What would you do in this instance of violence ?

12 years ago

The acting was pretty bad in some of the instances.

That said, I'm surprised he didn't get roughed up any more than he did.

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Dan Riffle

12 years ago

Gee, I wouldn't want to judge the situation. We don't know what caused the fight to happen.

What I am saying is open up your eyes and understand there can be circumstances that you and I can NEVER understand unless we are in that certain situation.

Who am I to judge?

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Tom B Banned 12 years ago

These situations can be incredibly dangerous. I wouldn't physically intervene but may tell them to take it somewhere else or ask if they need me to call the cops.

When I was 16, I ended up spending the summer with my best friend in Florida. While we were hanging out, in a mall parking lot, we saw a guy push a woman. We all went, stopped them and called the cops.

The guy started pushing on us and luckily we had about 4 teenagers there to stop him. The cops came and the woman told the cops we started it. The cops knew what was up and told us we did the right thing by calling but not to get in the middle next time.
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Claude Whitacre 12 years ago

I would ignore it. I can tell when a movement is truly violent. I saw none of that here.

At worst, it looked like an argument. But it was obvious, in every instance, that he wasn't really hurting her.

If she would have been yelling "Help me!" it would have been a different story....assuming he was truly being violent.

And if she would have said "Help me", and he was acting the same way? I would have suspected that they were working together to mug me...because he wasn't hurting her at all, and it was obvious to me.
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Gee, I wouldn't want to judge the situation. We don't know what caused the fight to happen.

What I am saying is open up your eyes and understand there can be circumstances that you and I can NEVER understand unless we are in that certain situation.

Who am I to judge?

LOL where did I say anything about judging anyone or opening up your eyes ?? Obviously you are letting your emotions get the better of you from Posts in the past

Just asking a simple question of " what would you do " ?

I think it is humorous how people let biases towards other people rule over their sensibilities.

You are so bent in trying to regurgitate what I said and do it in what you think is a clever manner (when actually your Point is very weak in all honesty) that you forget to overtly answer the question concerning the Subject at hand

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Dan Riffle

12 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

LOL where did I say anything about judging anyone or opening up your eyes ?? Obviously you are letting your emotions get the better of you from Posts in the past

Pretty sure you said that here:
http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...ml#post9507099

The "opening up your eyes" line is nearly a direct quote.

Just asking a simple question of " what would you do " ?

My post contains my answer. I wouldn't do anything. I don't have enough information to judge the situation. What if she's choking on a hot dog and the guy trying to help her has Tourette's? Acting on just what I've seen surely would be a rush to judgment.

You are so bent in trying to regurgitate what I said and do it in what you think is a clever manner (when actually your Point is very weak in all honesty) that you forget to overtly answer the question concerning the Subject at hand

Why are you judging me? You don't know what I've been through? You don't know what lead me to this point. Open your eyes, man. It might not even be me typing this.

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Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

What if she's choking on a hot dog and the guy trying to help her has Tourette's?

I would hope there was some popcorn and a video camera available.
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Pretty sure you said that here:
http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...ml#post9507099

The "opening up your eyes" line is nearly a direct quote.

Iam talking about bringing up the Judgment factor on this Thread ! Not on a previous one. I never did that here. That is my whole point !

The fact is you brought up direct quotes from past threads trying to be clever and controversial and thought you were being cute " gee" ( when honestly you had a weak point that did not make sense relatively speaking) and then (initially) did not even get to the whole point of the Thread ...a simple question.

There is nothing judgmental about that. You proved exactly what I was trying to convey

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Dan Riffle

12 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Iam talking about bringing up the Judgment factor on this Thread ! That is my whole point !

The fact you are bringing up quotes from past threads trying to be clever ( when honestly it was a weak point that did not make sense relatively speaking ) and then 'initially' not getting to the point of why I started this whole Thread .

There is nothing judgmental about that. You proved exactly what I was trying to convey

Ugh. The two threads are related in that I'm trying to show you a disparity in how you apply judgment. In one instance, you are ready to engage in violence based on what you see. In the other, you say to withhold judgment because there could be more to the story. I find the dichotomy interesting. Especially when you convey that holding to the "most likely" scenario isn't rational.

