The Bosnian Pyramids.

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    Interesting. I saw a video when they first discovered the pyramid and were just getting around to proving that it wasn't a natural mountain. Of course, got called a "conspiracy threorist, and nutcase" for believing they had something. Now it's been proven real, I want to find out more about what all they've found. Thanks for the heads up on the progress they've made with it.
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    Pyramids are being found all over the world in the most unexpected places. I am glad this is coming out!
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  • Profile picture of the author AdeptiveAdsAaron
    oh yeah they had a discovery special on this the other day right? I dvr'd it and will watch it tonight
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Call me naive, but after all the geological and other scientists who have proven that the so-called "Bosnian pyramids" are natural formations, without any genuine sign or even suspicion of human construction, and after so many archaeologists have irrefutably exposed all Osmanagić's so-called "discoveries" there as a complete fraud and a hoax (as even some of his own former supporters have now openly admitted), I really didn't imagine that there were still people who believe these are "pyramids".

      I should have known better.

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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Call me naive, but after all the geological and other scientists who have proven that the so-called "Bosnian pyramids" are natural formations, without any genuine sign or even suspicion of human construction, and after so many archaeologists have irrefutably exposed all Osmanagić's so-called "discoveries" there as a complete fraud and a hoax (as even some of his own former supporters have now openly admitted), I really didn't imagine that there were still people who believe these are "pyramids".

        I should have known better.

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        Just step outside and look at your roof, you think that's a natural formation, no, pyramids are everywhere!
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          Just step outside and look at your roof, you think that's a natural formation, no, pyramids are everywhere!
          I am sure that plenty of tests are taking place, well behind closed doors or deep down in Area 51?

          But yeah, Sal, hearing from a archeologist, about this who wrote a book is promising, but can you give us some more supportive evidence?

          Being scammed by troll sucking creatures has made me a little more synical of late, and possibly more schyotic, (but in a nice way)!

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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            I am sure that plenty of tests are taking place, well behind closed doors or deep down in Area 51?

            But yeah, Sal, hearing from a archeologist, about this who wrote a book is promising, but can you give us some more supportive evidence?

            Being scammed by troll sucking creatures has made me a little more synical of late, and possibly more schyotic, (but in a nice way)!

            Nope - I was excited to see this because I wanted to know recent developments on the exploration. They had just found the caves last time I read anything - years back. I was hoping this video would be more detailed. Funding would be my main "proof" right now. He's obviously got funding and they don't fund anything that doesn't show at least almost conclusive evidences. None of the scientists I know have been there and I'm not even sure if they'd know because they're busy with their own stuff.

            There have been a lot of exciting discoveries lately, and because of Internet it's becoming harder to stifle them. Our timeline is continuing to fall backwards yearly. They're back to around 20K years in European civilization now, and 60K years for maritime travel, 200,000 for settlement (stone) in Africa - and 135,000 also in Africa for bling (beads). As more evidence is collected that the Giza Pyramids are actually machines, govs are closing even the scientific communities out of research permits.

            There's just some information that isn't good for the ultra powerful for us to know. Sometimes truth makes people a lot harder to herd and control. We'll get more factual info as soon as enough leaks to enough people that it can no longer be suppressed with credibility and the "community" can figure out how to deal with it.
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Call me naive, but after all the geological and other scientists who have proven that the so-called "Bosnian pyramids" are natural formations, without any genuine sign or even suspicion of human construction, and after so many archaeologists have irrefutably exposed all Osmanagić's so-called "discoveries" there as a complete fraud and a hoax (as even some of his own former supporters have now openly admitted), I really didn't imagine that there were still people who believe these are "pyramids".

        I should have known better.

        Feature: British Archaeology 92, January/February 2007

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        They were refuted for many years, but after you discover enough....they can only be suppressed. We have a pyramid in the Grand Canyon. Not sure if it is natural or not -but the cave inside it is shut down and you could get shot for being just a tad too curious. I know a few archaeologists who have worked in that area and quit because of threat. The Smithsonian is outrageous when it comes to suppressing archaeological fact. When you find an artifact UNDER the volcanic layer, it's no contest that people made it BEFORE the volcano erupted, but when it doesn't fit the "official" note, the Smithsonian either "loses" the artifacts, or just "buries" the findings - sometimes they go as far as to lying about authenticity.

        I know a guy who has his own line of triangulators. He found gold artifacts 10 ft below the surface in Wyoming. When he went to have them tested he was told he couldn't have found them where they were, so they refused to test them. He ended up selling some and melting down the rest because the Archaeology community gods just brushed them off as "can't exist".

        How old is the Sphynx? Ask a geologist and they can show you why they are at least 10 to 20 thousand years older than the Archaelogical community will admit. All they(archaeological community) will say is "we don't know how old". Bull Shyte they don't.

        We are being fed an approved version of human history, for whatever purpose the people in power have. Mostly it's to keep their own positions and reputations spotless. If there's other reasons, they sure aren't going to tell us what they are.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Call me naive, but after all the geological and other scientists who have proven that the so-called "Bosnian pyramids" are natural formations, without any genuine sign or even suspicion of human construction, and after so many archaeologists have irrefutably exposed all Osmanagić's so-called "discoveries" there as a complete fraud and a hoax (as even some of his own former supporters have now openly admitted), I really didn't imagine that there were still people who believe these are "pyramids".

        I should have known better.

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        I was sooo tempted to post. But I wondered how many posts it would take before someone mentioned that these claims have already been proven ...well.....bonkers. The answer? Nine.
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I was sooo tempted to post. But I wondered how many posts it would take before someone mentioned that these claims have already been proven ...well.....bonkers. The answer? Nine.
          They never were proven "bonkers". The initial research and evidence was rejected by the general archaeology community. That was when I was talking about that they had just found and started to get into the underground tunnels. I'm going to be looking into what has been done since in more detail. Like I said - they got funding for the exploration, so they were onto something, even though nobody quite knew and many were skeptical.

