are....killing...me....


            If I find out that this whole thing is a joke, you'll be my Hero Forever, because it's a great one.

            I wonder if choking you will help. Because if you are unconscious...you can't send money to people you meet on the internet.

            The fact that you are a nice guy (or so you have led me to believe. Do NOT ask me to send you money), and obviously have little income, just makes this worse.

            The next time you feel the urge to do something like this again, let us know. The four sane people here (and Big Frank) will talk you out of it.
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            • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              The next time you feel the urge to do something like this again, let us know. The four sane people here (and Big Frank) will talk you out of it.
              I have learned to never attempt to talk anyone out of anything. I do believe in giving them a concise overview of the situation as I see it, based upon my keen observational powers and immense intellect, as well as some salient points to think long and hard about before making their own decision which they are going to have to own, regardless of the outcome of their actions.

              Then I grab the popcorn, set the Barcalounger on maximum recline and enjoy the show.

              That said, I am gratified that you have not insulted me again but placing me in with the 'sane' people. That would NOT be well received, would force me to broach the topic with my shrink, who would then start asking questions about your grasp on reality and whether or not your local authorities needed to be notified.

              Enjoy the rest of your Sunday. It's a majestic day on Laurel Lake. :-)

              Cheers. - Frank
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              • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                An emotional based scam. Quite sophisticated too.

                Cant believe you fell for it but all sorts of people do, That's why people keep doing it.

                You say stuff about going to the bar. Dont go to the bar to meet women. Bars generally do not attract the sort you would want to hitch up with and have relationships with, yes their are exceptions but rare. Never met any of my lady friends in bars.

                Set your sights higher by joining organizations or groups for people of like minded interests. Stuff like that. Even a singles group where at least you get to actually meet people.

                When in your teens and early 20's there are parties and a higher social circle of friends to socialize with.

                When you get to your 30's though a lot of them have got married or moved away. It's a lot more difficult to meet women because that social circle has dwindled. You also find more women of similar age are hitched too.

                If your like most men, they do not have the courage to march up to a woman in the street and ask them out.

                So, getting into a social organization or two may be the only way to get back into having a social circle again.

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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Well, after what happened at the airport, (the full realization that you cannot be held back by customs, for land tax, it is a universal law) l didn't have the nerve to check on how bad my CC was. I thought that it must have maxed out with the amount l outlayed, but thankfully it had just gone over the cutoff point!

          ...
          Her letters and phone calls, that, as you can guess, seemed to go overboard, with the compatibility, love thing, didn't help!

          ...
          In the end l just put it down to her Chez background that was more family or relationship orientated than financial that it is in AU.

          ...
          I also put her not giving me her place of work, etc addresses down to going overseas, and jet-lag, although in the end it was more of a case of avoiding the subject til some money was extracted.

          ...
          From what l have heard it is a numbers game, and not many will end up coughing up!

          Holy crap!

          Yes, the fact that l l thought that the CC was clapped out, saved me sending this creature any more or the other $700 US.

          Well, that and wanting my drivers license details. No doubt she was going to make a fake id, with this info, and one of the front images of me that l had sent her! Grrrrr!
          Shane, honestly, you sound like a very easy mark. I'm pm'ing you now. lol.

          You should have had red flags waving long before you did. The first mention of the "hardship" stories and request for money should have done it for you.

          That and the fact that no matter how much you'd like to believe it, there's no such thing as having feelings for or falling in love with a complete stranger online (I've only heard of one or two actual cases that ended up in a relationship, and it didn't involve the "sob story give me money routine.)"

          What you've fallen for is a scam that is ages old and rampant and it sounds like you are a perfect target for it. Not only did this person, who probably looks a lot more like a Nigerian scammer than a cute babe in reality, rip you off for money, he attempted to get enough info from you to steal your identity.

          The fact that you got a computer virus afterwards is also a huge red flag. I hope that you have eradicated it and that you have then gone back and changed every single password that you have online. That virus could have installed a keylogger that transmits all of your logins to this scammer. If you do business online and log into bank accounts and Paypal, like I do, that can be devastating.

          Please buddy ... wise up. Don't let this happen again. Get out of the house and start meeting some real girls. Even an ugly one will do over a beautiful one online that is a figment of your imagination and is only trying to steal from you.
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            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            Shane, honestly, you sound like a very easy mark. I'm pm'ing you now. lol.
            Too, late! I've already sent him a pic of myself in a blond wig while sporting my best pair of falsies.

            Get in line.

            Cheers. - Frank

            P.S. Shane - I hope it's not too soon for you to able to start laughing at yourself. It beats the alternative. :-)
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            • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
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              First off Shane, I'm sorry for what happened to you.

              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              As most know l am into spiritual stuff, she when she said, she loved me, and l was falling for her, l felt this connected between us!

              This is a bit like metaphysical silken threat, which did feel stretched, when she went overseas. She mentioned it a few days after l noticed it.
              Shane, my view is less romantic. My guess is what you felt was really your hopes for a romance intensifying. To me, this is like the Mars photos where you see all kinds of things no one else here does. I'm afraid you're seeing (feeling) what you want to see (feel).

              As long as you think love is magic, you'll have a hard time finding it. I went through that when I was young.

              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              Maybe it was just a fluke, or the universes way of saying, this is what you are missing out on, or the love of money has its limits?

              To, this day l can't figure out how she could have staged it? Odd's on the images she showed me were from a previous victim. So how could a feel a connection with a womans voice and different image?
              The universe is a cause and effect machine. She didn't stage anything except a ruse that allowed you to experience your own emotions. I'm sorry Shane, but the "magic" was in your own heart all along. She just gave you a false hope that awakened it.


              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              It did, but l got to know her over a good part of a month
              Of course, this is obvious now, but you don't get to know someone very well in a month. You got to know what she wanted you to know. It can take years to really get to know someone. We're all wearing masks that hide the parts of us we don't want the world to see.

              Rather than hoping a mod will "sticky" this thread, I'd ask them to delete it if I were you. While you're intentions were good, what you may have done it just tell others you're a soft touch and you've told other scammers about an approach that works on you. All they have to do is deviate on the theme a little so it looks fresh.

              If you want to meet someone, step away from the computer and take a class. It doesn't have to be in a formal institution, it could be a pottery class, or painting class, or whatever. Or join a book club, a bowling league, a church group if you gravitate in that direction, or volunteer for a charity, or get a dog and walk it often . . . the point is, get out and do real things that interest you and you'll meet real people with the same interests. Sooner or later one of them will be a girl who is interested in you for the right reasons -- for being yourself.

              Try not to come across as someone in a hurry to be in love because that will scare away everyone except those who are desperate. The bad thing about being desperate is you never know if you love them and they love you, or if it just seems that way because you/she is in love with the idea of being in love.

              Let it happen naturally, Shane. All things in good time.

              Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

              Too, late! I've already sent him a pic of myself in a blond wig while sporting my best pair of falsies.
              I wonder if Sal's book about un-seeing has a chapter about un-seeing word pictures?

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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post


    What l went through will probably save me a lot, long term, and l hope that this submission will help other new and more seasoned marketers, not to be fooled, or at least, do what l should have done, is ask for verifiable data first!

    Thankyou!

    Shane

    Shane;

    Honest to God, man...I though this was a joke, until the ending.

    So...the idea of Not sending money to an online person you have never met....still doesn't occur to you?