Now, if I'm to directly answer your question, I don't know what I'd do in this scenario. There are too many variables. I would assess the situation and most likely go on gut instinct.

You would have to be all-in, if you decide to intervene. There would be little point breaking up the skirmish and just walking away.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Ugh. The two threads are related in that I'm trying to show you a disparity in how you apply judgment. In one instance, you are ready to engage in violence based on what you see. In the other, you say to withhold judgment because there could be more to the story. I find the dichotomy interesting. Especially when you convey that holding to the "most likely" scenario isn't rational.

Now, if I'm to directly answer your question, I don't know what I'd do in this scenario. There are too many variables. I would assess the situation and most likely go on gut instinct.

Okay who is being judgmental ? How are you observing this disparity you suggest ?

Or is it maybe you coming to hasty rationalizations about me ?.

Again when did I say any judgmental thing about this video and what should or should not be
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Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

In one instance, you are ready to engage in violence based on what you see.

Please enlighten me and point it out where I said I was ready to engage with violence on this Thread ?

Or is that just something you assume ? (I suspect maybe so ? That's dangerous thinking if true)

The fact is I ask you to go to Post #3 and see what you wrote. This diatribe you posted clearly identifies what YOU think. I repeat what YOU THINK may be me applying disparity in my judgement or what you THINK are inconsistencies in my conclusions and observations as it relates to multiple events.

Operative word being THINK !

Look at my Post #1. Where did I say I was reserving the right to act one way or the other in this situation ?
I said it was cool how the 3 guys responded when they found out it was a Social experiment

I suggest you take time out and review your own assertions and how you view someone based on past events

. And go then back and reread what you write instead of coming to hasty conclusions about somebody

There was nothing in my Post 1 that would warrant the disparity of judgement application which you unduly try to point out about me in Post 3

Yours is a case of willful backtracking now after trying to make silly assumptions without uncovering real evidence as is so obvious in your Post 3

Who is being judgmental about someone else, I ask you ?

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Dan Riffle

12 years ago

Okay who is being judgmental ? How are you observing this disparity you suggest ?

Or is it maybe you coming to hasty rationalizations about me ?.

Again when did I say any judgmental thing about this video and what should or should not be done ? Please enlighten me and point it out

Good Lord, Robert, did you not just say this in the Rice thread:

Personally, protecting a woman is just part of my wiring.

It is instinctive. There is no thought behind it. I know many Men are not like that.

It was just something I understood that was part of my general make up.

Iam the type of guy when I see a child or women being physicaly assaulted in Public I go to her aid. No thought, no mulling the situation over. It doesn't matter if he has a gun or knife( yeah that happened once)

Its just a reflex. Whether it be to my detriment or not. (btw, I can say without hesitation I would have tried to restrain Rice if I saw him do this. And I would have gotten my as kicked too)

You didn't have to say anything in this thread. You've already said it. It's your natural instinct, with no thought, no mulling it over, to defend the woman.

Thus, you're going to make an instant judgment. But, when it comes to Mrs. Rice, you're willing to go all the way to Stockholm Syndrome in order to not make a judgment.

The fact is I ask you to go to Post #3 and see what you wrote. This diatribe you posted clearly identifies what YOU think. I repeat what YOU THINK may be me applying disparity in my judgement or what you THINK are inconsistencies in my conclusions and observations as it relates to multiple events.

Operative word being THINK !

Easy there, Killer. Seems like you're getting a tad emotional.

As you can probably tell by now, post #3 was intentional to point out the disparity. We can agree to disagree but....

Look at my Post #1. Where did I say I was reserving the right to act one way or the other in this situation? I suggest you take time out and review your own assertions and how you view someone based on past events. And go then back and reread what you write instead of coming to hasty conclusions about somebody

There was nothing in my Post 1 that would warrant the disparity of judgement which you unduly try to point out about me in Post 3

...what you say in other posts carries forward. You know that, right? If you say you will automatically, using only the reptilian part of your brain, defend a woman being attacked, we don't actually need you to say so in this thread.