          I'm not skeptical because of all the other pyramids being found that are agreed authentic. The reason this one is caused so much ruckus is the size and apparent age. But the age isn't anything out of ordinary compared to other recent discoveries around the world. I haven't completely made up my mind on them yet and won't until I read up on more recent findings of the exploration teams.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            They never were proven "bonkers".
            Perhaps not, but they were repeatedly demonstrated to be fraudulent and a hoax, and that was even admitted by some of the original collaborators.

            A fraud simply can't be refuted any more convincingly than that ... though - as Shermer explains - there will still, always, be people who choose to continue to "believe", for all the reasons he discusses throughout his books. Indeed, as pyschologists studying these phenomena have repeatedly demonstrated, there will even be a (small) minority whose belief in a phenomenon is actually strengthened by confessions of fraud/hoax, after repeated scientific refutation! To some people, that's always "more evidence of more people joining in a conspiracy" so (paradoxically?) it strengthens their overall belief that they're right. However, as reliably demonstrated, they "believe" it using a different part of their brain (more temporal lobar activity, I think, as seen with religious belief) from the areas active when they "believe" that 2 + 2 = 4.

            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            I'm not skeptical because of all the other pyramids being found that are agreed authentic.
            Neither am I.

            I'm skeptical just because they were repeatedly demonstrated to be fraudulent and a hoax, and that was even subsequently admitted by some of the original collaborators.

            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            I haven't completely made up my mind on them yet and won't until I read up on more recent findings of the exploration teams
            I think it's Shermer who's written plenty about this, Sal. I remember studying it in "Philosophy of Science" as one of the classic modern examples of "how and why people are fooled by hoaxes".

            He's also published the retractions, confessions and descriptions of "how it all started", with which some of Osmanagić's collaborators eventually "came clean".

            The hoax is only really of historical and psychological interest, now: geologists and archaeologists are through with it, so there isn't going to be any more "scientific" stuff to read about this one, I think. It's about as close as you're ever going to get to "case closed", with one of these things. There will still be people, 50 years later, who believe that it was all true, that there was a "conspiracy of silence" about it, that the motivations of the independent researchers were open to question, and so on and so forth. There are always (small numbers of) people who interpret objective, proven fact only as "being consistent with their own existing beliefs". The evidence for this has all been demonstrated and reinforced by post-hypnotic suggestion PET (positron emission tomography) brainscan experiments. There isn't a way to avoid it: it's just part of the spectrum of "the human condition".


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      • Profile picture of the author lcombs
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Call me naive, but after all the geological and other scientists who have proven that the so-called "Bosnian pyramids" are natural formations, without any genuine sign or even suspicion of human construction, and after so many archaeologists have irrefutably exposed all Osmanagić's so-called "discoveries" there as a complete fraud and a hoax (as even some of his own former supporters have now openly admitted), I really didn't imagine that there were still people who believe these are "pyramids".

        I should have known better.

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        Generally speaking, after surgeons, Drs. and PHDs are perhaps the most egotistical group
        of professionals. I can easily imagine that jealously could account for them refuting a discovery of this magnitude by someone else. Don't know if you've seen the videos, but, to me, it's obvious these are not natural structures.
        Just my HWO....
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by lcombs View Post

          I can easily imagine that jealously could account for them refuting a discovery of this magnitude by someone else.
          What, all of them?! (That really would be quite some conspiracy, wouldn't it?).

          It seems, in this instance, that the fact that some of the original collaborators admitted it was all a hoax actually gives all those geologists and archaeologists quite a lot of credibility. To me, anyway. Not to everyone, though - I do recognise that, for the reasons I explained in post #17 above.

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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            What, all of them?! (That really would be quite some conspiracy, wouldn't it?).

            It seems, in this instance, that the fact that some of the original collaborators admitted it was all a hoax actually gives all those geologists and archaeologists quite a lot of credibility. To me, anyway. Not to everyone, though - I do recognise that, for the reasons I explained in post #17 above.

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            Not all of them, but there's some very elitist cliques in science. If you've watched the Big Bang Theory, they sometimes reference the attitudes. You've seen Sheldon dis Amy's branch -- and geology. That's pretty real life. You'll see that cross disciplines in colleges, too. We used to laugh at business majors at UofM.

            Anyway - as far as these pyramids go, it's not all scientists of the fields that are mouthing off calling it a fraud -it's just one very loud and boisterous clique of Yale losers. It's not the top guys from Yale you are hearing - it's the dudes that had to resort to jobs teaching 2 years colleges and their pals. They aren't anyone I'd concern myself listening to. Not quite sure if this is a personal vendetta or what going on, but it's all basically "cockfighting" and strutting.

            I've seen enough. The Pyramid of the Moon has, IMHO, been proven, and actually has some very interesting features. That alone tells me the other two in the cluster are more than likely real. There's also been testing of the tunnels, and those are thought to be built later than the pyramids - around 5,000 years old. It would be nice if excavation didn't take so long so we could end the debate, but these things are buried, and very big. I've seen areal views of them that were taken by other than the mouthy Schoch, and in some shots you can see the sharp contours quite clearly. Shoch's photos weren't taken at the right altitude to show real features. The ones taken a couple hundred feet higher show very distinctive features. That alone doesn't prove they aren't natural, but it sure bites into the probability they aren't by one big mouthful.
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          • Profile picture of the author lcombs
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            What, all of them?! (That really would be quite some conspiracy, wouldn't it?).

            It seems, in this instance, that the fact that some of the original collaborators admitted it was all a hoax actually gives all those geologists and archaeologists quite a lot of credibility. To me, anyway. Not to everyone, though - I do recognise that, for the reasons I explained in post #17 above.

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            There are many cases in history where the "original collaborators" have changed their story after the fact. Roswell being the most famous example.