    Shane; People who care for you, don't ask you for money. That's what the universe is trying to tell you.
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    P.S. My love i need this information. I need your full address, full surname, date of birth and number of driver licence and date of expery. I am waiting for this information!
    Does "Identity Theft" come to mind?
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  • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

    But over three hours l also noticed a breach in security and a few women around me showing some interest, so that softened the blow slightly. Well the women part!
    Dude! I had to read this again to be sure that I wasn't hallucinating. You're a train wreck waiting to happen.

    You're not aware of the fact the the airport is a frequent haunt of prostitutes looking for business travelers saddled with a few hours long layover? And you're tickled that a 'few' women were paying attention to you? Are there ever instances where a few women ever pay attention to you outside of airport waiting rooms? I kinda doubt it or you probably would not have gone to the lengths you did in an effort to find love. Am I correct?

    Sounds to me like you have way too much of your self-esteem wrapped-up in whether or not you have a women in your life or at least paying a bit of attention to you.

    What's up with that and how's that working for you?

    I hate to be cruel (right), but you need to get your head screwed-on straight, lest the next mercenary be someone in your own back yard that takes you for a very long, slow and expensive ride. If you think that the local authorities will be able to help you because it's a local scam - dream on. This happens to people every day all around the world and a woman does not need to actually commit any type of crime that she could ever be prosecuted for to completely wipe you out, financially.

    I would say, "A word to the wise," but I have not heard anything that confirms the 'wise' aspect of your personality.

    Man up. It's OK not to have a woman in your life and when you are supposed to it will happen without investing anything more than the cost of a nice meal and a modestly priced bottle of wine. I can assure you that it will not involve anything that remotely resembles a financial interrogation from someone who could be from Dun and Bradstreet attempting to qualify you for a $1M loan.

    Remember, it almost impossible for someone to love you if you haven't learned to love yourself. That's not just some trite platitude. That's a fact of life.

    Cheers. - Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    The four sane people here will talk you out of it.
    And what are the rest of us, chopped liver?!
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    Can I borrow $20?
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      A friend of mine's daughter got into being a Financial Dominatrix. Yes, there is a market for that.

      She had a website where she would send a picture of a part of herself for money, insult and dominate a client by phone, text or email, the pay my (adopt a bill) section of it was popular too.

      Some clients attitude were well I'd rather give my money to you than my greedy wife?

      She did really well and a contract was drawn up with clients beforehand that was airtight.

      She took Paypal payments until they eventually pulled the plug. then switched to gift cards.

      She earned thousands from all sorts of people, professional people, doctors etc who would gift her money, laptops, you name it.

      One guy she told me about worked in a signal box and she told him to leave the signal box (not allowed ) and go and buy an ice cream coronet and come back and call her, then she told him to throw it on the ground.

      Unbeliveable stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
    did you think to check the ip address, it is easy enough to do and, at least gives an indication of location

    life goes on
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Shane; If you are going to insist on meeting girls online, there are plenty of sites to find local girls, that you can actually meet and form a real relationship with.

      Don't tell them about this incident. If fact, don't tell anyone else about this incident. No matter how you will describe it...it will hurt you.

      A local (for you) search on Match.com should give you something to think about.
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  • Profile picture of the author rondo
    Shane did you see this article in The Age yesterday? Sounds like a similar situation to yours:
    http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/f...819-3dyge.html


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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      No. There is no such thing as "enough credibility to get the first payment".

      There is no "first payment".

      Man, If I could slap you, to make you wake up, I would.

      Did I read it right? The only thing keeping you from sending her money TWICE was that you maxed out your credit card?

      Man...Oh...Man....You ...are....killing...me....


      If I find out that this whole thing is a joke, you'll be my Hero Forever, because it's a great one.

      I wonder if choking you will help. Because if you are unconscious...you can't send money to people you meet on the internet.

      The fact that you are a nice guy (or so you have led me to believe. Do NOT ask me to send you money), and obviously have little income, just makes this worse.

      The next time you feel the urge to do something like this again, let us know. The four sane people here (and Big Frank) will talk you out of it.
      Well, on reflection not really, l clearly stated that l was clapped out financially and her mother owned her apartment now.

      So if she lost her job, etc then so be it!

      The whole thing is a joke, l wish!

      No l am genuinely a nice guy, honestly, but l do need $1000 immediately so my precious vacumn cleaner doesn't explode and kill everyone within a three mile radius!

      And a predicted earthquake, tidal wave and hoard of locusts don't inundate my home!

      Only you can save me Claude baaaaaaaa, baaaaaa!



      As this article shows, a lot of people here could do what this low life did to me if they were motivated enough!

      But l believe it takes more courage and determination to make it honestly than dishonestly!


      Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

      Dude! I had to read this again to be sure that I wasn't hallucinating. You're a train wreck waiting to happen.

      You're not aware of the fact the the airport is a frequent haunt of prostitutes looking for business travelers saddled with a few hours long layover? And you're tickled that a 'few' women were paying attention to you? Are there ever instances where a few women ever pay attention to you outside of airport waiting rooms? I kinda doubt it or you probably would not have gone to the lengths you did in an effort to find love. Am I correct?

      Sounds to me like you have way too much of your self-esteem wrapped-up in whether or not you have a women in your life or at least paying a bit of attention to you.

      What's up with that and how's that working for you?

      I hate to be cruel (right), but you need to get your head screwed-on straight, lest the next mercenary be someone in your own back yard that takes you for a very long, slow and expensive ride. If you think that the local authorities will be able to help you because it's a local scam - dream on. This happens to people every day all around the world and a woman does not need to actually commit any type of crime that she could ever be prosecuted for to completely wipe you out, financially.

      I would say, "A word to the wise," but I have not heard anything that confirms the 'wise' aspect of your personality.

      Man up. It's OK not to have a woman in your life and when you are supposed to it will happen without investing anything more than the cost of a nice meal and a modestly priced bottle of wine. I can assure you that it will not involve anything that remotely resembles a financial interrogation from someone who could be from Dun and Bradstreet attempting to qualify you for a $1M loan.

      Remember, it almost impossible for someone to love you if you haven't learned to love yourself. That's not just some trite platitude. That's a fact of life.

      Cheers. - Frank
      Don't worry Frank, l have loved myself til l am or was blue in the face, so understand the concept!

      Waiting rooms, wouldn't know about that one?

      But you might be right, but the short Italian lady looking straight at me while waiting with her parents, was probably legit.

      And l was waiting for my fictitious, &*^$!

      Train wreck, hmmm, l would buy a train with serious mechanical issues, getting serviced as we speak as being more accurate!


      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      An emotional based scam. Quite sophisticated too.

      Cant believe you fell for it but all sorts of people do, That's why people keep doing it.

      You say stuff about going to the bar. Dont go to the bar to meet women. Bars generally do not attract the sort you would want to hitch up with and have relationships with, yes their are exceptions but rare. Never met any of my lady friends in bars.

      Set your sights higher by joining organizations or groups for people of like minded interests. Stuff like that. Even a singles group where at least you get to actually meet people.

      When in your teens and early 20's there are parties and a higher social circle of friends to socialize with.

      When you get to your 30's though a lot of them have got married or moved away. It's a lot more difficult to meet women because that social circle has dwindled. You also find more women of similar age are hitched too.

      If your like most men, they do not have the courage to march up to a woman in the street and ask them out.

      So, getting into a social organization or two may be the only way to get back into having a social circle again.

      You are not alone.
      No l only mentioned a bar, to force down a double scotch on ice, to null the pain!

      But l was worried about driving home, so went for a coffee instead!

      Yep, been there tried pretty much all of it! Including being in a social group for a few years.

      But l agree with others, just forget about it, and it will happen on its own.

      I suspect that when l sort myself out financially and socially of course, then it will probably the right place, right time thing!