Yours is a case of willful backtracking now after trying to make assumptions without uncovering real evidence as is so obvious in your Post 3

If that's how you need to see it, you go for it.

Who is being judgmental about someone else, I ask you ?

Yet again, you miss the point. I'm talking about a disparity in the application of judgment as part of the decision-making process. I'm not talking about "Oh, I'm better than you" judgmentalism.

I am, however, off to the pub. I say good day.

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Claude Whitacre

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

You would have to be all-in, if you decide to intervene. There would be little point breaking up the skirmish and just walking away.

Most people don't think of that. What happens after you break it up?. Does the woman run away? Does she go back to the guy, and now it's your fault? Do they both get angry at you for interrupting their argument? Does the guy get really mad now...and beat the woman harder? (Although I saw none of that here).

I would have to be very sure.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Most people don't think of that. What happens after you break it up?. Does the woman run away? Does she go back to the guy, and now it's your fault? Do they both get angry at you for interrupting their argument? Does the guy get really mad now...and beat the woman harder? (Although I saw none of that here).

I would have to be very sure.

People are way over-thinking this. I've broken up many fights, although none between a man and a woman. I also tried to step in when I saw an old man getting mugged by a younger couple. I ran towards the incident but they ran off before I could get there.

The worst is when two women are fighting because I never know where to grab and they have handfuls of each others' hair.

In situations like this, the anger is directed at a specific person. Not once was any anger ever redirected at me.

When you see someone in need of help, you help them if you can, then ask questions later.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

People are way over-thinking this. I've broken up many fights, although none between a man and a woman. I also tried to step in when I saw an old man getting mugged by a younger couple. I ran towards the incident but they ran off before I could get there.

The worst is when two women are fighting because I never know where to grab and they have handfuls of each others' hair.

In situations like this, the anger is directed at a specific person. Not once was any anger ever redirected at me.

When you see someone in need of help, you help them if you can, then ask questions later.

Kurt; I may be over-thinking it. But that's what I do.

And you brought up a good point. If the person being bothered was elderly, I wouldn't hesitate to help.Why? Because it can't be play. Some couples play rough. And if the woman doesn't ask for help, and the guy is obviously not hurting her, I'm on my way.

But old people? They are helpless. They may not be aware enough to ask for help. It can't be foreplay, or a little argument. I would make the guy stop. Verbally, if possible.

I may even help the person back home. I've done stuff like that in the past.

But a couple, like in the video? Nah.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Kurt; I may be over-thinking it. But that's what I do.

And you brought up a good point. If the person being bothered was elderly, I wouldn't hesitate to help.Why? Because it can't be play. Some couples play rough. And if the woman doesn't ask for help, and the guy is obviously not hurting her, I'm on my way.

But old people? They are helpless. They may not be aware enough to ask for help. It can't be foreplay, or a little argument. I would make the guy stop. Verbally, if possible.

I may even help the person back home. I've done stuff like that in the past.

But a couple, like in the video? Nah.

You are taking the point of view of knowing it was a fake fight.

So what if some couples play rough? You step in and stop it. If they were just playing, you tell them you're sorry for interupting. But that is so unlikely and the percentages are far and away in favor of something being wrong.

As far as all the "what if's" on this thread...

What if she's pregnant?

What if it's a TV show and you win $10,000 if you step in?

What if she's so thankful she bakes you a blueberry pie every week for the rest of your life?

What if she's 30 seconds from being strangled to death?

What if you didn't do anything and the next day you read in the newspaper about a young woman being raped and murdered at that very time and place?

If we're going to over-think everything, let's at least think about why one should intervene too, instead of just coming up with as many excuses as possible not to.

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Claude Whitacre

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

You are taking the point of view of knowing it was a fake fight.
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Kurt; I have a very experienced eye when it comes to fighting. It was obviously not a real situation. There were lots of tells. I can explain them, if you like. But there was no real struggle here. Had it looked more realistic, it would have changed my reactions.
It's not an excuse. I could tell it wasn't real.