            And, there are many cases where professionals have disagreed.
            The best example being Global Warming.

            I look and listen to stories like this with an open mind, and sometimes, with a grain of salt.
            There are reasons for both sides to lie.

            Most assuredly, When 2 groups of equally qualified professionals disagree, who's to say who's right and who's wrong except for the members of those groups themselves?
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by lcombs View Post

              There are many cases in history where the "original collaborators" have changed their story after the fact. Roswell being the most famous example.

              And, there are many cases where professionals have disagreed.
              The best example being Global Warming.

              I look and listen to stories like this with an open mind, and sometimes, with a grain of salt.
              There are reasons for both sides to lie.

              Most assuredly, When 2 groups of equally qualified professionals disagree, who's to say who's right and who's wrong except for the members of those groups themselves?
              Your arguments assumes that both sides have equally qualified professionals. That statement is off by about 99%.

              And you also assume that there are two sides. There are not. There are just the experts and the people who don't know yet.

              But your post is an almost perfect example of "I don't know, so let's just say that there is a debate, and it isn't over yet."

              I don't mean this personally, but I see a phenomenon here (on this forum and others) that I find fascinating. There is a very small group of people here that believe virtually everything proposed in a Youtube video, or written on a blog. Everything.

              Wouldn't you think that maybe they would believe in one or two pseudo science myths? Nope...all of them. I won't list the myths, because it will offend the believers. But it just fascinates me. Every fringe theory...and none of the real science.

              How you study the pseudo science without letting any real science in.....that ability escapes me. But I went to a UFO convention (for about an hour), and everyone there was like that.

              I've been tempted to create a video of a standard magic trick, with perhaps a few special effects, post it...and see people say it's true. Then I would explain how I did the trick, and then listen to the people argue with me, that it was real.

              Houdini had Arthur Conan Doyle convinced that he had special powers. Because they were friends, Houdini told Doyle that they were merely tricks, and Doyle wouldn't believe him. Doyle set up a complete story in his mind about how Houdini was using mystical powers to expose psychics, and using mystical powers to create his escapes. Even when Houdini told Doyle how the tricks were done.

              I see a lot of the same thing on this forum. But I also see a lot of it in regular life too.
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              • Profile picture of the author lcombs
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                Your arguments assumes that both sides have equally qualified professionals. That statement is off by about 99%.

                And you also assume that there are two sides. There are not. There are just the experts and the people who don't know yet.

                But your post is an almost perfect example of "I don't know, so let's just say that there is a debate, and it isn't over yet."

                I don't mean this personally, but I see a phenomenon here (on this forum and others) that I find fascinating. There is a very small group of people here that believe virtually everything proposed in a Youtube video, or written on a blog. Everything.

                Wouldn't you think that maybe they would believe in one or two pseudo science myths? Nope...all of them. I won't list the myths, because it will offend the believers. But it just fascinates me. Every fringe theory...and none of the real science.

                How you study the pseudo science without letting any real science in.....that ability escapes me. But I went to a UFO convention (for about an hour), and everyone there was like that.

                I've been tempted to create a video of a standard magic trick, with perhaps a few special effects, post it...and see people say it's true. Then I would explain how I did the trick, and then listen to the people argue with me, that it was real.

                Houdini had Arthur Conan Doyle convinced that he had special powers. Because they were friends, Houdini told Doyle that they were merely tricks, and Doyle wouldn't believe him. Doyle set up a complete story in his mind about how Houdini was using mystical powers to expose psychics, and using mystical powers to create his escapes. Even when Houdini told Doyle how the tricks were done.

                I see a lot of the same thing on this forum. But I also see a lot of it in regular life too.
                You may very well be the most presmptuous, condescending indivdual I've ever encountered.
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by lcombs View Post

                  You may very well be the most presumptuous, condescending individual I've ever encountered.
                  Then my work is done here.


                  By the way, I fixed your spelling.
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                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    Then my work is done here.


                    By the way, I fixed your spelling.
                    Normal font is funny. Bold font will endear you to no-one. Come on, Claude. You're better than this.

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                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                      Normal font is funny. Bold font will endear you to no-one. Come on, Claude. You're better than this.

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                      Daniel; So that any new person won't get the wrong idea.....

                      It's a joke because you added the bold font.

                      And you are wrong. A bold font is simply more boldly funny.
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                      This thread (and so many like it) remind me of the Bigfoot believers. They show the piece of film where Bigfoot was caught on camera. Years later, the guys who put on the gorilla suit, and arranged the stunt.....came forward.

                      But there are still people that are convinced that the film was real. The fact that the people who did the filming admitted that it was a stunt, doesn't matter.

                      They still say things like;

                      "Am I to presume that you are an expert on Bigfoot?
                      And, that you know every one involved with the Bigfoot filming. And you know, for a fact,
                      that everyone involved said it was a hoax...... and that those who persist it is true are 100% ignorant, myth chasing, fools who have no idea what they're doing?

                      I want to see your proof that Bigfoot is a hoax."


                      They don't need proof that something is real, but they need proof that it's a hoax...even after the perpetrators say it's a hoax.

                      It's the "I don't need any proof that something is real, but I need absolutely conclusive proof that it is not real. And the people putting on the hoax..saying it was a hoax...is not proof"...that fascinates me.

                      It's the inversion of a rational argument.


                      I'm talking in general now. Not about the Bosnian Pyramid Hoax. And not about anyone in particular.

                      But...I looked up "The Bosnian Pyramids" on Google. Here is the Wikipedia link.

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_pyramid_claims

                      And it starts off..

                      The Bosnian pyramids are a pseudo-archaeological[1] claim promoted by author Semir Osmanagić, that a cluster of natural hills in central Bosnia and Herzegovina are the largest human-made ancient pyramids on Earth. The hills are located near the town of Visoko, northwest of Sarajevo. Visočica hill, where the old town of Visoki was once sited, became the focus of international attention in October 2005, following a news-media campaign by Osmanagić and his supporters.