      Rome wasn't built in a day, but l keep trying!


      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Shane, honestly, you sound like a very easy mark. I'm pm'ing you now. lol.

      You should have had red flags waving long before you did. The first mention of the "hardship" stories and request for money should have done it for you.

      That and the fact that no matter how much you'd like to believe it, there's no such thing as having feelings for or falling in love with a complete stranger online (I've only heard of one or two actual cases that ended up in a relationship, and it didn't involve the "sob story give me money routine.)"

      What you've fallen for is a scam that is ages old and rampant and it sounds like you are a perfect target for it. Not only did this person, who probably looks a lot more like a Nigerian scammer than a cute babe in reality, rip you off for money, he attempted to get enough info from you to steal your identity.

      The fact that you got a computer virus afterwards is also a huge red flag. I hope that you have eradicated it and that you have then gone back and changed every single password that you have online. That virus could have installed a keylogger that transmits all of your logins to this scammer. If you do business online and log into bank accounts and Paypal, like I do, that can be devastating.

      Please buddy ... wise up. Don't let this happen again. Get out of the house and start meeting some real girls. Even an ugly one will do over a beautiful one online that is a figment of your imagination and is only trying to steal from you.
      No real human virus, not PC!

      Only today while writing this, my ears still feel like l am wearing ear plugs constantly, and l am a small step away from feeling nausea!

      I still have a fever as well, which is fun to say the least!


      Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

      Too, late! I've already sent him a pic of myself in a blond wig while sporting my best pair of falsies.

      Get in line.

      Cheers. - Frank

      P.S. Shane - I hope it's not too soon for you to able to start laughing at yourself. It beats the alternative. :-)
      He, he, yes l am getting there! At least being screwed by a pro, gets it out of the way, l can spot a dodgy shiny object from miles away, and a pro scam as well?

      I can't laugh at her though, unless head tearing, and spitting is involved! Well, that and rotting in hell! But that is a given!


      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Can I borrow $20?
      LOL, go see Claude and you will get your answer!


      Originally Posted by hardraysnight View Post

      did you think to check the ip address, it is easy enough to do and, at least gives an indication of location

      life goes on
      No, Chez Republic is a big country, also a scamming capital unfortunately!

      If l had a couple of tactical nukes, then perhaps?


      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      Shane; If you are going to insist on meeting girls online, there are plenty of sites to find local girls, that you can actually meet and form a real relationship with.

      Don't tell them about this incident. If fact, don't tell anyone else about this incident. No matter how you will describe it...it will hurt you.

      A local (for you) search on Match.com should give you something to think about.
      Yes, l was with a quality site for 2 years before realizing, that it was a waste of time, and went for the more dodgy option.

      As l said when my finances pick up my profile picks up, that picks up, l should get a better response rate!


      And gladly ditch the scammers party site!

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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by rondo View Post

        Shane did you see this article in The Age yesterday? Sounds like a similar situation to yours:
        Fool for love


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        Sounds like l did get off lightly, and no Claude, l haven't told anyone else except the police, and a few other relevant institutions.

        10 years, that is pretty hilarious, l have been trying for a tad bit longer than that!

        No wonder l fell so hard for this B***!


        But unlike him l won't go through this crap ever again!!!!


        I have researched it to death, so have a small arsonel of bells, instead of waiting for the occasional big one, to snap me out of it!

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Well, I sure wish my un-see ebook wasn't a joke right now because I really wish I had never clicked on this thread.

    Shane - if you were here right now, I'd slap you silly. Let me tell ya pal - you got off easy. WAYYYYYY easy. Not too many years back - in Boise, a serial killer that called himself something like "Monkey-Man" or some such on the dating sites was arrested with quite a prodigious numbers of murders under his belt -- all women who fell for a lot of crap online and decided it was just fine and dandy to meet this dude in rather precarious locations because they'd emailed back and forth and he was such a great dude.

    Point blank. You need to get a grip. You need to do it fast. How long have you been in a forum that is an excellent source for teaching people how not to get scammed? What the hell have you done with all that info?

    I could use some big bucks right now myself -- and I guarantee I can out write any of that crap that guy was writing to you. And yes. It was a guy - I'm a linguist and can tell just from reading that email you posted that it was no woman writing that swill.

    The correct answer to a situation that you got yourself hooked into is "sorry about your problems, baby. If you get into town sometime, call me and maybe we'll do lunch".

    Don't say I'm being rough on you just because this or that. I have "met" a few guys from online. Local guys. I met them in well populated coffee shops or restaurants - parked where they couldn't get the plate # of my car. They've all turned into a very quick cup of coffee and checking the phone and seeing a phony call I never got and having to "run - sorry, it was nice meeting you" then a very careful glance back here and there to make sure I wasn't being followed.

    I know it can be hard now and then being alone. Even though I'm single by choice, some nights it would just be nice to have someone comfortable around. You know what's worse? Being strapped with someone who's a jackass and you wish wasn't around when they are.

    I've been taken back a few times at the depth to which you feel insult or rejection when someone doesn't see eye to eye with you. You take things extremely personally. That obviously works in reverse as well. It would do you good to remember that when people disagree with you it's not always personal, it's just people being frank with you about what they think. It works the other way around to. Sometimes when people are nice to you it's not personal either. In this case it was actual abuse.

    I think that it's time for you to start thinking a little bit objectively and realizing that everything isn't about Shane and looking at the bigger picture. An egocentric view of the world is a very dangerous thing. Stop it. The person you just dealt with was nothing about Shane. Not one damned thing other than the credit card. Those emails were probably bulk and the person who got the bucks wouldn't know "Shane" even as the name on the payment. Go look at those emails again and tell us what you find in them to be anything about Shane.

    Serious guy - If I sound overly harsh it's because, at this point in the game, I think it's time that harsh is about what you need to get your feet back on the ground.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Well, I sure wish my un-see ebook wasn't a joke right now because I really wish I had never clicked on this thread.

      Shane - if you were here right now, I'd slap you silly. Let me tell ya pal - you got off easy. WAYYYYYY easy. Not too many years back - in Boise, a serial killer that called himself something like "Monkey-Man" or some such on the dating sites was arrested with quite a prodigious numbers of murders under his belt -- all women who fell for a lot of crap online and decided it was just fine and dandy to meet this dude in rather precarious locations because they'd emailed back and forth and he was such a great dude.

      Point blank. You need to get a grip. You need to do it fast. How long have you been in a forum that is an excellent source for teaching people how not to get scammed? What the hell have you done with all that info?

      I could use some big bucks right now myself -- and I guarantee I can out write any of that crap that guy was writing to you. And yes. It was a guy - I'm a linguist and can tell just from reading that email you posted that it was no woman writing that swill.
      True, each email, seemed to go down the "going to bed" and "Can't live without you crap"!

      Can't really answer the forum scam posts, except that when you see some damn light at the end of a very long tunnel, blindness tends to result!

      The correct answer to a situation that you got yourself hooked into is "sorry about your problems, baby. If you get into town sometime, call me and maybe we'll do lunch".

      Don't say I'm being rough on you just because this or that. I have "met" a few guys from online. Local guys. I met them in well populated coffee shops or restaurants - parked where they couldn't get the plate # of my car. They've all turned into a very quick cup of coffee and checking the phone and seeing a phony call I never got and having to "run - sorry, it was nice meeting you" then a very careful glance back here and there to make sure I wasn't being followed.