If I wasn't sure, I may take a couple of seconds to figure out how to react.

If she yelled "Help" or "Rape", I wouldn't hesitate, and they could explain everything later.

There was no over thinking about whether it was real or not. To me, it was obviously not real. Far more not real than professional wrestling.

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What if you didn't do anything and the next day you read in the newspaper about a young woman being raped and murdered at that very time and place?

Then I would be very very wrong...and very very surprised. There was no doubt in my mind that this was either staged or playing. But there was no violence.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Kurt; I have a very experienced eye when it comes to fighting. It was obviously not a real situation. There were lots of tells. I can explain them, if you like. But there was no real struggle here. Had it looked more realistic, it would have changed my reactions.
It's not an excuse. I could tell it wasn't real.

If I wasn't sure, I may take a couple of seconds to figure out how to react.

If she yelled "Help" or "Rape", I wouldn't hesitate, and they could explain everything later.

There was no over thinking about whether it was real or not. To me, it was obviously not real. Far more not real than professional wrestling.

And I made this point in my previous post. You are taking the point of view that it's a fake. That's really not the point of this discussion. It's isn't about how good you are at reading clues, it's about how you would react in a similar situation that wasn't fake, as well as the reactions of those that didn't realize it was a set up.

Of course if it's fake you don't do anything, or maybe even mess around a bit. But that doesn't make for a very interesting discussion, does it? Hardly profound.

BTW, I knew the video was fake because the video has a "DM Pranks" watermark and the "perp" pointed at the camera a couple of times.

But since you knew it was fake, why did you bring up the "couple playing rough" stuff? That's an excuse to be used if it was real. Your logic isn't very consistent.

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12 years ago

Claude,
Quite honestly I do not know how in the World ,if was real time happening to you, you would come to the conclusion "it has to be fake " ??

Are you saying with the proliferation of ABC's "What would you do" and other social experiments that you may spot this and be 'clued' into what is going on?

Or you would observe that the actual physical movements, by themselves, are a clue and just look totally fake?
( maybe you answered this ?)

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Claude,
Quite honestly I do not know how in the World ,if was real time happening to you, you would come to the conclusion "it has to be fake " ??

Are you saying with the proliferation of ABC's "What would you do" and other social experiments that you may spot this and be 'clued' into what is going on?

Or you would observe that the actual physical movements, by themselves, are a clue and just look totally fake?
( maybe you answered this ?)

I'm a very experienced martial artist. 20 years of serious daily training, and teaching...followed by 15 years of just individual practice.

It's obvious to anyone with that much experience, how much pressure is being applied, how much tension the muscles have. Is the person struggling against anything?

For example, if you tell me that you are a fighter, and I ask you to throw a punch in the air.
I can tell how long you have been training, how hard you can hit, whether I could beat you. One punch.

The guy in the video wasn't applying any pressure. there was no tension in his arms. He wasn't yanking the woman. There was no effort exerted by either one. They were playing.

He wasn't struggling with her, and she wasn't trying to escape.

On the other hand, I can tell when someone is really being assaulted. I may act quicker than most guys. But the physicality of their movements told me there was no danger here. There was no intention to hurt. Maybe intention is the best word to describe it. Anyone here with 10 or more years in any martial art, knows what I'm talking about.

When I started training, everyone looked the same. Every punch looked hard. Every practitioner looked equally adept. It takes a few years, but eventually you see the differences. And eventually, they become very obvious.

It was the mechanics of how they were moving, the lack of tension in any of the movements, and the lack of resistance from either one. Yes, I can see that through their coats. It wasn't guessing.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

I'm a very experienced martial artist. 20 years of serious daily training, and teaching...followed by 15 years of just individual practice.

It's obvious to anyone with that much experience, how much pressure is being applied, how much tension the muscles have. Is the person struggling against anything?

For example, if you tell me that you are a fighter, and I ask you to throw a punch in the air.
I can tell how long you have been training, how hard you can hit, whether I could beat you. One punch.