                      Osmanagić states that he has found tunnels, stone blocks and ancient mortar, which he has suggested once covered the Visočica structure. He opened excavations in 2006 which have reshaped the hill, making it look like a Mayan step pyramid.[2] Geologists, archeologists and other scientists have however concluded, after analysis of the site, its known history, and the excavations, that the hills are natural formations known as flatirons[2] and that there are no signs of human construction involved.[3][4][5] The European Association of Archaeologists released a statement calling the pyramid hypothesis a "cruel hoax".


                      Osmanagić wishes to excavate in order to "break a cloud of negative energy, allowing the Earth to receive cosmic energy from the centre of the galaxy" according to Osmanagić,[8] who also hopes that it will be listed as UNESCO World Heritage Site.[9] In October 2011 a Sarajevo court ended a four-year court case by giving permission for further investigation of Visočica hill.[10]

                      According to Osmanagić, the dig involved an international team of archaeologists from Australia, Austria, Ireland, United Kingdom and Slovenia.[11] However, many archaeologists he named have stated they had not agreed to participate and were never at the site.[12] He also claimed the support of an "Oxford archaeologist" who was actually an unqualified undergraduate, and his foundation's web site claimed support of a British Member of Parliament but the name given did not match any sitting member
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                      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                        Well then stay in Vacuum sales, you seem well suited for it.

                        Your ability to discredit and insult people over things you know nothing about but media, doesn't daunt me or insult me in the slightest. When I call a geologist and ask if a rock terrace looks natural or man-made and he says, don't look natural to me, that is the voice I hear.

                        You want to know modern science? Here's a good example.
                        It is accepted through the field of archaeology (even the officials) that the beads found in W Africa date to 135K years ago. They have been publicized and are in museums. They also found a settlement. Rock, crude, but extant - dating towards 200,000 years ago. So is that strange? Why don't we hear about it? Because the scientist that led that team decided that the humans there were directly descended from aliens and it embarrasses the community.

                        There are ruins and tunnels in Bosnia even if not a whole pyramid - we need him to keep digging to find out exactly what they are. Just ruins of settlement or actual pyramids. The talk of the "energies aside". They are a moot point and only serve to make people think that the whole thing is metaphysical garbage. Sadly, it works. Obviously.


                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        Daniel; So that any new person won't get the wrong idea.....

                        It's a joke because you added the bold font.

                        And you are wrong. A bold font is simply more boldly funny.
                        [Reverse Admonishment]

                        This thread (and so many like it) remind me of the Bigfoot believers. They show the piece of film where Bigfoot was caught on camera. Years later, the guys who put on the gorilla suit, and arranged the stunt.....came forward.

                        But there are still people that are convinced that the film was real. The fact that the people who did the filming admitted that it was a stunt, doesn't matter.

                        They still say things like;

                        "Am I to presume that you are an expert on Bigfoot?
                        And, that you know every one involved with the Bigfoot filming. And you know, for a fact,
                        that everyone involved said it was a hoax...... and that those who persist it is true are 100% ignorant, myth chasing, fools who have no idea what they're doing?

                        I want to see your proof that Bigfoot is a hoax."


                        They don't need proof that something is real, but they need proof that it's a hoax...even after the perpetrators say it's a hoax.

                        It's the "I don't need any proof that something is real, but I need absolutely conclusive proof that it is not real. And the people putting on the hoax..saying it was a hoax...is not proof"...that fascinates me.

                        It's the inversion of a rational argument.


                        I'm talking in general now. Not about the Bosnian Pyramid Hoax. And not about anyone in particular.

                        But...I looked up "The Bosnian Pyramids" on Google. Here is the Wikipedia link.

                        Bosnian pyramid claims - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                        And it starts off..

                        The Bosnian pyramids are a pseudo-archaeological[1] claim promoted by author Semir Osmanagić, that a cluster of natural hills in central Bosnia and Herzegovina are the largest human-made ancient pyramids on Earth. The hills are located near the town of Visoko, northwest of Sarajevo. Visočica hill, where the old town of Visoki was once sited, became the focus of international attention in October 2005, following a news-media campaign by Osmanagić and his supporters.

                        Osmanagić states that he has found tunnels, stone blocks and ancient mortar, which he has suggested once covered the Visočica structure. He opened excavations in 2006 which have reshaped the hill, making it look like a Mayan step pyramid.[2] Geologists, archeologists and other scientists have however concluded, after analysis of the site, its known history, and the excavations, that the hills are natural formations known as flatirons[2] and that there are no signs of human construction involved.[3][4][5] The European Association of Archaeologists released a statement calling the pyramid hypothesis a "cruel hoax".


                        Osmanagić wishes to excavate in order to "break a cloud of negative energy, allowing the Earth to receive cosmic energy from the centre of the galaxy" according to Osmanagić,[8] who also hopes that it will be listed as UNESCO World Heritage Site.[9] In October 2011 a Sarajevo court ended a four-year court case by giving permission for further investigation of Visočica hill.[10]

                        According to Osmanagić, the dig involved an international team of archaeologists from Australia, Austria, Ireland, United Kingdom and Slovenia.[11] However, many archaeologists he named have stated they had not agreed to participate and were never at the site.[12] He also claimed the support of an "Oxford archaeologist" who was actually an unqualified undergraduate, and his foundation's web site claimed support of a British Member of Parliament but the name given did not match any sitting member
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                          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                          Well then stay in Vacuum sales, you seem well suited for it.

                          Your ability to discredit and insult people over things you know nothing about but media, doesn't daunt me or insult me in the slightest.
                          That's good, because it sure doesn't sound like you're daunted or insulted.

                          My efforts aren't to discredit. They are to make fun of irrational arguments, for my own amusement. Any interpretation, other than that, is a mistake.