      I know it can be hard now and then being alone. Even though I'm single by choice, some nights it would just be nice to have someone comfortable around. You know what's worse? Being strapped with someone who's a jackass and you wish wasn't around when they are.
      Yes she or he, whatever, said in several emails, that she was alone in a double bed, and craved some company, blah, blah!

      Literally layed it on with a dump truck, so l wouldn't catch on!

      I literally couldn't believe that a heart seal connection with a scam artist was even possible, but apparently they have witch on their payroll as well?

      I've been taken back a few times at the depth to which you feel insult or rejection when someone doesn't see eye to eye with you. You take things extremely personally. That obviously works in reverse as well. It would do you good to remember that when people disagree with you it's not always personal, it's just people being frank with you about what they think. It works the other way around to. Sometimes when people are nice to you it's not personal either. In this case it was actual abuse.

      I think that it's time for you to start thinking a little bit objectively and realizing that everything isn't about Shane and looking at the bigger picture. An egocentric view of the world is a very dangerous thing. Stop it. The person you just dealt with was nothing about Shane. Not one damned thing other than the credit card. Those emails were probably bulk and the person who got the bucks wouldn't know "Shane" even as the name on the payment. Go look at those emails again and tell us what you find in them to be anything about Shane.

      Serious guy - If I sound overly harsh it's because, at this point in the game, I think it's time that harsh is about what you need to get your feet back on the ground.

      Well some talked about me, but most were general!


      That's ok, Sal a bit of tough love, is also appreciated!

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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        I literally couldn't believe that a heart seal connection with a scam artist was even possible, but apparently they have witch on their payroll as well?
        Shane, this is what bothers me. Heartseal connection? It was not a heartseal connection. The feelings that you felt were nothing more than hope, longing, loneliness. The feelings he had ... joy that he found such an easy mark.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          Shane, this is what bothers me. Heartseal connection? It was not a heartseal connection. The feelings that you felt were nothing more than hope, longing, loneliness. The feelings he had ... joy that he found such an easy mark.
          You beat me to it.

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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Scam artists are "artists" because they know what to say to paint the picture you want to buy.

            The financial scammers promote riches without effort or because you are important enough to be on the "inside track".

            Diet scammers promote products and draw mental images of how slender and fit you will be without any effort.

            The basic of any "con" is a person who can convince you to believe your dreams of riches, fame, wealth...LOVE...are coming true.

            The problem with online dating scams is what YOU fall for is not the person - or the bad English - or the questionable story lines of needing money. What happens is you spin this scam story around the dream of "perfect love" in your mind and you create a reality that doesn't exist.

            As for the story of the other guy (the link posted) he was supposedly out of college the first time he was "scammed by luv" but repeatedly refers to what his mother told him to do. That fellow has more problems than romance...
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Yeah, some of us think of these scammers as "Professionals". But really, their methods are pretty crude. They just need to find someone who has a need to believe their line.
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              • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                Shane, this is what bothers me. Heartseal connection? It was not a heartseal connection. The feelings that you felt were nothing more than hope, longing, loneliness. The feelings he had ... joy that he found such an easy mark.
                Yes, l didn't really see it that way, this creature having done this so many times, know what l was probably feeling and prayed on that as well, making it sound like something special!

                I hope that this thread will fall off the radar soon, l tend to feel sick every time l come back here!

                Not good when getting over a virus!

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                • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
                  Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                  .If you want to meet someone, step away from the computer and take a class. It doesn't have to be in a formal institution, it could be a pottery class, or painting class, or whatever. Or join a book club, a bowling league, a church group if you gravitate in that direction, or volunteer for a charity, or get a dog and walk it often . . . the point is, get out and do real things that interest you and you'll meet real people with the same interests. Sooner or later one of them will be a girl who is interested in you for the right reasons -- for being yourself.

                  Try not to come across as someone in a hurry to be in love because that will scare away everyone except those who are desperate. The bad thing about being desperate is you never know if you love them and they love you, or if it just seems that way because you/she is in love with the idea of being in love.
                  ^^^ Shane, this is sage advice. Please take it to heart.


                  Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                  I hope that this thread will fall off the radar soon, l tend to feel sick every time l come back here!
                  I know what you mean, but at the same time I'm hoping you felt you could expose yourself in such a way because you know you have friends here who would look out for you, given the chance. I can't add much to what's already been said, other than to implore you to take heed of the advice you've already received.

                  There's no shame in being taken in; it's the scammers who are the shameful ones. But if you don't learn from this, it WILL happen again. Please don't let it.


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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                  Yes, l didn't really see it that way, this creature having done this so many times, know what l was probably feeling and prayed on that as well, making it sound like something special!
                  Shane; The person didn't know you or how you were feeling. You created all that out of a wish for a relationship. Really.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    It's only a bad experience if you don't learn from it

    There are all kinds of predators out there. I've got a profile on one of the more popular dating sites. Several times I've been contacted by women much younger than I. I realize there are plenty of women that dig older guys. Still when a young chick makes contact it always arouses my suspicion. Earlier this year a gal contacted me with a long articulate appeal that we should get together. Optimistically cautious I wrote back. We exchanged a few emails. After the third one I just sensed something was weird. I don't know what made me do it but I copied a short paragraph from one of her messages and Googled it. What an eye opener.

    I found a series of paint by the numbers romantic templates. The same stuff she'd been sending me. I was blown away. The gal that had contacted me wasn't very creative as someone with just a little imagination could customize these things and do some serious damage. There were a couple of lessons there for me. One, trust your gut. The other was that there seems to be no limits to what some people will do to rip you off. I'm no pushover but had this women been a little more sophisticated I can't say what I might have done.

    There's another story that again, related to the age issue. There's a national Website called meetup.com. It's not a dating site. It's an everything site. Any conceivable thing you might want to discuss with other people is open. Anyone can start a group and hold meetings. Meetup.com just acts as a facilitator. I joined a group devoted to discussing metaphysics. I attended the first meeting and wasn't all that impressed. With one exception.

    There was a blonde there that was just amazing. Dressed to the nines, pretty, smart, the works. Meetup.com allows group members to share as much info as they want. I pretty much had everything out there. So this blonde contacts me on Facebook the day after the meeting and wants to be friends. No big deal I thought. So I friended her. Then I start getting private messages and she's asking me what I like to do, am I single, any kids, etc. I thought it was a bit on the aggressive side but answered and then asked her the same stuff.

    Her messages began to get more personal and familiar so I asked her to lunch. We went out a couple of times and I felt really good. But still, I was getting a weird vibe. Long story short. I was going through my pants pocket before washing them and pulled out her phone number. She'd given it to me over FB and I kept it. I put it on my desk. Later that day just for the hell of it I did a Google search on the number.

    OMG!


    La la la Lola! She's a transexual escort. I find eight ads on four different sites explaining all the weird shit she's willing to do if you book a "date." She's using the exact same picture she uses on Facebook. Now, I've kissed this "person" a couple of times and almost feel dirty saying I enjoyed it.

    Here's the part about trusting your gut. When this individual sat across the table from me at our first lunch date I got this weird feeling that she might have been a transgender. She has sort of a husky voice and wolfed her food down like a freakin' linebacker. But my head immediately jumped to one of the pics she has up on FB. It's her and a younger blonde woman in a light embrace. The caption: My beautiful daughter. So I shrugged off my gut instinct and just went along with it knowing sex change babes don't have babies. Ugh.

    Needless to say, I called her on everything and she denied it all saying her girlfriends put the ads up as a practical joke and even if it was true it was none of my business, yadda, yadda.