The guy in the video wasn't applying any pressure. there was no tension in his arms. He wasn't yanking the woman. There was no effort exerted by either one. They were playing.

He wasn't struggling with her, and she wasn't trying to escape.

On the other hand, I can tell when someone is really being assaulted. I may act quicker than most guys. But the physicality of their movements told me there was no danger here. There was no intention to hurt. Maybe intention is the best word to describe it. Anyone here with 10 or more years in any martial art, knows what I'm talking about.

When I started training, everyone looked the same. Every punch looked hard. Every practitioner looked equally adept. It takes a few years, but eventually you see the differences. And eventually, they become very obvious.

It was the mechanics of how they were moving, the lack of tension in any of the movements, and the lack of resistance from either one. Yes, I can see that through their coats. It wasn't guessing.

I tend to agree with this unless...................well there are circumstances where someone is being physically and maliciously bullied. Similar to the video

There is definitely no real forceful pressure or movement and it is not a flat out assault.

I have seen it mostly in male to male bullying but there have been instances where guys did it to a girl and there was physical ,malicious intent behind it.

Both were entirely unacceptable in anyone's view. And could warrant an intervention.

Of course if something is an all out assault it probably needs to be addressed in a more timely manner than the bullying situation I mentioned.

here is a interesting example

THE BULLYING EXPERIMENT! - YouTube

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Claude Whitacre

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

And I made this point in my previous post. You are taking the point of view that it's a fake. That's really not the point of this discussion. It's isn't about how good you are at reading clues, it's about how you would react in a similar situation that wasn't fake, as well as the reactions of those that didn't realize it was a set up.

Of course if it's fake you don't do anything, or maybe even mess around a bit. But that doesn't make for a very interesting discussion, does it? Hardly profound.

BTW, I knew the video was fake because the video has a "DM Pranks" watermark and the "perp" pointed at the camera a couple of times.

But since you knew it was fake, why did you bring up the "couple playing rough" stuff?

I took the view of the people walking by. I discounted that it was a video. My reaction would have been live.

They could be playing, because, despite what the lady was saying, the man wasn't hurting her, or really restraining her. She could easily have just walked away.

But let's say that I couldn't tell it was fake. I would like to think that I would walk up, ask them what was going on. Ask the lady if she was in trouble. Maybe call the police.

But the truth is, I don't absolutely know for sure what I would do.
But jump the guy? No.

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Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

To me, it was obviously not real. Far more not real than professional wrestling.

Huh? What are you saying Claude? You mean to tell me pro wrestling isn't real!?

By the way, regarding the quote about foreplay. It reminded me of this scene from one of my favorite movies Barfly where Henry, being the do good type guy he was, intervened on his neighbor who was roughing up his lady:

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

What I am saying is open up your eyes and understand there can be circumstances that you and I can NEVER understand unless we are in that certain situation.

Who am I to judge?

Okay, fair game. I gave you instances in earlier Posts where a woman might continue to go back to an abusive boyfriend and even Marry them.. Did I not ?

i.e. Stockholm Syndrome, Psychopaths, brain washing, extreme denial, death threats against family which could cause delusion on her part among other things.

So lets hear some of your explanations of why this may be a situation where nothing should be done by someone like you or I if we saw a woman being treated like this???

( Use your sensibilities and put your Ego and your biases away that you obviously have towards me

Again I am not saying Everyone should jump in and help. I have not even said that once.

Look forward to your response

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Dan Riffle

12 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Look forward to your response

I already gave you one.

But:

What if she just stole his wallet?

What if she just shot his wife?

What if she's mentally ill and he's just trying to get her back to the hospital?

What if they consider this foreplay?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

I already gave you one.

But:

What if she just stole his wallet?

What if she just shot his wife?

What if she's mentally ill and he's just trying to get her back to the hospital?

What if they consider this foreplay?

Really ??? Uhmmm so let me see if I have this straight....

You are going to walk up on a man who clearly is over powering a female and you think "uhmmm this looks kind of bad but you know what she could have stole his wallet or he could have shot this man's wife so welI think I might pass on this one ".