                          Believe it or not, my posts weren't directed at you. In fact, other than a part of one post, they weren't directed at anyone.

                          The Bosnian Pyramids? I barely know what they are. I read a Wikipedia page, and one or two of the references. 15 minutes tops.

                          It isn't the subject matter that's funny, it's the silliness I read when a few are discussing it.

                          I'm glad you aren't offended. Because if you were, I'd have to get another computer and lose my password again.


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                          Seriously, Claude?

                          You're argument has deteriorated to the point where you are resorting to changing the topic and pointing out typos.
                          Yes, Icombs...My argument has deteriorated to the point where I am resorting to changing the topic and pointing out typos. And you beat me, Buddy...just you.
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                            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                            That's good, because it sure doesn't sound like you're daunted or insulted.

                            My efforts aren't to discredit. They are to make fun of irrational arguments, for my own amusement. Any interpretation, other than that, is a mistake.

                            Believe it or not, my posts weren't directed at you. In fact, other than a part of one post, they weren't directed at anyone.

                            The Bosnian Pyramids? I barely know what they are. I read a Wikipedia page, and one or two of the references. 15 minutes tops.

                            It isn't the subject matter that's funny, it's the silliness I read when a few are discussing it.

                            I'm glad you aren't offended. Because if you were, I'd have to get another computer and lose my password again.




                            Yes, Icombs...My argument has deteriorated to the point where I am resorting to changing the topic and pointing out typos. And you beat me, Buddy...just you.
                            Thanks for clearing that up. It really looks like your objective is to ridicule. I can understand being amused by some points of argument, though.

                            It's easy for me to not be offended. I know that if I took you out on a gem hunting trip, you'd be one of the people that I'd be spending time with teaching them what they are looking for. You'd be surprised how many people will see things out there, such as stone ledges and remark that they don't look natural. There's a lot of stuff in nature that looks man-made. Shane's posts on that Mars thread sometimes are the same type of mistake. Natural rock shelves, etc. often look quite constructed. Being in terrains where they exist a lot, I can pretty much tell the difference just by looking. Dinosaur bone is another thing. I can walk right over one and not know it.

                            I just think people on this forum take jumps to extreme positions on the basis of media alone. Media is not, never has been, and will never be "science". I have access to the scientists and I use it.

                            Nuff, said, I think. We're good, even if I think you're as much of a nut case as you think I am.
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                              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                              Did you know the Luxor pyramid in Las Vegas is the only pyramid in the in the US that can be seen from space with a high powered camera lens?

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                              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                              That's another myth. The American National Archaeological Society has stated that the Luxor Pyramid is actually a natural occurring phenomenon.

                              Has anyone ever seen the Luxor? Has anyone ever been there? I rest my case.

                              Claude "Will say something pitiful for food" Whitacre
                              Sorry Yukon, I hate to agree with Claude, but it is a myth.

                              The truth is, it's the LIGHT on top of the Luxor that can be seen from space.

                              That light attracts every moth from California to Utah:

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                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


                        This thread (and so many like it) remind me of the Bigfoot believers. They show the piece of film where Bigfoot was caught on camera. Years later, the guys who put on the gorilla suit, and arranged the stunt.....came forward.

                        But there are still people that are convinced that the film was real. The fact that the people who did the filming admitted that it was a stunt, doesn't matter.

                        They still say things like;

                        "Am I to presume that you are an expert on Bigfoot?
                        And, that you know every one involved with the Bigfoot filming. And you know, for a fact,
                        that everyone involved said it was a hoax...... and that those who persist it is true are 100% ignorant, myth chasing, fools who have no idea what they're doing?

                        I want to see your proof that Bigfoot is a hoax."


                        They don't need proof that something is real, but they need proof that it's a hoax...even after the perpetrators say it's a hoax.

                        It's the "I don't need any proof that something is real, but I need absolutely conclusive proof that it is not real. And the people putting on the hoax..saying it was a hoax...is not proof"...that fascinates me.

                        It's the inversion of a rational argument.
                        So I decided to enter the search term "bigfoot" as I am involved heavily with Sasquatch research & saw Claude post this nonsense & non-facts. Please show us where the actual filmers (Patterson & Gimlin) ever said this was a hoax? That never happened Claude... get your facts straight.

                        The guy who claimed to be in a suit has been caught in lies multiple times including his alleged costume descriptions & also couldn't even locate the filming site -( Was the Patterson-Gimlin film ever proven to be a hoax? )

                        Did he also happen to grow 1 1/2 feet taller & longer arms at the same time? Anyway i'm not going to turn this into a Sasquatch/Bigfoot thread but just want to share facts & point out the fact that Claude isn't stating them.

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                        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                          Originally Posted by wentzco View Post

                          So I decided to enter the search term "bigfoot" as I am involved heavily with Sasquatch research & saw Claude post this nonsense & non-facts. Please show us where the actual filmers (Patterson & Gimlin) ever said this was a hoax? That never happened Claude... get your facts straight.

                          The guy who claimed to be in a suit has been caught in lies multiple times including his alleged costume descriptions & also couldn't even locate the filming site
                          -( Was the Patterson-Gimlin film ever proven to be a hoax? )
                          Wow...just wow.

                          I will say this though, you have found a home here.

                          And don't forget to include the term "Quantum physics" in your next post...it will sound more credible.
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by lcombs View Post

              Most assuredly, When 2 groups of equally qualified professionals disagree, who's to say who's right and who's wrong except for the members of those groups themselves?
              This isn't a situation in which "two groups of equally qualified professionals" disagree.

              It doesn't even begin to resemble in any possible way, with any possible amount of loose interpretation or imagination-stretching, a situation in which "two groups of equally qualified professionals" disagree. It's a situation in which a hoax was not-very-convincingly perpetrated, which fooled no professional geologists and no professional archaeologists at all, was very widely refuted by enormous numbers of independent, unrelated, unassociated experts with no possible motivation to be lying, and on top of all that, it was subsequently admitted and demonstrated to have been a hoax by many of its perpetrators.