    I wrote a short poem about the experience:

    I once kissed a girl who once was a boy and all I could say was "OY!" Live and learn.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

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      La la la Lola! She's a transexual escort. I find eight ads on four different sites explaining all the weird shit she's willing to do if you book a "date." She's using the exact same picture she uses on Facebook. Now, I've kissed this "person" a couple of times and almost feel dirty saying I enjoyed it.

      Here's the part about trusting your gut. When this individual sat across the table from me at our first lunch date I got this weird feeling that she might have been a transgender. She has sort of a husky voice and wolfed her food down like a freakin' linebacker. But my head immediately jumped to one of the pics she has up on FB. It's her and a younger blonde woman in a light embrace. The caption: My beautiful daughter. So I shrugged off my gut instinct and just went along with it knowing sex change babes don't have babies. Ugh.

      Needless to say, I called her on everything and she denied it all saying her girlfriends put the ads up as a practical joke and even if it was true it was none of my business, yadda, yadda.

      I wrote a short poem about the experience:

      I once kissed a girl who once was a boy and all I could say was "OY!" Live and learn.
      Do you still have her/his phone number? I'm asking for a friend.
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        Do you still have her/his phone number? I'm asking for a friend.
        Thanks, Claude - but I'm good.

        Cheers. - Frank
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          Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

          Thanks, Claude - but I'm good.

          Cheers. - Frank
          I meant my gay friend, Dan.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            I meant my gay friend, Dan.
            I actually thought you were inquiring on your own behalf. I was just trying to give you cover.

            Cheers. - Frank
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

              I actually thought you were inquiring on your own behalf. I was just trying to give you cover.

              Cheers. - Frank
              Thanks. You're a great Wing Man.
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                Thanks. You're a great Wing Man.
                Yep. One extremely, multi-talented individual and I also give lower-back massages.

                Cheers. - Frank
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                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  Thanks. You're a great Wing Man.
                  Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                  Yep. One extremely, multi-talented individual and I also give lower-back massages.

                  Cheers. - Frank
                  Get a room.
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                  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                    Ok that's enough OMG and I cant believe you did that and lecturing for Shane. He's been told in no uncertain terms what a Silly Billy he has been.

                    Time to move forward. How can we help him achieve his goal of finding that perfect soulmate.

                    My contribution would of course be to enlist that most talented ladies man that frequents this forum and to that end I have paid a $500.00 deposit to enlist his services (thank me later Shane) His way with the ladies legendary. His insights and advice will be priceless. His courage, shamelessness and gall are a true inspiration to all men.

                    I ask that you reveal yourself on this thread, come forward Stoltingmedia group.
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                    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                      Shane, this is what bothers me. Heartseal connection? It was not a heartseal connection. The feelings that you felt were nothing more than hope, longing, loneliness. The feelings he had ... joy that he found such an easy mark.
                      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                      ^^^ Shane, this is sage advice. Please take it to heart.

                      Well, yes to a point, she, (l talked on the phone) explained this thread between us, meaning she got lucky or more likely knew how her victims felt, so she could use that as well!

                      True she was in love with, buying half a dozen designer shoes or $700 EU handbags, not me!

                      I know what you mean, but at the same time I'm hoping you felt you could expose yourself in such a way because you know you have friends here who would look out for you, given the chance. I can't add much to what's already been said, other than to implore you to take heed of the advice you've already received.

                      There's no shame in being taken in; it's the scammers who are the shameful ones. But if you don't learn from this, it WILL happen again. Please don't let it.
                      I won't, l won't lend a dime to anyone l don't know, unless they provide information about themselves that cannot be faked.

                      Frank
                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      Shane; The person didn't know you or how you were feeling. You created all that out of a wish for a relationship. Really.


                      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                      Ok that's enough OMG and I cant believe you did that and lecturing for Shane. He's been told in no uncertain terms what a Silly Billy he has been.

                      Time to move forward. How can we help him achieve his goal of finding that perfect soulmate.

                      My contribution would of course be to enlist that most talented ladies man that frequents this forum and to that end I have paid a $500.00 deposit to enlist his services (thank me later Shane) His way with the ladies legendary. His insights and advice will be priceless. His courage, shamelessness and gall are a true inspiration to all men.

                      I ask that you reveal yourself on this thread, come forward Stoltingmedia group.
                      He, he, sounds good and don't forget that l want my 12% cut!


                      But on a more positive note, something l was hoping and at the moment, praying for, would happen has happened.

                      So clearing away my dept, including what l gave to the sub-creature, should be possible.

                      Yes, 6.5 years of mainly hard work, frustration, and longing to make my Laptop airborne, has paid off!

                      It never ceases to amaze me, that all the times when l was at rock bottom, someone or something very positive occurs.


                      So probably good that this happened now, rather than later!

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                  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                    Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                    Get a room.
                    Can we use yours? Of course, the car shaped bunk beds may be a problem.


                    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post


                    I ask that you reveal yourself on this thread, come forward Stoltingmedia group.
                    OK, that was pretty funny. You are now invited to share a room with Big Frank, and myself. I'm taking Riffle up on his offer. You are also invited. On the door, will be painted "He Man Woman Haters Club. No Yucky Girls Or Riffles Allowed".

                    Of course, the bunk beds will still be a problem.

                    Shane is now also invited, because he needs our coaching. But we need to search Shane, to make sure he isn't smuggling in a stray Riffle.
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      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      So I shrugged off my gut instinct and just went along with it knowing sex change babes don't have babies. Ugh.
      It never occurred to you that "she" might be the father?
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    As Dennis and others have implied (but it is actually a fact), the number one place to meet a partner is at night-school/tech/college/a course.

    You'll meet women you have something in common with. Even if they are all partnered up, they will invite you to parties/dinners/etc., where you'll meet their single friends. Because they know what a great guy you are, they'll throw in a good word for you to them.

    You're welcome.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      As Dennis and others have implied (but it is actually a fact), the number one place to meet a partner is at night-school/tech/college/a course.

      You'll meet women you have something in common with. Even if they are all partnered up, they will invite you to parties/dinners/etc., where you'll meet their single friends. Because they know what a great guy you are, they'll throw in a good word for you to them.

      You're welcome.
      Good point Whateverpedia, l was or did go to a newagish group a year or so ago, probably need to consider that group again?

      Certainly better than a dating site, that has been pretty useless, unless l plan to meet a veteterran with a masters digree in sociology?

      Or stay a member on the other one, with the list of scammers. Maybe they should rename that one...

      Golddiggers.com ?



      PS Thanks!

      Well, thanks to everyone who posted positive comments and the ones that didn't, l am glad this thread wasn't trolled, l might have had to let the mods delete the lot, but thankfully it has stayed positive overall!
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      As Dennis and others have implied (but it is actually a fact), the number one place to meet a partner is at night-school/tech/college/a course.

      You'll meet women you have something in common with. Even if they are all partnered up, they will invite you to parties/dinners/etc., where you'll meet their single friends. Because they know what a great guy you are, they'll throw in a good word for you to them.

      You're welcome.
      Shane;

      I learned how to meet women by observing stray cats, getting to know each other.

      I follow a women I'm interested in. When she turns around, I act like I wasn't following her. This way, she gets used to my presence. That's the trick. Every day, just follow a little closer. Maybe offer her a cracker.

      After a few months, she will get used to seeing you, and one day, you can just show up at her kitchen for breakfast, and she won't be startled.

      OK, to be fair, I haven't tried it on a woman yet, but it works well with stray cats.

      You're welcome.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Shane;

        I learned how to meet women by observing stray cats, getting to know each other.

        I follow a women I'm interested in. When she turns around, I act like I wasn't following her. This way, she gets used to my presence. That's the trick. Every day, just follow a little closer. Maybe offer her a cracker.