Iam just asking whether you think this is a strong argument in this case. I am not saying you are wrong or right or bad or good .

Most of us would not help and rightfully so.

Just curious to see if there is a consensus o what people would do in this exact circumstance.. bad acting and all

Edit : Okay Riffle I see it now. You did reply what you would do.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Really ??? Uhmmm so let me see if I have this straight....

You are going to walk up on a man who clearly is over powering a female and you think "uhmmm this looks kind of bad but you know what she could have stole his wallet or he could have shot this man's wife so welI think I might pass on this one ".

Iam just asking whether you think this is a strong argument in this case. I am not saying you are wrong or right or bad or good .

Most of us would not help and rightfully so.

Just curious to see if there is a consensus o fwhat people would do in this exact circumstance.. bad acting and all

So, you see a woman clearly get violently knocked unconscious and she marries the guy two days later and say, hey, she could have Stockholm Syndrome?

I think you just might be getting my point.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

I already gave you one.

But:

What if she just stole his wallet?

What if she just shot his wife?

What if she's mentally ill and he's just trying to get her back to the hospital?

What if they consider this foreplay?

I know you're joking, but the foreplay thing would maybe have occurred to me. Again, he wasn't hurting her at all. And she could have easily walked away. I don't think I would instantly know it was being filmed, and that they were actors......but I could tell it wasn't real, by a huge margin.

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Kay King 12 years ago

OT threads are getting a bit silly. Almost daily it's "what would you do" or "what do you think". We don't know what's happening and it has nothing to do with us.

What's the point of saying anything about a short video of people we don't know in a situation we aren't familiar with?
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Gee, I wouldn't want to judge the situation. We don't know what caused the fight to happen.

What I am saying is open up your eyes and understand there can be circumstances that you and I can NEVER understand unless we are in that certain situation.

Who am I to judge?

I didn't watch the video, but I think I get what you are saying.
I lived with a girl years and years ago and dislocated her shoulder.
By just that statement you could conclude I was a violent person.
The whole story is she would start an argument with me and when she got really worked up, get physical.
The time I dislocated her shoulder I told her I was going out before I got angry. As I was walking out the door she yanked on my ponytail so hard I landed on my back on the floor. When I got up she swung at me. I grabbed her arm and threw her on the couch. That was how her shoulder dislocated.

If I came across a couple getting physical I think I would watch and see how it was playing out. If one or the other was in obvious fear for their life, then I would possibly step in to stop it.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

I didn't watch the video, but I think I get what you are saying.

Yes, true, but take what I'm saying here with a grain of salt. I was actually trying to prove a point regarding a different thread.

While you shouldn't rush to judgment, sometimes things just are what they are. In this case, a moment of pause is needed to see if the situation is real. To decide a woman is batshit crazy for marrying a man 48 hours after he beat the piss out of her doesn't take a great deal of mental gymnastics.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Yes, true, but take what I'm saying here with a grain of salt. I was actually trying to prove a point regarding a different thread.

While you shouldn't rush to judgment, sometimes things just are what they are. In this case, a moment of pause in needed to see if the situation is real. To decide a woman is batshit crazy for marrying a man 48 hours after he beat the piss out of her doesn't take a great deal of mental gymnastics.

Got ya. I wasn't thinking of the Rice thread, mainly because I haven't read any of it at all.

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12 years ago

I would stand there like the first intervener did. Make sure what's going on. Diffuse.
Intervene or call the cops if that became what's needed. Make a lot of noise to
attract the attention of others if I needed help.

The guy with the woman is lucky he did not run into some people I know with hotter heads
who would have started pounding on him and asked questions later.

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Edit: Kurt, I did not know you had posted while I was writing.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Yet again, you miss the point. I'm talking about a disparity in the application of judgment as part of the decision-making process. I'm not talking about "Oh, I'm better than you" judgmentalism.

I.

Oh yeah that statement was intended to be an independent one. I know it had nothing to do with the issue of how one uses judgement here and uses it there etc... It was meant to stand alone

Anyway, not emotional Dan.