              Well, look: there's no point in my repeating yet again my comments in post #17 above - I've said enough in this thread, guys (some people seem to think "too much").

              Enjoy it from here without me, please.

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              • Profile picture of the author lcombs
                Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                This isn't a situation in which "two groups of equally qualified professionals" disagree.

                It doesn't even begin to resemble in any possible way, with any possible amount of loose interpretation or imagination-stretching, a situation in which "two groups of equally qualified professionals" disagree. It's a situation in which a hoax was not-very-convincingly perpetrated, which fooled no professional geologists and no professional archaeologists at all, was very widely refuted by enormous numbers of independent, unrelated, unassociated experts with no possible motivation to be lying, and on top of all that, it was subsequently admitted and demonstrated to have been a hoax by many of its perpetrators.

                Well, look: there's no point in my repeating yet again my comments in post #17 above - I've said enough in this thread, guys. Enjoy it from here without me, please.

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                Am I to presume that you are an expert on the Bosnian Pyramids?
                And, that you know every one involved with the project and you know, for a fact,
                that all experts call hoax and that those who persist it is true are 100% ignorant, myth chasing, fools who have no idea what they're doing?

                I want to see your proof that this is a hoax.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Lol at the levitation.

    Magnets are fun but a 1/4" of levitation isn't doing much of anything for anyone.

    The endless power claim is nonsense. Looks like someone has been watching Under the Dome.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Notice how the guy in the OP video thumbs through his book pointing out obvious pyramids & skimps on his own claim in the book.

    That's an old sales technique that associates your own product with proven/authority names/products to help generate sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Okay - first off, this guy isn't "ameteur". His Ph.D thesis was on Mayan civilization.

    Second - I read what the Smithsonian and Nat'l Geo both had to say back about 8 years ago about the findings. They were non comittal. They pointed out there were skeptics, but never said anything such that the pyramids were a hoax.
    I busted out 2 world premere stories on the newsletters I used to write because the people were getting jacked the the "Smithandweston" institute. One was the first pictures of the largest crystals on earth. You can see my newsletter archives on that if you want, I'll look the page up and give you the link. Second was the news of the H3Tech tricorder. Smithsonian didn't get that one at all - I got it, a month later Nat'l Geo got it - and then the military got the contract. Nobody of any real repute deals with the Smithsonian. Archaeological mafia. When I see the first "news" coming from them, I always wonder what the poor discoverer was threatened with. And still - they were noncommital. This says something to me.

    Second - this guy had help from the Bosnian Gov. He had enough proof for them to take interest. He's had hundreds, maybe thousands of volunteers, too. They've uncovered a good stretch of tunnels now, and blocks - and a complex. This isn't the hoax that some demented clique wanted us to believe it was. They've gained a lot of ground over the last few years, and they've had cooperation from a lot of professionals around the world now. That's one thing to understand. Scientists run in cliques and will gang up on other scientists and cliques. It doesn't mean much at the end of the day.

    One of the leading Egyptian pyramid experts, Ali Abdallah Berekat, geologist at the Egyptian Mineral Resources Authority, confirmed that the stone blocks excavated on the Visocica hillside - Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun - are not natural, but man-made creations.

    Semir Osmanagic confirmed Berekat's statement in the interview given to the FENA News Agency and said that Berekat explained how the stone blocks were made. According to the expert coming from the land of pyramids, the stone blocks were molded.
    I was not impressed with Robert Schoch's (Robert Milton Schoch, Associate Professor of Natural Sciences at the College of General Studies, a two-year non-degree-granting unit of Boston University) yelling about the pyramids being fake. He's not seemingly any type of field expert or expert on ancient architecture, or anything to do with anything that would give him expertise on the subject. He's just an academic blowhard with a big mouth and solid "opinions". It's he and his little clique that's screaming about a hoax. I read some of his comments and he seems completely confused about what an excavation site looks like and a few other facts about ancient architecture and archaeology. I was not impressed. I am impressed with the data of Dr. Amer Smailbegovic (PhD geophysics).

    ..... Dr. Amer Smailbegovic (PhD geophysics), began some serious work: an in-depth geological study of the Visoko valley's two primary pyramid-like structures: Visočica hill and Pljesevica hill.

    Dr. Smailbegovic used data from six different satellite imaging systems, combined with year-2000 SRTM (Space Shuttle Endeavor) topographic data, as well as aerial photography from the Geodesic Institute of Bosnia and Herzegovina, as well as 1:50,000 scale topographic maps (courtesy of Geoimage). Dr. Smailbegovic combined all this data to create a digital topographic model that could be viewed from different angles. The most sophisticated technology known to humankind concluded what Semir Osmanagich's compass and his extensive experience with pyramids around the world had already told him: that ancient pyramids had in fact been built in Central Bosnia.
    Here's the Dr's report. Please note - "remote sensing" does not mean any form of telepathy - it is technological equipment.(just for people who wig at the term thinking it is talking metaphysics).

    http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/PDFS/G...20Analysis.pdf

    Carbon dating is being used: This one, I believe was from the pyramid of the moon - a smaller pyramid than the sun. There are 3 in the complex.

    That's it for tonight - the sun's coming up. I'm going to be watching a series of videos tomorrow sometime to watch the work going on now and see what looks good and what looks like wishful thinking.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Funny - I know a lot of archaeologists who don't call this a hoax, and never saw any of those involved in this discovery "admit" that it's a hoax. I've seen rock uncovered on the smaller of the pyramids that I can tell is NOT natural rock -- and there's a lot of rock out there that is natural that doesn't look it at all. I know Schoch's group and they're assholes. I wouldn't call one of them "reputed".