        After a few months, she will get used to seeing you, and one day, you can just show up at her kitchen for breakfast, and she won't be startled.

        OK, to be fair, I haven't tried it on a woman yet, but it works well with stray cats.

        You're welcome.
        God, you are opening the door way to much for Dan, so l will let him, surgetly destroy the above statement!


        Cats eh, and l was all set with my fluffy bunny down the pants routine?

        I was going to breed about 3 million of them, and send them for free to every woman who lives in Chez republic, with the inplicid instructions of...

        Dear Madam, (probably of the night) this free gift has been tailored to your specific needs, especially if you are a sphyco, b*** with dollar signs in our eyes, blah, blah.

        Then after a few well vursed lines of text from the bible, like rotting in hell, (but in a nice way) we would get to speficic instructions for use. Namely...

        • Remove starving rabbit from steel cake, (please note no rabbits were hurt during this writing, but l did my best).

        • Place starving rabbit on kitchen table with steel meshed, reinforced fabric glove, (which is half gone by now).

        • Stand with face directly pointing at rabbit, especially if you have a basement of large tin cans full of &**(^ money!

        • Let nature gets its sweet revenge!

        • Get the large mop and bucket out before or after intensive care.

        • Let the rabbit go back into the wild so he can sniff out more schyco b**** that only care about money!


        Hmmm, maybe l should chance my avatar text to "almost fluffy bunny slayer?



        I think that l am operating on the dark side to much of late! As the green blob says...


        FEAR LEADS TO HATE.
        HATE LEADS TO POWER.
        POWER LEADS TO CONTROL.
        CONTROL LEADS TO FUN, (but it could have been self destruction)?

        And the last part of course....

        FUN LEADS TO HATE, (don't believe me watch a clown, scary)!!!!
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          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          God, you are opening the door way to much for Dan, so l will let him, surgetly destroy the above statement!


          Cats eh, and l was all set with my fluffy bunny down the pants routine?

          I was going to breed about 3 million of them, and send them for free to every woman who lives in Chez republic, with the inplicid instructions of...

          Dear Madam, (probably of the night) this free gift has been tailored to your specific needs, especially if you are a sphyco, b*** with dollar signs in our eyes, blah, blah.

          Then after a few well vursed lines of text from the bible, like rotting in hell, (but in a nice way) we would get to speficic instructions for use. Namely...

          • Remove starving rabbit from steel cake, (please note no rabbits were hurt during this writing, but l did my best).

          • Place starving rabbit on kitchen table with steel meshed, reinforced fabric glove, (which is half gone by now).

          • Stand with face directly pointing at rabbit, especially if you have a basement of large tin cans full of &**(^ money!

          • Let nature gets its sweet revenge!

          • Get the large mop and bucket out before or after intensive care.

          • Let the rabbit go back into the wild so he can sniff out more schyco b**** that only care about money!


          Hmmm, maybe l should chance my avatar text to "almost fluffy bunny slayer?



          I think that l am operating on the dark side to much of late! As the green blob says...


          FEAR LEADS TO HATE.
          HATE LEADS TO POWER.
          POWER LEADS TO CONTROL.
          CONTROL LEADS TO FUN, (but it could have been self destruction)?

          And the last part of course....

          FUN LEADS TO HATE, (don't believe me watch a clown, scary)!!!!

          Shane; Or....or...maybe there are girls in Australia.
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          • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
            oh my goodness, Shane -. I'm sorry this happened to you.

            When you least expect it, love will come to you - and you'll know it's real because the person will be interested in you, not your money.

            take care
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          • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Shane; Or....or...maybe there are girls in Australia.
            As I suspected, it's happening already, the resentment, the incessant ranting of gibberish, the plotting of revenge, the foaming at the mouth. The slippery slope to madness, this wont end well.

            Where oh where are you Stoltingmedia Group when your needed. I'm beginning to regret paying you that $500.00 deposit, I mean, I hardly even know you but you you seemed such a nice guy on that train.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Shane;

        I learned how to meet women by observing stray cats, getting to know each other.

        I follow a women I'm interested in. When she turns around, I act like I wasn't following her. This way, she gets used to my presence. That's the trick. Every day, just follow a little closer. Maybe offer her a cracker.

        After a few months, she will get used to seeing you, and one day, you can just show up at her kitchen for breakfast, and she won't be startled.

        OK, to be fair, I haven't tried it on a woman yet, but it works well with stray cats.

        You're welcome.
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          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          Where oh where are you Stoltingmedia Group when your needed.

          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Man, you sure are hitting on all cylinders tonight. This, and the "Shell" crack on the tortoise thread.....
            Three Virtual Ouija boards on three computers allows for a wider choice of Simultaneous Deceased Comic Ghost Writers. The participation of Robin Williams since he died was a boost and I never realized how funny Trotsky really was until he started putting forward his quips today.

            Cant have them all the time though as they spend a lot of their time putting together Riffles one liners for him which takes a lot of spiritual energy. They do Frank Donovan's as well which often requires extensive research. Big Franks are exclusively written by Vlad The Impaler which sometimes gets him banned.

            How else do you think we can hope to keep up with you and Terra K.
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            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Shane; Or....or...maybe there are girls in Australia.
              Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

              As I suspected, it's happening already, the resentment, the incessant ranting of gibberish, the plotting of revenge, the foaming at the mouth. The slippery slope to madness, this wont end well.

              Where oh where are you Stoltingmedia Group when your needed. I'm beginning to regret paying you that $500.00 deposit, I mean, I hardly even know you but you you seemed such a nice guy on that train.
              The foaming at the mouth, classic!

              For the record l only foam at the mouth a few times a day, when l take some ENO, to cut down on this damn queasy stomach!

              I haven't been able to touch chocolate either for a week, l chanced some passion-fruit cheesecake a week ago, without any ill affects!

              I would love to open the "Fluffy Rabbits book of the Dead" but quoting religion might get me into hot water so?


              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Man, you sure are hitting on all cylinders tonight. This, and the "Shell" crack on the tortoise thread.....


              Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

              Three Virtual Ouija boards on three computers allows for a wider choice of Simultaneous Deceased Comic Ghost Writers. The participation of Robin Williams since he died was a boost and I never realized how funny Trotsky really was until he started putting forward his quips today.

              Cant have them all the time though as they spend a lot of their time putting together Riffles one liners for him which takes a lot of spiritual energy. They do Frank Donovan's as well which often requires extensive research. Big Franks are exclusively written by Vlad The Impaler which sometimes gets him banned.

              How else do you think we can hope to keep up with you and Terra K.
              Gee, l have all of my fluffy martain buddies, line up on mile long Ouija boards, to give me predictions.

              But it is either cousin, 1239 is pregnant, or friend 1,234,789 has met someone who fell pregnant, and is at 1000 and counting!

              Or l hope that damn rover doesn't mess up my Mothers, brothers, rabbit hole?



              On a more positive note today, l found out that the dating site l am still with has pulled her profile completely off their site. Or most likely others told then she was a scammer!

              At least this sub-creature will have to start from scratch!
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    Shane, how many 'shrooms do you consume before you post? Just so you know, a handful is too much.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      Shane, how many 'shrooms do you consume before you post? Just so you know, a handful is too much.
      Shrooms????? Maybe you mean mushrooms, niah we don't really have those here!


      I might read a few pages form the fluffy bunny death book, while consuming, Jack Daniels on the rocks, with a couple of disprins, and tranquilizers thrown it, just to make it scary!