Just trying to get people to think .

Automatically assuming what someone MUST think about a certain situation based on what they did or didn't say in the past can be a slippery slope to go down sometimes.

Iam not saying that it shouldn't be applied in any circumstance ( you make valid points) but I think when we pigeon hole someone by something they say in the past and automatically assume that this person will act that way in a given situation ...well it can be dangerous

Anyway, Iam outta here for the day

( btw, How the hell do we ( mostly me) get off on tangents like this anyway lol)

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

I would stand there like the first intervener did. Make sure what's going on. Diffuse.
Intervene or call the cops if that became what's needed. Make a lot of noise to
attract the attention of others if I needed help.

The guy with the woman is lucky he did not run into some people I know with hotter heads
who would have started pounding on him and asked questions later.

Dan

Edit: Kurt, I did not know you had posted while I was writing.

BTW Dan...I used to work the door at Mr. Lucky's. Not sure how old your are, but it was a pretty rough place.

I was actually 19 at the time, they never carded me when I applied for the job, so I was underage when I worked there.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

BTW Dan...I used to work the door at Mr. Lucky's. Not sure how old your are, but it was a pretty rough place.

I was actually 19 at the time, they never carded me when I applied for the job, so I was underage when I worked there.

A rough sandwich shop?

http://www.mrluckyssandwiches.com/

Seriously, I remember Mr. Lucky's. I was googling to see if it is still in business.
Very hard to be underage and work somewhere like that these I9, lawsuit, DUI laws,
and code filled days.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

A rough sandwich shop?

http://www.mrluckyssandwiches.com/

Seriously, I remember Mr. Lucky's. I was googling to see if it is still in business.
Very hard to be underage and work somewhere like that these I9, lawsuit, DUI laws,
and code filled days.

Dan

It's been out of business for decades. And times have changed a lot since those days. Mr. Lucky's was also unique that they let in 18 year old girls. They'd get a red stamp on their hand so they couldn't drink. Guys and gals over 21 would get a black stamp that showed they were old enough to drink.

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12 years ago

This thread does bring up a good survival tip. When in danger, NEVER yell "help" or "rape". Instead, you should yell "FIRE"!.

One, the fire department will arrive faster than any other emergency service.

Two, people are more willing to act and will act faster if they think there's a threat to them as well. "Fire" affects them directly. Your cry for help doesn't.

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12 years ago

I lived in a rough part of Denver. I heard some kid screaming and it sounded like he was really in trouble. Enough so that I went outside to see what was needed. It turns out that it was a group of kids playing.

Another time, I heard some scuffling sounds outside my apartment. The guy was trying to throw his girlfriend over the second floor railing. Just me being there made him set her down and run away.
Since then, I figure that most guys like that are cowards deep down. I hope so, cause I may have a situation now where the guy is a trophy winning MMA fighter.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

I lived in a rough part of Denver. I heard some kid screaming and it sounded like he was really in trouble. Enough so that I went outside to see what was needed. It turns out that it was a group of kids playing.

Another time, I heard some scuffling sounds outside my apartment. The guy was trying to throw his girlfriend over the second floor railing. Just me being there made him set her down and run away.
Since then, I figure that most guys like that are cowards deep down. I hope so, cause I may have a situation now where the guy is a trophy winning MMA fighter.

East High School for me. I grew up on Colfax. LOL

For those that don't know Colfax, it's 26 miles of "uniqueness". Playboy said Colfax is "the longest, wickedest street in America."

This thread reminds me of a game we'd play as kids called "Street Light Superman".

About 6-7 of us would get together just after sunset. When a car came by, we'd pretend to beat up one of us under a street light. The "victim" would pretend to be hurt, lying in the street, while the rest of us ran off and hid behind a bush and watched.

The car would almost always stop and ask if the kid was OK. The kid would jump up and yell "HELL YES I'M ALLRIGHT! I'M STREETLIGHT SUPERMAN!"

The rest of us would die laughing from our hiding spots.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

East High School for me. I grew up on Colfax. LOL

For those that don't know Colfax, it's 26 miles of "uniqueness". Playboy said Colfax is "the longest, wickedest street in America."