    I can't say 100% anything about the Pyramid of the Sun. But that terrace they uncovered on the Pyramid of the moon is man-made. Now the question is - is the whole pyramid a man made structure, or just a pyramid shaped mountain that humans inhabited and built on. If that is what it turns out to be, it's still worth uncovering.

    The truth is that they have excavated some real tunnels. The truth is that they have uncovered a few man-made terraces. In my book, that's archaeology's job to do that. The thesis this scientist has is that the whole mt is man-made. He may or may not prove that yet. Those terraces on their own deserve a little more excavation to find out what exactly is going on there. From what I've seen, this can go either way. There's some very curious factors about some of the features and how they're showing up on scientific equipment. I'd like to see Chuck get one of his H3Tech tricorders on that thing and see what kind of readings he gets - both atomic signature and land feature readings.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Ahhh so here we are again, but at least this time it's not about the intangibility of the occult, life after death ghosts, or the elusive ufo's. They rely on a few pics, tons of anecdotal stories. Nothing for the hard science types to get there teeth into, just to dismiss and not really be challenged.

      But here is another story. It's not all Houdini, Doyle, smoke and mirrors stuff. Physical structures that can be looked at, examined, scrutinized etc. There are ways of finding out with 100 percent certainty if they are man made or natural. I have not looked at the video as in this particular case is, it is either a man made structure or a natural one and If you really want to prove it either way just get a top team out there of unbiased experts and either put it to bed completely as false or prove it to be true. Just put this one to bed.

      I want to talk about one thing really, motives. If you had asked me 25 years ago if the governments/powers that be of the world were underhand and were covering things up in what they were presenting to us and teaching us as to the history of the world (with us in the equation), the science of the world, what we were using to power the world and many other topics I would have said are you crazy, what have they to gain in holding things back that would further our understanding of ourselves, our origins, our scientific discoveries etc. It is for the common good that anything new be shared so we can better ourselves. It's only logical.

      Ask me that question now, to say the least, I'm not so sure. And I am dis-guarding all sensationalism, conspiracy theories and wishful thinking. There are too many anomalies with archeology for a start. However, lets just take one as an example.

      I may be way off with my figures but lets say the Egyptian Sphinx is 5000 years old and so the Egyptian culture/civilisation. That's the accepted view. World history is set.

      A few years ago a man from a different scientific (non archeologist but a scientist in his particular field) background goes to look at the Sphinx. He looks at the base and immediately see's obvious, plain as the nose on your face, signs of weathering by water. Why, because that's his field. That means it was built twice as long ago as the accepted view. That makes the civilization twice as old. He knows this because 10,000 years ago the area had much more rain and flooding, the Nile was wider. He knows about the history books however so takes pictures and masks off what is above the base and takes it to a learnered scholar who knows his field and also is a respected archeologist. He says what caused that? Oh, it's obviously weathering by water of course. He then reveals the whole picture. The guy clams up and no longer wants to discuss it.

      Do you realize what just happened, undeniable proof that the technology and building prowess and existence of a civilization has just been proved to be twice as old as it is accepted to be. Yet, is it in the current history books now, no, Why! It turns accepted history on it's head, it makes the possibility of many other accepted views of history and their timescales obsolete, just plain wrong. But no, brushed under the carpet. The world view is right, despite the anomalies, and we are sticking to it.

      If just that one anomaly was compared in it's significance to the Theory of Relativity or Quantum Physics for example having a similar Hole then Albert Eisenstein would just be a bad haired German guy who came up with a flawed theory. It just would not wash.

      It seems to me that up until to the last 40-50 years ago we have been making discoveries and sharing them, challenging them etc, and then, suddenly a slow down in information and clamming up. Lets just set this in stone, we like what we have, we will keep our history books. We are using oil to power the world and the world economy revolves around it. Let's just maintain the status quo of it all for now. We will keep the discovories secret until we feel it is right to reveal them.

      I think this phenomenon is very real in the world today.

      I'm afraid, that's the message I'm getting.
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    Ah - so someone is knowledgeable about geologists and their expertise in achaeological matters.

    The sphinx has been proven much older than info given to us. After this geologist gave proof, he didn't just clam up because he felt like it. Scientific permits started to be denied to anyone of any professional level wanting to study that area.

    We - those of us who actually follow the science closely instead of the media already know that they had Electric lighting of some sort back then. It's right in the hieroglyphics, not just some conspiracy theory. Batteries from that era are on display in museums for cripes sakes. The pyramids are known to be power generators, but they were closed down to study - why?

    Our geo-petrol economic system collapses in favor of a free energy source (which everyone knows by this date that Tesla had actually achieved), our rich and powerful lose their hold. Period.

    What we are allowed to know is determined 100% on funding. Scientists often know what we aren't being told, but they need funding so keep quiet about a lot. Sometimes you get discoveries that are so well documented and so prevalent that they can't be kept under wraps. That's because the consensus in the field becomes so strong that funding can be pulled without the "authorities" handing it out themselves or approving it. In that case you will see them scramble to come up with something that keeps them in the loop and keeps them in control. It's not rocket science........um......well maybe it is. LOL.

    I have seen terraces that are man made on the Pyramid of the Moon info videos. I have asked a few scientists I know what they think. They say they're man made. Like I said earlier - doesn't mean the whole mountain is, but it's proof enough that excavation is warranted. Some reads from varied type of equipment say we're more nuts for not investigating that we are for doing so.

    Some people are not into science - they're into media. Let them think what they want. They need to stay in the fields they've chosen to make their living because they'd fall flat in science.

    There's pyramids that have been discovered all over the world. A lot are being excavated - a few, like in Egypt aren't even much talked about. Some you can just go wander around at if you know where they are. Then there's The Pyramids at Giza that got shut down to study when the "authorities" didn't like what was being discovered - and there's this one that nobody will even claim might be a direct hit even with actual evidence. Who the hell knows what is going on for sure. Most Americans don't know we have one right here in the states that's, I believe (have to look it back up), around 1,500 years old. I don't care what those people's opinions are about what is real or what isn't, frankly. Science isn't a matter of someone's opinion - especially one from someone that's never studied that field or dealt with authorities in that field.