      Although the Idiots Guide to The Top 10 Things Men Want to Do to, Con-artist Women" but were afraid to ask, is on my short list!


      But l don't have any ill=feelings towards her, at all as long as...

      l could meet her in a large padded, soundproofed white room, with a large drain, and a large wooden meat cleaver!

      But rotting in an Asian prison for at least 20 years would be a close second!

      I was surprised at how many people come to AU, with their luggage wrapped up in plastic!




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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Shane;

        I learned how to meet women by observing stray cats, getting to know each other.
        I watched 2 stray cats meet each other just now and they sniffed each others bottoms. Please do not suggest this type of social interaction to Shane. The last thing he needs now is to be arrested.

        Shane, I'm very sorry to hear this happened.

        I'm not quite sure what to say other than love is very, very blind. I think you should realise that Australia is full of some extremely nice and attractive ladies, you don't have to venture far to meet them and in future I'd stick to those closer to home.

        You've had a lot of good advice in this thread and I hope you take it in. No one, I repeat no one asks for money before they've even met someone if they're intentions are honourable.

        I know you won't like me saying this but on a spiritual level, the sceptics are not currently doing a runner on this one.

        Chin up Shane, you'll be ok and fair play for having the guts to post about it here.
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          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          I watched 2 stray cats meet each other just now and they sniffed each others bottoms. Please do not suggest this type of social interaction to Shane. The last thing he needs now is to be arrested.

          Shane, I'm very sorry to hear this happened.

          I'm not quite sure what to say other than love is very, very blind. I think you should realise that Australia is full of some extremely nice and attractive ladies, you don't have to venture far to meet them and in future I'd stick to those closer to home.

          You've had a lot of good advice in this thread and I hope you take it in. No one, I repeat no one asks for money before they've even met someone if they're intentions are honourable.

          I know you won't like me saying this but on a spiritual level, the sceptics are not currently doing a runner on this one.

          Chin up Shane, you'll be ok and fair play for having the guts to post about it here.

          Yep, this is the only place l can, well here and another forum. Grueltyagainstfluffybunnines.com.

          My guts, at least my guts isn't queezy today, after a week of feeling sick every few hours.

          The more l think about it and her, the more l feel the definition of the lowest form of human on this planet, (apart from Dan of course, blame Claude) is her in the dictionary.

          Doesn't matter how little you have this B**** will go after it regardless, and break your heart for kicks!

          She said that she was into Pirates of the Caribbean, (figures) and romance novels!


          I would never take advantage of someone in order to take it further, and l could have several times.

          But l don't use people, so my conscience is about as clean as is possible, and can't comprehend these creatures thought processes?


          Might be the same as a drug carrier? I am in my 60's a pensioner, with two cents to rub together, and everything rising around me! With a future of destitute, hardship and pestering my friends and family for money to get by.

          And all l have to do is try this once, get away with it, and l am free for life!

          Unless they get cought, then their worries are over, but the accommodation sucks!

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            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post


            My guts, at least my guts isn't queezy today, after a week of feeling sick every few hours.

            The more l think about it and her, the more l feel the definition of the lowest form of human on this planet
            Time is a great healer, not that you want to hear that but if I could say something, try not to dwell on it, you'll only do yourself harm and make it into something bigger.

            She's a nasty piece of work, she shouldn't have done it to a chap like you but it happened and all you can do is move on and you can see from the response to your OP you have a lot of people here that genuinely care about you. Including me.
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            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
              Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

              Time is a great healer, not that you want to hear that but if I could say something, try not to dwell on it, you'll only do yourself harm and make it into something bigger.

              She's a nasty piece of work, she shouldn't have done it to a chap like you but it happened and all you can do is move on and you can see from the response to your OP you have a lot of people here that genuinely care about you. Including me.
              Thanks Richard!


              Don't worry, when l came home from Melbourne Airport, (you do have some attractive women over there too, by the way) the thought of finding a distant healthy and strong tree, and flooring it, entered my mind a few times.

              But one thing l have learned, is when l am at my lowest, something good usually happens!


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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                Thanks Richard!


                Don't worry, when l came home from Melbourne Airport, (you do have some attractive women over there too, by the way) the thought of finding a distant healthy and strong tree, and flooring it, entered my mind a few times.

                But one thing l have learned, is when l am at my lowest, something good usually happens!


                I like facts. Here are a few facts.

                What you did was incredibly dumb.

                All of us have done something equally as dumb, at least once in our lives.

                And now, it's over. Every post here was from people who care about you. Or at least care about who we think you are. Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and get on with your life.

                And don't tell anyone else about this, especially women. There is no sympathetic version of this story.


                And...you got off easy. It could have been much much worse.
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Shane: I want you to feel better. I will now tell you about the stupidest thing I have ever done (not involving Riffle)

                  I sold vacuum cleaners in people's homes, for 35 years or so. I was great at it, and made tons of money.

                  About 25 years ago, A new company Supervisor decided to change how these vacuum cleaners were sold (The vacuum also shampooed carpet).

                  Sooooo instead of making appointments to demonstrate our vacuum cleaner, we offered to shampoo a room of carpet for free.

                  And instead of paying our salespeople on sales made, we paid them on every carpet they shampooed.

                  I had never done it this way, but assumed that our fearless leader knew what he was talking about.

                  At the time, I had about $250,000 in savings....and a thriving business....selling vacuum cleaners.

                  So I ran ads, hiring people to shampoo carpets. They were busy all day, shampooing carpets. They each made close to $1,000 a week, just shampooing carpets.

                  It was an amazing plan, except for one thing. Nobody was selling anything..at all....ever...

                  My $250,000 lasted about 6 months. In that 6 months, there were about a dozen sales...all made by me.

                  I was hemorrhaging about $8,000 a week in payroll. Plus my overhead.

                  So..one day.....I walked in the office, fired everyone, and went back to doing what I knew worked.

                  Oh, not only was I out the money, but I had no income for 6 months. Nothing was coming in. I was working...supervising 8 or 9 nonproductive salespeople isn't easy. But no income.

                  I replaced a few of these guys, but paying for cleaning carpet, and not for sales...leaves a trail of clean carpets, and no sales.

                  The reason I kept at it for 6 months? The supervisor kept telling me that he was doing the exact same thing, and making a killing. So, I assumed that I was simply doing it wrong.

                  Nope. It was just a stupid idea. And the results were what you get, when you don't learn from your stupid ideas.

                  Of course, the supervisor went bankrupt......and it's the only time I ever partially blamed someone else for my mistakes. And today, of course, I know that I only had myself to blame. I knew better.

                  So.....you think you lost money on a stupid idea? Watch old Uncle Claude in action.

                  My wife (at the time, only for a year or so) almost left me over this. That money was saved for a new home. Sometimes blind faith in another person, or idea...can be costly.

                  The guy wasn't trying to cheat me. He really thought he had a great idea. But I didn't know that it wasn't tested (Me and about 30 other distributors). It was just an idea he had. And a lot of smoke and mirrors. The company lost the most. They almost went out of business, because of this insane program. And it took them almost a year to fire the guy.

                  And we all lost huge amounts of money.

                  But we are all big boys, and we all just chalked it up to a learning experience. A year later, we were all in Las Vegas, at the company convention, laughing about it, and we went around the room... each of us saying how much we lost. I wasn't the winner.


                  You are not alone.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Shane,

    Predators gonna go after prey. The scorpion always stings the frog.

    There have been con men throughout history because it works - at least a little, for at least a little while.
    Meaning that there have always been victims - and always will be something vulnerable and nice in a lot of people. At different times in their life.