This thread reminds me of a game we'd play as kids called "Street Light Superman".

About 6-7 of us would get together just after sunset. When a car came by, we'd pretend to beat up one of us under a street light. The "victim" would pretend to be hurt, lying in the street, while the rest of us ran off and hid behind a bush and watched.

The car would almost always stop and ask if the kid was OK. The kid would jump up and yell "HELL YES I'M ALLRIGHT! I'M STREETLIGHT SUPERMAN!"

The rest of us would die laughing from our hiding spots.

Capitol Hill while I went to Metro - and then some. (Sounds strange to call it Metro State University. lol)
It was around the time of the golf club murders, if you recall those.

Streetlight Superman is much better than sucker punching strangers.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

Capitol Hill while I went to Metro - and then some. (Sounds strange to call it Metro State University. lol)
It was around the time of the golf club murders, if you recall those.

Streetlight Superman is much better than sucker punching strangers.

After East, I did a year at UCD, also at Auraria. I've lived in many places, but consider Captial Hill and Park Hill home.

The golf club stuff was the start of the street gangs, IIRC.

I remember a time when I lived in Capital Hill and "Crime Stoppers" comes on the TV. They were showing an apartment building where a murder had taken place.

I thought to myself, "Geez, that place looks familar."...then it dawned on me, that where I live!

Streetlight Superman was a harmless kids prank. I'm sure it's not funny to anyone reading this, but I'm litterally laughing out loud thinking about it. It was funny to us.

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12 years ago

Isn't the most sensible thing to do, is ask if everything is ok ... and then make a judgment
based on the actions / reply?

Seems silly to me to do anything else first, unless maybe a phone call to the police...
but even that would be premature. imo anyway.

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Banned 12 years ago

My apologies if this has been posted before. It's a horrific video but it shows how some people ignore the situation and/or do not come to the aid of one in need. This video is as appalling as it gets. You would think human nature and society has taught us better than what is shown in this video.

The death of little Wang Yue...

China: Child Run Over car and van No One Helps...

2-year-old-girl-hit by 2 trucks.flv - YouTube

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Wang_Yue

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by ForumGuru

My apologies if this has been posted before. It's a horrific video but it shows how some people ignore the situation and/or do not come to the aid of one in need. This video is as appalling as it gets. You would think human nature and society has taught us better than what is shown in this video.

The death of little Wang Yue...

China: Child Run Over car and van No One Helps shameful video - YouTube

2-year-old-girl-hit by 2 trucks.flv - YouTube

Death of Wang Yue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Don,
How dare you be so judgmental to actually accuse people of being cold and uncaring based on just a video alone.

Don, you could NEVER know. These people's contacts could have slipped up in their eye sockets rendering them unable to identify that it was a human child in their midst. Or better yet the kid could be one of those child psychopaths and actually just shot someone's wife or husband lol

You need to quit being so presumptuous , Don.... really

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Banned 12 years ago

I would probably ask the cameraman If he knew what time it was.

Obviously fake.

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Banned 12 years ago

How about this guy? Check these fleeing subway riders...

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Nobody stops to check on this dying (or already) dead guy that was hit by a car.

Bystanders Walk By Dead Accident Victim While...

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Banned 12 years ago

Check this experiment on the bystander effect....

This starts with a pickpocket, but quickly moves to a distressed person experiment right after you see drunk guy at the 2:30 mark. Make sure you see how many people initially walk by Ruth, and then Peter when he is "in pain".

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12 years ago

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HeySal

12 years ago

I find it shocking that people will just walk by another in distress. I definitely would have stopped to see what was up. As someone else pointed out, I didn't see anything really dangerous going down, but also the guy had a hold on her. I would have stopped to make sure it didn't go any further. She may have been taking swings at him before and he was holder her to keep her off him.

I've seen several videos like this one, some better than others, and it always shocks me to see people just walk on by as if nothing was going on. Let's us know how truly alone we all are, even in a crowd.

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