    I know exactly what is going on with the pyramids. You have an achaeologist - and yes he is a REAL archaeologist with a Ph.D in Mayan culture, and knows when he's looking at an aritifact - and you have a dweeb with a little power behind him coming out to see if he can take over a project if he injects some big bucks into it. You have an archaeologist who refused to give up credits for the find, and a dweeb who tries to destroy him to make him cow-tow.

    Anyhow - Schoch could be taken to court for the BS he's stirring up - but this scientist is smart enough not to waste his time on him. Court would drain time and resources and he's more interested in getting enough of this thing excavated to finally get the word out on the validity - even if just that of confirmed settlement ruins. That could lead to funding for continuing excavation on a larger scale without him getting booted from his own project. I saw that happen to a friend of mine that was the head of an exploration company. They spent a mil to find this treasure - and it was a very huge one - very probably Watley the Pirates. Then the gov stepped in and wanted it all and here goes the court proceedings and bankrupted my friend, who ended up having the whole damned thing stolen from him. That's your scientific community in action. This is just SSDD to field scientists. Nothing new other than the size of the artifact.
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    Very, very interesting to me.

    Especially the magnetic field that supposedly is being emitted from the centre of the primary pyramid.

    I came close to going over there to help out with the excavation process but had distractions stopping me.
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    Fact - less than 3% of pyramids have their own zip code. - Dwight Schrute
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  • Profile picture of the author lcombs
    Seriously, Claude?

    You're argument has deteriorated to the point where you are resorting to changing the topic and pointing out typos.
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  • Profile picture of the author lcombs
    So, Claude;

    You hi-jacked this thread just to show your ass.

    You're pitiful.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Did you know the Luxor pyramid in Las Vegas is the only pyramid in the in the US that can be seen from space with a high powered camera lens?













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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Did you know the Luxor pyramid in Las Vegas is the only pyramid in the in the US that can be seen from space with a high powered camera lens?

      That's another myth. The American National Archaeological Society has stated that the Luxor Pyramid is actually a natural occurring phenomenon.

      Has anyone ever seen the Luxor? Has anyone ever been there? I rest my case.

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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        That's another myth. The American National Archaeological Society has stated that the Luxor Pyramid is actually a natural occurring phenomenon.

        Has anyone ever seen the Luxor? Has anyone ever been there? I rest my case.

        Claude "Will say something pitiful for food" Whitacre
        Iv'e been to the Luxor, its obviously been pillaged of all its treasures. It's now full of slot machines and cigarette smoke.
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          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          Iv'e been to the Luxor, its obviously been pillaged of all its treasurses. It's now full of slot machines and cigarette smoke.
          Oh that's not true at all. I can't attest to the age of that pyramid, although I think that it is generally known - just not by me. It' has powerful energy, though. I actually have a relative who accidentally stumbled into a great energy there that worked immediately and he was much more well off coming out than going in. Unfortunately, he does not know exactly how it works, and can't reproduce the method he used to conjure it.
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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

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      Am I spoiling your fun by quoting that?
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  • Profile picture of the author wentzco
    Now Claude you said this "And, that you know every one involved with the Bigfoot filming. And you know, for a fact, that everyone involved said it was a hoax"

    Patterson & Gimlin were the 2 people involved in the filming. Please provide evidence they said it was a hoax (fact - that never happened). If you can't provide this evidence than the "facts" show you are either ignorant or a liar.Your credibility is on the line- you need to back up your statements.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by wentzco View Post

      Now Claude you said this "And, that you know every one involved with the Bigfoot filming. And you know, for a fact, that everyone involved said it was a hoax"

      Patterson & Gimlin were the 2 people involved in the filming. Please provide evidence they said it was a hoax (fact - that never happened). If you can't provide this evidence than the "facts" show you are either ignorant or a liar.Your credibility is on the line- you need to back up your statements.

      My credibility with you? Nothing is more important to me in the whole world. Honest.

      Here;

      The 'X' Zone Radio & TV Show: Exposing Roger Patterson's 1967 Bigfoot film hoax

      As I said before, you'll fit right in here. But here are the rules;

      Monsanto is at the core of every evil (NASA is an acceptable substitute)
      You must use the words "Quantum physics" (Quantum Mechanics is an acceptable substitute) in your post, or you lose all credibility.
      You must link to conspiracy sites. Science sites are not allowed.
      Quoting a psychic is good for extra credit.
      Evidence isn't needed. Yelling helps. And using ALL CAPITAL LETTERS is considered evidence enough.


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      • Profile picture of the author wentzco
        Nope - Korff was part of the Hieronimous scam & neither Patterson or Gimlin never told him it was a hoax nor anyone else... ever. That's a fact!

        Was the Patterson-Gimlin film ever proven to be a hoax? & you can read more about Korff's unreliability of getting facts right here at Bill Miller - Sasquatch Bigfoot along with more info on Hieronimous lies.

        Again - Patterson & Gimlin have always stood by their story & you haven't supplied any facts to the contrary. Your statement of "And, that you know every one involved with the Bigfoot filming. And you know, for a fact, that everyone involved said it was a hoax" is not true.

        Hieronimous is the one who claimed it was a hoax in an effort to "cash in" thinking there would be money it as his own words in an interview prove that " All these people have been making money off that footage for years. It's my turn now." Book profits seem to be the motivation for Long, Korff and Hieronimous.

        However - Hieronimous wasn't able to locate the filming site (because he never was there), gives different versions of the suit & has changed versions of the story. He's a liar & his own words have proven it over & over.

        Oh here's a laugher on this low-quality video & suit with Heironimus in it. LOL - don't you think they would have been able to improve on the alleged suit quality decades later?-
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