    When I was young and tired of working for other people and had just vowed to become self-employed
    come hell or high water, I invested in a passive income opportunity. I even thought I was clever because I "negotiated" to get in for a lot less than the $15,000 the con men wanted to become full "distributors"
    with "exclusive" territories. I even met another distributor who did pay the full 15K (I paid 3K). She was a
    college degreed, commercial airline pilot. Something vulnerable in all of us that these guys took advantage
    of. Many get sick of working for someone else, or want passive income, or get rocked to the core by their
    employers' reaction to a down economy.

    Anyway, sorry it happened to you. Am glad it was not more money involved. Am also glad violence was not involved. I worked as a doorman, aka bouncer, at a night club. We saw a lot of people meet in person for the first time after meeting through Craigslist or an internet dating sight. The smart women would have their friends near by in case they needed to get away from a "dud", or they could get the signal that things were ok.

    One time, though, this female - who was a bartender (of all professions - you'd think she would know better) - drove 65 miles to meet her internet match at his house. She left her truck at his house and they came to our bar in his SUV. He got drunk and was taken away by the sheriffs, whom we rarely called for the drunk and disorderlies. She stayed the night on the couch at another doorman's house. When they went to retrieve her truck, her belongings were all over the "date's" lawn, and her truck battery was in two pieces on the ground. For some reason, luckily, the guy was not around and it is good she did not go home with him.

    As Dennis and the others have said, meet girls where you are at your best. Doing stuff you are interested in. Classes, groups, volunteer stuff...

    If you do try the internet route again and think she might be worth pursuing, use some video chat thing first. Or, if local, meet for lunch or tea somewhere and take cautions. (I did that once too. Gave out a little too much info and this girl from the internet figured out where I worked and called pretending to be my sister. Bit stalkerish, but just an annoying experience and she left me alone.)

    One other thing, you were not in a caring, committed, exclusive real relationship with this con person.
    So, you would not have been breaking any rules or codes if you at least got the number of that Italian woman at the airport. Take the stress and false hope and pressure away by realizing that there a lot of women out there to meet for a lot of different reasons until you find the one you are going to become mutually exclusive with. You'll meet some for friendship, some for business, some for dating, some may introduce you to their friends or relatives... Abundance.

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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      Shane: I want you to feel better. I will now tell you about the stupidest thing I have ever done (not involving Riffle)

      I sold vacuum cleaners in people's homes, for 35 years or so. I was great at it, and made tons of money.

      About 25 years ago, A new company Supervisor decided to change how these vacuum cleaners were sold (The vacuum also shampooed carpet).

      Sooooo instead of making appointments to demonstrate our vacuum cleaner, we offered to shampoo a room of carpet for free.

      And instead of paying our salespeople on sales made, we paid them on every carpet they shampooed.

      I had never done it this way, but assumed that our fearless leader knew what he was talking about.

      At the time, I had about $250,000 in savings....and a thriving business....selling vacuum cleaners.

      So I ran ads, hiring people to shampoo carpets. They were busy all day, shampooing carpets. They each made close to $1,000 a week, just shampooing carpets.

      It was an amazing plan, except for one thing. Nobody was selling anything..at all....ever...

      My $250,000 lasted about 6 months. In that 6 months, there were about a dozen sales...all made by me.

      I was hemorrhaging about $8,000 a week in payroll. Plus my overhead.

      So..one day.....I walked in the office, fired everyone, and went back to doing what I knew worked.

      Oh, not only was I out the money, but I had no income for 6 months. Nothing was coming in. I was working...supervising 8 or 9 nonproductive salespeople isn't easy. But no income.

      I replaced a few of these guys, but paying for cleaning carpet, and not for sales...leaves a trail of clean carpets, and no sales.

      The reason I kept at it for 6 months? The supervisor kept telling me that he was doing the exact same thing, and making a killing. So, I assumed that I was simply doing it wrong.

      Nope. It was just a stupid idea. And the results were what you get, when you don't learn from your stupid ideas.

      Of course, the supervisor went bankrupt......and it's the only time I ever partially blamed someone else for my mistakes. And today, of course, I know that I only had myself to blame. I knew better.

      So.....you think you lost money on a stupid idea? Watch old Uncle Claude in action.

      My wife (at the time, only for a year or so) almost left me over this. That money was saved for a new home. Sometimes blind faith in another person, or idea...can be costly.

      The guy wasn't trying to cheat me. He really thought he had a great idea. But I didn't know that it wasn't tested (Me and about 30 other distributors). It was just an idea he had. And a lot of smoke and mirrors. The company lost the most. They almost went out of business, because of this insane program. And it took them almost a year to fire the guy.

      And we all lost huge amounts of money.

      But we are all big boys, and we all just chalked it up to a learning experience. A year later, we were all in Las Vegas, at the company convention, laughing about it, and we went around the room... each of us saying how much we lost. I wasn't the winner.


      You are not alone.
      Thanks Claude!


      Yes, see this all too often in movies, the original series is brilliant, and ticks all the boxes and 99% of the time the remake of the movie or tv series is crap!

      Why?

      A group of inexperienced, teenagers, get together with a pile of cash behind them, and try to make it better by drastically changing it, in other words, F**** it up so much, not even a die hard fan would bother!


      The Time Tunnel, 1966 version, is a classic example, of this. The original series, brilliant, really captures the essence of how we would like the concept to be. Enormous budgets, a hidden complex, a clean and fresh lab, and a seriously cool looking tunnel, that stretches on for a good km, or 2!

      Then we get the 201? something remake version of it, crap!!!!

      It is set in a long tunnel, or a leftover from the cold war. The tunnel is a series of rings, or what they called hot fusion, and when they turned it on, it causes the time effect!

      Now, the whole complex, apart from the control tower, is ugly, water streaked cement, and a long tunnel that looks about as inspiring as the inside of a aircraft being built!

      The tunnel apparently attracts time storms, groan, that make the occupants disappear, and of course, since time storms naturally occur, individuals get thrown from one event to another, and they have to go back and fix it!

      BORING!!!!

      What is it with these morons????? They have a brilliant concept and then F**** it all up?

      So l will watch all the old one,s but modern, no, l will just throw it in with the recent Doctor Who series, and hope that the thrashed, take over the world, slimey creature in the basement niche gets ditched!

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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        You see Claude! If you had just incorporated a bit of Time Tunnel Quantum Theory into your carpet shampooing sales patter and got your salesmen to foam at the mouth a little you would have become a millionaire.

        It all makes perfect sense now!
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          You see Claude! If you had just incorporated a bit of Time Tunnel Quantum Theory into your carpet shampooing sales patter and got your salesmen to foam at the mouth a little you would have become a millionaire.

          It all makes perfect sense now!
          No, half naked woman, or in this instance showing this to housewives half naked men, dancing around with HD video footable being caught, would do it!

          Claude does California, niah!

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  • Profile picture of the author Greg71
    I used to do some reading on a site that was a group of people into "scambaiting". You know those Nigerian emails you get saying they've got $500k to transfer into your country and you can have $100k, it's the inheritance of blah blah?

    These guys respond and string the scammers along, for months at a time. The goal is to waste as much of the scammer's time and money as possible, as this distracts them from getting other victims.

    I used to be in actual tears of laughter reading some of them. And the stuff they would make them do, like "My company requires photo proof that you are indeed Mr ..... before we send you the $5k transfer fee" (which is what the scammers are after in the first place). So these Nigerians would get a tattoo of the fictitious company name and send a photo, or whatever crazy stuff the baiter would get them to do. It was hilarious.

    You could play them along if you get bored. Turn it into a positive.

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